Its simple bring all distro's under Europe wing and see if MS can be a bully then. We all know how Europe is chomping at the bit already, so lets remove the bit and let them chomp M$.
Patent Infringements I ask you they certainly know how to play their own game thats for sure.
Bloody hell you would think they would promote an OS that such vulnerabilities were hard to work on. I am flabbergasted that red tape can prevent such a common sense solution.
But then i suspect MS and the US gov are in bed together anyway.
Should MS continue its feet dragging then the UE will simply dismiss them and forbid them (as an extreme) in the EU.
I dont think that the EU will allow high paid lawyers to drag this out in any way shape or form, they know MS and what they will attempt to wriggle out of it.
Thats a good point. MS machines tend to phone home often, but what exactly does get exchanged in that call?
And if this proprietry software will not let on what goes on behind the scenes then why should an non American government (who probably knows that the US gov and MS are in bed some way or another) trust that said proprietry software.
MS days in Europe are numbered and they know it, thats why all this cheap sleazy efforts are been made a mockery of.
"Am I the only one who remembers all the red coats and that "rather unpleasant matter concerning tea" up in Boston? Sure, we're shoulder-to-shoulder against the world, but when it comes right down to it it's us-against-them in the oldest rivalry our nation knows ('cause it hails from our very beginnings!)"
NO I remember (been British I remmber it much differntly than your version).
Britain was making efforts to get you war debt dogers to cough up your share of the French and Indian war (not that you would have any recolection of that since your America only started in 1776). A war that cost Britain a fortune and who was heavily engaged in N America. And guess what them damned colonists did not want to share the cost of this war so when GB started applying some preassure you lot throw a paddy.
Then you have made up complete bollox to make everyone beleive what you did was just. Some chaps made fortunes and gained great power by your betrayall. And thats what revolution was all about. You no doubt still pay tax.
Europe does not need Proprietry MS software on its computers. The fact that they phone home often and exchange info is a serious worry too. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like but I would not put anything past MS and the US govnt.
And if this does fall back as coming from MS then thats another 18" nail in the coffin that the UE has erected around MS Europe already. Their days are numbered, lets hope its less than we think.
Been European I am over the moon that MS no longer has a tangible beach head over here. Been an advocate of linux I am even more happy that this proprietry software company no longer has the clout it once did.
I say Europe have the right idea and are closing MS out of making Europe head down its solution path (which probably would end up been broken anyway).
Dom the yankee computer giants and gawd save the nix!
Obviously been sponsored by Microsoft and said companies future in Europe been in the balance I would jump to the conclusion thats its just MS rhetoric hintng that vista will create 50k jobs in Europe as a means for Europe to stop attacking MS's mode of operations.
I dont think the EU will fall for yet another blatent attempt by MS to pull its own strings in Europe.
They hould stick to the US for that coz we aint playing.
Well when us Europeans say someting we mean it. Not like Bush allowing Redmond to carry on as normal after been found guilty of the same thinig Europe found them guilty of.
MS has no friends over here and its for the better good of us all.
It does appear that they are playing silly childish games and let them. Europe has an open stadard policy anyway and are more than willing to stand up and punish if need by the mighty MS.
Any messing around by MS in Europe to me is a good sign. Let them mess around they will soon find that MS has no place in Europe at all. That would surely be a day I would like to see.
If it costs its not worth having. Thats the mantra I push at work and we are running happily on our LINUX and OSX boxes.
There could also be European skulldugary at play and an undeground effort to thwart MS in Europe. After all MS tried to thwart Europe just recently (TO NO AVAIL i add).
I dont go about using this library or that library if I can help it. I fully OO my code up and and I can pretty much do what others can do in other languages. (and yes code re-use is a default concept of mine so my classes can easily be shifted to another site and used with ease).
Yes I have looked at other languages but when it comes down to it i recon php aint going no place so why would I choose to learn yet another damned language when the one I have does the job good enough.
Days end have your ruby and your rails and dont forget to shake that snake if you must. I'm all for the evolution of languages but languages that are not 100% web based languages are popping up here and there and everywhere.
Are we to learn them all before we can decide whats the best one to use?
NOT ME. I can do it in PHP and I dont have any issues with its short comings (not that I have realy experienced any).
PHP is evolving all the time. So what happens when python suddenly becomes not so good as the next language, are you all to drop that language and use the next one or revert to one you already know because it just improved.
How would this benefit your existing clients. Do you think you can shift to say RoR and then expect your clients to re-pay you to re-code the sites you made for them in RoR too.
Its not so straight forward just shifting languages as it would appear.
I aint wishing to slate anyone or anything but there is a saying that goes "BAD WORKMEN BLAME THEIR TOOLS".
"US _doesn't_ necessarily agree with on all matters"
Well that norrows it down to not so many don't it.
