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Athletes Can Blog at Olympics - with Restrictions

Hugh Pickens writes "The IOC has given athletes the right to blog at the Beijing Games this summer, a first for the Olympics. They're allowed, as long as they follow the many rules it set to protect copyright agreements, confidential information and security. The IOC said blogs by athletes 'should take the form of a diary or journal' and should not contain any interviews with other competitors at the games. They also should not write about other athletes. Still pictures are allowed as long as they do not show Olympic events. Athletes must obtain the consent of their competitors if they wish to photograph them. Also, athletes cannot use their blogs for commercial gain."

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  1. So basically... by Nemilar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the summary, the rules are basically, "you may blog at the Olympics, but you may not blog about the Olympics. Unless you are blogging about what you had for breakfast at the Olympics, and you do not include pictures."

    Woohoo, freedom of the press!

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    1. Re:So basically... by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are athletes going to be allowed to blog about Chinese human rights issues?
      IIRC, "Free Tibet" is not a message that will be welcomed in the Olympic Village or Olympic venues.

      BTW - I get a registration link for TFA
      http://news.google.com/news?q=ioc+blogging

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    2. Re:So basically... by TheMeuge · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Not quite... it's more like:

      You may blog at the Olympics, as long as you don't write anything that anyone wants to read.

    3. Re:So basically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the summary, the rules are basically, "you may blog at the Olympics, but you may not blog about the Olympics. Unless you are blogging about what you had for breakfast at the Olympics, and you do not include pictures."

      Seems to me the rules are in place to prevent scandal. I agree they are restrictive, but are they that much more so than the rules most corporations would have for their employees? I know if I were to freely blog about my co-workers and my company's inner workings I'd be canned pretty quickly.

      And.. There's nothing to say they cant freely write about their experiences the day the Olympics are over.

      Woohoo, freedom of the press!

      First, I'm not sure amateur bloggers are "the press"; second, we are talking about an international organization. Freedom of speech heavily restricted in a great many of the countries sending athletes, hell it's almost nonexistant in the one that's holding the games. Not saying it's right, but that's just how it is..

    4. Re:So basically... by j35ter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Uh, the IOC is surely not a corporation, and especially not the athletes employer. They're merely the organizers of the Olympic games.

      Their infringement on athletes' rights is a scandal on its own!

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    5. Re:So basically... by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      If they aren't boycotting the games already, then there is very little chance they would have any real concerns about Chinese human rights issues.

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    6. Re:So basically... by rjk94 · · Score: 1

      True, very true. I wonder if Dwain Chambers will be allowed to talk about what he had for breakfast. I wonder if Dwain Chambers will be allowed at the Olympics at all. I wonder if Dwain Chambers wants to write a blog about his breakfast on behalf of the IOC. I wonder if I will spend my life wondering about this. Anyway, I think the IOC have gone a bit crazy with these restrictions.

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    7. Re:So basically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems to me the rules are in place to prevent scandal. I agree they are restrictive, but are they that much more so than the rules most corporations would have for their employees?
      Are the athletes employees of the IOC, or amateurs?

      Woohoo, freedom of the press!
      First, I'm not sure amateur bloggers are "the press"
      Bloggers are not "the press"? Everyone qualifies as "the press" where freedom of the press is concerned, despite whatever Big Media wants you to think.
    8. Re:So basically... by Odiche · · Score: 1

      Would a new amateur competition devoid of corporate sponsorship draw people to compete?

      Not trying to be flamebait, as open up some discussion.

    9. Re:So basically... by PuckSR · · Score: 1

      Freedom of the press?

      This doesn't seem to have much to do with limiting the Olympians personal freedoms. The Olympics have signed deals with sponsors, media organizations, and others. It seems that the limit on blogging is designed to protect the legal agreements that the IOC has signed with others. It also seems that they are trying to avoid any potential, if accidental, violations of other athletes rights.

      This seems to be a pretty standard deal.
      This isn't limiting the rights of human beings, this is limiting the actions of Olympic competitors. They are allowed to go do whatever they want, but if they break the rules they are no longer Olympic competitors.

    10. Re:So basically... by flyingsquid · · Score: 5, Interesting
      If they aren't boycotting the games already, then there is very little chance they would have any real concerns about Chinese human rights issues.

      How much impact do you think Stephen Colbert would have had if he'd said, "the White House correspondent's dinner? But I hate the White House, I'm going to boycott it!" Instead, he took that as an opportunity to criticize the president, to his face, in front of all his staff and in front of the media. And there wasn't a damn thing the president could do.

      Not showing up to the Olympics is pointless. You're throwing away years of hard work, and for what? China isn't going to suddenly stop supporting Sudan and Burma, or stop oppressing Tibetans just because a few athletes don't show. Or, you could show up, win a medal, get a moment in the spotlight, and use it to shed light on China's abuses, in China, with the entire world watching (of course, it might be a good time to bring attention to some U.S. human rights abuses as well).

      I could be wrong here, but I don't think that the Chinese have the slightest clue what they're in for. The government can't simply crush dissent under the treads of a tank, like they did during Tienanmen, there will be witnesses everywhere, all with wireless laptops, Blackberries, blogs, cell phones, cell phone cameras, digital video recorders... everything will be covered by a dozen cameras and thousands of well-connected witnesses; it's the perfect time to make a statement, and it will be almost impossible for Beijing to stop you or retaliate. In a way, they're a little like our Bubble-Boy president, George W. Bush. He and his advisors inhabit a reality-proof bubble where dissent is not heard, so he was utterly unprepared for the idea that Colbert might use the opportunity to criticize him. Likewise, the Chinese leadership lives in a bubble where open dissent is not permitted, censorship is everywhere, and people will only criticize the government in private. After all those years of living in a heavily censored society, I think the idea that someone might actually stand up and speak out, publicly and in full view of everyone, is just inconceivable to them.

