64 bit linux drivers have been out for the nforce 3 since last year. You can grab them here. Opteron 250's official AMD pricing is $851. Street pricing is near $1,000 only because availability is still low. As more vendors pick them up they will drop considerably.
That's funny because it shows 4 DIMMs, which presently means you could put 8GB of memory, 4GB if there end up to be only two in the final design. Yeah, also you can put an AGP 8X Radeon X800. Or even a FireGL. Aren't those fast video cards? Wait, there is more. RAID, in fact two Raptors in RAID 0 sounds good to me thanks to two hard drive bays. Not to mention the driver level Firewall and enhanced remote management capabilities of the nForcer 3 250 Gigabit ethernet. Yeah, come to think of it who would want that in a workstation. I mean you could put in two 2.4GHz Opteron 250s. That is over kill. Heck, for that kind of money you could buy half of a PowerMac G5 dual 2.0GHz box. And the cool thing about the PowerMac is that it is three times larger!!!! Sweet!!!
Because there are two Opterons in it. I was talking to Iwill about it today. Yes, single chip solution as in the nForce 3 chipset, as is common knowledge, integrates northbridge and southbridge functions into one chip which reduces latency, and improves performance. Single chipset, two CPUs, less valuable PCB space since no separate southbridge is required, less traces required, easier to make a smaller design. nforce 3 info.
They haven't released dimensions yet. Also you can put 4 Opterons in a 1U server, so why not two in a small form factor? Remember there are also low power variant Opterons. With some good ventilation it could put the PowerMac G5 to shame, and amazingly still cost much less.
Perhaps you have heard of Best Buy? They routinely put it on sale with rebates to make it $1299. That is where I got mine back in Feb. Where is that 64 bit Apple laptop again? I'll put this emachines head to head with any mac laptop out there, and it is superior. Yeah, DVD burner, firewire, 15.4 inch widescreen, and microdrive/memory readers built in. That is right kids. I can copy things to my 1GB microdrive, then pull it out and slap it into my athlon 64 small form factor from Shuttle which also has the memory readers. Quite a combo those two are. Guess what? Both of those together cost less than the 15" powerbook.
6.6 lbs, 3 hours of battery life, and I easily use it on my lap. You see the Athlon 64 runs cooler. It is called silicon on insulator. SOI, look it up. Oh, and thanks for modding me down. The one educated post in this thread from someone who knows computer hardware gets taken from three to 1. Buffoons.
Exactly the kind of responses that I would expect from zealots who don't know hardware from software. Apple does both, although they should split into separate companies. One for hardware, one for software. Gaming is now bigger than movies. Do some research. 6.6 lbs. I'm no weakling, I can carry it around fine. Yeah, there are plenty of things 64 bit can do, like the 64 bit Freebsd dual Opteron server I'm running part of AMDZone.com on. That is real business. I would hope future posts my include some hints that any of you have anything to do with hardware. Just to piss you guys off I'm going to load BEOS on this sucker and post a screenshot.
I sort of laugh at Appledot these days. I mean a $1,299 eMachines Athlon 64 laptop with widescreen and Radeon 9600 video is ignored, but a laptop three times the cost that is not as feature rich or powerful not only has to be mentioned in rumor, and then again when it is announced. How about mentioning the new 4 way Opteron HP server just announced, or eMachines fine laptops? I'm XP, XP 64, Mandrake 64, and FreeBSD 64, and I can cluster three of them for the price of one of the Apples!! Heck, even Compaq has an Athlon 64 notebook for $1,299 in Best Buy now, but people are drooling over a small speed bump from Apple? I don't get it. Anyway, I think I'll buy a 7200 RPM Apricorn drive, swap out my 3000+ for an Athlon 64 3400+, and upgrade to a GB of memory and load levels faster in UT2004, Farcry, and Battlefield Vietnam. After those upgrades the cost will be closer to the Powerbook in cost except that I get to Ebay the parts I replace, and I get to enjoy 2.2GHz of 64 bit power! You see you can upgrade the Athlon 64 laptops yourself. Can you do that with a Mac, or a Dell for that matter? Nope.
