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WINE 991031 (Hallowine) Released
Egonis Similaris writes " WINE 991031 (Hallowine) has been released." My main personal WINE wish is to use it to run Quickbooks. Has anyone else gotten QB to work reliably under WINE?
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I love AOL to death! I'm sorry!
Only one (small, insignificant to some) caveat:
Watch your bandwidth when using VNC. The Linux client has some bandwidth control, but no such control was coded into the Windows version. When you have the Windows client up, it can be a real hog.
I'm hoping to hack some changes into their client code for Windows when I get some time. My wife is a Windows user, and when she's controlling the connection on the firewall from her machine the network takes a distinct hit.
LouZiffer
Trust me, the engine in HL is so old and crusty!
Do I need one?
AOL uses it's own proprietary communications protocol, Based on it's proprietary network. (I guess, I can't see any other reason for them to do this). That's why you have things like 'aol network interface' under windows, to allow you to connect to the net without using WAOL.
I heard that AOL was going to switch there interface at some point in the future, but until then, don't expect to be able to get on the net. Even if you can get the AOL shell up (witch requires IE4, I believe), you still won't be able to get the rest of the box connected to the net, unless there's a linux driver out.
You should really try to get your parents to drop AOL....
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Actually, they released a patch that allows WABI to run on > 256 color displays. It will only use 256 colors, but it can cope with 16 and 32 bit displays.
They also released a patch that allows sound to work. I can now get the cheesy Win 3.1 startup sound. Ah! The nostalgia! (or is that nausea?)
pickle!
Trust me. It does.
Why run that through Wine when there is a Linux SETI client available?
LICQ has message history. Right click on the person's nick and click on "history".
Ian Zink
It's worse than all the other ones.
Maybe it should not be "Windows Isn't a Nice Environment". Yeah?
...but the only thing I ever got to run under WINE was calculator.
hahahahhahahahha!!!
Hes' correct however. Maybe you should think before YOU post.
Hell yeah..... Get NZ and then Make dummie files of all the .dll (except Javai.dll) to get rid of that damn ad banner.
The epitome of resource managing, ship building, space exploring, empire games. And it's basically a Win3.11 app, so it's ALWAYS worked under Wine!
Yay for Stars! Yay for Wine!
You are wrong, but I am wrong too. It's neither of these.
I wish I did it back then. *sigh*
I have no idea why OS/2. I work for a leasing company, and will not be the fellow actually using it. From the paperwork, it looks like they'll be high-capacity intranet/workgroup servers. The company is simultaneously early-returning the six NT boxen we leased them last year, so draw your own conclusion.
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Hell yeah..... Get NZ and then Make dummie files of all the .dll (except Javai.dll) to get rid of that damn ad banner. NetZero download
see?
Yes, pirate everything! Steal, steal, steal! Don't you at all worry that the VMWare code belongs to the people who wrote it and you have no right whatsoever to use it when it's not licensed to you. And don't you worry about those programmers at VMWare who are going to lose their jobs because thousands of other people like you were just too cheap to either pay the $99 or not use their product.
It is incorrect that it is incorrect that it is incorrect.
Does WINE actually stand for anything, i.e. WINdows Emulator? I've never seen any mention of this on the web site. If not, what does the name come from?
I have not tried the latest version of Eudora with Wine. The last time it wanted all sorts of MFC dlls. I will have to try it again.
I have tried to get Qualcomm to do a Linux port. No answer yet. The current version of Eudora is VERY nice. (The multi-threading is sweet!) This is something I would pay for all over again. Anything to get away from the great beast of Redmond.
"Trademarks are the heraldry of the new feudalism."
-- .sig files go when they die?
Child: Mommy, where do
Mother: HELL! Straight to hell!
I've never been the same since.
Just like driving a car:
(D) to go forward
(R) to go backward
It is incorrect that it is incorrect that it is incorrect that it is incorrect.
I haven't tried quickbooks under wine, but I run it just fine and dandy with VMware.
Joseph Elwell.
It is incorrect that it is incorrect that it is incorrect that it is incorrect that it is incorrect!
What the heck? It _is_ true, stop saying it isn't!
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Windows 95/98 can run with the windows 3.1 interface
Change the line "shell=Explorer.exe" in the C:\windows\system.ini file, to "shell=progman.exe". You'll need to make all those '.grp's again though
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I second that notion. Actually, I'd settle for plain ol Quicken. That's about the only reason I boot up Winders any more. Anybody know if it works w/ WINE? If so, I know what I'm doing tonight.
Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations.
why so?
It looks like www.netledger.com is a good alternate to QuickBooks. It even as an option to upload your QB datafile and populate your database on their server.
BTW, I tried uploading my file *.qbb and it failed saying that it expects *.qbw.
Unfortunately its not free. They charge $4.95/month.
Has anyone tried it ?
And DN.
Depends on a couple of factors:
1/ In australia software can be decompiled for the use of making a compatable product. So if Win9x is decompiled probably faster.
2/ However also less and less knowlage is known about the remaining API's and some weird API functions are going to be dificult to replicate without decompiling.
The telnet program that comes with Win9x works under wine.
Seems that the last thing I heard about Wine is that it had really kinda been taken under Corel's wing (with Corel's paid developers) and was working up to being a devel environment. I'm not too sure how many people remember this, but I'm curious to know what the heck is happening with all of this.
1) I have never found a decent use for wine. I don't really use the prod apps for Win9x, and if I want to play games, it's best to go native.
2) Corel made it sound like the wine project was going the route of making it easier to greate cross-platform code for Windows and Linux. Was this the "entire" project? Or was this just the end they were working on? Is the "main" project still emulation while Corel runs a splinter project concerned with creating an IDE and backing libs??
