Printing. I've got a HP Laserjet, and the basic printing works fine. Ghostscript rips PS to PCL just fine under Linux and OpenBSD. But under Linux, RedHat comes with an, IMHO, awesome magic filter. Just type 'lpr foo' and it'll figure out what foo is and Do The Right Thing. I spent a lot of time trying to write a magic filter for OpenBSD, and never really got it to work as well (mostly because some of the image and text-processors either wouldn't work, or because file gives the wrong answer for some image types).
RedHat printtool and print filters are nice, but they are not the _ONLY_ such software out there. magic filter is mmore powerful and flexible and certainly is available in OpenBSD ports.
Linux emulation. Everybody seems to say that the Linux emul under OpenBSD is the eighth wonder of the world, but my mileage definitely varied.
Actually I have never heard people paising Linux emulation in OpenBSD, I have necer used it myself. However, the FreeBSD linux emulation is very decent.
You're an idiot. I wonder why I am even bothering replying to your post. When you find a open source DB as stable and as scalable as Oracle and when you can find an open source OS that will efficiently run a 8 to 64 CPU boxes with dozens of gigabytes of RAM, you can rant, otherwise just shut up.
Linux does not scale as well as solaris does on big boxes. Hardware-wise and OS-wise Solaris running an a Quad CPU SUN E450 will eat alife _anything_ that was made by intel no matter what OS it runs or how many processors it has. And E450 is a relatively small SUN box, the E3500,E5500 scale aup to 16 processors and the famous "Starfire" SUN E10000 can have up to 64 processors, dozens of gigs of ram, etc. Microsft, Linux or Intel can't touch sun on the high end...
I am a strong Debian believer and I find this fact somewhat disappointing but not much. I use Slink, and I am retty happy with the software that slink includes. I even found places where you can find "unofficial" "official" slink deb packages for GNOME,KDE, WindowMaker, and latest XFree86, anything else really does not matter to me..
Well, if you want windowed, then you should probably go with NVidia or Matrox. Note that matrox glx drivers are open source and are being actively developed...
Our Sun SS10 (old pathetic 5 year old box with a 75mhz CPU/256MB ram) handles about 200,000 (mostly static) hits a day. This kind of load is _nothing_ for apache and unix.
I just hope the potato freeze will not take as long as slink. When slink froze it had ~150 release critical bugs, ~2000 packages, 4 architectures. It took about +4 months from freeze to release. Now, potato has +3000 packages, 5 architectures that are scheduled to release and ~230 relese critical bugs. I just home I will not have to wait for another 5 months for potato release, like it was with slink...
Since then, I have never been happier with any distro I've ever tried. Debian is absolutely wonderful, especially since I don't have to deal with dselect anymore (a simple dpkg --install on a deb will install it, similar to using rpm)
Dselect IS your friend, specially when running unstable. dpkg is a low level tool! To install something with dpkg you have to download it and then install it with dpkg. Dselect, searches for packages, gives their descriptions, sorts the dependecies downloads and installs everything, you NEVER have to download a deb by hand, ever.
Learn how to use dselect. I know that some people will start ranting that apt-get is better. Apt-get is not a dselect replacement. apt-get was designed to be used with dselect or console-apt(still very alpha) as frontend. There are many things that apt-get and dpkg won't do easily for you. Dselect was meant to make things easier. LEARN HOW TP USE IT.
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Yes, if you interrupt download you can continue later. Doing ftp installs over modem is much more convenient, you don't have to download "ALL for the stu'' only package that you need. AFAIK, only Debian and FreeBSD can do that...
Debian IS NOT difficult to install as long as you have some exprience with installing and configuring linux before. And eas of using Linux distributions is the same no matter what distrib you use. (Does bash or vi behave differently on redhat and SuSE, eh?) I think commercial distribution based on Debian is a good thing. Debian is arguably the highest quality asnd the best engineered distrib. But they had tough time getting into corporate IT deparments because Debian project does not provide commercial technical support and stuff. Companie like corel and this one will fix this...
Debian is arguably the best engineered distro. The Debian project encourages others to base their distribution on Debian GNU/Linux, and I think they'll succeed. Storm, Corel and now this one are gonna be based on Debian. This is probably going to be the really the same distribution, except that they might make installation a bit more (l)user friendly + add some documentation + tech support. This way Debian can make into corporate IT deparments IMHO.
Llynix: No, 100% of learning Linux is being such a fucking egotist that you're damned if you're going to come crawling to an IRC channel full of assholes to get your questions answered.
a) When applauding OpenLinux they are applauding a development which will lead to a linux code split. Caldera business model has always been to mix in as much proprietary software as possible, which will lead to the linux community splitting if ever Caldera gets to a point where they actually mean anything in the community. Their Netware technology and that windowmanager they had earlier are good examples. Examples of proprietary extensions in COL 2.3: Partition Magic and Lizard(QPL==proprietary)
RedHat ships Real Video client and Netscape 4.x whats your point?
