Indeed. I'm curious why is not "closed source, with a strong industry support" an option?
i guess because he knows what kind of crap *that* can be.
of course his full requirement list is ridiculous, nevertheless as a request to the community on a public forum. anything else? this dude is just looking for someone else wanting to do his fucking job, but he also wants a medal for it (read: a tap on the shoulder). likely he *is* in a "closed source, with a strong industry support" environment, so screw him.
i'm afraid you misunderstood that mm was just an example for GP's point which was that current freshmen are taught in a too high level of abstraction. sw engineering tools have evolved a bit but are still far from perfect, resource availalability has increased a lot but resources are still finite. today you absolutely need to have a clear picture of what is happening at lower levels to make good decisions at high level.
i don't see a solution for this anytime soon since this comes only from experience, and academic degrees would take a lot longer (that's not a good thing for our education models which are basically efficient factories of skilled workers). on top of that, abstraction levels tend to get higher, so there is less opportunity to tinker with stuff. if you are an old hack you have learnt as technology evolved, so you have naturally gone through all that from scratch. new generations don't. that's their strong point (because their naivety may result in astounding innovation) but at the same time their weakness (because they implement like shit), at present. maybe when we have far more sophisticated execution evironments this will be less of an issue. now it is, and it simply means a degree means very little, only hr guys "value" that.
Actually, I would have reversed that and said that the latter implies malicious intent.
All the marketing folks want to do is sell you stuff. The Gov wants to throw you in prison, or worse.
all of them actually want you buying stuff constantly.
but on a pure semantical level, marketing naturally implies profit, while government should be synonymous of "caring for the res publica", even though in our particular reality government is nothing but another marketing tool.
1. It is not possible to exert mind control over an intelligent and reasonable person simply by throttling their social media streams.
yeah but it's hivemind control. hivemind oriented individuals are a majority, so hivemind control is actually a reality. and a pretty obvious one if you ask me. now for example you may not be buying this bullshit but it is your hive, and you can't escape: these hivelings may be your relatives, your friends, people you like or love. you screwed, bro. in other words: controlled.
of course the problem itself points to the way out. let's not despair!
Ann election must be free, equal, and secure. To ensure equality, the count must be repeatable for everyone. Online voting vor any voting machine does not provide that feature.
citation needed. also you could tell us about the last time you repeated a count for paper votes. there are indeed methods to perform verifiable counting electronically, you just don't know about them. the tricky part here is "for everyone" as in "without any specialist knowledge on the subject" (quoting the very same ruling you wrongly cited, see below). fair enough. however, you actually *do* need some specific knowledge to repeat and validate a count on paper, at least you need to be able to read and count. there's people around who can't even do that. as society progresses it should not be unreasonable for some degree of computer literacy to be considered normal.
The German supreme court ruled that voting machines do not allow real democratic elections.
the german *constitutional* court ruled that the *specific implementation of voting machines* used in the 2005 bundestag election didn't meet the requirements. http://www.bundesverfassungsge...
And it is not a good argument that voting machines or online voting is faster. Fast and convenient is not the core concerns for democracy. The above criteria are.
this i totally agree with. note also that i'm not an online voting advocate at all. it's just critics mostly tend to use weak (if not plain wrong) arguments.
besides, if implemented well online voting can be as secure and verifiable as any other method. the real problem is still corruption.
on a higher level, the system is already rigged: if you control the media you simply manipulate the elections as a whole, e.g. in the us there is no need to risk commiting electoral fraud: with things as fox and cbs and an ignorant and acritic majority of the population you can plant any sockpuppet you need.
i'd say OP could be a good example of this, having "reservations against online voting" and wanting to "fight" it just because it is "online", without any sensible description about the system and the suspected flaws. this nonsense is so common, our democratic societies systematically move focus away from every important aspect of political discussion. we absolutely love having red herrings jumping around us, voting ends up being just a ritual.
The argument is that it causes unforeseen health complications, not that it is dangerous. Since the great streetcar scandal, Americans have had literally two choices: own a car, or be left behind economically.
not at all, the argument is that it acounts for more than 50% of global pollution, including the production chain. the health consequences on the whole population are far worse than those derived of smoking.
factory workers and owners,
see above.