    11. Re:So basically... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      the IOC is surely not a corporation, and especially not the athletes employer
      Are you sure about that? Certainly they are a business of some kind, organized under the laws of whatever country they live in... My guess is that they are a corporation of some kind...
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    12. Re:So basically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you truly think that a single attendee to the Olympics will actually witness a "human rights issue"?

    13. Re:So basically... by Snaller · · Score: 2, Funny

      "Are athletes going to be allowed to blog about Chinese human rights issues?"

      Yes. They'll be shot afterwards, but they can write what they want.

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    14. Re:So basically... by readgs · · Score: 1
    15. Re:So basically... by chaoticgeek · · Score: 1

      The first rule of the Olympics: Do not talk about the Olympics.

      sorry, I could not resist.

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    16. Re:So basically... by thomas.galvin · · Score: 1

      Ah, the Olympics, celebrating what is best about human nature: greed, censorship, and corporate profits. Can't you just feel pride swelling in your heart?

    17. Re:So basically... by j35ter · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, I think we both may be right.
      The IOC is a Non Governmental Organization whose purpose is to organize the Olympic games, etc. etc. etc.

      The fact is that they are a quite corrupt bunch of managers who love money more than their own mother (if they ever had one).
      Sad but true

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    18. Re:So basically... by EMCEngineer · · Score: 1

      This is great. Now every time we get to hear the back story for some athlete, we also get to hear 10 repetitions of the announcers saying 'Check out their blog at....'. As if the human interest part wasn't annoying enough.

    19. Re:So basically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, just like any ordinary blog, then?

    20. Re:So basically... by SL+Baur · · Score: 2

      Woohoo, freedom of the press! This is a repeat of the 1936 Olympics. The less we know and care, the better. Really.
    21. Re:So basically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Woohoo, freedom of the press!

      Just more mandated kowtowing to the motherfucking slope butchers.

    22. Re:So basically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were never any tanks at Tienanmen Square. Just ask any Chinese official.

    23. Re:So basically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An athlete making a political statement about the state of China would be as well received as an actor making a statement after winning an award. It simply makes most people cringe and trivializes the actual issues (at least in the minds of the public).

      I also don't agree with your logic that China would not imprison someone simply because the world is watching. Yeah, they want to look good in the eyes of the world but they also have no shame about their human rights abuses. They also have a lot of weight given the economic state of the world right now, not many countries are willing to upset China ATM.

    24. Re:So basically... by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Instead, he took that as an opportunity to criticize the president, to his face, in front of all his staff and in front of the media. And there wasn't a damn thing the president could do. And the media almost completely ignored it; the next day the "bush twins" skit was all over front pages everywhere, and Colbert was a tiny side note except on sites like Digg, reddit, and Slashdot.
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  2. Copyright?!?!?! by ilikepi314 · · Score: 2

    Still pictures are allowed as long as they do not show Olympic events Who copyrighted the Olympics?!? Why is it that I cannot take pictures of events and share them with friends if I am there? These freaking events have existed for centuries, how can you copyright that?!?!?!

    Or is this a security issue? If it is, then they need to get over it. This is getting ridiculous.
    1. Re:Copyright?!?!?! by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Informative

      Still pictures are allowed as long as they do not show Olympic events Who copyrighted the Olympics?!? The IOC. Then they sell out the rights for a massive profit.

      It's also trademarked to Hell and back.

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    2. Re:Copyright?!?!?! by mikesd81 · · Score: 1

      Or maybe it's about different techniques (legal ones) athletes use or equipment they use (again legal ones)?

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    3. Re:Copyright?!?!?! by Mr+Stubby · · Score: 1

      Hardly centuries, it just ticked over 1. Not to be confused with the ancient olympics, the modern olympics started in 1894, It didnt really become a money making event until the Los Angeles organisers showed you could turn a profit by commercialising the living hell out of it in 1984. And then the downward spiral began ;)

    4. Re:Copyright?!?!?! by dwater · · Score: 1

      > It didnt really become a money making event until the Los Angeles organisers showed you could turn a profit by commercialising the living hell out of it in 1984

      Oh, so this is the American's fault?

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    5. Re:Copyright?!?!?! by Mr+Stubby · · Score: 1

      No, thats just what happened.

    6. Re:Copyright?!?!?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bit defensive? Feeling guilty?

    7. Re:Copyright?!?!?! by awrowe · · Score: 1

      Well yes, most things are when it comes to commercialising the fun out of anything.

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  3. Olympic Oxymoron by LingNoi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Olympism is a philosophy of life, exalting and combining in a balanced whole the qualities of body, will and mind. Blending sport with culture and education, Olympism seeks to create a way of life based on the joy found in effort, the educational value of good example and respect for universal fundamental ethical principles.
    (Olympic Charter, Fundamental Principles, paragraph 1)

    I guess they forgot to add the clause, "except when in China".
    1. Re:Olympic Oxymoron by v1 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No doubt! This will last less than 24 hrs (if that) before china's censorship kicks into high gear. All it should take is oh, one picture of a picture of an entrant taken as he participated in Tiananmen Square...

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    2. Re:Olympic Oxymoron by Lally+Singh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Very fair.

