actually there is plenty of bandwidth left in hypertransport to pull it off. also each cpu gets its own bank of memory. the design is superior to all others for SMP. even AMD's man CPU man says that at infoworld
AMD's dual-core server processors will share a single memory controller, Weber said. This won't create a bottleneck because a server with two Opteron chips, and therefore two memory controllers, already has more than enough memory bandwidth required to run that system, he said.
"It's always a juggling act to add a little more processing and a little more memory. Right now, we have plenty of memory and I/O bandwidth, so we're adding processing," Weber said.
The dual-core chips will work with current socket technology in motherboards that are rated for the specifications of the dual-core chips, Weber said. A BIOS change will be required, but otherwise the chips will work in the same sockets as single-core Opterons, he said.
I'm fairly certain I like the style of my gaming box, my Shuttle SN85G4 with the black case and the mirrored front finish. That and I like the cost, and the fact that I can fit three of them in a PowerMac G5 case. Now what will be even cooler is when I can make that a dual core box, and not have to upgrade the cooling. Even better yet is when I get that Iwill dual Opteron small form factor in the Summer from those guys, and am able to write an upgrade story on it a year from now when I have dual core Opterons from AMD. Yeah, I will get to enjoy style, and power. Sweet, two patties!
Sure, if you are happier not only with liquid radiator cooling, and also having to have copper heatpipe cooling. That is right as I have discovered here Apple has had to implement not one, but two separate cooling solutions for their 2.5GHz PowerMac G5. What were you saying again? You do realize don't you that you will be able to swap out a single core dual Opteron system with two dual core CPUs and have Quad CPU power don't you? And that makes the G5 an advantage how?
you can find them all here. It seems news has gotten around, and that AMD's dual core will consume just about as much power as a single core CPU at 90nm.
Interesting story Chronicle, but the old editor Lewis Black has them a few years behind the times, plus he is one of the bigger jerks in town. Austin has been a wifi hotspot for years. The Chronicle needs to stick at making stuff up about George Bush, that is what they are good at.
Why have you ignored the 240, and 242? You also seem to have ignored Newegg, and you have gone with some stupidly high case and power supply combo when you can get a top end case with the same power supply for not much more than $100. $192 for the 240, and 242 for $223. Newegg has free Fedex 3 day shipping. You can easily knock that price down several hundred dollars.
You see with Apple you get one once choice a year, with the PC you get as many choices as you please. Not only that you get Cool and Quiet, virus protection, 64 bit now, and thousands of more applications. With the Apple however you do get to keep your elitist qualities like you are in Hollywood or something. Long live the elites! And then if you are a gamer, forget about it.
No, it isn't missing that much functionality, and it has additional functionality that the Airport does not have, plus it is from a good company, Asus, and will be supported well for years. Expect many, many firmware updates, and of course it costs 1/2 the price. How many slashdotters actually use itunes? I brought the 330 to a couple of the Austin wireless meetings and it was a hit.
Asus gave me one of these back at CES in February. They have a G version now. You can buy it for $60.
I've used it as a bridge, AP, and adapter. I'm currently using it as an adapter for my Vonage VOIP box. I could just as easily be using it to make my printer networkable, or my Xbox, or anything with a USB or Ethernet port. It also has dual antennas. I think I would take two of these to one Airport. Plus Asus makes much better products than Apple does. They actual design them and manufacture them, and they always make sure you can upgrade. They put out more bios updates than anyone. If you don't believe me check their German ftp. ftp.asuscom.de I've been an Asus believe since the Socket 7 based P5A motherboard, and I'm happy to see them become one of the leaders in computer products. They outshine everyone, including Dull and Apple. Those two companies are a bore in comparison.
Geez, yeah, my mirror finish front Athlon 64 small form factor from Shuttle is real ugly. And man, I can only fit three of them in the same space as a G5 PowerMac. Better yet, I can build each one under $1,000 each, and run several 64 bit and 32 bit OSs on them. But that is ugly. My X800 Pro and Farcry looks so ugly.
That is too bad that there is no 64 bit OS for the G5. So I would guess that means it is not a feasible 64 bit platform then is it? Not only is it the 3rd 64 bit workstation released, it has the worst marketshare.
Yeah, thank god for Linux, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD 64 bit. But wait, your a Mac cultist, you are unaware of things that Jobs doesn't brainwash you on. Why I've got Mandrake 64, Win XP, and Win XP 64 on my laptop right now. Sweet.