Which provide substantial benefit to others.
there you might have a point, citing yourelf: "literally two choices: own a car, or be left behind economically". great stuff!
smartphone and computer users,
What? You are no longer in left field. You have left the ballpark.
see above, dickhead.
meat and processed food consumers, etc., right?
There is no evidence that eating meat is bad for you, and in fact eating only meat and vegetables has been shown to have immense benefits for some people. Now you've gone from standing outside the ballpark to just being a fucking idiot.
Not all processed foods are evil, although that's the way to bet. But our government has told us to eat them, essentially, so they (we) are on the hook for that one. When it's had anything to say about it at all, the government has told us not to smoke.
there actually is evidence of several negative effects of meat but nevermind. processed food is shit, and it's produced mostly from meat grown to be processed. this whole industrial process is an environmental disgrace and a sanitary hazard your government is not willing to protect you from. in fact healthcare services are flooded with direct victims of this. now tell me something funny about smoking!:D
shouldn't we be taxing processed food to oblivion, by the same argument?
to finish university on schedule, get a job right out of university, take up guitar and fencing, and buy a house while resisting the bank's push for me to get a bigger loan than I was comfortable with.
dear little evil, you seem very proud of all that. have my sincere compliments and keep it going. however, let it not happen that you ever wake up to see all of that squandered, disappearing, vanishing in one single unexpected turn of life. that day, however, you will understand why they called you stupid. best of lucks.
Only on Slashdot would some one compare heroin to alcohol and tobacco. The difference is that you can use alcohol and not be addicted.
funny, because i snorted plenty of heroin and cocaine in my youth but never got addicted to it. i am, however, fully addicted to tobacco now, and not quite sure about alcohol.
the point is, casual heroin (cocaine, whatever) use without addiction is entirely possible, and not at all uncommon. it's always about the person and the circumstances, not about the substance.
Why did they "have" to start taking drugs in the first place?
suffering from PTSD (not their fault)
if they got it after 1945 then it must be their fault. us troops haven't served on any legitimate conflict ever since, so if they got PTSD we could indeed paraphrase GP: "why did they rush for blood adn excitement in the first place?"
If you are snorting cocaine on your yacht for fun, yeah that's on you and if you die I'm not going to cry a river for you.
so it's eithere war veterans or rich motherfuckers on yachts? ever heard about poverty? analphabetism? marginalization?
Please actually cite scientific or statistical evidence to back up your purely anecdotal claim.
The concept of a gateway drug has been known for decades.
if you mean "well known" as "never scientifically backed hypoteses" tossed around for decades, then yeah.
Don't make outrageous claims without substantial proof.
again, there isn't substantial proof that "gateway drugs" exist at all. even so most backers of this weak idea seem to accept that such a drug would be most predominantly "alcohol", which is what GP just stated. uh, and that there's much confusion between correlation and causation in all this, which is evident. possibly even deliberate confusion, i might add.
The real problem was, if you didn't vote for Obama, you'd be voting for the sockpuppets the GOP put up against him. That's the reason they lost, and Obama won, and thank goodness. Imagine where we'd be if Palin were president.
it would be the same. how is obama not a sockpuppet? it wouldn't make a difference if you had a bread toaster for president. otherwise you wouldn't be allowed to vote for a president.
It's impossible to properly engineer a product when you don't even know what the product is in advance.
actually it is, if your agile allows for enough iterations and your stuff is testable and refactorable, you should have no problem. well, you'll have a lot if you get too much pressure or simply cut short on shedule.
agile is very good provided the goal is not completely clear and there is time. many problems are not in this category but are thrown into it regardless just because it's a lot easier not to spec, and let the scrummies figure it out later, and take responsibility. and because it has become a business mantra.
its more process than it really needs to be, and the quality is STILL NOT THERE
this nails it.
the fuzz about different languages, i don't see that. it's actually refreshing. and the problem with COBO^H^H^H^H java isn't the language, it's the illustrated monkey environment built around it. no wonder it's the industries' preferred platform.