      However I'd like to add that to make ethical progress (as a species), we have to bring in those we disagree with (e.g. the ones who are really wrong). Bring them in and push for incremental change. It's messy and boring, but it's the best way to do it. If we require china to play by all the rules at once, they're unlikely to participate -- no progress made. If we ease them, then we can start a process which (hopefully) will get us somewhere.

      Messy, boring, and deeply unsatisfactory, yes. But it often works, and I personally can't think of a better solution that would work as well.

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    3. Re:Olympic Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      However I'd like to add that to make ethical progress (as a species), we have to bring in those we disagree with (e.g. the ones who are really wrong).
      Except that doesn't work as the Nazi Olympics have shown, it takes the death of a dictator for change to occur.
    4. Re:Olympic Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Like a baby picture?

    5. Re:Olympic Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However I'd like to add that to make ethical progress (as a species), we have to bring in those we disagree with (e.g. the ones who are really wrong). Bring them in and push for incremental change. It's messy and boring, but it's the best way to do it.


      Yep, that's how we are losing all of our rights and freedoms and slipping into fascism. One incremental step at a time.
    6. Re:Olympic Oxymoron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen this argument many times and I must say that it is a pretty big claim to be making considering it is never accompanied by any genuine and indisputable examples, let alone any on the scale of the issues with China. I'm not saying that I don't think what you suggest is unreasonable, however, it would be nice if you could cite some examples of this strategy working.

    7. Re:Olympic Oxymoron by sethstorm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...the educational value of good example and respect for universal fundamental ethical principles. Just redefine ethics to fit China's unique situations and the problem disappears[/sarcasm]. Economists have no issue with doing that by saying it's "opportunity cost".
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    8. Re:Olympic Oxymoron by joe_totale · · Score: 1

      Just searched the official Beijing 2008 site for "censorship", aptly returned nothing. Searching on "Human rights" had a few results, the following page on the paralympics caught my eye:

      "Training in advocacy and human rights starts successfully

      Today, a training for Paralympic leaders in advocacy and human rights has started in Seoul, Korea.

      Organized by the International Paralympic Committee (IPC) in collaboration with Landmine Survivors Network and Rehabilitation International, a total of 28 participants from 16 countries, including Paralympic athletes, are currently defining and approaching advocacy as well as discussing human rights and the United Nations (UN) Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities."
      http://en.beijing2008.cn/paralympic/news/news/n214200482.shtml
      So there is *some* peripheral human rights work underway, in the context of disability issues. IMHO this is valuable in its own right, and the principles of advocacy, campaigning and lobbying are more widely applicable.

      Interesting to note that this work is taking place outside China.

  4. what's the point by phlegmofdiscontent · · Score: 1

    After all the censorship, you might get to say two words and show a picture of your socks, assuming they're generic....

    1. Re:what's the point by danielsfca2 · · Score: 1

      Actually generic socks are banned, you have to wear genuine Nike(R) or Adidas(R), whichever is the official sock sponsor this year.

  5. Boycot by zmooc · · Score: 2, Insightful

    *boycots olympic games entirely*

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    1. Re:Boycot by kaufmanmoore · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      *boycott bad spelling entirely*

    2. Re:Boycot by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Boycott poor grammar.

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  6. China can't just come in take athletes way to poli by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    China can't just come in take athletes way to political prisons so what does the athletes have to lose?

  7. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 0

    China can't just come in take athletes way to political prisons so what does the athletes have to lose?

    That is a dangerous thing to assume.

  8. Dear Diary by zappepcs · · Score: 3, Funny

    I woke up in China this morning. The place smells funny.
    The group went to a sporting event today, kind of exciting.
    Hopefully tomorrow I'll hear some music I like
    Goodnight

    1. Re:Dear Diary by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      I woke up in China this morning. The place smells funny.

      The group went to a sporting event today, kind of exciting.

      Hopefully tomorrow I'll hear some music I like

      Goodnight

      In the form of a haiku, please.
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    2. Re:Dear Diary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You are an idiot.

      People, please do not feed the troll.

    3. Re:Dear Diary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This blog post approved by the Communist Party of China.

    4. Re:Dear Diary by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      The funny thing is it would be great if some of the athletes played entirely by the rules like this and really laid on the sarcasm. That would make the best statement of all about how ridiculous the IOC has become.

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    5. Re:Dear Diary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The place smells funny.

      You have shown disrespect toward the Chinese government. You will be removed immediately to the airport for the ride home. Too fucking bad your events don't start until the day after tomorrow.

    6. Re:Dear Diary by laejoh · · Score: 0

      iI woke up in China this morning. The place smells funny.

      The group went to a sporting event today, kind of exciting.

      Hopefully tomorrow I'll hear some music I like

      Goodnight

      close

      quit

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      damn!

      ESC

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  9. What would happen? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So... What exactly would happen to an athlete who violated this "rule"? Would they lose any medals? Be banned from competing? It's one thing to make such "rules", another to enforce them.

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    1. Re:What would happen? by spike2131 · · Score: 1

      They would get massive publicity and widespread fame.

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    2. Re:What would happen? by awrowe · · Score: 1

      And then disappear into obscurity as a very quiet blacklist prevented them from continuing with their sport.

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  10. In the good old times... by mangu · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Olympic athletes used to be *amateurs*! I once met Lasse Viren, a gold medallist in the 1972 and 1976 Olympics. He was a police officer in Finland, was never paid to run, didn't make any commercials, was never sponsored by anyone.


    Today, the commercial spirit is so strong they have to carefully delimit anything that's published, pictures or words, about the event. Blogs must be carefully examined, lest there's something in there that might diminish the profits of the advertisers...


    As they used to say when the Olympics were performed in the interests of sport alone, "O Tempora, O Mores!"