It was RAID 10, the failure was of coldfusion, not a drive. Far most important those 99.999% of them out there. Doesn't slashdot have downtime from time to time? Now that are fully back on Freebsd don't expect any more. Like I've always said, BEOS and Powercomputing were making Apple a force. Jobs killed that, and it is true, AMD chips are in those products. Seems like you have a blind hate of the truth. That is really weird IMO.
Even funnier is the AMD PCI-X HyperTransport bridge chip inside the PowerMac G5s, and that 802.11 wireless chip from AMD inside the Airport. Don't Apple users actually open what they buy to see what chips are in it?
used the same cooler on both processors, a unit certified by Intel for use with Prescott. I tried to keep room temperatures reasonably steady during my tests, but this wasn't exactly an ideal temperature-controlled test environment, so don't take the following as gospel. Under load, the Northwood P4 3.4GHz hit temperatures of 64 degrees C (148 degrees Fahreneheit). In the same conditions, the Prescott raced past Northwood's peak temperature on its way to a steady peak of 78 degrees C (or 173 degrees Fahrenheit).
That, folks, is hot. And this was inside a computer case lying on its side with the side panel removed so the top was open. Things could get much warmer closed up inside a poorly designed case.
I'd have loved to do some overclocking with our 3.4GHz Prescott, but after seeing those heat numbers, I believe I'll wait until I can pick up a beefier cooler to use with this thing.
You should have called me. Not only am I from Austin, I live in Austin, I've been in the wireless group for coming up on two years, and I've run AMDZone for almost 6. Put me on the contact list next time. No one else can get info from the group, AMD, and the locations face to face.
Hey, didn't I post news about this at AMDZone a month ago?:) Here is an e-mail I got back on the list after making note of it. Our meeting is tonight. I contacted AMD, and have not heard more from them yet.
If I catch em I will Hit em with whatever is handy or my fists which are deadly weepons.
That just sucks.
*******8 wrote:
>It is a scam; the AMD guy has been going by my Hotspots and "dropping >off" or just sticking the stickers up. It really pisses me off. AFAIK >they have no hotspots of their own, they are just stealing others >thunder. If the person dropping off these stickers monitors this list, >I highly recommend you stop. If I catch you, I will sue you. I like >AMD, and I hope this is not a corporate policy, just a misguided >marketer. > >Z > >-----Original Message----- >From: Chris Tom [mailto:christomscrewyouspambots@screwyouspambotsa lumni.utexas.net] >Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:25 AM >To: austinwirelessscrewyouspambots@spamlists.marlabs.c om >Subject: [AWN] Free AMD WiFi? > >Hey guys, > >I ate at the Far West El Arroyo last night, and they now have AMD >branded WiFi. I've not heard of such a program from AMD before, and I >know that location has had WiFi in the past. Has anyone else seen >these around? There were a couple of official AMD signs posted up. I >was at the 5th Street location last week and I didn't see any >indication of AMD being involved with their connection. > >Thanks, > >Chris Tom >AMDZone.com >TXGF.com >Austinbands.net > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.594 / Virus Database: 377 - Release Date: 2/24/2004 > > > > > >
You seem have to forgotten Sun's new line of Opteron based servers. That is listening to customers. Sun uses plenty of CPUs from AMD and Intel. Why use the G5 when you have Opteron which means you don't have to port at all? Apple still doesn't have a real 64 bit OS. How many years till that comes? Apple lied repeatedly about G5 performance. How do you think IBM likes that?
http://www.sun.com/servers/blades/
http://www.sun.com/servers/computegrid/
Wow, dual Opteron and Red Hat or SuSE. Sun really needs the G5 which Apple "designed".
AMD is the company primarily battling Intel. Intel is not big iron. Itanium is a failure. Opteron is a success, and that is why Sun, IBM, HP, and plenty of smaller server vendors are using it.
Opteron saves Sun's ass while eating some of their SPARC server sales, but that is necessary for them to survive much in the same way Apple had to switch from Moto to IBM for CPUs to survive. Funny that despite how different they are, both are now forced to switch CPUs to save themselves. And these CPUs happen to both possibly come out of IBM's Fishkill fab.
