What is so difficult about monitoring what your kids do? I have 3 boys. I know what they watch, I know what they play, and I know where they go. Sure, they get mad when I tell them they can't play PS2 all day, or they can't watch this or that tv show. But in the end, they listen.
Ratings are meant to be a guideline. Not necessarily a rule set in stone. My 11 year old has seen some R rated movies, with my approval. In fact, we're planning on watching 'Saving Private Ryan' in the near future. Why? Couple reasons.. He's pretty grounded in reality, so I'm not concerned with him getting a gun and going on a killing spree. He's studying history, and I think it's a really good historical movie.
I've let him watch other R rated movies too. And then there are PG and PG-13 movies that he's not allowed to see. The same goes for my other 2 boys.
It's a parents job to know their child, and to know what their child is ready for. Some children mature faster. Some mature slower. I feel completely comfortable with every decision I've made thus far and I'm extremely proud of how my children are turning out.
There have been times when I've made the "wrong" decision. I've let them do play games, or watch a TV show that they might not have been ready for. I learned from the experience and made sure they weren't exposed to that stuff anymore. After they matured a little more, I relaxed the restrictions a little.
It's up to the parents to deal with their children the right way. How about instead of all this legislation and other governmental crap, we set up some education for parents. How about some support groups? Maybe some free parenting classes? Maybe even an incentive for employers to allow their employees to go to these classes.
Dammit, I like my rights. I don't need the government telling me that I can't let my kid do this or that when I know perfectly well that my child is mature enough to handle it. Maybe the government should follow their own rules and when they're perfect, I'll think about it..
AHA! Now that would make more sense. ZenWorks is a completely different beast and fits more in the context of the quote... I guess this is just a case of misquoting?
I think I missed something here.. Xen is similar to VMWare, correct? How does this help you to patch your machine without needing to reboot? Why would I want to run a virtual server on top of my regular server?
Actually, it's 4 protocols... 53, 55, 77, and 103.. Any one of these can kill the interface.
I've already posted a lot of information regarding this on the Nanog list.. but the "exploit" that has been release (shadowchode) isn't required to exploit this bug.. hping can do this just as easily..
Ahh... But, we're not preventing those users from adding content in any other way... We are merely preventing them from becoming servers, willing or not. Think about it, most users don't realize that by downloading anything on a P2P program makes it immediately available for others to download it from them.
I read another post about the costs of running an ISP and the vast difference in cost vs bandwidth for a dial-up and a broadband connection. The post makes wonderful sense. ISP's are all but giving away bandwidth at this point. It may not be intentional, but they are. And the realization is quickly setting in that people are actually going to use that bandwidth. ISP's, as a result, are rushing around trying to gain some semblance of control.
I don't know how the AUP for PTD is exactly worded. Again, I don't deal with that aspect of the company. However, in the past, AUP's for dial-up customers stated things such as "Persistent connections over a 24 hour period are probibited"... Basically, if you were "always on", you were breaking the AUP. Why? Because this was considered a commercial service. Well, broadband connections are always on. In fact, in the world of cable, it's not easy to prevent a user from being on 24/7... It's not something we want to do, either. But, I don't think the intention of giving a residential user a 800k/800k connection was that they would max that bandwidth all the time. It allows users to burst to that max for a short time.
When a DS1, DS3, OC3, etc is sold, it's to a commercial customer. In that sense, we expect that the customer is going to use all of his/her bandwidth. We monitor the node to ensure that there is sufficient bandwidth for all the commercial connections and increase this if needed.
I personally find my connection to the internet extremely useful. I don't run any servers either... no FTP, no Telnet, no SSH, no P2P... I use the internet quite a bit as well...
FYI : These are my opinions, not necessarily the opinion of the company, yada yada yada...
Actually, I don't think we've busted anyone for running a quake server, provided it isn't a 24x7 server... While we probably could do this, I don't think they really consider it necessary. Blocking FTP, HTTP, P2P, and other such services is done for 2 major reasons. 1, it chews up bandwidth very quickly should that site become popular. 2, a large majority of the FTP site (especially) are there for Warez. Of course, we can't block everything and users can always change the port the service runs on.