    1. Re:In the good old times... by Herkum01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I can just picture those blogs now

      When I got up, I had a cool refreshing *Pepsi* while I put on my Ultra-Performance *Nike* shoes and my *Fruit of the Loom* running uniform.

      Make it one paragraph to describe every little thing and then have your blog run like 10 pages a day so that you can maximize your advertising revenue.

      That sounds like the Olympics of today!

    2. Re:In the good old times... by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Informative
      Olympic athletes used to be *amateurs*!

      Yes they were, when Avery Brundage was running the show. He also kicked the Jews off the US team in Berlin, and fought to keep the female events "decorative"...he'd be right at home in China.

      rj

    3. Re:In the good old times... by mangu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      when Avery Brundage was running the show. He also kicked the Jews off the US team in Berlin, and fought to keep the female events "decorative"

      Well, Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. Apparently he fathered one or more children by one of his slaves. This can be labelled as rape, since the slave, willing or not, wasn't in a position to say "no".


      A man can have the right idea about something, yet be a total son of a bitch about something else.

    4. Re:In the good old times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, and someone else we strongly dislike invented the modern idea of "highways". Does that mean highways are bad?

      Not everything a dis-likable person does is wrong.

    5. Re:In the good old times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      As they used to say when the Olympics were performed in the interests of sport alone, "O Tempora, O Mores!"

      You're clearly not much on distinctions between Greek and Latin, are you?

      In the first place, that was a Roman quote by someone about how the empire was already going to hell in a handbasket. It had not jack shit to do with the olympics.

      And if you think the olympics were all purity and light, go back to the original documents (as I have) and note all the restrictions against the current forms of unsportsmanlike behavior that had crept into the games. The ones about paying to have spells cast on your competitors are especially amusing.

      Of course the superstitious slopes have, I'm sure, gotten everything laid out to conform with their voodoo known as feng shui. Woo hoo -- limp-dick evil spirits unable to enter a house if the walkway has a couple of curves to baffle them. Fuck that shit -- get intelligent spirits. Mine walk through the wall of the house just to fuck me over. No amount of architectural landscaping can wither their balls.

      While I'm on the subject, in case you didn't already know what dickbites the IOC is full of, consider their use of their precious name. They've allowed the special olympics, the dog and cat olympics, in fact damned near anything that can be named in the form [word] olmpics, except ... they went to court to prevent a group from holding the Gay Olympics. Hence they had to be called the Gay Games.

      Think about it, folks -- the olympics started in GREECE, a place where NAMBLA might well have thrived. Except that the activity was so widespread that people would have given you funny looks if you suggested starting an organization to promote it. It would be like starting an organization in the US for people who comb their hair.

      Based on that, I believe high schools, colleges, universities and public recreational facilities should deny use of their premises for any form of olympic training, on the grounds that the IOC discriminates against people on the basis of their lifestyles.

    6. Re:In the good old times... by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Umm.. No. There is no evidence that a slave couldn't say no. There is no evidence that she had been treated unkindly or anything. Calling it rape because of something you imagined is ridiculous. He had other slaves, talk would have happened, someone else would have mentioned it in their writings/diary/whatever and it wouldn't have been a complete secrete to everyone but you.

      Not all slaves were treated the same ways. Not all slaves were beaten. Not all slaves were worked in the fields. And it specifically doesn't matter if she was or wasn't in a position to say no if she was willing. Unless her willingness was out of fear of reprisal in the form of physical harm. Many women to this day have sex with their husbands out of fear of a divorce and not having anything or place to fall back to. It isn't rape there either but it is almost the same as your claiming. But there is no evidence whatso ever at all indecating that his slave woman was in any fear.

    7. Re:In the good old times... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you have against democracy anyway?

      (Sorry, couldn't resist. Ticket to Hell please!)

  11. How the IOC killed the Olympics by Ranger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The insane restrictions of the IOC has really killed my interest in the Olympics. And along with the timeshifting the broadcast of events ruins my enjoyment.

    The pre-Disney ABC coverage of the Olympics and their Wild World of Sports was the best coverage of the Olympics and no one is ever going to be that good again. Especially with the ironfisted control by the IOC. So fuck you, International Olympics Committee.

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    1. Re:How the IOC killed the Olympics by cunina · · Score: 1

      Agreed, 100% - glad to hear someone else say it. If it's not Jim McKay narrating an event, it's not the Olympics as far as I'm concerned. And the John Williams tune is no replacement for the original Olympic theme song. I wonder if Olympic promoters will ever connect the decline of interest in the Olympics to the crass commercialization of them since 1984?

    2. Re:How the IOC killed the Olympics by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

      Same here, and it's really unfortunate. I'm entirely turned off my the rampant commercialism of the Olympics. This is a case in point where the people who MAKE the games, the athletes, are told they can't make a buck off it.

      I don't mind the IOC packaging the athlete's work and making money from it, but I strongly object to the way the athletes themselves are treated like crap.

  12. Enough is Enough by hax0r_this · · Score: 1

    First having the Olympics in China, now this. My family plans to attend the winter Olympics in Canada in a few years, and I told them in no uncertain terms that I will never again in my life watch, even on TV, the Olympics.

    Even aside from the absurd profiteering, human rights violations, etc, when will people grow up and realize that we aren't monkeys anymore? Like a few weeks back when they told the guy with the prosthetic limb that he could not compete. Why is it alright for someone to dedicate their life to trying to run faster, but not alright to use actual innovation to do so?

    The only difference between the Olympics and the NFL is the audience.

    Whatever your reason for doing so, I would encourage anyone who wants to join me in permanently boycotting the Olympics to do so.