What Corel was gamming on to sounded interesting, but there is definately room for both. I noticed a few posts mentioned that app support seemed to be getting worse lately. Is this the result of the "new direction", or what?
The final possibility is that I read a press release with very little basis in reality. (as with most press releases.)
So I'm looking for some of you "Wineeies" to come on down and school me up on the wine skinny.
Muchas Gracias!
~Jason Maggard
"If we ban hemp due to it's relationship to marajuana, we should ban grapes due to their relationship to wine."
Well, if AOL is the 'macintosh' of the ISP world, then a PPP link would be the "Windows98", in otherwords, just as easy. I've setup several dialup networking scripts without entering *any* information other then the username, password, and phonenumber. I was getting free internet for quite a while with a L/P of 'test/test'. I didn't even know what ISP I was using (Well I did, but it didn't matter)
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borrow a small hd....
/windows/system files etc. etc
unplug linux-drive
plug in small hd...
Install winblows
unplug small hd re-plug as slave
plug back in linux-drive
boot
copy necessary
to directory on linux drive...
edit wine.conf
format windoze off of small hd (don't wanna contaminate anything)
chuck small drive back into parts box
Friends don't let friends buy Compaq's. (Dell/Gateway... same same) You want a good computer? Build it yourself.
Dang it, used the last of my points on the Nanotech thread.
Please moderate the previous post as informative
AFAIK, nothing needs to know the Wine version number except the user. Is your brain Y2K compliant, or will you believe that Wine 00xxxx is a hundred years old?
-- The Brory Stool Co.: We accidentally the best stools from behind seven proxies, since 2009.
Well, most viruses are hard-coded to windows, I would think, and wouldn't work without the apropriate filestructure.
On the otherhand, it would be posible for a virus writer to target Wine along with 9x and NT if they really wanted.... (of course, you still have to deal with per-user security on linux, A virus couldn't kill linux unless it ran as root)
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Are you an idiot? Please go to www.vmware.com. It came out for Linux first.
Well, the subject says it all...
Why use SETI?
I thought, though I am often mistaken, that SETI was an inefficient use of processor time, and that they were sending out already-hashed-over data again because people were working through the data faster than they could collect it. Anybody know the deal?
Insert mind here.
So, when will they fix the y2k bug in the version number?
Have you tried gqview? It is a nice ACDSee-like application.
Team Fortress Classic is an add-on to HL, and uses the HL engine... It doesn't make much sense to reccommend a game because the engine it uses sucks.. :) Of course, maybe you mean Team Fortress, which uses the Quake 1 engine. Naah, that couldn't be it. WHo would call the HL engine obsolete in the face of Quake Classic? :) HL is da bomb. Single Player. Not multiplayer. However, TFC more than makes up for this, being one of the best multiplayer games for a first person shooter ever. Of course, UT's almost out, so Im sure Ill have to rethink that. Toodles
Toodles D. Clown
What? It came out for running on Smart Cards first! It was a tad slow, running on a 8-bit micro, but it's neat to run Linux/BeOS/WinNT on it. You should try it. You are crazy!
hahahahahahaha
What version of word/excel have you tried ? I can't get them to work ..
resilience is futile
Because HL is not based on the Quake 2 engine, it's based on the Pong engine. Sure, it's upgraded a little, but it sucks donkey balls. Now, TFC on the other hand, I think they use some sort of advanced NASA simulation engine. Really. The original TF used CGA graphics, but I was not talking about that. Ta ta.
yeah. I have to agree that it was too much work to compile from src (esp on linux...), I felt like I should be getting paid...
/usr/local/share/gnucash/scm/bootstrap.scm
... anyway once it was running it looks pretty nice, but I'd like to feel that there was significant momentum behind it before I dump all of my financial data into it.
... like the gtk stuff... the could ditch a lot of crud with gtk/gnome bindings, what are they waiting for? gtk1.3? gnome2.0? and a lot of the nonstandard stuff that it requires to compile doesn't seem to be well maintained either.
Would be easier to start from scratch and write gnome-cash?
maybe they should change the name to PatheticCash?
gnucash: bootstrap file is
(Register #(Register foo 50-foo boolean foo something # # #f #f #f #f))
It does, I have to agree.
Please Note: I'm only posting this as a reply to this partcular message because it has a mission web site attached, and is thus likely to generate a large response.
Everyone, please, Please PLEASE be nice when you talk to Intuit, or any other commercial (or non-commercial) manufacturer. In this particular case, remember a couple of things:
Intuit is in business to make money, not software.
The phone rep who quoted the "two calls" figure was probably just making this up, or at the very best, basing this number on their own personal recollections.
(OK, so more than a couple of things) We tend to exaggerate both large and small events ourselves. The CSR could have been expressing that he/she receives very few requests for a Linux version when compared to the volume of calls from PAYING CUSTOMERS who can't seem to print, or something.
Now, I know that some of us actually are paying customers. I myself have asked for a Linux version of both Quickbooks and Quicken via both Intuit's suggestion form, and during telephone calls.
Everyone just remember: BE POLITE!!
I got it to work under Office 97 RH 6.1 I used the RPM's.. ChiefArcher
I just signed a PO for five IBM servers with brand spanking new copies of IBM OS/2 Warp on them from the factory. IBM still supports it!
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Me too.
I got ICQ 99a working under Wine 990925 or some release similar using the '-winver win95' argument. I got it to start up and everything. I could look at the history and mess around, but ICQ would not connect to the server. It seems like ICQ99a at least is getting close to working stages, just need to get it to connect to the server. Before I tried ICQ99a, however, I made sure that before I closed ICQ down in Windows for the last time I made sure it wasn't docked on the side (I don't think Wine implements that yet) and rather than being anything on the task bar not working I think the problem was more that it might have been docked on the side of the screen.