There is a valid third reason as well. Port scanners can quickly find open ports on a users machine. That user may have put up an FTP server for innocent purposes, but, not knowing security, they've opened up a server that can be compromised. We see this often enough on commercial servers where the admins should "know better"... Most residential users don't think twice about security before running an FTP server. Simple hack, and suddenly there's an unauthorized server running. Most of the time the user won't even notice! They'll call complaining that service is slow... It isn't until we've done some investigating that this hole is found.
I see the need for some users to have the ability to FTP files to/from home, use remote desktop/VNC to get to their home machines, etc. But, by and large, the majority of the users suffer for those users that abuse the system or just don't know enough to protect themselves from getting abused.
I *think* users have access to a web server where they can put up home pages. I can't say for sure because I'm an engineer. I don't know what exactly is included with residential packages, but I'm fairly certain a website is in there...
As for the price difference between residential and commercial cable, I'm not compeltely sure.. I don't think it's that drastic though...
It's more a matter of what is causing the most problems. If everyone suddenly started running game servers and it was chewing up huge gobs of bandwidth, they'd probably start getting blocked. Who knows, if P2P matures some more and the software gets to the point where users can make informed decisions about how to use it, we may remove the block. Right now, though, they're extremely popular, and, as such, cause many headaches for traffic engineering and security control.
First off, I work for Penteledata. However, I have no authority to speak for the company in this matter. As such, these opinions are mine.
There are a lot of views that can be taken on this matter. From an ISP view, ISP's need to protect themselves from the current "regime" of money hungry corporations. It seems that due to copyright laws, a company can and will do anything in their power to prevent anyone from breaking those copyrights. In a way, they're right. And, in a way, I think they're wrong. But of course, this isn't about them being right and wrong.
From the perspective of service, it is in an ISP's best interests to serve all of the customers equally. Due to the "always on" way that cable and dsl work, customers are prone to leaving their computers running 24 hours a day. Or, maybe they're leaving them on while they're at work so they can download everything they have queued... Either way, because P2P sharing is a 2 way system, while they're downloading, someone else can be downloading from them. The may not intend to become a download spot, but they may. This uses up bandwidth within the ISP's network, decreasing the available bandwidth to the rest of the customers in the network.
Yes, ISP's can limit bandwidth, but then customers complain about that. ISP's usually have an AUP (Acceptable Use Policy) and in the case of Penteledata, it strictly prohibits "residential" customers from running servers. While those servers may be "free" and the customer does not benefit financially from them, if ISP's allow this, then those customers that do benefit financially from running servers have a rock-solid argument against purchasing a commercial account.
There is also the security standpoint. As you know, security on one system can affect everyone else. Nimda, Code Red, and others caused widespread problems for more users that were not infected than those that were. Allowing residential customers to run servers opens up many security holes. While there are some very smart residential users out there, I'd have to say that the majority don't know what it takes to secure a system. Thus, they get infected, and attacks launch from their systems. It would be extremely hard, and, IMHO, unethical to try and screen users abilities before allowing them to run servers.
Some ISP's take the stance to prevent users from running servers, both to protect themselves, and to protect the users.
ISP's may lose customers over this, and they may gain customers because of it. There will be those customers that will find workarounds and continue the file sharing. I'd probably do the same thing myself. Although, I can honestly say that I don't use these P2P programs for many reasons. The point is that the ISP needs to protect itself and do what it can to protect it's customers.
I work each day designing networks, writing software, and troubleshooting problems. The software I write allows us as an ISP to better monitor the traffic patterns on the network. It forewarns us when we hit bandwidth limits and gives us a head start on alleviating those limits. It allows us to quickly see DOS and other attacks. All in the interest of keeping the customers running as smoothly and with as much bandwidth available as we can.
We take measures to contain any problems as quickly and as efficiently as possible. If this means turning off a customer while the customer deals with the problem on their side, then so be it. I think we've had a great deal of success with this.
I think a lot of people have blown this way out of proportion. ISP's will do what they need to protect both themselves and the customer. They will also do what they need to enforce the rules they've set forward. Upon signup, each customer has given their consent to obey the AUP... I doubt most customers read that document. But, just like EULA's, they are there...
Again, my views are not representative of the company in question. My views are my views. And just as a point, I'm no big fan of EULA's, AUP's, etc. But, without them, some users feel they need to take advantage of the services they're getting, not caring who they cause problems for.