    1. Re:Enough is Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My innovation: Top fuel dragster, there i win against human legs all the time. Next you see people getting their legs crushed just so they can get prosthetic limbs to be better... Where do you draw the line?

    2. Re:Enough is Enough by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Like a few weeks back when they told the guy with the prosthetic limb that he could not compete. Why is it alright for someone to dedicate their life to trying to run faster, but not alright to use actual innovation to do so?
      Of course this has zero to do with the Olympics, but this fellow was banned from competing in certain competitions because the technical innovation of his mechanical leg gave him an unfair advantage over those who did not have such a leg. If such a thing was allowed, where would it stop? Would a wheelchair with a V8 engine attached be allowed because it was simply a technological innovation that allowed amputees to move faster?
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    3. Re:Enough is Enough by LinuxInDallas · · Score: 1

      Actual innovation? But where does that stop? Is it OK for someone to use steroids in the Olympics? I would consider steroids to be as much of an innovation as an artifical limb. It's unfortunate that this person can not participate in the Olympics but I think most people would agree that his prosthetic limb puts him at an unfair advantage.

    4. Re:Enough is Enough by schnikies79 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Olympic sport is supposed to be about human pure ability/endurance, not technical innovation. It's the same reason that steroids and such are banned.

      If we go by your thinking, why can't athletes use those motorized, piston-powered leg attachments that make you run faster? I feel bad for the guy, but he does have an advantage.

      I am a runner myself and running is my life, so I can see where they are coming from.

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    5. Re:Enough is Enough by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      Sorry, my post was meant for the original poster. I hit the wrong reply, blah.

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    6. Re:Enough is Enough by Damocles+the+Elder · · Score: 1

      Just to toss in an addendum to that, they just only decided that his leg, when compared with a human leg, was "better" insofar as shock absorption and materials. They didn't actually say anything or bother to test the amount of effort difference from the bit where he doesn't have any muscles in his leg, or how his body worked in comparison with someone else in the same shape who didn't have prosthetics.

    7. Re:Enough is Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Just to toss in an addendum to that, they just only decided that his leg, when compared with a human leg, was "better" insofar as shock absorption and materials. They didn't actually say anything or bother to test the amount of effort difference from the bit where he doesn't have any muscles in his leg, or how his body worked in comparison with someone else in the same shape who didn't have prosthetics.
      Total bullshit. Extensive tests where in fact done that showed he had a significant advantage over runners without the device in question. Fact.
    8. Re:Enough is Enough by hazem · · Score: 1

      unfair advantage over those who did not have such a leg. If such a thing was allowed, where would it stop? Would a wheelchair with a V8 engine attached be allowed because it was simply a technological innovation that allowed amputees to move faster?

      Yeah, I get really confused by things like this. On one hand there is a replacement for a body part that is passive, still requiring human power to actuate, and then there's this internal combustion engine. I'm so confused by the difference that I once, on a rainy day (it rains a lot here), went to the auto parts store asking for a replacement parts for my crutches. The guy at the store said not to be embarrassed because it was apparently a pretty common mistake to make. He warned me to be careful walking home from the store because the slope just up the road can get pretty slippery.

      Seriously, what about the technical edge given by clothing, shoes, glasses with prescriptive lenses, goggles, etc. Maybe we should go back to how it used to be done, with the athletes performing nude...

    9. Re:Enough is Enough by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      Like a few weeks back when they told the guy with the prosthetic limb that he could not compete

      Olympics is fer humans, not no filthy cyborgs with them space germs!

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    10. Re:Enough is Enough by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 1

      I think far more important is a particular persons genes. Some people are just lucky enough to have a particular genetic trait that's going to give them an advantage over 99.9% of the population. Isn't allowing someone with, say, a gene giving better oxygen delivery just as unfair to everyone else as a prosthetic leg?

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    11. Re:Enough is Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On one hand there is a replacement for a body part that is passive, still requiring human power to actuate
      Listen, jack ass, it's an advanced device that has been proven in TESTS to have a significant ADVANTAGE over regular old human LEGS when it comes to running. PULL YOUR FUCKING HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS.
    12. Re:Enough is Enough by Aetuneo · · Score: 1

      As I recall, the prosthetic leg allowed around 25% more speed with 25% less effort. Or maybe it was 50% more speed with 25% less effort? I don't remember the numbers, but he did have a pretty large advantage over everyone else.

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    13. Re:Enough is Enough by WNight · · Score: 1

      Thanks. As a Vancouverite, I appreciate you staying away from this boondoggle that was forced upon us.

      The Olympics will be welcome when there's no special copyright protection. When they pay for the space they use, as any other event would, not with tax money.

      Personally, I don't think an event counts as 'Olympic' unless it's in Greece, and you perform naked. I'd like to see a challenge to the name from a Greek group trying to hold an authentic Olympic event.

    14. Re:Enough is Enough by dwater · · Score: 1

      Indeed, and some are lucky enough to be born as men and so have a distinct advantage in most sports over those who are born women. Indeed, the advantage is so much that they have separate events. The have a while separate 'games' for people with disabilities and the guy with the fake limb should compete in that, even if he does end up performing better than competitors in the regular games.

      I see a future where the para-Olympics is where all the records will be set...

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    15. Re:Enough is Enough by awrowe · · Score: 1

      Maybe we should go back to how it used to be done, with the athletes performing nude...

      I wouldn't mind that, a lot of those athletes are gorgeous! Mind you, you would have to be a real enthusiast to watch the weightlifting...