Entertained the idea of moving a number of desktops to X on Linux in the past. We have two custom apps written using MS FoxPro that would have to be supported. I tried running them under WINE without any luck. Never found anyone who has had luck using foxpro apps with WINE. Any new developments with the new 'hallowine' release? Will probably be trying this out next week but would like to know if anyone else has had luck with foxpro under WINE?? Thanks! Jason Klein jr_klein@all-spam.yahoo.com Kill 'all-spam' if you'd like to email!
ACDSee runs fine except when you are looking at the thumbnails the file names are over the images instead of below them. and I don't mean on top of the image I mean ON them. Other then that I was playing with it for about 30 minutes yesterday using the latest wine and couldn't find anything else wrong. I was impressed. The only good alternative to ACDSee is http://www.compupic.com/ which has a linux version available and it's very nice.
I don't think any "tray icon only" programs will run with wine yet. As someone has already said licq runs very nicely and has a history and all that stuff.
Mr. Roblammo,
Do you know how to check WINE's database survay to find out which app works and which doesn't?
you are welcome.
Not flamebait..other than to say Mozilla bites & Wine is a great way to fill in while we wait for appz.
I would really like to see MS pop a cap into these bastards. And I hate MS.
"Linux is obsolete."
-- Andy Tanenbaum
'Nuff said
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"I already have all the latest software."
It does a lot of the things that Quicken does but GnuCash doesn't (check printing, reminders, etc). http://seanreilly.com/java/moneydance.
It's written in Java so it's a little slower, but it gets the job done.
..er, that is..if I had to. Pac*Bell DSL rocks my world. My gf has forgotten what I look like, and is probably cheating on me, I don't care. My commute has halved because I cant be away from the sweet sweet bandwidth for too long. Every storage device I own is at 90%+ capacity..filled with MP3s, warez & pr0n. My only social communication is via email..since my friends got DSL too, we never go anywhere.
Wait, I think I'm the one smoking crack. Will someone please steal my computers?
I know a bunch of ppl at Qualcomm..according to them, no they have no plans of a unix or linux port. I hope they change their minds though. And this is lomion, im posting AC coz dont have my password here.
Wine has always been 2 projects in one. The actual Windows API reimplementation (WineLib) and a binary loader (Wine, or "the emulator part" as some people refer to it) which loads windows EXE and DLL files and hooks them up with the API stuff in WineLib. The binary loader itself is basically small and bugless - .EXE files are typically a lot less sophisticated than Unix ELF binaries and shared libraries so there's not much to do there in the first place.
:)
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So, Corel has put a lot of work into the Windows reimplementation end of things, reorganizing Wine's COM support and header files so you can now compile MFC (which contains a fair amount of MS "insider coding", although luckily you get the source with MSVC++) under WineLib. They also paid Cygnus to do the anonymous struct and union patches which everyone now gets to enjoy in GCC 2.95.2. As a result of this work they now have a common codebase between Windows and Linux for their office applications.
The best part is they've been willing to do all this work to the specs of Wine's current "Linus", Alexandre Julliard. So wine's gotten a ton of good professional work on stuff the regular spare-time developers would have taken much longer on. We now have a solid infrastructure for Win32 threading, impressive OLE/COM support, a much more debugged user interface, and lots of common controls.
As a result it's almost more accurate to say Corel was under Wine's wing - they've had patches rejected due to conflicts with Alexandre's architectural vision, and promptly resubmitted them with everything fixed. I wish all companies involved in open source were that way
Anyway, the first stage of that involvement's coming to a close. Corel naturally won't tell us their actual progress with their apps, but they are known to be working on an installer now and their recent patches have been for progressively more obscure bugs. Incidentally, their work has made a lot of other applications work much better too. ModPlug Tracker, a popular Windows tracker-style music application, now works with nary a glitch on Wine. Less than 6 months ago it was unstable and full of graphical glitches.
And as far as claims that app support is getting worse, that's generally false. As with any large project there are frequently bugs that break certain apps, and sometimes apps work accidentally due to combinations of bugs and stop when that bug is fixed. Most people track the "official" releases instead of CVS so something breaks and they don't see that it's fixed again the next day in CVS and end up with the wrong impression
-Ian, wine-devel but not speaking for 'em.
No. They start an Explorer window, but not the taskbar or tray.
If you're running Win98 (or an IE4 desktop?) then Explorer won't run unless it's the shell.
I have not personally tried to work Quickbooks under any other platform, including WINE, but I DO know that there is a plan in the works for later versions of the program (Quicken also) to work under a Linux Kernel.
Stay tuned for more details.
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"Geeks, Where would you be without them?"
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"Geeks, Where would you be without them?"
"Got Linux?"
Unlike WINE, Project Odin actually converts the Windows app into a native OS/2 application. The EXE and DLL's are modified so that OS/2 can load them, and a Win32 equivalent of the DLL's is provided. Odin also has a very cool feature where it intercepts the loader and actually convers a Windows EXE/DLL into an OS/2 EXE/DLL on the fly. This lets you run your Windows apps under OS/2 in a truly seamless fashion.
Actually, that's exactly what WINE does. Remember: Wine Is Not an Emulator, it just converts winxx executables to ELF, then links it into winelib. That's why you can't run wine on other platforms besides the x86.