PTD, like any other ISP has it's flaws. But overall, as a provider, I think they provide above average service. I use them at home, and I have no real complaints. I have the same service as any other residential customer and I'm expected to follow the AUP as well.
Abstract:
"A Method whereby single or multiple WWW URL's are placed on the homepage of slashdot.org, resulting in a high amount of traffic to the above mentioned URL's. This resultant traffic, hereby known as the 'Slashdot Effect', causes the overloading of the URL's host machines. Said traffic will result in the takeover of the Internet."
Inventor(s) : Jason Frisvold (Lehighton, PA)
Appl : OU812
Filed : October 10, 2000
Claims:
We Claim:
1) A method by which large amounts of traffic can cause interrupted service on a host machine.
2) A method by which a large number of users will be sent to any given URL.
3) A method of claim 2 wherein said users will increase knowledge and sales for aforementioned URL.
4) A method of claim 3 wherein said sales will increase cash flow to aforementioned URL host.
5) A method of claim 4 wherein said cash flow will support further patenting.
6) A method of claim 5 wherein said patenting will enable the Inventors (See above) to assert control of the Internet.
Description:
BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE INVENTION
This invention relates mainly to the internet and how traffic flows over the internet.
BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION
The internet is a collection of computers around the world connected via high speed telco lines, fiber optics, and modems. This network is said to be a true anarchists' dream. As such, it is a dangerous place.
This invention will help stem that danger by replacing the open-sourcedness of the internet with a dictatorship.
Slashdot Mirror
Wow.. Placed Katayuri in Google and I received 0 results.. I'm shocked...
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Check this :
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.. uhh... Microsoft is in on this too, eh? Or is this article just completely wrong?
http://informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtm
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What is so difficult about monitoring what your kids do? I have 3 boys. I know what they watch, I know what they play, and I know where they go. Sure, they get mad when I tell them they can't play PS2 all day, or they can't watch this or that tv show. But in the end, they listen.
Ratings are meant to be a guideline. Not necessarily a rule set in stone. My 11 year old has seen some R rated movies, with my approval. In fact, we're planning on watching 'Saving Private Ryan' in the near future. Why? Couple reasons.. He's pretty grounded in reality, so I'm not concerned with him getting a gun and going on a killing spree. He's studying history, and I think it's a really good historical movie.
I've let him watch other R rated movies too. And then there are PG and PG-13 movies that he's not allowed to see. The same goes for my other 2 boys.
It's a parents job to know their child, and to know what their child is ready for. Some children mature faster. Some mature slower. I feel completely comfortable with every decision I've made thus far and I'm extremely proud of how my children are turning out.
There have been times when I've made the "wrong" decision. I've let them do play games, or watch a TV show that they might not have been ready for. I learned from the experience and made sure they weren't exposed to that stuff anymore. After they matured a little more, I relaxed the restrictions a little.
It's up to the parents to deal with their children the right way. How about instead of all this legislation and other governmental crap, we set up some education for parents. How about some support groups? Maybe some free parenting classes? Maybe even an incentive for employers to allow their employees to go to these classes.
Dammit, I like my rights. I don't need the government telling me that I can't let my kid do this or that when I know perfectly well that my child is mature enough to handle it. Maybe the government should follow their own rules and when they're perfect, I'll think about it..
AHA! Now that would make more sense. ZenWorks is a completely different beast and fits more in the context of the quote... I guess this is just a case of misquoting?
I think I missed something here.. Xen is similar to VMWare, correct? How does this help you to patch your machine without needing to reboot? Why would I want to run a virtual server on top of my regular server?
Ok, so if the iPod explodes as-is with the current battery, what happens with a nuclear cell...
Let X = Good Idea
:
:
Employee : Hey Boss, I had a great idea! It's $X! I'd like to develop the idea a little and get back to you. That ok?
Boss : Your idea is horrible. It'll never work. Drop it and get back to the mindless labor I've assigned you.
Executive Meeting
Big Boss : Anyone with new ideas?
Boss : I came up with $X in my spare time. I'll have Employee work on it immediately.
Big Boss : Excellent work. I'm giving you a 2% raise for this and a nice bonus at the end of the year.