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    16. Re:Enough is Enough by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Olympic sport is supposed to be about human pure ability/endurance, not technical innovation.

      It's all such horseshit anyway, who really cares what they do? It's such an outdated concept, watching people pointlessly competing for no other reason than to compete. And who really cares if they take steroids or have technological enhancements? Any athlete at the Olympic level is benefiting from decades of technological, biological and medical progress in training techniques, even if they don't use any steroids or other banned enhancements. So it's hypocritical to rule out certain technical innovations, but not others.

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    17. Re:Enough is Enough by DaFork · · Score: 1

      Why is it alright for someone to dedicate their life to trying to run faster, but not alright to use actual innovation to do so?

      There is a parallel to this in weight lifting. Some competitors started wearing multi-ply weight lifting suits and benching shirts before they started getting banned.

      It's just a shirt right? Wrong. It was a shirt that was made of a material that was springy and became loaded with energy at the bottom of your movement so you can spring back to the top much easier. Wearing one of the suits can allow a competitor to lift up to 25% more.

      The issue is, it isn't all you; and some competitions are not about who can afford the best performance enhancing toys, but who is actually the best.

    18. Re:Enough is Enough by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      Pointless or not, some people enjoy it. Why do people game, there is no reason to do it other than to compete and have fun.

      Just because you don't like to compete or watch others compete, doesn't mean that no one else does. It's not outdated and I hope it never is. Humans and animals are made to compete, it's just the way it is. People love sports and will always love sports. I'm a runner that also loves sports. I couldn't imagine life without competition, it's what I live for.

      Tweaking your body by nutrition and medicine is making your body more efficient. Adding a mechanical assist is giving the body an advantage it couldn't have naturally, no matter how much you do.

      Sorry, it's just the same thing.

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    19. Re:Enough is Enough by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Why do people game, there is no reason to do it other than to compete and have fun.

      Usually with the emphasis on "fun". Gamers who game just to compete are a pretty sad bunch.

      Just because you don't like to compete or watch others compete, doesn't mean that no one else does. It's not outdated and I hope it never is.

      Just because I enjoy it, doesn't mean that I can't have my opinion. And it is outdated. Modern humans have no need to prove how strong they are to each other - we have machines that do the physical work for us now.

      Tweaking your body by nutrition and medicine is making your body more efficient. Adding a mechanical assist is giving the body an advantage it couldn't have naturally, no matter how much you do.

      How are they any different? Using medicine and modern training gives the body advantages it would never have naturally. Exactly like the artificial limb. And if dietary supplements and medicines are allowed, then why not steroids? I've never seen a good explanation as to why the arbitrary line is drawn where it is. Really, what's the difference between modern nutrition and medicine, and the "illegal" drugs?

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    20. Re:Enough is Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make it sound like Oscar Pistorius has some kind of bionic leg with its own inbuilt batteries, or something.

      In fact, they're more like Captain Hook's hand: bolted-on bits of shaped material. They don't move, they have no power source. The sticking point was that they are springy.

      So how many of the athletes who do compete will do so in bare feet? Seems the only way to be fair...

    21. Re:Enough is Enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I am a runner myself and running is my life, so I can see where they are coming from.

      Then you should get a real life, you morbid bastard.

    22. Re:Enough is Enough by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      I'll take a life of running and being active over the slashdot view of a life any day.

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    23. Re:Enough is Enough by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      Oh give me a break.

      Okay then, sex is outdated because we have in vitro fertilization. Walking is outdated because we have cars and segways.

      Just because a machine can do something doesn't mean it nullifies a human doing it. I like sports (watching and playing) because they are fun. Competing is fun.

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    24. Re:Enough is Enough by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Okay then, sex is outdated because we have in vitro fertilization. Walking is outdated because we have cars and segways.

      Stupid examples. Sex is not just for reproduction, and walking is not just for getting places. But the only real purpose of competitive sports is a competition to prove who is stronger than another person. How is that useful in today's society? All it does is cause problems.

      Just because a machine can do something doesn't mean it nullifies a human doing it.

      That's still not a good reason to have massive orgies of competitive sports.

      I like sports (watching and playing) because they are fun. Competing is fun.

      Surely you can have fun just playing sport with your friends, without disgusting rituals like the Olympics and Spectator football? The spectator part is the worst of it. The people sitting and watching sport on TV and eating junk food aren't even getting the health benefits of sport. Perhaps without the lame ritualized spectator sports, more people would actually participate and have fun and be healthy doing it.

      As it stands, we tend to have two main groups of people around sports - those who kill themselves being sedentary watching spectator sports, and those who engage in competitive sport, who kill themselves by pushing themselves too far. There are very few in the middle. I wouldn't mind so much if we had a moderate, "sport is fun for everybody" culture, but that's not what we have. We have total extremism, corruption and commercialism, dressed up as a noble endeavor. No thanks.

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  13. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by webmaster404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    China can't just come in take athletes way to political prisons so what does the athletes have to lose?

    No but they can sure disqualify them in a heartbeat, then how does that work?

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  14. what a load of B.S. by carsonc · · Score: 1

    they can't make any money from there blogging.... sort of like how the IOC doesn't make money from selling TV rights... what a load... does the IOC share any of it's ill gotten gains with the athletes... lol how naive of me.

  15. Copyright? Olympics? by Khyber · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How I wish the Greek gods existed, so they'd blast China and any corporation involved with the Olympics to hell. The Olypmics used to be a free public event for the 'known world' at that time to compete for fame, honor, and glory. Now it's compete for sponsorship dollars, advertising dollars, and getting your picture on a Wheaties box.