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"I already have all the latest software."
server is already active for display 0
Any ideas how to get around this? I'm running XFree86 3.3.5 Thanks
Wine will never be a complete 100% compatible implementation of the windows API. Even microsoft cannot implement a 100% compatible implementation of the win 3.x api in 95 or 98. Their answer to compatibility problems is naturally that we should upgrade to the win32 version of program X. Wine will never achieve 100% compatibility, instead what we will see are windows applications that are designed to run on wine as well as win9x/2000. All wine has to do is get 98% or more of the way there and achieve a reasonable market share. Of course we will also see microsoft intentionally breaking their products so that they will not run on wine. Which come to think of it may actually help wine since it would be like shining a spotlight on incompatibilities and creating the need to resolve them. Who knows, if that happens wine may be more compatible than windows, or at least more stable.
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Although I am not the original poster who said that he/she got Excel and Word running on Wine, I managed to do the same. I have a Office97 installation disk collecting dust on my bookshelf and decided to give it a try. The installer cocks up, stating that it can't read certain files on the CD-ROM, but if I run Excel straight from the disk it runs. I managed to put a bar-chart in it. Loading and saving documents doesn't work however. The same applies to Word. This was all done on a machine which has never been touched by a Windoze installation.
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Did you have 'Doze native DLLs on the box? Or use Wine's open source replacements?
I've seen more Linux ICQ clients than... well, nevermind. Nonetheless, there are a lot -- many of which are far better than kicq. I personally use gtkicq at the moment, but will be switching to Jabber (which supports ICQ, AIM, IRC and more to come, all at the same time, or, when using its own protocol, actually has some excuse for security -- well, this may still be on the drawing board, but the release will, and an excuse for security's far more than ICQ and AIM have right now).
As for Intuit's stuff, the 16-bit versions should work pretty well under WINE -- and I can personally vouch for the fidelity of Minesweeper's performance.
This is offtopic. Native linux apps are better than Windoze apps already. Wine has not been made to integrate Windoze apps into your Linux box. That would be saying DosEmu should be burned because it runs in real mode. Sheesh....
Has anyone checked this out? How is it related to the things Corel is doing?
http://www.codeweavers.com/twine/index.shtml
-- "As a human being I claim the right to be widely inconsistent", John Peel
I last tried WINE in May, and tried installing several apps. They ALL failed during the installation process, with the exception of a talking dictionary program (which did work to a certain extent). I tried Visual Age/Java, Hasbro's Risk, Stardock's Entrepreneur, an encyclopedia, a couple shareware games, MS Office 4.3, and I think a couple other things.
I have a 100% Microsoft free system and intend to keep it that way. But it seems like most people only get things to work when they have a 'Doze partition and install on that end. When are the Wine folks going to concentrate on getting installers working? If installers don't work, how is the real thing supposed to work?
Hopefully progress has been made in that area recently. But I don't intend to try Wine again until I get a new computer with XFree 4, hopefully in January...
Eudora is probably the best email client I have ever used. I love the organization of the features and it is nice and speedy. Fortunately the damn thing isn't full of bloatware like Outlook; it just does what it does well: email.
/. action to alert them to the fact that many of us would use Eudora at home and at the office if it was available.
If Qualcomm decided to make Eudora for Linux, I am sure I am not the only one who would run out and buy it. Perhaps we need some
Which versions of Word and Excel can you run? Office 97 and Office 2000 require Internet Explorer to be installed, and the licensing terms for IE try to stop you running it on any platform other than Windows. This fits in with Microsoft's view that IE is part of the operating system, but it's also a way of effectively tying Office to Windows.
Are the Wine people working on a replacement for the DLLs from Internet Explorer, so that we can run all the MS and non-MS applications that depend on it?
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
Think before you post!!
ahah i'm not the same guy but i figured I'd ride the stupid freakin bandwagon.
Not so true any more. It's possible to run useful applications on a 100% Microsoft Free(tm) system.
-- Ed Avis ed@membled.com
By emulating Windows, you are validating Windows. Write better native Linux applications, and then you beat Windows on its own turf. KDE/GNOME are a step in the right direction. This is the true Windows killer.
Thanks! Works perfectly!!
Th1nk b3f0r3 y0u p0zT!!
think! b4 U post,
Well yea, and ICQ :) if I could get those two working right (sorry but kicq is still crap) I'd say goodbye to windows forever, welll after a found a good minesweeper clone :)
Anyone had any success running Eudora with WINE?
Can your IM do this?
Anyone got Smartdraw (http://www.smartdraw.com) to work? The installer works and the application kind of starts but it doesn't work from there. Didn't see Smartdraw mentioned in the list of tested applications.
I'm trying to convince her to switch to Linux, as it'll run -much- better, has drivers for ALL her hardware, and I suspect would be more intuitive for her. She's VERY reluctant to touch it, though, if it won't run her sofware, which is largely Windows 3.1-based.
I've looked through the software database, but it's so out-of-date, they might as well have a GIF of a question mark there, instead. But, if WINE is at (or even close to) the point of being usable, and can run banking Windows 3.1 software and Eudora, then I -may- be able to convince her to switch.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Name me one e-mail client for linux (fetchmail is NOT an e-mail client) that can do:
1. multiple POP addresses
2. Properly render HTML (or RTF) formatted mail (sadly, is getting to be nearly mandatory)
3. Extensive filtering, sorting, folders, etc. etc.
4. and doesn't crash.
I tried Mahogany *segfault, core dumped*
I tried Netscape *one POP account, sorry*
I tried Balsa, TkRat, Pine, Elm, Gmail, even good old 'mail' None of them cut it.
Right now I'm using K-Mail, because it does multiple POP's, but quite frankly it isn't cutting it either. I'd love to write my own, but sadly I'm only just getting started programming.
I did have Eudora Pro 3.1 running nearly flawlessly in a past version of wine. It did mostly everything I needed.
...is the interface to the database of working applications on their web page. There is no rhyme or reason to the order of the entries.
any version of delphi that is... or am i hoping for too much!
