3) As a logical consequence of 1) and 2), try to come up with ways to fight the status quo without losing all your friends.
Oh, I'm all passive aggression there. Overt evangelism irritates all. Gentle questioning can trigger thought in even the densest, served up with enough humor.
WRT rhetoric, the challenge is to focus on the substantial arguments, and not get so lost in arguing stylistic points that the whole discussion loses meaning.
Not to disrespect your choice of anonymity in the slightest, but, do I know you?
Tragically rare to get taken to school like this...
Let me first admit that you are rhetorically thrashing me.
Hence, this is not a fruitless argument; you're making me think, if no one else.
The challenge I continue to have is located somewhere in here:
assume their "opponents" have positions they actually don't (in this case, that Joe Average should be kept stupid). Or, for some reason, demand that their opponents give their opinion on unrelated matters (in this case, the desirability of maintaining a certain status quo
Guilty as charge for having inferred your acceptance of keeping Joe Average stupid.
Still confused as to the "unrelatedness" of the desirability of that state.
Is Joe Average a painting on the wall, a static object for art criticism?
Individual people, even members of the lumpen proletariat are really dynamic, so I'm aghast that we're casually writing off the individuals we happen to know. Granted, I'm a lousy evangelist, and my attempts at getting colleagues to think are generally kicked back in my face.
But hey, logic is in the eye of the logician, right?;)
I'm realizing it's less about logic than passion. If I subscribe to this detached view that gently encouraging Joe Average to move out of the status quo armchair is "unrelated" to Joe Average's presence in the armchair, then I (getting very subjective at this point) am taking the first step to parking my butt in the adjacent armchair and getting way too comfortable.
Hard to believe, but they were taken offline by court order in the United States.
What's so hard to believe about this?
Europeans want to vote in US elections: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2825
People in the US want to extend US rights to non-US citizens, variously in Guantanamo Bay and for those present on US soil in less than legal circumstances.
Treaties like the UN Law of the Sea Convention want to set up international bodies that can fine countries.
Are we not oozing towards a single world government?
In defense of XML, the parsing problem is handled.
Best wishes on solving the semantic snarls.
XML, like all good approaches, handles mechanism, not policy.
Yeah, "Oh wait..."
Far better to install a heat sponge, to soak up the heat.
When in the shadow part of the orbit, a giant metal hand can squeeze the sponge, and dissipate the heat.
Man, you know jack about engineering.
Indeed, control of the question is key to managing the answer.
Calling my points "totally unrelated" is an overstatement, but the goal here seems to be "focus on the issue at hand", which is about maintaining a status quo (for someone) all the while championing "getting to the bottom of things", which doesn't seem to involve real thought in the head of the Average Joe.
Cue Reznor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g86KUHGlOg
Going fully Machiavellian, an attacker might a) call attention via DIOS, or b) buy time to negotiate.
The latter seems unlikely, because if the information was available for any length of time
then it has likely escaped.
Aw, c'mon: how can you seriously boil the question down to a binary answer?
It's a big, messy distribution, and trying to simplify the whole thing down to a yes/no answer is as flawed as the whole fishing analogy.
You're correct for a huge chunk of the population, but going from being to correct to "not succeeding" just doesn't follow.
By the way, I almost laughed at the "sheer intellectual curiosity" line. The lack of "sheer intellectual curiosity" is what drives the entire advertising industry: unwillingness to do research before buying a product.
This may be the crux of the discussion: are you for or against Idiocracy?
why would you even waste your time farking around with something else?
And then I transitioned to some personal gripes with OTOH.
Proprietary software gives you a fish every time you boot up.
Free Software offers a spectrum from the same fish, to a kit and destructions for building your own fishing pole, along with a few Mb of usenet postings on where to fish.
Nothing is intrinsically wrong with accepting the fish, but the point is that the opportunity to get out there and catch your own should be advertised and encouraged in a gentle way.
Many do not think past taking the fish, simply because the possibility of catching their own has never been spoken to them. Might hurt someone's profits, you know.