Thank you Tom's Hardware for misleading everyone in the world who can't do their own research that AMD CPUs run hot. Good job guys. I tire of these posts about heat. They are ridiculous. Guess what everyone, I have an eMachines M6805 that I'm typing on right now. It is an Athlon 64 laptop, and it is on my lap, and it is not running hot. The current Athlon 64 desktop replacement chip is nearly identical in thermal properties to the Opteron, Athlon 64, and Athlon 64 FX. If I can have it on my lap, and not run hot, then I don't see a problem putting two in a lot more space that a small form factor provides. Anyone who still thinks it will run hot head to your local Best Buy and put your hand below this laptop. You will not suffer from 3rd degree burns.
No, you do not understand. I'm talking about pricing for the lower power version of Opteron. The 30 watt version of the 240 is $690. There are no higher speed grades of it available. 1.4GHz is all you get.
No, the cheapest Opterons are the 240s, and those alone would almost equal $499. I believe Iwill would prefer making a profit to losing a few hundred dollars a box.:)
So what we are seeing here is two Opterons can equal one Prescott in power dissapation. Talking to Iwill I don't think we will see many put high priced low power Opterons in them. That would be cool, but they are really priced out of the workstation market. They are server chips all the way unless AMD makes them more affordable.
Sorry, but I couldn't resist.:) Where are those 2.4GHz PowerMac G5 boxes again? Remember in a year after PowerMac G5 launch there were going to be at 3GHz. Wait a minute, pesky IBM yield problems.
Yeah, but it is going to be hard because that means you need to use the AMD PCI-X HyperTransport chip which will take up more board real estate. That same chip handle PCI-X functions in the G5 PowerMac by the way. You won't find Apple telling anyone that though.
No, they use the same amount of power unless they are the lower power version of the Opteron. A quality 300 watt power supply can certainly handle to Opterons. You see that in servers all the time. If a 200 watt in a Shuttle or Biostar Athlon 64 small form factor can handle it, then 100 more watts, which is more than an Opteron draws is more than adequate to power a 2nd CPU.
Up until now the Athlon 64 FX and Opteron are identical. That will change eventually. No, the Athlon 64 FX is not SMP capable. It just has the clock multiplier unlocked.
There is not chipset to memory link. All memory will flow through the processor hypertransport links. The question is will Iwill design it so it can take advantage of NUMA. Will each CPU have its own bank of memory? No telling yet. I'll try and find out more details from them.
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actually there is plenty of bandwidth left in hypertransport to pull it off. also each cpu gets its own bank of memory. the design is superior to all others for SMP. even AMD's man CPU man says that at infoworld
AMD's dual-core server processors will share a single memory controller, Weber said. This won't create a bottleneck because a server with two Opteron chips, and therefore two memory controllers, already has more than enough memory bandwidth required to run that system, he said.
"It's always a juggling act to add a little more processing and a little more memory. Right now, we have plenty of memory and I/O bandwidth, so we're adding processing," Weber said.
The dual-core chips will work with current socket technology in motherboards that are rated for the specifications of the dual-core chips, Weber said. A BIOS change will be required, but otherwise the chips will work in the same sockets as single-core Opterons, he said.
I'm fairly certain I like the style of my gaming box, my Shuttle SN85G4 with the black case and the mirrored front finish. That and I like the cost, and the fact that I can fit three of them in a PowerMac G5 case. Now what will be even cooler is when I can make that a dual core box, and not have to upgrade the cooling. Even better yet is when I get that Iwill dual Opteron small form factor in the Summer from those guys, and am able to write an upgrade story on it a year from now when I have dual core Opterons from AMD. Yeah, I will get to enjoy style, and power. Sweet, two patties!
Sure, if you are happier not only with liquid radiator cooling, and also having to have copper heatpipe cooling. That is right as I have discovered here Apple has had to implement not one, but two separate cooling solutions for their 2.5GHz PowerMac G5. What were you saying again? You do realize don't you that you will be able to swap out a single core dual Opteron system with two dual core CPUs and have Quad CPU power don't you? And that makes the G5 an advantage how?
you can find them all here. It seems news has gotten around, and that AMD's dual core will consume just about as much power as a single core CPU at 90nm.
Interesting story Chronicle, but the old editor Lewis Black has them a few years behind the times, plus he is one of the bigger jerks in town. Austin has been a wifi hotspot for years. The Chronicle needs to stick at making stuff up about George Bush, that is what they are good at.
Why have you ignored the 240, and 242? You also seem to have ignored Newegg, and you have gone with some stupidly high case and power supply combo when you can get a top end case with the same power supply for not much more than $100. $192 for the 240, and 242 for $223. Newegg has free Fedex 3 day shipping. You can easily knock that price down several hundred dollars.
You see with Apple you get one once choice a year, with the PC you get as many choices as you please. Not only that you get Cool and Quiet, virus protection, 64 bit now, and thousands of more applications. With the Apple however you do get to keep your elitist qualities like you are in Hollywood or something. Long live the elites! And then if you are a gamer, forget about it.