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I'm running Word and Excel 97 SR-2. Now, I do have a complete Win98 install on the old DOS partition, including IE4, so perhaps if IE is required, they're just relying on the one that's installed over there? (I might add, IE4 almost works; I can start to view simple web pages before it kicks me to the debugger.)
I'm not running entirely "Windowsless" on this laptop, I just never have to _boot_ Windows to get anything done. *smiles*
I am unsure of the answer to the "replacement DLL's" question. My guess is that eventually some of that will be taken care of, at least the bits that have somehow supposedly become part of the API, if it's really necessary. But I wasn't aware that Word and Excel 97 required IE (don't know about 2000). I'm sure they automatically install it given half the chance, though (like most other MS products).
Here goes: WINE Is Not an Emulator...BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FRIGGIN' WORK. No but seriously, I think the team has done a great job, but this thing just doesn't work. When was the last time you got WINE working well with ANYTHING?? I think I've gotten solitaire up and working without crashing or bizarre behavior. THAT'S IT. I've _almost_ gotten a few others that came close, but almost doesn't cut it. Perhaps one day...
Interested in open source engine management for your Subaru?
...it worked. Sort of. That is to say, you could load the program and go through some basic functions, but I certainly wouldn't try to print; Some of the layout was incorrect also.
However, this was back around June or so, and WINE's made fantastic progress since then (but then again, when isn't it making fantastic progress?). If the Win32 version doesn't work, btw, try the 16-bit one; That often helps (it certainly did with Quicken).
[Btw, at the time that I'm posting it, this isn't redundant. Should it become so later, I'd appretiate not being moderated down on that regard].
Wrong, please try again.
you should use X -bpp 8 :1 if you're already running a server on :0.
I had this dream while I was camping for a month or so a while back that "Dingo" was a newsreader much like agent but for linux version 2.6 had just arrived in my deam it had a text version aswell, alot of my dreams come true so you never know :).
Go away.
Quicken is the single most-requested app for a Linux port. Intuit could make a bundle with a port. However, if their pointy-haired types don't wanna do it, that's their business.
:)
What I can't understand is why some Loki-like company doesn't simply go to Intuit and say "millions of Linux users want Quicken. License the source code to us, we'll port it, and you'll make money off every copy sold and not have risked a dime."
Anyone want to start a "Loki for business apps" company with me?
I thought I couldn't find someone worse than me. I just did. Wow.
The only REAL things that kept me from switching over is AOL. My parents pay for AOL (and I never turn a free thing down), so I use it as my ISP. Does AOL run okay with WINE?
Dijital
Diji
"I came, I saw, I WTF'd!"
VMWare for Linux does, of course, exist.
Wow...servers with OS/2 preinstalled..for what enviroment and why? Why OS/2 and not *nix or *BSD or even NT? I've never heard of anyone buying OS/2 for serving, or at least surviving it.
"Nobody owns the fucking words man." - James Dean
So does WINE accelerate now in its successful replacement of Windows API, or will it bog down and stall out trying to guess the last 10-5% of the remaining quirks/undocumented weirdness of win32? What do you think and why?
Aren't there enough high quality email clients available already? Why do we need a port of Eudora? I had nothing but problems with Eudora in Windows crashing and taking up 100% CPU time whenever it was sending or receiving mail.
Maybe YOU should think before you post.
Check out the WebAccountant project, an attempt at organizing folks to write web-based accounting software using Perl and Postgres. It's a little stalled right now, just waiting for some excited and creative programmers to come along and get things going.
Anyone had any success running Eudora with WINE?
As a matter of fact, I have. The latest free version with Wine990704. I haven't tried it with a more recent version yet.
The graphics on the buttons are messed up, but fortunately each button comes up with one of those little text windows that says its function.
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i can get the intro animation, 3dfx splash logo, and it brings up the game meu (real purty) but i lose mouse support in the game and cannot do anything. it also does real weird things to my video card unless i run it on a second X server, and exit with a ctrl-alt-bkspc.
gg
gg
Dr.Whiz-Bang
There was another package that was anounced on slashdot a few weeks ago about a "winelib" type programming package that is coming so people can just cross compile.. dunno if we will see that..
I get solitaire to run, i've had other programs run, but once they work *DON'T* upgrade or make any changes, or else it may blow up.
I'd like to see wine start from square one. They have plenty of code to scavange through, they have a HUGE amount of the API documented and coded, but the project has evolved into such a beast that it limits out any growth in a direction that wasn't planned for a few years back.
Make a 1.0 milestone, say in 1.0 we will support Windows 3.1 apps, in 1.1 we will support win32, in 2.0 we will support Win95, in 3.0 we will support NT or whatever it may be.. but make it work for one layer, produce a 1.0 binary, get it in use, get the quirks resolved, have the foundation, learn from your mistakes, if it needs some re-work, re-work it, and then evolve it on up (only after feature locks, and then feature planning)
The goal of the WINE API is to make porting Windows apps to Linux a snap. Thanks to the awesome progress of WINE, it won't be long before we see a flood of native Linux apps.
I know some people report success running Half-Life in Wine, but I'm not one of them. I have the files from a fresh Win95 install available if I need any of them, and could get 98's. Anyone have a fairly detailed howto?
Particularly, the latest release (Hallowine) manages to sort of run until the "Gordon Loading Screen", then gives me the debugging prompt.
Who cares about the Y2K problem, I'm just hoping that Wine will fix the W2K problem.
What happens if you run a program in WINE that you didn't know was infected? Can it still affect Windows DLL's and Windows files the way it does in windows? Or does the virus get lost and fall down and go boom?
Yo!
I was using Quickbooks under WINE with limited success. I couldn't print at all and some reports would cause it to crash. But entering and reviewing invoices was okay. This was with a April'ish version of WINE.