Sheer intellectual curiosity? Contempt for grossly manipulative treatment from vendors?
Distros have solved a lot of the problem with configuration management and device drivers.
OTOH, if you're trying to run bleeding edge stuff, things like wireless can be out of reach. If I want wireless to work, it's back to the old 'Doze partition.
However, I can't complain, as that wound is largely self-inflicted, and left as an exercise for the geek to fix.
Oh, wait, this is/., so I'm aloud to say "Waaaaah, this software is poo and it no worky-worky1!!!1!!!"
CRP36: What we got here is... failure to communicate. You run one
time, you got yourself a set of chains. You run twice you got yourself
two sets. You ain't gonna need no third set, 'cause you gonna get your
mind right. JS: Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too. B: Sorry, Luke. I'm just doing my job. You gotta appreciate that. L: Nah - calling it your job don't make it right, Boss. CRP36: What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you
just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the
way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you
men. JS: I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't
want to do it. I felt I owed it to them. CRP36: You gonna get used to wearin' them chains afer a while,
Luke. Don't you never stop listenin' to them clinking. 'Cause they
gonna remind you of what I been saying. For your own good. L: Wish you'd stop bein' so good to me, cap'n.
Yes, and the advent of Global Warming Hysteria hasn't helped matters.
The sad truth that much of the exhaust labeled "hot air" was, in fact, methane, from flatus of the bull.
If word gets out, people might realize that real-world cowpies have more intrinsic value
than the Congressional variety.
Please allow Congress the dignity "hot air".
Somebody more clever than me needs to come up with a translation unit.
Simply implement a language in English, using all of the right buzzwords that are politically correct, even award-winning, pro-regime statements.
Then, once the blog post has departed China, run it through a filter, to determine what the poster really meant.
Ideal Summer of Code project.
Couple of existing examples of this:
Slashdot Mirror
WRT rhetoric, the challenge is to focus on the substantial arguments, and not get so lost in arguing stylistic points that the whole discussion loses meaning.
Not to disrespect your choice of anonymity in the slightest, but, do I know you?
Tragically rare to get taken to school like this...
Hence, this is not a fruitless argument; you're making me think, if no one else.
The challenge I continue to have is located somewhere in here:
Guilty as charge for having inferred your acceptance of keeping Joe Average stupid.
Still confused as to the "unrelatedness" of the desirability of that state.
Is Joe Average a painting on the wall, a static object for art criticism?
Individual people, even members of the lumpen proletariat are really dynamic, so I'm aghast that we're casually writing off the individuals we happen to know. Granted, I'm a lousy evangelist, and my attempts at getting colleagues to think are generally kicked back in my face. I'm realizing it's less about logic than passion. If I subscribe to this detached view that gently encouraging Joe Average to move out of the status quo armchair is "unrelated" to Joe Average's presence in the armchair, then I (getting very subjective at this point) am taking the first step to parking my butt in the adjacent armchair and getting way too comfortable.
Europeans want to vote in US elections: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2825
People in the US want to extend US rights to non-US citizens, variously in Guantanamo Bay and for those present on US soil in less than legal circumstances.
Treaties like the UN Law of the Sea Convention want to set up international bodies that can fine countries.
Are we not oozing towards a single world government?
In defense of XML, the parsing problem is handled.
Best wishes on solving the semantic snarls.
XML, like all good approaches, handles mechanism, not policy.
Yeah, "Oh wait..."
Far better to install a heat sponge, to soak up the heat.
When in the shadow part of the orbit, a giant metal hand can squeeze the sponge, and dissipate the heat.
Man, you know jack about engineering.
Indeed, control of the question is key to managing the answer.
Calling my points "totally unrelated" is an overstatement, but the goal here seems to be "focus on the issue at hand", which is about maintaining a status quo (for someone) all the while championing "getting to the bottom of things", which doesn't seem to involve real thought in the head of the Average Joe.