    I certainly won't be paying any attention to the Olympics, now. I'll be paying more attention to my cats in competition to see which one can get the little red dot that flies around every so often.

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    1. Re:Copyright? Olympics? by sjwest · · Score: 1

      Its gets worse

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/6972224.stm

      England was planing a law to make that logo a criminal offense for a business during the games. Such is the power of big business and the ioc.

    2. Re:Copyright? Olympics? by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      In that article, how on earth could they use "copyright law" to get him to remove that logo? His sausage thing is quite a bit different from the official logo.

      Trademark law, or something else, maybe. Or maybe it is just a reporter who doesn't care to make his article factually correct.

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    3. Re:Copyright? Olympics? by sjwest · · Score: 1

      Evil Lawyers see evil everywhere.

    4. Re:Copyright? Olympics? by dwater · · Score: 1

      > so they'd blast China

      This isn't anything specific to China. In fact, as I read TFA, this is *less* restrictive than previous Olympics - it says, "a first for the Olympics', ie they'd previously not allowed such a thing at all (did blogs exist in any meaningful way 4 years ago?).

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    5. Re:Copyright? Olympics? by dwater · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and I wonder how the anti-China US /. posters will manage to blame China for *that*?

      It seems like they blame China for everything these days...

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  16. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by LingNoi · · Score: 1
    Most likely banned from the Olympics and any future events..

    A spokesman said the BOA could not stop athletes talking to the media, nor questions being asked, particularly as the four-yearly event is aimed at getting "the best possible coverage of the sport".

    "Now, if an athlete answers [a] question honestly, there is not going to be an issue for us there. It's much more something where there is an overt decision to make a political point, using the games as a platform and that clearly is very different."


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7237599.stm
  17. No Commercial Gain by Blue+Stone · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I love this bit: "Also, athletes cannot use their blogs for commercial gain."

    Never mind that the modern Olympics has become rife with corporate sponsorship and bribery allegations. Just as long as the people who are supposed to count in all this - the athletes - don't make any money! Blech.

    The thing that really gets me, though, is that althletes are not allowed to make political statements in the stadium - a stadium which is a political statement in itself: 'Hey guys! China's really quite nice! Never mind us raping Tibet, killing our own people and all that - look: Shiny Olympics! We're part of the civilized world! See!'

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    1. Re:No Commercial Gain by coppro · · Score: 5, Informative

      I love this bit: "Also, athletes cannot use their blogs for commercial gain." Never mind that the modern Olympics has become rife with corporate sponsorship and bribery allegations. Just as long as the people who are supposed to count in all this - the athletes - don't make any money! Blech. The IOC does it's very best to keep the Olympics non-commercial. As an example, you will see zero corporate logos on athlete equipment - it's completely forbidden at the the Olympics, though this form of sponsorship is quite common anywhere else. Preventing the athletes from commercializing their experiences at the games is important - it's true to the founding ideals of the games, and keeps it a competition, rather then "I got to the Olympics, so now I'm going to make $2 million writing about it." Look at the entertainment industry. It's sick and disgusting how much anyone in any form of entertainment (including professional sports) gets paid. They can go say how great some random product is, and they'll get paid millions for that endorsement. Imagine what would happen if athletes could use blogs in the same way: "I got up this morning to eat my Kellog's Corn Flakes Cereal because I really enjoy it and it helps me compete" and then get a massive dumping of money. The IOC is correct in banning commercial gain. I agree to a lesser extent as to the other policies - it makes sense to say that the athletes can't say stuff about each other, because blogs tend to be much more personal than interviews, and so some sexist or racist comments or drug accusations or whatnot might slip through, and the backlash would be much worse than these restrictions are.
    2. Re:No Commercial Gain by RealGrouchy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Correction: The IOC bans commercial gain for the athletes.

      It has no problem signing exclusivity deals for its own commercial gain.

      I don't see this ban on athletes' blogs as so much as having to do with pressure from China (I mean, why would China care whether athletes are blogging about the athletic side of the Olympics?), as having to do with pressure from the media corporations that spend oodles of money to have exclusive rights to broadcast Olympic events in their respective markets. The fact that it is in China is a mere coincidence--blogs simply weren't as big a threat two years ago.

      - RG> (a.k.a. area man who doesn't have a TV and won't be following the Olympics)

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    3. Re:No Commercial Gain by coppro · · Score: 1
      Wikipedia notes:

      The IOC distributes approximately 92% of Olympic marketing revenue to organisations throughout the Olympic Movement to support the staging of the Olympic Games and to promote the worldwide development of sport. The IOC retains approximately 8% of Olympic marketing revenue for the operational and administrative costs of governing the Olympic Movement. That's good for sport in general. Athletes spending it on <secular censorship board has removed this word> knows what is not.
    4. Re:No Commercial Gain by RealGrouchy · · Score: 1

      So, effectively, the IOC is saying "you can't commercialize yourselves because we are doing it for you."

      - RG>

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    5. Re:No Commercial Gain by cam312 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure, you WILL see logos on the athelete's gear. But you'll only see logos from the official sponsors. This is done to protect the sponsors, who have kicked in millions of dollars for the exclusive rights. Same with advertising inside the venues. It's there. But only for those who ponied up. Not letting anyone else have their logo there protects the millions that the sponsors kicked in.

      But this isn't all that bad sometimes. Imagine how much the public taxpayer would be on the hook if companies like Lenovo weren't kicking in 80 million a piece. 80 million is a LOT of revenue to offset staging an event.