DrWatt
Are we talking about the same Pagemill that's on sale on Adobe's web site in Mac and Win9x versions?
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Based on a comment I saw posted on Linux today with the WINE announcement, I tried Quicken Deluxe 99 last night and it works! Far from perfectly, of course. The Quicken home page doesn't display at all, but the register and calendar stuff seemed to work fine.
Last time I tried WINE was about 6 months ago, and QuickBooks Pro 4.5 _almost_ worked. The screen seemed to paint properly, but I couldn't type into any of the edit fields. As far as I know (and I've never checked and I don't care too much), the 4.5 binary is 16-bit or perhaps a 16-bit/32-bit hybrid (using Win32s), so this may have had something to do with it.
No, your thinking about GNU=(G)NU is (N)ot (U)nix :)
LINUX simply is a take off from the name Linus and the word Unix.. Linus accually originally called it something based on minux.. though I forget, but the ftp site owners choose to call the directory it was stored in LINUX and the name sticked. Though it is sorta a backrym (an acronym created after the fact) like BASIC which was just indented to be a "Basic" programming language.. after the fact people said.. hmmmmm. that must stand for something and came up with some acronym.. of which I've currently blocked from memory, but I'm sure you could look up
Word 95 works great with the new release of Wine. The last time I tried (with an august release) it would freeze when you used the open file dialoge box. This version seems very usable, I played with it for quite a while, opening files, changing things, saving them - it all worked perfectly. Excel 95 works, but the screen drawing is pretty poor. If you don't force it to refresh frequently, you end up with a mess. I would consider Word 95 perfectly usable in its current state. Excel still needs work.
I have Redhat 5.2 installed on my Multia. I have talked about getting a broswer to work on that machine for some time now, without my effort and success.
If I were to d/l this latest release of WINE:
1. Would the Redhat 5.2 files of WINE work with my alpha installation?
2. Assuming 1. - Would I be able to use navigator/exploder under WINE on the alpha?
thx.
-d9
Wine hmm
....
great piece of reverse engineering those actualy comitting code can brag for the rest of their lives those that moan shall
(bug reporting involes actualy finding out exactly whats wrong)
>>>ALOT of the software that runs on windows is only there because of the market demanded it now its their to stay
>>>Groupware big word but LOTUS ownes this and the server runs on linux and solaris and AS400 and whatever BUT the client still has way to many win32 Hooks in it for them to easily port it
(WAKE UP I WILL PAY LOADS OF MONEY FOR IT LOTUS)
these are all I use windows for
regards
john
a poor student @ bournemouth uni in the UK (a deltic so please dont moan about spelling but the content)
I called Intuit just now, she said that they cannot say if there is a native Linux version
planned.
She did say that I was only the SECOND PERSON to
ask for it.
Intuit: 1-800-446-8848
I have a hard time to believe that I am only the second person to ask for it.
Maybe we need an open source version of QuickBooks ?
How you doing man.
Hey, do you happen to have an old Adaptec ISA SCSI card around? I want to install OpenBSD, but the card I have in now is unsupported.
Well, you also have to keep in my mind that I do use crack cocaine and I live in the ghetto.
Ain't no class, but the class war,
-bladder-
I know Licq supports it, BUT.. I don't want to start an ICQ History all over again.. I've been on ICQ since 1996.. I have a LARGE history database... and I value it, even if it is on a POS chatting software that only runs under winblowz (sigh...).. Now if Licq supports the SAME ICQ Database format, or provides a means of converting it.. THEN that would be awesome and I would jump on Licq in a heart beat.. until then.. I'm looking forward to an OFFICIAL ICQ Linux release, or ICQ working under WINE so that I can continue to use the same database.
Thanks,
-Matthew
I know Licq supports it, BUT.. I don't want to start an ICQ History all over again.. I've been on ICQ since 1996.. I have a LARGE history database... and I value it, even if it is on a POS chatting software that only runs under winblowz (sigh...).. Now if Licq supports the SAME ICQ Database format, or provides a means of converting it.. THEN that would be awesome and I would jump on Licq in a heart beat.. until then.. I'm looking forward to an OFFICIAL ICQ Linux release, or ICQ working under WINE so that I can continue to use the same database.
Thanks,
-Matthew
yes, I've seen ALOT of comments like that.. Where people are getting ICQ to load, but not to connect. I see the same things mentioned in WINEHQ's appdatabase. I wonder if it has anything to do with them still working on the WINSOCK implemntation? How would I go about getting my problem submitted to the WineDev team so that they might see the light and start working faster on it? For me.. Its the ONLY THING still keeping me in windows.. I value communication, and sadly, I choose to have all my contacts right thru ICQ.. and its hard to switch away from that, or to give up all the features ICQ DOES offer. And it :)
sounds like WINE is VERY close to having ICQ work, which is excellent news.. but lets see if we can add some fuel to the fire, as I'm sure I'm not the only want that wants to run it under wine..
-Matthew
Lotus Notes under WINE:
http://www.brooklinesw.com/linux/l inuxnotes.html
Has anyone gotten it to work with AOL yet?
Specifically, WABI cannot run any win 3.1 software that depends on the win32 extentions. This does leave a lot of software that can run, however. I do have 2 programs I would love to run under WABI that won't, due to this limitation: FrameMaker 5 and Pixar Typestry.
WABI works OK, but there are a few shortcomings. Quicken 98 runs, but I cannot access the modem or network under it, for some reason, so I cannot use it for online banking (Quicken requires that you register it before you can access the online banking features. Thanks, guys). SimCity 2000 (WIn 3.1 version) won't install.
Eventually, I plan on setting WABI up to that it will run in an Xnested server. Right now, it basically draws on the screen by itself, so its windows are always on top. Fairly annoying.