Back in the office
Boss : I presented my new idea, $X, to the board. They liked it. I want is completed in $Nominal_Time/4.
Employee : *sigh*
Blue helmets? None here... And I don't think the kindly elederly lady would be able to do much..
Actually, it's 4 protocols ... 53, 55, 77, and 103.. Any one of these can kill the interface.
.. hping can do this just as easily..
I've already posted a lot of information regarding this on the Nanog list.. but the "exploit" that has been release (shadowchode) isn't required to exploit this bug
(My views, not the companys, blah blah ...)
... Basically, if you were "always on", you were breaking the AUP. Why? Because this was considered a commercial service. Well, broadband connections are always on. In fact, in the world of cable, it's not easy to prevent a user from being on 24/7 ... It's not something we want to do, either. But, I don't think the intention of giving a residential user a 800k/800k connection was that they would max that bandwidth all the time. It allows users to burst to that max for a short time.
... no FTP, no Telnet, no SSH, no P2P ... I use the internet quite a bit as well...
Ahh... But, we're not preventing those users from adding content in any other way... We are merely preventing them from becoming servers, willing or not. Think about it, most users don't realize that by downloading anything on a P2P program makes it immediately available for others to download it from them.
I read another post about the costs of running an ISP and the vast difference in cost vs bandwidth for a dial-up and a broadband connection. The post makes wonderful sense. ISP's are all but giving away bandwidth at this point. It may not be intentional, but they are. And the realization is quickly setting in that people are actually going to use that bandwidth. ISP's, as a result, are rushing around trying to gain some semblance of control.
I don't know how the AUP for PTD is exactly worded. Again, I don't deal with that aspect of the company. However, in the past, AUP's for dial-up customers stated things such as "Persistent connections over a 24 hour period are probibited"
When a DS1, DS3, OC3, etc is sold, it's to a commercial customer. In that sense, we expect that the customer is going to use all of his/her bandwidth. We monitor the node to ensure that there is sufficient bandwidth for all the commercial connections and increase this if needed.
I personally find my connection to the internet extremely useful. I don't run any servers either
FYI : These are my opinions, not necessarily the opinion of the company, yada yada yada ...
... Most residential users don't think twice about security before running an FTP server. Simple hack, and suddenly there's an unauthorized server running. Most of the time the user won't even notice! They'll call complaining that service is slow... It isn't until we've done some investigating that this hole is found.
Actually, I don't think we've busted anyone for running a quake server, provided it isn't a 24x7 server... While we probably could do this, I don't think they really consider it necessary. Blocking FTP, HTTP, P2P, and other such services is done for 2 major reasons. 1, it chews up bandwidth very quickly should that site become popular. 2, a large majority of the FTP site (especially) are there for Warez. Of course, we can't block everything and users can always change the port the service runs on.
There is a valid third reason as well. Port scanners can quickly find open ports on a users machine. That user may have put up an FTP server for innocent purposes, but, not knowing security, they've opened up a server that can be compromised. We see this often enough on commercial servers where the admins should "know better"
I see the need for some users to have the ability to FTP files to/from home, use remote desktop/VNC to get to their home machines, etc. But, by and large, the majority of the users suffer for those users that abuse the system or just don't know enough to protect themselves from getting abused.
I *think* users have access to a web server where they can put up home pages. I can't say for sure because I'm an engineer. I don't know what exactly is included with residential packages, but I'm fairly certain a website is in there...
As for the price difference between residential and commercial cable, I'm not compeltely sure.. I don't think it's that drastic though...
It's more a matter of what is causing the most problems. If everyone suddenly started running game servers and it was chewing up huge gobs of bandwidth, they'd probably start getting blocked. Who knows, if P2P matures some more and the software gets to the point where users can make informed decisions about how to use it, we may remove the block. Right now, though, they're extremely popular, and, as such, cause many headaches for traffic engineering and security control.
First off, I work for Penteledata. However, I have no authority to speak for the company in this matter. As such, these opinions are mine.
There are a lot of views that can be taken on this matter. From an ISP view, ISP's need to protect themselves from the current "regime" of money hungry corporations. It seems that due to copyright laws, a company can and will do anything in their power to prevent anyone from breaking those copyrights. In a way, they're right. And, in a way, I think they're wrong. But of course, this isn't about them being right and wrong.