Cue Reznor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g86KUHGlOg
...and I've had several first posts on the front page. /. territory is getting a story accepted on the front page.
My only unconquered
Seriously: given sheeple, are you a wolf or a shepherd, and if shepherd, would you try to educate the sheeple in the direction of humanity?
Going fully Machiavellian, an attacker might a) call attention via DIOS, or b) buy time to negotiate.
The latter seems unlikely, because if the information was available for any length of time
then it has likely escaped.
This is not a bad rendition of the answer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGmA1Cpmldg
People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms.
You're saying that the Average Joe is incapable of curiosity?
Drug usage statistics argue against the idea.
It's a big, messy distribution, and trying to simplify the whole thing down to a yes/no answer is as flawed as the whole fishing analogy.
You're correct for a huge chunk of the population, but going from being to correct to "not succeeding" just doesn't follow.
Proprietary software gives you a fish every time you boot up.
Free Software offers a spectrum from the same fish, to a kit and destructions for building your own fishing pole, along with a few Mb of usenet postings on where to fish.
Nothing is intrinsically wrong with accepting the fish, but the point is that the opportunity to get out there and catch your own should be advertised and encouraged in a gentle way.
Many do not think past taking the fish, simply because the possibility of catching their own has never been spoken to them.
Might hurt someone's profits, you know.
Sheer intellectual curiosity? Contempt for grossly manipulative treatment from vendors? /., so I'm aloud to say "Waaaaah, this software is poo and it no worky-worky1!!!1!!!"
Distros have solved a lot of the problem with configuration management and device drivers.
OTOH, if you're trying to run bleeding edge stuff, things like wireless can be out of reach. If I want wireless to work, it's back to the old 'Doze partition.
However, I can't complain, as that wound is largely self-inflicted, and left as an exercise for the geek to fix.
Oh, wait, this is
In this vignette, Luke has been caught running Free Software.
He's been drug in front of the Judge from Caddyshack by the Captain and the Boss.
Boss: Bailiff
Captain, Road Prison 36 (CRP36): Prosecutor
Judge Smails (JS): Judge
Luke: Free Software User
CRP36: What we got here is... failure to communicate. You run one time, you got yourself a set of chains. You run twice you got yourself two sets. You ain't gonna need no third set, 'cause you gonna get your mind right.
JS: Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too.
B: Sorry, Luke. I'm just doing my job. You gotta appreciate that.
L: Nah - calling it your job don't make it right, Boss.
CRP36: What we've got here is... failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men.
JS: I've sentenced boys younger than you to the gas chamber. Didn't want to do it. I felt I owed it to them.
CRP36: You gonna get used to wearin' them chains afer a while, Luke. Don't you never stop listenin' to them clinking. 'Cause they gonna remind you of what I been saying. For your own good.
L: Wish you'd stop bein' so good to me, cap'n.
x86
lawyer.s
You people simply waste time obfuscating everything.
What do you mean? Their billing departments are paragons of efficiency, enthusiasm, and creativity.
Well, I don't think we need to take responsibility for the body chemistry of the likes of
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_J._Kennedy
However, the sage wisdom of Red Green does come to mind.
"Spare the duct tape, spoil the job"
http://www.redgreen.com/index.cfm?app=cart&a=view_episodes&seasonID=10
Yes, and the advent of Global Warming Hysteria hasn't helped matters.
The sad truth that much of the exhaust labeled "hot air" was, in fact, methane, from flatus of the bull.
If word gets out, people might realize that real-world cowpies have more intrinsic value
than the Congressional variety.
Please allow Congress the dignity "hot air".
Simply implement a language in English, using all of the right buzzwords that are politically correct, even award-winning, pro-regime statements.
Then, once the blog post has departed China, run it through a filter, to determine what the poster really meant.
Ideal Summer of Code project.
Couple of existing examples of this:
...is an anagram of Lard
My name is Inigo Montoya
You killed my brother and my father. Prepare to hear my cliche forever.