Regardless Apple is stuck in 2% marketshareland forever unless they bring back clones and/or release an x86 version of OSX. Jobs decision to kill clones and not use BEOS caused this downfall. If not we could today see Powercomputing and Dell fighting for top marketshare spots in a Williamson County battle for land to put new offices up, and Apple really being relavent in current OS marketshare instead of now being unable to push anything in the industry than what the next Ipod clone might look like, or causing a few Asian case manufacturers to try and make a PC case look a like for girls and metrosexuals to enjoy.
They were not ION Storm Dallas, they actually had some good games to afford a nice place, and I'm sure that would buy an apartment in San Fran maybe. I remember back in the day going over there trying to get a game testing job during college. It was a hard gig to get. Yeah, I remember shortly after EA bought them I was at Hula Hut on Lake Austin at the bar, and some guy with an EA shirt was there. It was after conversation that I figured Origin was screwed, and well, they are. It is a sad. No more Richard Garriot crazy ass haunted houses, no more Ultima. Oh well, Garriots stuff at the Game Conference over the summer was sweet looking. Where the hell is Robers after Wing Commander the prequel to Scooby Doo?
Perhaps this would be funny if it was anyway true. G4 and P4 laptops generate far more heat than Athlon 64 laptops. And well, also Athlon 64 laptops have not just hit the market, they have been available for several months. This is only the first on available from a Tier 1 vendor, and also in Best Buy. Not to mention it was not CNet/ZDNet that broke this news. It was www.AMDZone.com.
Guys we have all the reviews listed on our main page, and I'm adding more as they come in. It currently totals at 19. Does Hothardware pay Slashdot for these links?;)
Yeah, this news is two weeks old, and these benchmarks are meaningless when someone not qualified to do benchmarks is at the helm. They have already completely redone their gaming benchmarks, and had them pulled for a time. Here is what I posted about this two weeks ago when it was news. Thanks to Slashdot someone who is not qualified to comment on computer performance is now getting an audience as if they are when Ace's Hardware or Tech Report should be the ones doing it.
Pointless G5 vs Opteron Benchmarks Tue Dec 16, 08:21:40 AM
Author: Chris Tom
Barefeats is at it again. This time they compare a dual XI Opteron 246 against a dual 2GHZ G5 PowerMac. They do not get performance equal to my 246 tests. They do not acknowledge the Opteron 248. They do not give out full system specs. They do not realize beta Windows XP 64 for AMD64 has been out for months. They continue to have no idea how going from 128mb of video memory to 256mb changes gaming performance, and can not fathom that the integrated memory controller is the real reason that the games and other 3D marks are much higher. I mean come on, more video memory is going to make Quake 3 Arena faster? They also does not run SMP Quake 3 Arena. Barefeats is in no way qualified to run or comment on any benchmarks as they have demonstrated almost no knowledge of CPU or video card hardware. Do not take any of their numbers seriously. Their Cinebench marks are not as high as mine, and I worry that will also be the case with the other marks. Scott at Tech Report had told me he was trying to get a dual 2GHz G5 box to test, but of course Apple does not have the guts to let a real hardware site test one of their boxes.
You seem to be under the incorrection assumption that I or anyone values your opinion not based on FAQs. We don't. Do some research then come back and post again when you are ready. And everyone other x86 clone didn't do that? So AMD copied x86-64, HyperTransport, 3DNow!, and copied Intel by working closely with memory, chipset, and motherboard makers? They copied them by not forcing standards down their throats? Hello, Rambus, and a new socket every quarter, and the blessed ia64. Show me where AMD has copied Intel since Athlon came out. I'd like to see it. That was over 4 years ago. Have we just started reading Slashdot? link
Oh, the stock has gone up just a bit this year as well.
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64 bit linux drivers have been out for the nforce 3 since last year. You can grab them here. Opteron 250's official AMD pricing is $851. Street pricing is near $1,000 only because availability is still low. As more vendors pick them up they will drop considerably.