Linux kernel Code Split? I don't think that any distribution will really want to do ANY propietary change/addon to an essential Linux component (not just the kernel) because they all know what happened to UNIX. Just because the ship the propietary PQ and Lizard does not mean they will make any propietary changes to kernel or parts of OS utilities in general.
Try to install Linux or NT or Linux on a typical Presario. Good luck. Show me ONE innovation by compaq. In PC market they are just OEM who makes shitty computers. They do have an Alpha division that makes its own CPUs, components and OSes, but Alpha != PC
This is bullshit. Compaq does not use the same components as Dell. At least on the home systems they SOLDER things like sound and video on motherboard, so forget about getting a better video card because there is no AGP slot.... The video cards are of course ATI which are the shittiest on the mnarket. The modems are the crap winmodems. Compaq companents ARE of lower quality.
Doh, the Compaq Alpha servers/stations are produced by the Digital division of Compaq which they bought a year ago. I DON'T think Compaq spends a penny from PC sales on the Alpha developemnt. If you want to help Alpha division, buy an AlphaStation/Server. And 95% compaq PCs are utter, worst pieces of crap I have ever seen when compared to good computers like Dell or Micron. See my post below.
Dell is a good company. They make good quality computers at very competitive prices. Compaq computers, on the other hand, are utter piece of crap, specially Presarios. You won't believe what you see when you open one of those. Very propietary, usually with a built in sound/video/winmodem, their computer are underpreformers. A 500mz P3 Presario can be beaten by a typical P2 400 Dell because of crap Compaq components. And don't even think of running linux on a Presario. Compaq DOES not support NT on Presarios, so you get the idea, they use crap Win9x-only hardware...
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Printing. I've got a HP Laserjet, and the basic printing works fine. Ghostscript rips PS to PCL just fine under Linux and OpenBSD. But under Linux, RedHat comes with an, IMHO, awesome magic filter. Just type 'lpr foo' and it'll figure out what foo is and Do The Right Thing. I spent a lot of time trying to write a magic filter for OpenBSD, and never really got it to work as well (mostly because some of the image and text-processors either wouldn't work, or because file gives the wrong answer for some image types).
RedHat printtool and print filters are nice, but they are not the _ONLY_ such software out there. magic filter is mmore powerful and flexible and certainly is available in OpenBSD ports.
Linux emulation. Everybody seems to say that the Linux emul under OpenBSD is the eighth wonder of the world, but my mileage definitely varied.
Actually I have never heard people paising Linux emulation in OpenBSD, I have necer used it myself.
However, the FreeBSD linux emulation is very decent.
You're an idiot. I wonder why I am even bothering replying to your post. When you find a open source DB as stable and as scalable as Oracle and when you can find an open source OS that will efficiently run a 8 to 64 CPU boxes with dozens of gigabytes of RAM, you can rant, otherwise just shut up.
Linux does not scale as well as solaris does on big boxes. Hardware-wise and OS-wise Solaris running an a Quad CPU SUN E450 will eat alife _anything_ that was made by intel no matter what OS it runs or how many processors it has. And E450 is a relatively small SUN box, the E3500,E5500 scale aup to 16 processors and the famous "Starfire" SUN E10000 can have up to 64 processors, dozens of gigs of ram, etc. Microsft, Linux or Intel can't touch sun on the high end ...
I am a strong Debian believer and I find this fact somewhat disappointing but not much. I use Slink, and I am retty happy with the software that slink includes. I even found places where you can find "unofficial" "official" slink deb packages for GNOME,KDE, WindowMaker, and latest XFree86, anything else really does not matter to me ..
Well, if you want windowed, then you should probably go with NVidia or Matrox. Note that matrox glx drivers are open source and are being actively developed ...
Our Sun SS10 (old pathetic 5 year old box with a 75mhz CPU/256MB ram) handles about 200,000 (mostly static) hits a day. This kind of load is _nothing_ for apache and unix.
If you want to play 3D games NOW and don't want to wait for months and months for XFree4.0 or promissed drivers, use 3DFx (Voodoo3?).
(still no Alpha RH6.1, though -- wonder why?)
Eh, don't forget Debian GNU/Linux 2.1 for Alpha.
I just hope the potato freeze will not take as long as slink. When slink froze it had ~150 release critical bugs, ~2000 packages, 4 architectures. It took about +4 months from freeze to release. Now, potato has +3000 packages, 5 architectures that are scheduled to release and ~230 relese critical bugs. I just home I will not have to wait for another 5 months for potato release, like it was with slink...