You're the problem with the software industry
software industry broadly just sucks. because it's driven mostly by shortsighted greedy morons and perception is often more important than substance. that's unless you happen to be in very specific environments (and those typically don't last for long). the guy is right. and he being good or bad at coding doesn't change the situation so your rant is uncalled for.
stop trying to occupy Israel, stop trying to steal Jewish land, stop trying to expell the Jews "into the sea" etc.The Arab and Muslim polulations of the world have 99% of the land in the middle east but they cannot have peaceful and successful societies without that little sliver of land that holds the one Holy site of the Jewish faith.
no wait a moment. we're talking about people dying here. let me first make it perfectly clear that i personally shit on your Holy site with capital letters. ok? IF you have anything to discuss rationaly then please keep your personal fantasies, against which i have absolutely nothing, for yourself. i can't possibly take you seriously if you put them in front of your argument. it means you have no valid argument (*) and you are just making a jerk of yourself.
I will develop some smattering of sympathy for the Palestinan civilians when they disassociate themselves from Hamas and Hezbollah and their stated goals to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. I will develop more sympathy for them when they allow at least as much freedom
i don't think palestinians actually need your fucking sympathy. i guess they would be more than happy if you simply stopped robbing, expelling and killing them. thank you.
i hit 50 last sunday and been a developer since i can remember, and i still love my profession but the "guild" has changed an awful lot, from once being a peculiar bunch to the herd it mostly is today. most of my colleagues are much younger than me and... what can i say... they are often so brainwashed with corporate bullshit they break my heart almost daily. holy shit, they even blog about it! it's so depressing, it makes me wanna cry.:'(
sign'o'times, i guess. i can perfectly believe many of those sheep will cheerfully allow you to strap an eyetracker on them to check their nominal productivity.
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Indeed. I'm curious why is not "closed source, with a strong industry support" an option?
i guess because he knows what kind of crap *that* can be.
of course his full requirement list is ridiculous, nevertheless as a request to the community on a public forum. anything else? this dude is just looking for someone else wanting to do his fucking job, but he also wants a medal for it (read: a tap on the shoulder). likely he *is* in a "closed source, with a strong industry support" environment, so screw him.
i'm afraid you misunderstood that mm was just an example for GP's point which was that current freshmen are taught in a too high level of abstraction. sw engineering tools have evolved a bit but are still far from perfect, resource availalability has increased a lot but resources are still finite. today you absolutely need to have a clear picture of what is happening at lower levels to make good decisions at high level.
i don't see a solution for this anytime soon since this comes only from experience, and academic degrees would take a lot longer (that's not a good thing for our education models which are basically efficient factories of skilled workers). on top of that, abstraction levels tend to get higher, so there is less opportunity to tinker with stuff. if you are an old hack you have learnt as technology evolved, so you have naturally gone through all that from scratch. new generations don't. that's their strong point (because their naivety may result in astounding innovation) but at the same time their weakness (because they implement like shit), at present. maybe when we have far more sophisticated execution evironments this will be less of an issue. now it is, and it simply means a degree means very little, only hr guys "value" that.
Figure that one out, and commercial software will be dead tomorrow.
Why must it die? Has the "world been saved" then?
dunno, but the moment there is no "commercial" anything, the world will have learned.
Actually, I would have reversed that and said that the latter implies malicious intent.
All the marketing folks want to do is sell you stuff. The Gov wants to throw you in prison, or worse.
all of them actually want you buying stuff constantly.
but on a pure semantical level, marketing naturally implies profit, while government should be synonymous of "caring for the res publica", even though in our particular reality government is nothing but another marketing tool.
1. It is not possible to exert mind control over an intelligent and reasonable person simply by throttling their social media streams.
yeah but it's hivemind control. hivemind oriented individuals are a majority, so hivemind control is actually a reality. and a pretty obvious one if you ask me. now for example you may not be buying this bullshit but it is your hive, and you can't escape: these hivelings may be your relatives, your friends, people you like or love. you screwed, bro. in other words: controlled.
of course the problem itself points to the way out. let's not despair!
oh my. will this be the end of vi/emacs flames? :'(
Ann election must be free, equal, and secure. To ensure equality, the count must be repeatable for everyone. Online voting vor any voting machine does not provide that feature.
citation needed. also you could tell us about the last time you repeated a count for paper votes. there are indeed methods to perform verifiable counting electronically, you just don't know about them. the tricky part here is "for everyone" as in "without any specialist knowledge on the subject" (quoting the very same ruling you wrongly cited, see below). fair enough. however, you actually *do* need some specific knowledge to repeat and validate a count on paper, at least you need to be able to read and count. there's people around who can't even do that. as society progresses it should not be unreasonable for some degree of computer literacy to be considered normal.