Of course, soon I plan to have a new PC capable of running VMWare, so I can use all of my current NT programs while still running Linux...
The 4.x Win32 Notes client has been functional under wine for some time. Most functionality is there and the stability is pretty good too. The 991031 wine release only improves on this. Now I just have to find time to try the R5.x Notes client (which hasn't worked well with previous wine releases). See the Notes for Linux Resource Page Here for more info.
winelib is being developed along with Wine.. the same group of people
Well I guess my subject is decieving because there are multiple problems with wine. Before I start ranting about these problems I would like to make it clear that there is no disrespect meant towards the developement team of wine- they are doing a good job.
- In my personal experience with wine, the success of wine is greatly dependant upon native window files, dll's mostly. This is fine if you are dual booting or happened to have that hd with a windows partition on it. But I switched to an all linux box and do not want to waste the space on setting aside space to install a os that I will never use just so that I can have the libraries.
- This one is just really a extension of #1 (oh well)- there is no truly documented alternative to native windows libraries. I have never found any information on running with wine with foreign (non-M$) libraries. I hope this problem is quickly disproven in a flame!
- Everbody and their dog is using wine. This is good but bad. In my experience wine is not even beta quality, which is fine, but there is such a large user base. This might just be a large scale of the bazaar model but I am afraid that the current quality of wine coupled with the user base will give it a bad name.
- Wine seems to have very little focus. Wine seems to be implementing new windows stuff even thought they do not have all the basic old stuff down. I speculate this is because that wine is powered to some extent by the gamers who demand the new stuff for their games are willing to either patch or bitch about it until it is implemented.
Most people will say that the real problem is the last one that I stated, that simply has no focus. But in my humble little opinion my problem is currently the first on I stated.Every time a new version of WINE comes out, I try the following apps:
.DLLs from another Lose machine I have access to, and things went from bad to worse (I suspect it's because I don't have the same hardware, so some DLLs are completely fscking wrong). Since the machine I want to use all this on is wholly linux, never to be sullied by M$, I don't have the option of installing under Lose and then copying over.
- Quicken 98 (last version to offer win3.1 support)
- TurboTax
- SimCity 2000
And sad to say, later versions have had WORSE results. I realize that I could *probably* replace quicken w/ gnucash, but AFAIK, there's no replacement for TurboTax. And, well, SC2K is just SO addictive (not to mention SCC for Palm).
Has anyone had any success with these apps? I've even tried snarfing the
I realize that there's the option to try VMware, but I've heard Bad Things about VMware for Linux & SMP machines (albeit annecdotally, and I don't know the particular setup). Not to mention that it would entail having to sully my machine w/ Lose 95/98/NoThanks.
It'll be nice when Wine is to the point where it's support for "foreign binaries" like java and no one needs to even think to run it (mind you, thinking is a Good Thing).
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." --H.L. Mencken
Actually, to my knowledge there are a bunch of open-source accounting systems for Linux/*nix. Some of them can import Quicken files. Don't know about GnuCash specifically, though. There's a general summary here for those interested.
Looks to me like she should be using OS/2. It has the world's most powerful (and very intuitive) user interface, runs Windows 3.1 apps really well, and has great support for older hardware. She can install her Windows apps onto an HPFS partition, so her disk I/O will skyrocket. She can also run any or all of her Windows 3.1 apps in separate processes, so that if one of them crashes, it won't take the others with it. She can also run the apps seamlessly on the desktop, so that she won't have to run the Program Manager but can launch them directly from the WPS.
As for WINE, well, it's being ported to OS/2 and merged with Project Odin (formerly Win32-OS/2). The OS/2 version has a special feature that lets you run Windows binaries directly from the command line or desktop, because the EXE loader has been enhanced to load Win32 apps and convert them to OS/2 apps on the fly.
I'd say that OS/2 is just what she needs.
And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start
To mold a new reality... closer to the heart
Anyone know how to get Timbuktu (a remote control application) to run under wine? It sort of ran, Installed, started, and could be used for some functions, under a very old version of wine (early 1998) but in every version I have tried ever since then it will not even install. Anyone have any experience? This is my "one application I still need windows for" situation.
WABI *requires* a 256 color display. So I just start up another copy of X:
:1 &
X -bpp 8 &
wabi -display
Then use Ctrl-Alt-F8 and Ctrl-Alt-F7 to switch between my 1024x768x16 X server, and the 640x480x8 server where WABI runs. Don't bother running a window manager, WABI won't use it anyways.
Xnest might be a better idea, but this works too. (might be forgetting some details, I'm at work)
VNC is Timbuktu-like program. Not as cool, but might help you here. Very cross platform! I like it anyway.... http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
Yeah, the installer for Lotus Notes doesn't work under WINE, but the actual program does. Install it under dual-boot, or install on another machine, then just copy the \NOTES (or \LOTUS\NOTES) directory and \WINDOWS\NOTES.INI file to your linux machine.
Really annoying, I know, but you only install once. Haven't tried the QMU/QMR patches.
Unlike WINE, Project Odin actually converts the Windows app into a native OS/2 application. The EXE and DLL's are modified so that OS/2 can load them, and a Win32 equivalent of the DLL's is provided. Odin also has a very cool feature where it intercepts the loader and actually convers a Windows EXE/DLL into an OS/2 EXE/DLL on the fly. This lets you run your Windows apps under OS/2 in a truly seamless fashion. It's very cool stuff, and I recommend that everyone check it out.
And the men who hold high places must be the ones who start
To mold a new reality... closer to the heart
Has anyone gotten it to work with AOL yet?
:-)
Yea..
Step 1: Call 1-800-AOL-USER and say "Cancel My AOL."