Probably not a good product? Isn't that complete speculation? Why not wait for them to reveal more details at Computex in a week?
That's funny because it shows 4 DIMMs, which presently means you could put 8GB of memory, 4GB if there end up to be only two in the final design. Yeah, also you can put an AGP 8X Radeon X800. Or even a FireGL. Aren't those fast video cards? Wait, there is more. RAID, in fact two Raptors in RAID 0 sounds good to me thanks to two hard drive bays. Not to mention the driver level Firewall and enhanced remote management capabilities of the nForcer 3 250 Gigabit ethernet. Yeah, come to think of it who would want that in a workstation. I mean you could put in two 2.4GHz Opteron 250s. That is over kill. Heck, for that kind of money you could buy half of a PowerMac G5 dual 2.0GHz box. And the cool thing about the PowerMac is that it is three times larger!!!! Sweet!!!
Yeah, why would anyone want anything smaller? I miss my 1982 VCR that doubled for a coffee table.
Opterons don't generate massive amounts of heat. You are either thinking of Prescott or G4 laptops.
Because there are two Opterons in it. I was talking to Iwill about it today. Yes, single chip solution as in the nForce 3 chipset, as is common knowledge, integrates northbridge and southbridge functions into one chip which reduces latency, and improves performance. Single chipset, two CPUs, less valuable PCB space since no separate southbridge is required, less traces required, easier to make a smaller design. nforce 3 info.
They haven't released dimensions yet. Also you can put 4 Opterons in a 1U server, so why not two in a small form factor? Remember there are also low power variant Opterons. With some good ventilation it could put the PowerMac G5 to shame, and amazingly still cost much less.
hahahahahahhahaah, keep wasting your money. Does the G4 have 64 bit? Integrated memory controller? HyperTransport?
Perhaps you have heard of Best Buy? They routinely put it on sale with rebates to make it $1299. That is where I got mine back in Feb. Where is that 64 bit Apple laptop again? I'll put this emachines head to head with any mac laptop out there, and it is superior. Yeah, DVD burner, firewire, 15.4 inch widescreen, and microdrive/memory readers built in. That is right kids. I can copy things to my 1GB microdrive, then pull it out and slap it into my athlon 64 small form factor from Shuttle which also has the memory readers. Quite a combo those two are. Guess what? Both of those together cost less than the 15" powerbook.
6.6 lbs, 3 hours of battery life, and I easily use it on my lap. You see the Athlon 64 runs cooler. It is called silicon on insulator. SOI, look it up. Oh, and thanks for modding me down. The one educated post in this thread from someone who knows computer hardware gets taken from three to 1. Buffoons.
Exactly the kind of responses that I would expect from zealots who don't know hardware from software. Apple does both, although they should split into separate companies. One for hardware, one for software. Gaming is now bigger than movies. Do some research. 6.6 lbs. I'm no weakling, I can carry it around fine. Yeah, there are plenty of things 64 bit can do, like the 64 bit Freebsd dual Opteron server I'm running part of AMDZone.com on. That is real business. I would hope future posts my include some hints that any of you have anything to do with hardware. Just to piss you guys off I'm going to load BEOS on this sucker and post a screenshot.
I sort of laugh at Appledot these days. I mean a $1,299 eMachines Athlon 64 laptop with widescreen and Radeon 9600 video is ignored, but a laptop three times the cost that is not as feature rich or powerful not only has to be mentioned in rumor, and then again when it is announced. How about mentioning the new 4 way Opteron HP server just announced, or eMachines fine laptops? I'm XP, XP 64, Mandrake 64, and FreeBSD 64, and I can cluster three of them for the price of one of the Apples!! Heck, even Compaq has an Athlon 64 notebook for $1,299 in Best Buy now, but people are drooling over a small speed bump from Apple? I don't get it. Anyway, I think I'll buy a 7200 RPM Apricorn drive, swap out my 3000+ for an Athlon 64 3400+, and upgrade to a GB of memory and load levels faster in UT2004, Farcry, and Battlefield Vietnam. After those upgrades the cost will be closer to the Powerbook in cost except that I get to Ebay the parts I replace, and I get to enjoy 2.2GHz of 64 bit power! You see you can upgrade the Athlon 64 laptops yourself. Can you do that with a Mac, or a Dell for that matter? Nope.