From the perspective of service, it is in an ISP's best interests to serve all of the customers equally. Due to the "always on" way that cable and dsl work, customers are prone to leaving their computers running 24 hours a day. Or, maybe they're leaving them on while they're at work so they can download everything they have queued... Either way, because P2P sharing is a 2 way system, while they're downloading, someone else can be downloading from them. The may not intend to become a download spot, but they may. This uses up bandwidth within the ISP's network, decreasing the available bandwidth to the rest of the customers in the network.
Yes, ISP's can limit bandwidth, but then customers complain about that. ISP's usually have an AUP (Acceptable Use Policy) and in the case of Penteledata, it strictly prohibits "residential" customers from running servers. While those servers may be "free" and the customer does not benefit financially from them, if ISP's allow this, then those customers that do benefit financially from running servers have a rock-solid argument against purchasing a commercial account.
There is also the security standpoint. As you know, security on one system can affect everyone else. Nimda, Code Red, and others caused widespread problems for more users that were not infected than those that were. Allowing residential customers to run servers opens up many security holes. While there are some very smart residential users out there, I'd have to say that the majority don't know what it takes to secure a system. Thus, they get infected, and attacks launch from their systems. It would be extremely hard, and, IMHO, unethical to try and screen users abilities before allowing them to run servers.
Some ISP's take the stance to prevent users from running servers, both to protect themselves, and to protect the users.
ISP's may lose customers over this, and they may gain customers because of it. There will be those customers that will find workarounds and continue the file sharing. I'd probably do the same thing myself. Although, I can honestly say that I don't use these P2P programs for many reasons. The point is that the ISP needs to protect itself and do what it can to protect it's customers.
I work each day designing networks, writing software, and troubleshooting problems. The software I write allows us as an ISP to better monitor the traffic patterns on the network. It forewarns us when we hit bandwidth limits and gives us a head start on alleviating those limits. It allows us to quickly see DOS and other attacks. All in the interest of keeping the customers running as smoothly and with as much bandwidth available as we can.
We take measures to contain any problems as quickly and as efficiently as possible. If this means turning off a customer while the customer deals with the problem on their side, then so be it. I think we've had a great deal of success with this.
I think a lot of people have blown this way out of proportion. ISP's will do what they need to protect both themselves and the customer. They will also do what they need to enforce the rules they've set forward. Upon signup, each customer has given their consent to obey the AUP... I doubt most customers read that document. But, just like EULA's, they are there...
Again, my views are not representative of the company in question. My views are my views. And just as a point, I'm no big fan of EULA's, AUP's, etc. But, without them, some users feel they need to take advantage of the services they're getting, not caring who they cause problems for.
PTD, like any other ISP has it's flaws. But overall, as a provider, I think they provide above average service. I use them at home, and I have no real complaints. I have the same service as any other residential customer and I'm expected to follow the AUP as well.
Abstract :
: :
:
"A Method whereby single or multiple WWW URL's are placed on the homepage of slashdot.org, resulting in a high amount of traffic to the above mentioned URL's. This resultant traffic, hereby known as the 'Slashdot Effect', causes the overloading of the URL's host machines. Said traffic will result in the takeover of the Internet."
Inventor(s) : Jason Frisvold (Lehighton, PA)
Appl : OU812
Filed : October 10, 2000
Claims
We Claim
1) A method by which large amounts of traffic can cause interrupted service on a host machine.
2) A method by which a large number of users will be sent to any given URL.
3) A method of claim 2 wherein said users will increase knowledge and sales for aforementioned URL.
4) A method of claim 3 wherein said sales will increase cash flow to aforementioned URL host.
5) A method of claim 4 wherein said cash flow will support further patenting.
6) A method of claim 5 wherein said patenting will enable the Inventors (See above) to assert control of the Internet.
Description
BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE INVENTION
This invention relates mainly to the internet and how traffic flows over the internet.
BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION
The internet is a collection of computers around the world connected via high speed telco lines, fiber optics, and modems. This network is said to be a true anarchists' dream. As such, it is a dangerous place.
This invention will help stem that danger by replacing the open-sourcedness of the internet with a dictatorship.