The German supreme court ruled that voting machines do not allow real democratic elections.
the german *constitutional* court ruled that the *specific implementation of voting machines* used in the 2005 bundestag election didn't meet the requirements.
http://www.bundesverfassungsge...
And it is not a good argument that voting machines or online voting is faster. Fast and convenient is not the core concerns for democracy. The above criteria are.
this i totally agree with. note also that i'm not an online voting advocate at all. it's just critics mostly tend to use weak (if not plain wrong) arguments.
totally agree.
besides, if implemented well online voting can be as secure and verifiable as any other method. the real problem is still corruption.
on a higher level, the system is already rigged: if you control the media you simply manipulate the elections as a whole, e.g. in the us there is no need to risk commiting electoral fraud: with things as fox and cbs and an ignorant and acritic majority of the population you can plant any sockpuppet you need.
also works on the local level, completely legal:
http://tech.slashdot.org/story...
i'd say OP could be a good example of this, having "reservations against online voting" and wanting to "fight" it just because it is "online", without any sensible description about the system and the suspected flaws. this nonsense is so common, our democratic societies systematically move focus away from every important aspect of political discussion. we absolutely love having red herrings jumping around us, voting ends up being just a ritual.
Pretty much that. Even Norway tossed it after trials
fyi, that bbc article was utter nonsense, just plain wrong in almost every aspect:
http://www.regjeringen.no/en/d...
A doctor stuck a stethoscope in his wife's ear
is that what she said?
same as car and motorcycle drivers,
The argument is that it causes unforeseen health complications, not that it is dangerous. Since the great streetcar scandal, Americans have had literally two choices: own a car, or be left behind economically.
not at all, the argument is that it acounts for more than 50% of global pollution, including the production chain. the health consequences on the whole population are far worse than those derived of smoking.
factory workers and owners,
see above.
Which provide substantial benefit to others.
there you might have a point, citing yourelf: "literally two choices: own a car, or be left behind economically". great stuff!
smartphone and computer users,
What? You are no longer in left field. You have left the ballpark.
see above, dickhead.
meat and processed food consumers, etc., right?
There is no evidence that eating meat is bad for you, and in fact eating only meat and vegetables has been shown to have immense benefits for some people. Now you've gone from standing outside the ballpark to just being a fucking idiot.
Not all processed foods are evil, although that's the way to bet. But our government has told us to eat them, essentially, so they (we) are on the hook for that one. When it's had anything to say about it at all, the government has told us not to smoke.
there actually is evidence of several negative effects of meat but nevermind. processed food is shit, and it's produced mostly from meat grown to be processed. this whole industrial process is an environmental disgrace and a sanitary hazard your government is not willing to protect you from. in fact healthcare services are flooded with direct victims of this. now tell me something funny about smoking! :D
shouldn't we be taxing processed food to oblivion, by the same argument?
compared to the combined effect af all those, smoking is harmless. its effect is just more noticiable at very small scales. an easy target.
all of those impact the entire planet, so yes.
They are one of those few groups who shouldn't get any healthcare at all. Even when their problem is seemingly unrelated to smoking.
same as car and motorcycle drivers, factory workers and owners, smartphone and computer users, meat and processed food consumers, etc., right?
to finish university on schedule, get a job right out of university, take up guitar and fencing, and buy a house while resisting the bank's push for me to get a bigger loan than I was comfortable with.
dear little evil, you seem very proud of all that. have my sincere compliments and keep it going. however, let it not happen that you ever wake up to see all of that squandered, disappearing, vanishing in one single unexpected turn of life. that day, however, you will understand why they called you stupid. best of lucks.
Only on Slashdot would some one compare heroin to alcohol and tobacco.
The difference is that you can use alcohol and not be addicted.
funny, because i snorted plenty of heroin and cocaine in my youth but never got addicted to it. i am, however, fully addicted to tobacco now, and not quite sure about alcohol.
the point is, casual heroin (cocaine, whatever) use without addiction is entirely possible, and not at all uncommon. it's always about the person and the circumstances, not about the substance.