It was RAID 10, the failure was of coldfusion, not a drive. Far most important those 99.999% of them out there. Doesn't slashdot have downtime from time to time? Now that are fully back on Freebsd don't expect any more. Like I've always said, BEOS and Powercomputing were making Apple a force. Jobs killed that, and it is true, AMD chips are in those products. Seems like you have a blind hate of the truth. That is really weird IMO.
Even funnier is the AMD PCI-X HyperTransport bridge chip inside the PowerMac G5s, and that 802.11 wireless chip from AMD inside the Airport. Don't Apple users actually open what they buy to see what chips are in it?
Wow, you don't get it to do you? But you are brave enough to post anonymously. I guess people won't listen to you.
If you actually read slashdot you would realize that in fact it is Intel's CPUs that almost cause things to catch fire.
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used the same cooler on both processors, a unit certified by Intel for use with Prescott. I tried to keep room temperatures reasonably steady during my tests, but this wasn't exactly an ideal temperature-controlled test environment, so don't take the following as gospel.
Under load, the Northwood P4 3.4GHz hit temperatures of 64 degrees C (148 degrees Fahreneheit). In the same conditions, the Prescott raced past Northwood's peak temperature on its way to a steady peak of 78 degrees C (or 173 degrees Fahrenheit).
That, folks, is hot. And this was inside a computer case lying on its side with the side panel removed so the top was open. Things could get much warmer closed up inside a poorly designed case.
I'd have loved to do some overclocking with our 3.4GHz Prescott, but after seeing those heat numbers, I believe I'll wait until I can pick up a beefier cooler to use with this thing.
You should have called me. Not only am I from Austin, I live in Austin, I've been in the wireless group for coming up on two years, and I've run AMDZone for almost 6. Put me on the contact list next time. No one else can get info from the group, AMD, and the locations face to face.
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*******8 wrote:
>It is a scam; the AMD guy has been going by my Hotspots and "dropping
>off" or just sticking the stickers up. It really pisses me off. AFAIK
>they have no hotspots of their own, they are just stealing others
>thunder. If the person dropping off these stickers monitors this list,
>I highly recommend you stop. If I catch you, I will sue you. I like
>AMD, and I hope this is not a corporate policy, just a misguided
>marketer.
>
>Z
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chris Tom [mailto:christomscrewyouspambots@screwyouspambots
>Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 10:25 AM
>To: austinwirelessscrewyouspambots@spamlists.marlabs.
>Subject: [AWN] Free AMD WiFi?
>
>Hey guys,
>
>I ate at the Far West El Arroyo last night, and they now have AMD
>branded WiFi. I've not heard of such a program from AMD before, and I
>know that location has had WiFi in the past. Has anyone else seen
>these around? There were a couple of official AMD signs posted up. I
>was at the 5th Street location last week and I didn't see any
>indication of AMD being involved with their connection.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Chris Tom
>AMDZone.com
>TXGF.com
>Austinbands.net
>
>
>
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>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
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You seem have to forgotten Sun's new line of Opteron based servers. That is listening to customers. Sun uses plenty of CPUs from AMD and Intel. Why use the G5 when you have Opteron which means you don't have to port at all? Apple still doesn't have a real 64 bit OS. How many years till that comes? Apple lied repeatedly about G5 performance. How do you think IBM likes that?
http://www.sun.com/servers/blades/
http://www.sun.com/servers/computegrid/
Wow, dual Opteron and Red Hat or SuSE. Sun really needs the G5 which Apple "designed".
AMD is the company primarily battling Intel. Intel is not big iron. Itanium is a failure. Opteron is a success, and that is why Sun, IBM, HP, and plenty of smaller server vendors are using it.