No, it isn't missing that much functionality, and it has additional functionality that the Airport does not have, plus it is from a good company, Asus, and will be supported well for years. Expect many, many firmware updates, and of course it costs 1/2 the price. How many slashdotters actually use itunes? I brought the 330 to a couple of the Austin wireless meetings and it was a hit.
Correction.
Asus WL-330.
Asus gave me one of these back at CES in February. They have a G version now. You can buy it for $60.
I've used it as a bridge, AP, and adapter. I'm currently using it as an adapter for my Vonage VOIP box. I could just as easily be using it to make my printer networkable, or my Xbox, or anything with a USB or Ethernet port. It also has dual antennas. I think I would take two of these to one Airport. Plus Asus makes much better products than Apple does. They actual design them and manufacture them, and they always make sure you can upgrade. They put out more bios updates than anyone. If you don't believe me check their German ftp. ftp.asuscom.de I've been an Asus believe since the Socket 7 based P5A motherboard, and I'm happy to see them become one of the leaders in computer products. They outshine everyone, including Dull and Apple. Those two companies are a bore in comparison.
Geez, yeah, my mirror finish front Athlon 64 small form factor from Shuttle is real ugly. And man, I can only fit three of them in the same space as a G5 PowerMac. Better yet, I can build each one under $1,000 each, and run several 64 bit and 32 bit OSs on them. But that is ugly. My X800 Pro and Farcry looks so ugly.
That is too bad that there is no 64 bit OS for the G5. So I would guess that means it is not a feasible 64 bit platform then is it? Not only is it the 3rd 64 bit workstation released, it has the worst marketshare.
There has not been a chipset made in years that supports only AGP 1X. There is no Opteron chipset that supports less than 8X.
Pricing is based against Intel CPUs, not their own. Actually if you read AMDZone you would have seen where you can buy the 150 for $512.
Sure, in those common cases where your heatsink falls off your motherboard. Man, happens to me 6 or 7 times a day.
Yeah, thank god for Linux, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD 64 bit. But wait, your a Mac cultist, you are unaware of things that Jobs doesn't brainwash you on. Why I've got Mandrake 64, Win XP, and Win XP 64 on my laptop right now. Sweet.
With the clock multiplier unlocked. Overpriced compared to a P4EE?
I already have. I have a laptop on my lap, not a radar gun catching speeders. Knowledge will set you free.
Thank you Tom's Hardware for misleading everyone in the world who can't do their own research that AMD CPUs run hot. Good job guys. I tire of these posts about heat. They are ridiculous. Guess what everyone, I have an eMachines M6805 that I'm typing on right now. It is an Athlon 64 laptop, and it is on my lap, and it is not running hot. The current Athlon 64 desktop replacement chip is nearly identical in thermal properties to the Opteron, Athlon 64, and Athlon 64 FX. If I can have it on my lap, and not run hot, then I don't see a problem putting two in a lot more space that a small form factor provides. Anyone who still thinks it will run hot head to your local Best Buy and put your hand below this laptop. You will not suffer from 3rd degree burns.
No, you do not understand. I'm talking about pricing for the lower power version of Opteron. The 30 watt version of the 240 is $690. There are no higher speed grades of it available. 1.4GHz is all you get.
No, the cheapest Opterons are the 240s, and those alone would almost equal $499. I believe Iwill would prefer making a profit to losing a few hundred dollars a box. :)
So what we are seeing here is two Opterons can equal one Prescott in power dissapation. Talking to Iwill I don't think we will see many put high priced low power Opterons in them. That would be cool, but they are really priced out of the workstation market. They are server chips all the way unless AMD makes them more affordable.
viva la %2 marketshare! Don't buy a mac.
:) Where are those 2.4GHz PowerMac G5 boxes again? Remember in a year after PowerMac G5 launch there were going to be at 3GHz. Wait a minute, pesky IBM yield problems.
Sorry, but I couldn't resist.
Yeah, but it is going to be hard because that means you need to use the AMD PCI-X HyperTransport chip which will take up more board real estate. That same chip handle PCI-X functions in the G5 PowerMac by the way. You won't find Apple telling anyone that though.
No, they use the same amount of power unless they are the lower power version of the Opteron. A quality 300 watt power supply can certainly handle to Opterons. You see that in servers all the time. If a 200 watt in a Shuttle or Biostar Athlon 64 small form factor can handle it, then 100 more watts, which is more than an Opteron draws is more than adequate to power a 2nd CPU.
Up until now the Athlon 64 FX and Opteron are identical. That will change eventually. No, the Athlon 64 FX is not SMP capable. It just has the clock multiplier unlocked.
There is not chipset to memory link. All memory will flow through the processor hypertransport links. The question is will Iwill design it so it can take advantage of NUMA. Will each CPU have its own bank of memory? No telling yet. I'll try and find out more details from them.