Step 2: Get a real ISP.
I know 5 people that have tried this and it worked great for them!!
+&x
Wabi worked very well with the windows 3.1 apps I've used. Email me if you want to get a hold of a copy, it can be hard to find now...
I hate to be a party pooper but I can write a short script of every experience I've had with wine, whether it was with Civ II, Axis and Allies, Age of Empires, some pipe game, excel, GospeLink, Palm software and now Harmony (linking Palm with on line calender).
^ ~
1- I hear about major advances with such and such software
2- I download the latest Wine
3- running Wine I try to install software
4- watch it fail becuase something doesn't link
5- moan
6- contemplate wierd schemes of repartitioning so I can run Windows to get it throught the install so I can try the program
7- give up for another three months
Does anyone know tricks or tips of getting programs to install under wine? I'm with a lot of people who look through the glass at people happily getting things to work and wonder what we're doing wrong from the start.
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See the "Plausible Deniability: Denied!" project here. The goal is to /. Intuit, and count the requests.
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bummer... latest WINE rpm installed and still can't get AutoCAD r14 up and running. Maybe the new AutoCAD 2000 (natively 32bit?) will be better....
I see the pretty splash screen, and the border w/ view window... then it siezes...
It's too bad Autodesk dropped their unix port in favor of the win32 dll's.... I could've had a fighting chance.
Maybe the next release of WINE will bring Acad up... then again...
...some days you're the dog, some days you're the hydrant...
Will these work under the new version.?
These are the only apps keeping w95 on my laptop.
trikster2@hotmail.com
ie, Starcraft battle.net works now for example :)
otherwise it runs harmlessly. For instance, the wine-devels all had a chuckle running the "Happy 99" virus a year ago - it showed the fireworks perfectly fine but was unable to infect anything :)
Quick question: Will this release make it into Debian potato?
sup dude
Hey, you stole my idea. When I get some spare time I want to use a graphics program to graft the yellow Tux beak onto the BSD imp.
BTW, don't real penguins have long black beaks, not short, stubby, cute yellow ones?
Save your parents a couple of dimes and go with NetZero.com.
Per an interview last week on linux.ie Corel has been contributing about a 1/4 of updates to winelib.
I second that.
Read documentation/bugreports that comes with the source. If you report a bug properly it might be able to be fixed. Reporting "it doesn't work" on Slashdot doesn't really help :)
Okay, I don't think games, especially DirectX, work under VMWARE. But everything I've tried: Office97, IE, and VisualSourceSafe (I hate that name!) work perfectly. NT running under VMWARE is a complete virtual machine, with its virtual network card and address (either static or DHCP). It can even mount the SAMBA shares on the same Linux box. It chews up lots of RAM, but the performance is really quite good. Of course, it costs $$ ($100US for an individual license, $300 for corporate).
Please read documentation/bugreports that comes with the Wine source and post a proper bugreport for your stuff on the newsgroup. We can't help you if you say "it doesn't work".
I know about licq, gicq, kicq, blehicq.. great. But I want to run the windows version of ICQ because I value the ICQ message history.. as much as I HATE ICQ. ANyway.. I want to have a CENTRAL ICQ Database. The only way to do that right now is to run ICQ WIn32.. Can WINE do that yet? I Checked their App database, nothing good in there, but I wonder if its possible to get it working anyway? Especially with the reimplementation of Winsock.dll?
-Matthew
Technetos, Inc.
An ongoing petition box on the side bar --->
would be nice.
We need an Intuit VP of something or other to paste into the header of our emails
AND a place for that 1-800 number to stay up for angry individual reference.
Clearly we're going to have make a concerted effort to get Intuit to pay attention here. Some people with the resources to organize/publicize --eg. Slashdot.org-- need to step up and lead.
Is this wishful thinking or are you prophesizing?
Perhaps only two calls to that drone, buy both myself and my roomate have called, as well as a guy at work, and my previous boss also called.
This version is a GREAT improvement over all other wines I've seen..
With this version, I got EXCEL to work (even after I placed a chart in there), WinAMP, Word, ICQ (although the network didn't work), and other programs to work.
Plus they must have redid the font support.. Fonts were PERFECTLY clear...
This version rocked.
ChiefArcher
Why don't you use VNC instead? It runs on Linux, Windows, Mac, Amiga, PalmPilot, in browsers (java applet), and more.
The one thing that linux is missing (it might change now with that Pan project) is a good newsreader/binary decoder like Free/Forte Agent.. and WINE runs that great, almost as fast as the windows version in displaying stuff, and faster at downloading (at least with cable, i dont know about anything else).. :)
I downloaded this version (hallowine) and the display bugs from the previous version seem to be gone now.. i havent tried many other programs but so far this one works great..
My two pointless cents
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Every single one, you still can't guess what WINE stands for eh?
that you are blinded by the truth! The fact is it does NOT stand for WINE Is Not a Emulator. You are so think headed.
Think before you post!!!!
Some limitations of the "Old interface" option:
* No icons on the "desktop". Minimized apps look like small title bars.
* Ctrl-Esc task management is done via taskman.exe, which will not be familiar to a win3.x user.
Also remember that progman.exe and taskman.exe are just applications. They do not provide shell services like Explorer. Therefore printer spooler view, dial-up networking, fonts folder, control panel etc. will start Explorer (including its taskbar and tray) anyway, ruining the effect.
I do not do that!
Think before you post.
I forgot who I am. Please help.
I wish it did though!
Think before you post.
Think before you post!!
It's for the BeOS only.
It's really good, stable, fast, you should try it.
Think before you post!!!
Makes me want to throw up.
is the only reason I have for running windows. Has anyone had any success with running Tribes under wine?
..thanks.
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