"Why should the US allow extradition to one country and not to others?"
Human rights laws (which seem to be bent to suit the needs of whatever country these days). So if say China wanted a banking crook like the 3 that were shipped out from GB last week they would apply.
Of course the US would choose to turn them down due to China's bad history of human rights, but there is also an argument that the US flaunts human rights so why should anyone be extridited there too?
I am not a lawyer and have no real idea behind all this stuff All i can say is it appears to be a completely unfair system that only works if the goverment lets it work.
And for the US to deny an extradition to the EU (which is apparently US friendly) then i would assume much publicity would be made of it and the US would be stuck to find human rights violations to throw over as a trump card.
So with that in effect I would find it realy difficult for them to say no.
"If they try to extradite, that would get very interesting. It would create a most undesirable precedent for allowing Americans to be extradited to countries which suppress freedom of information, for example, for publishing information on the web that they had not been able to censor before it happened to become widespread there."
Try keeping up with current affairs,
The US is doing this to British people right now, not to mention the many held in Guantanamo bay (illegally by the way).
If the US backed MS and refused to hand over Bill what would that mean for the US attempting to extradite folks there?
No on would hand them over and everyone would be ripping US stuff off just becuase of Bill gates and the US governments desire to protect him.
I think the US would gladly wash their hands of him and all its filthy practice that the US has had to put up with these past years via MS.
The US would have to hand him over to keep face with the world if such a thing took place. Would the US govt back bill and co all the way? They certainly expect the world to hand over people for them to try in their courts (even if the crime has not occured in the US).
Break that rule and your making a mockery of your own laws.
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I can't actually beleive that the US gov will actually just replace XP with vista without it having any decent testing in their enviroment.
Do those guys totally beleive what MS tells them?
Its simple bring all distro's under Europe wing and see if MS can be a bully then. We all know how Europe is chomping at the bit already, so lets remove the bit and let them chomp M$.
Patent Infringements I ask you they certainly know how to play their own game thats for sure.
Yea watch out Google MS are going to be patenting your ass.
Unless of course Google patented them first. Here to hoping they did
Surely you mean you are a fat bastard.
..........
If McD's and KFC are the best of American exports then
Well heres to a lettuce sarnie
Stick with what you know best mate. Colour was colour before it was reduced to color.
Only in America they say.
ibbo
ha ha ha ha ha ha nice one
Can you imagine anytrhing worse that radio active French Men.
Viva la Bombe
Bloody hell you would think they would promote an OS that such vulnerabilities were hard to work on. I am flabbergasted that red tape can prevent such a common sense solution.
But then i suspect MS and the US gov are in bed together anyway.
30 here anymore?
Nothing and everything.
Should MS continue its feet dragging then the UE will simply dismiss them and forbid them (as an extreme) in the EU.
I dont think that the EU will allow high paid lawyers to drag this out in any way shape or form, they know MS and what they will attempt to wriggle out of it.
MS is on a tight leash and its getting tighter.
"for the government to monitor its citizens"
Thats a good point. MS machines tend to phone home often, but what exactly does get exchanged in that call?
And if this proprietry software will not let on what goes on behind the scenes then why should an non American government (who probably knows that the US gov and MS are in bed some way or another) trust that said proprietry software.
MS days in Europe are numbered and they know it, thats why all this cheap sleazy efforts are been made a mockery of.
ibbo
"Am I the only one who remembers all the red coats and that "rather unpleasant matter concerning tea" up in Boston? Sure, we're shoulder-to-shoulder against the world, but when it comes right down to it it's us-against-them in the oldest rivalry our nation knows ('cause it hails from our very beginnings!)"
NO I remember (been British I remmber it much differntly than your version).
Britain was making efforts to get you war debt dogers to cough up your share of the French and Indian war (not that you would have any recolection of that since your America only started in 1776). A war that cost Britain a fortune and who was heavily engaged in N America. And guess what them damned colonists did not want to share the cost of this war so when GB started applying some preassure you lot throw a paddy.
Then you have made up complete bollox to make everyone beleive what you did was just. Some chaps made fortunes and gained great power by your betrayall. And thats what revolution was all about. You no doubt still pay tax.
DOM the yankee's and gawd save the queen!
ibbo
Europe does not need Proprietry MS software on its computers. The fact that they phone home often and exchange info is a serious worry too. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you like but I would not put anything past MS and the US govnt.
And if this does fall back as coming from MS then thats another 18" nail in the coffin that the UE has erected around MS Europe already. Their days are numbered, lets hope its less than we think.
Why does it matter.
Been European I am over the moon that MS no longer has a tangible beach head over here. Been an advocate of linux I am even more happy that this proprietry software company no longer has the clout it once did.
I say Europe have the right idea and are closing MS out of making Europe head down its solution path (which probably would end up been broken anyway).