Opteron saves Sun's ass while eating some of their SPARC server sales, but that is necessary for them to survive much in the same way Apple had to switch from Moto to IBM for CPUs to survive. Funny that despite how different they are, both are now forced to switch CPUs to save themselves. And these CPUs happen to both possibly come out of IBM's Fishkill fab.
Regardless Apple is stuck in 2% marketshareland forever unless they bring back clones and/or release an x86 version of OSX. Jobs decision to kill clones and not use BEOS caused this downfall. If not we could today see Powercomputing and Dell fighting for top marketshare spots in a Williamson County battle for land to put new offices up, and Apple really being relavent in current OS marketshare instead of now being unable to push anything in the industry than what the next Ipod clone might look like, or causing a few Asian case manufacturers to try and make a PC case look a like for girls and metrosexuals to enjoy.
They were not ION Storm Dallas, they actually had some good games to afford a nice place, and I'm sure that would buy an apartment in San Fran maybe. I remember back in the day going over there trying to get a game testing job during college. It was a hard gig to get. Yeah, I remember shortly after EA bought them I was at Hula Hut on Lake Austin at the bar, and some guy with an EA shirt was there. It was after conversation that I figured Origin was screwed, and well, they are. It is a sad. No more Richard Garriot crazy ass haunted houses, no more Ultima. Oh well, Garriots stuff at the Game Conference over the summer was sweet looking. Where the hell is Robers after Wing Commander the prequel to Scooby Doo?
Perhaps this would be funny if it was anyway true. G4 and P4 laptops generate far more heat than Athlon 64 laptops. And well, also Athlon 64 laptops have not just hit the market, they have been available for several months. This is only the first on available from a Tier 1 vendor, and also in Best Buy. Not to mention it was not CNet/ZDNet that broke this news. It was www.AMDZone.com.
Guys we have all the reviews listed on our main page, and I'm adding more as they come in. It currently totals at 19. Does Hothardware pay Slashdot for these links? ;)
All the more reason to move to Texas I say. This is the most ridiculous law I've seen related to computers in some time. Good job Cali!
Yeah, this news is two weeks old, and these benchmarks are meaningless when someone not qualified to do benchmarks is at the helm. They have already completely redone their gaming benchmarks, and had them pulled for a time. Here is what I posted about this two weeks ago when it was news. Thanks to Slashdot someone who is not qualified to comment on computer performance is now getting an audience as if they are when Ace's Hardware or Tech Report should be the ones doing it.
Pointless G5 vs Opteron Benchmarks Tue Dec 16, 08:21:40 AM
Author: Chris Tom
Barefeats is at it again. This time they compare a dual XI Opteron 246 against a dual 2GHZ G5 PowerMac. They do not get performance equal to my 246 tests. They do not acknowledge the Opteron 248. They do not give out full system specs. They do not realize beta Windows XP 64 for AMD64 has been out for months. They continue to have no idea how going from 128mb of video memory to 256mb changes gaming performance, and can not fathom that the integrated memory controller is the real reason that the games and other 3D marks are much higher. I mean come on, more video memory is going to make Quake 3 Arena faster? They also does not run SMP Quake 3 Arena. Barefeats is in no way qualified to run or comment on any benchmarks as they have demonstrated almost no knowledge of CPU or video card hardware. Do not take any of their numbers seriously. Their Cinebench marks are not as high as mine, and I worry that will also be the case with the other marks. Scott at Tech Report had told me he was trying to get a dual 2GHz G5 box to test, but of course Apple does not have the guts to let a real hardware site test one of their boxes.
You seem to be under the incorrection assumption that I or anyone values your opinion not based on FAQs. We don't. Do some research then come back and post again when you are ready. And everyone other x86 clone didn't do that? So AMD copied x86-64, HyperTransport, 3DNow!, and copied Intel by working closely with memory, chipset, and motherboard makers? They copied them by not forcing standards down their throats? Hello, Rambus, and a new socket every quarter, and the blessed ia64. Show me where AMD has copied Intel since Athlon came out. I'd like to see it. That was over 4 years ago. Have we just started reading Slashdot?
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Oh, the stock has gone up just a bit this year as well.