Since then, I have never been happier with any distro I've ever tried. Debian is absolutely wonderful, especially since I don't have to deal with dselect anymore (a simple dpkg --install on a deb will install it, similar to using rpm)
Dselect IS your friend, specially when running unstable. dpkg is a low level tool! To install something with dpkg you have to download it and then install it with dpkg. Dselect, searches for packages, gives their descriptions, sorts the dependecies downloads and installs everything, you NEVER have to download a deb by hand, ever.
Learn how to use dselect. I know that some people will start ranting that apt-get is better. Apt-get is not a dselect replacement. apt-get was designed to be used with dselect or console-apt(still very alpha) as frontend. There are many things that apt-get and dpkg won't do easily for you. Dselect was meant to make things easier. LEARN HOW TP USE IT.
Yes, if you interrupt download you can continue later. Doing ftp installs over modem is much more convenient, you don't have to download "ALL for the stu'' only package that you need. AFAIK, only Debian and FreeBSD can do that ...
Debian IS NOT difficult to install as long as you have some exprience with installing and configuring linux before. And eas of using Linux distributions is the same no matter what distrib you use. (Does bash or vi behave differently on redhat and SuSE, eh?) I think commercial distribution based on Debian is a good thing. Debian is arguably the highest quality asnd the best engineered distrib. But they had tough time getting into corporate IT deparments because Debian project does not provide commercial technical support and stuff. Companie like corel and this one will fix this ...
Debian is arguably the best engineered distro. The Debian project encourages others to base their distribution on Debian GNU/Linux, and I think they'll succeed. Storm, Corel and now this one are gonna be based on Debian. This is probably going to be the really the same distribution, except that they might make installation a bit more (l)user friendly + add some documentation + tech support. This way Debian can make into corporate IT deparments IMHO.
Compaq is the next
CGI _IS_ THE problem, not perl. When using mod_perl module instead plain old CGIs you do get a big server-side performance boost.
Quick question: Will this release make it into Debian potato?
Llynix: No, 100% of learning Linux is being such a fucking egotist that you're damned if you're going to come crawling to an IRC channel full of assholes to get your questions answered.
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a) When applauding OpenLinux they are applauding a development which will lead to a linux code split. Caldera business model has always been to mix in as much proprietary software as possible, which will lead to the linux community splitting if ever Caldera gets to a point where they actually mean anything in the community. Their Netware technology and that windowmanager they had earlier are good examples. Examples of proprietary extensions in COL 2.3: Partition Magic and Lizard(QPL==proprietary)
RedHat ships Real Video client and Netscape 4.x whats your point?
Linux kernel Code Split? I don't think that any distribution will really want to do ANY propietary change/addon to an essential Linux component (not just the kernel) because they all know what happened to UNIX. Just because the ship the propietary PQ and Lizard does not mean they will make any propietary changes to kernel or parts of OS utilities in general.
Slackware = For people who are stuck in 1995 and don't want to learn how to use better things like Debian which could save them hours of frustration
Debian = A distribution for people need a tool to get a real job done.
OpenBSD and NetBSD are "easier to a newbie" than Debian. What kind of crack are you smoking?
Dell's work fine for me, you haven't really supported Compaqs yet ..
Try to install Linux or NT or Linux on a typical Presario. Good luck. Show me ONE innovation by compaq. In PC market they are just OEM who makes shitty computers. They do have an Alpha division that makes its own CPUs, components and OSes, but Alpha != PC
This is bullshit. Compaq does not use the same components as Dell. At least on the home systems they SOLDER things like sound and video on motherboard, so forget about getting a better video card because there is no AGP slot.... The video cards are of course ATI which are the shittiest on the mnarket. The modems are the crap winmodems. Compaq companents ARE of lower quality.
Doh, the Compaq Alpha servers/stations are produced by the Digital division of Compaq which they bought a year ago. I DON'T think Compaq spends a penny from PC sales on the Alpha developemnt. If you want to help Alpha division, buy an AlphaStation/Server. And 95% compaq PCs are utter, worst pieces of crap I have ever seen when compared to good computers like Dell or Micron. See my post below.
Dell is a good company. They make good quality computers at very competitive prices. Compaq computers, on the other hand, are utter piece of crap, specially Presarios. You won't believe what you see when you open one of those. Very propietary, usually with a built in sound/video/winmodem, their computer are underpreformers. A 500mz P3 Presario can be beaten by a typical P2 400 Dell because of crap Compaq components. And don't even think of running linux on a Presario. Compaq DOES not support NT on Presarios, so you get the idea, they use crap Win9x-only hardware...