I'm all for helping people who are addicted. Just don't expect me to help them AND feel sympathy.
that's just fine, who wants your sympathy?
If they somehow manage to mentally and physically heal and no longer require painkillers but continue to do so, then it's a choice.
see? you are making very bold statements over somethng you have no idea about, you don't even understand what addiction is.
Why did they "have" to start taking drugs in the first place?
suffering from PTSD (not their fault)
if they got it after 1945 then it must be their fault. us troops haven't served on any legitimate conflict ever since, so if they got PTSD we could indeed paraphrase GP: "why did they rush for blood adn excitement in the first place?"
If you are snorting cocaine on your yacht for fun, yeah that's on you and if you die I'm not going to cry a river for you.
so it's eithere war veterans or rich motherfuckers on yachts? ever heard about poverty? analphabetism? marginalization?
Please actually cite scientific or statistical evidence to back up your purely anecdotal claim.
The concept of a gateway drug has been known for decades.
if you mean "well known" as "never scientifically backed hypoteses" tossed around for decades, then yeah.
Don't make outrageous claims without substantial proof.
again, there isn't substantial proof that "gateway drugs" exist at all. even so most backers of this weak idea seem to accept that such a drug would be most predominantly "alcohol", which is what GP just stated. uh, and that there's much confusion between correlation and causation in all this, which is evident. possibly even deliberate confusion, i might add.
The real problem was, if you didn't vote for Obama, you'd be voting for the sockpuppets the GOP put up against him. That's the reason they lost, and Obama won, and thank goodness. Imagine where we'd be if Palin were president.
it would be the same. how is obama not a sockpuppet? it wouldn't make a difference if you had a bread toaster for president. otherwise you wouldn't be allowed to vote for a president.
loved every single part of the surgery
pervert!
It's impossible to properly engineer a product when you don't even know what the product is in advance.
actually it is, if your agile allows for enough iterations and your stuff is testable and refactorable, you should have no problem. well, you'll have a lot if you get too much pressure or simply cut short on shedule.
agile is very good provided the goal is not completely clear and there is time. many problems are not in this category but are thrown into it regardless just because it's a lot easier not to spec, and let the scrummies figure it out later, and take responsibility. and because it has become a business mantra.
its more process than it really needs to be, and the quality is STILL NOT THERE
this nails it.
the fuzz about different languages, i don't see that. it's actually refreshing. and the problem with COBO^H^H^H^H java isn't the language, it's the illustrated monkey environment built around it. no wonder it's the industries' preferred platform.
You're the problem with the software industry
software industry broadly just sucks. because it's driven mostly by shortsighted greedy morons and perception is often more important than substance. that's unless you happen to be in very specific environments (and those typically don't last for long). the guy is right. and he being good or bad at coding doesn't change the situation so your rant is uncalled for.
stop trying to occupy Israel, stop trying to steal Jewish land, stop trying to expell the Jews "into the sea" etc.The Arab and Muslim polulations of the world have 99% of the land in the middle east but they cannot have peaceful and successful societies without that little sliver of land that holds the one Holy site of the Jewish faith.
no wait a moment. we're talking about people dying here. let me first make it perfectly clear that i personally shit on your Holy site with capital letters. ok? IF you have anything to discuss rationaly then please keep your personal fantasies, against which i have absolutely nothing, for yourself. i can't possibly take you seriously if you put them in front of your argument. it means you have no valid argument (*) and you are just making a jerk of yourself.
I will develop some smattering of sympathy for the Palestinan civilians when they disassociate themselves from Hamas and Hezbollah and their stated goals to destroy Israel and kill all the Jews. I will develop more sympathy for them when they allow at least as much freedom
i don't think palestinians actually need your fucking sympathy. i guess they would be more than happy if you simply stopped robbing, expelling and killing them. thank you.
i hit 50 last sunday and been a developer since i can remember, and i still love my profession but the "guild" has changed an awful lot, from once being a peculiar bunch to the herd it mostly is today. most of my colleagues are much younger than me and ... what can i say ... they are often so brainwashed with corporate bullshit they break my heart almost daily. holy shit, they even blog about it! it's so depressing, it makes me wanna cry. :'(
sign'o'times, i guess. i can perfectly believe many of those sheep will cheerfully allow you to strap an eyetracker on them to check their nominal productivity.
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