Dom the yankee computer giants and gawd save the nix!
ibbo
I find nautilus under GNOMe quite sufficient. Try right clicking and select browse.
ibbo
It stinks of real smelly excrement.
Obviously been sponsored by Microsoft and said companies future in Europe been in the balance I would jump to the conclusion thats its just MS rhetoric hintng that vista will create 50k jobs in Europe as a means for Europe to stop attacking MS's mode of operations.
I dont think the EU will fall for yet another blatent attempt by MS to pull its own strings in Europe.
They hould stick to the US for that coz we aint playing.
Perhaps if MS were to settle the last bout and fines imposed by the EU then the EU would not be so ready to beat them with a stick.
MS is an arrogant company that will get no headway in Europe while it constantly looks at ways to thwart foreign policy.
They have had it coming anyway.
And I will lay a tenner on MS security still failing via I.E and its addware spyware holes.
ibbo
Well when us Europeans say someting we mean it. Not like Bush allowing Redmond to carry on as normal after been found guilty of the same thinig Europe found them guilty of.
MS has no friends over here and its for the better good of us all.
It does appear that they are playing silly childish games and let them. Europe has an open stadard policy anyway and are more than willing to stand up and punish if need by the mighty MS.
Any messing around by MS in Europe to me is a good sign. Let them mess around they will soon find that MS has no place in Europe at all. That would surely be a day I would like to see.
If it costs its not worth having. Thats the mantra I push at work and we are running happily on our LINUX and OSX boxes.
Ibbo
There could also be European skulldugary at play and an undeground effort to thwart MS in Europe. After all MS tried to thwart Europe just recently (TO NO AVAIL i add).
Out with MS in Europe, you lot keep it.
ibbo
And if you daft enough to buy Windows your buying into capitalism.
Which ones worse?
At least mine costs me nothing and works to my satisfaction. The other well.....
I'm happy with it.
I dont go about using this library or that library if I can help it. I fully OO my code up and and I can pretty much do what others can do in other languages. (and yes code re-use is a default concept of mine so my classes can easily be shifted to another site and used with ease).
Yes I have looked at other languages but when it comes down to it i recon php aint going no place so why would I choose to learn yet another damned language when the one I have does the job good enough.
Days end have your ruby and your rails and dont forget to shake that snake if you must. I'm all for the evolution of languages but languages that are not 100% web based languages are popping up here and there and everywhere.
Are we to learn them all before we can decide whats the best one to use?
NOT ME. I can do it in PHP and I dont have any issues with its short comings (not that I have realy experienced any).
PHP is evolving all the time. So what happens when python suddenly becomes not so good as the next language, are you all to drop that language and use the next one or revert to one you already know because it just improved.
How would this benefit your existing clients. Do you think you can shift to say RoR and then expect your clients to re-pay you to re-code the sites you made for them in RoR too.
Its not so straight forward just shifting languages as it would appear.
I aint wishing to slate anyone or anything but there is a saying that goes "BAD WORKMEN BLAME THEIR TOOLS".
Ibbo
"US _doesn't_ necessarily agree with on all matters"
Well that norrows it down to not so many don't it.
"Why should the US allow extradition to one country and not to others?"
Human rights laws (which seem to be bent to suit the needs of whatever country these days). So if say China wanted a banking crook like the 3 that were shipped out from GB last week they would apply.
Of course the US would choose to turn them down due to China's bad history of human rights, but there is also an argument that the US flaunts human rights so why should anyone be extridited there too?
I am not a lawyer and have no real idea behind all this stuff All i can say is it appears to be a completely unfair system that only works if the goverment lets it work.
And for the US to deny an extradition to the EU (which is apparently US friendly) then i would assume much publicity would be made of it and the US would be stuck to find human rights violations to throw over as a trump card.
So with that in effect I would find it realy difficult for them to say no.
Ibbo
"If they try to extradite, that would get very interesting. It would create a most undesirable precedent for allowing Americans to be extradited to countries which suppress freedom of information, for example, for publishing information on the web that they had not been able to censor before it happened to become widespread there."
Try keeping up with current affairs,
The US is doing this to British people right now, not to mention the many held in Guantanamo bay (illegally by the way).
If the US backed MS and refused to hand over Bill what would that mean for the US attempting to extradite folks there?
No on would hand them over and everyone would be ripping US stuff off just becuase of Bill gates and the US governments desire to protect him.
I think the US would gladly wash their hands of him and all its filthy practice that the US has had to put up with these past years via MS.
Ibbo
Extradition springs to mind.
The US would have to hand him over to keep face with the world if such a thing took place. Would the US govt back bill and co all the way? They certainly expect the world to hand over people for them to try in their courts (even if the crime has not occured in the US).
Break that rule and your making a mockery of your own laws.
Ibbo