    6. Re:No Commercial Gain by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Never mind that the modern Olympics has become rife with corporate sponsorship and bribery allegations. Just as long as the people who are supposed to count in all this - the athletes - don't make any money! Blech.
      I think your mistaken in who is supposed to count in all this. It is the countries participating, not the athletes. Sure, in the individual countries, they count, they are national heroes because they are going to defend the good name of the country. But let's not forget the purpose of the Olympics. It is to put your best athletes forward to show your countries might.

      You see, when they say X took the gold, they don't say X's name. They say the country X is from. For all intent and purposed, X is the country the athlete represents.

      The thing that really gets me, though, is that althletes are not allowed to make political statements in the stadium - a stadium which is a political statement in itself: 'Hey guys! China's really quite nice! Never mind us raping Tibet, killing our own people and all that - look: Shiny Olympics! We're part of the civilized world! See!'
      Well, that is because the olympics is about diplomacy. You are representing your country, you aren't some individual walking down the street making personal comments to a reporter about the price of tea in china. You are as much of an ambassador as the real ambassador is during this time. You are on the team of your country representing your country. Any statements being made would be a reflection of what your country says or thinks. You don't want to offend another country and that is a requirement for being on the team.
    7. Re:No Commercial Gain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're kidding, right?

      The IOC does its very best to make the Olympics commercial, to make as much money as possible from it. If the athletes can't show their sponsors logo, that's not because of some anti-commercial sentiment but to protect the sponsors of the IOC itself, with which it has signed megabucks contracts.

      Theoretically the Olympics is all about the promotion of sports. In practice, every time there is a conflict between the athletes interest and the sponsors interest, the IOC favors the sponsors with no questions asked.

    8. Re:No Commercial Gain by awrowe · · Score: 1

      Actually, that is interesting. What if the athlete concerned is already making some money from his blog about whatever sport he or she is involved in? It would hardly be valid for the IOC to prevent the athlete from continuing to make his living from his blog, especially given that he has to be an amateur sportsperson to enter the olympics. Be an interesting legal case.

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    9. Re:No Commercial Gain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the IOC is protecting the mutli billion dollar revenue stream it gets from every olympics. they are completely corupt, and bribery is rampant. in fact cities that want to place a bid must buy many copies outlining procedure on placing such a bid. these "books"are usually sold for thousands of dollars each. this is just one example of the official bribery and graft that happens. what is behind closed doors is even uglier. much of the ioc is made up of former altheletes, so they use this time to cash in, instead of working at home depot the rest of their lives like some of our own...

      in short olympic atheletes are treated like dirt, and badly exploited for commercial gain by the ioc. if you dont believe me, go do some homework on how much cash the ioc really brings in, and put it against their recent skinflint decision to offer gold plated medals in stead of the real thing. that is sad and ugly.

    10. Re:No Commercial Gain by dscruggs · · Score: 1

      As an example, you will see zero corporate logos on athlete equipment - it's completely forbidden at the the Olympics,

      Sort of... In 1992 there was a bit of a kefluffle among the Dream Team because they were forced to wear Reebok gear. Many of the players (Michael Jordan most prominently) were Nike-sponsored athletes and didn't want to wear it. They ended up coming up with some way to hide the Reebok logo on those athletes.

    11. Re:No Commercial Gain by NoMaster · · Score: 1

      The IOC does it's very best to keep the Olympics non-commercial ... it's true to the founding ideals of the games ..."
      See, now this is what happens when you stop teaching Jonathan Swift in school - stuff like this gets modded "+5, Informative" instead of "+5, Funny".

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    12. Re:No Commercial Gain by migurski · · Score: 1

      Not so: you will in fact see corporate logos on athletes' gear, but it will be only logos from companies that have paid gonzo bucks for their logos to be shown exclusive of the competition. E.g, there will be Adidas but no Nike, Coke but no Pepsi, and so on. This is why the Olympics are worth so much to advertisers: it's a sharply controlled media environment where sponsors pay for a very expensive dead zone around their messages.

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  19. Disinterest in the Olympics by Trojan35 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone else notice that as the Olympics has shifted from Nationalism to Commercialism it's viewership and worldwide interest has dropped dramatically? I wonder when the people who run the Olympics will notice that. My guess: once it starts losing money.

    1. Re:Disinterest in the Olympics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Olympics will never lose money as long as governments want them so badly as an excuse to spend vast sums of tax money. The 2010 winter Olympics has become the reason and the excuse for everything that is done by both the local and provincial governments here in Vancouver, Canada. The provincial government has even decided that any civil servants who "volunteer" for the games will be paid half their salary but they refuse to count this expenditure against their Olympic budget. (which is already wildly out of control) I can only imagine what the Chinese government has done to and taken from it's citizens in the name of the Olympics. How can the Olympics possibly lose money when this shit goes on?

  20. How to Really blog at the olympics by partowel · · Score: 1, Funny

    1. Write at the end of every sentence : "China's Communism is COOL!".

    2. Make sure you praise the wonderful air quality of China *cough* , Need 100% air filter for my North Face mask.

    3. Make a second blog with the Mandarin version.

    4. Ask every athlete at the olympics to write about them. Selling Olympic emails for 50 bucks an email.

    5. Always include pictures of your most athletic muscle [ ie. runners are the feet, swimmers the arms, jumpers the thigh ]

    6. Always praise China for the "priviledge" of walking on chinese soil. Nice lead...mmmmm.

    7. NEVER mention the words freedom, free speech, democracy, tienamen square, religion, falun gong, etc.
            China HATES freedom. They will kill you for even saying it.

    8. I don't exist. This never happened. I am just a figment of your imagination.

    End of Message.

  21. China shouldn't have been selected by blind+biker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have you heard that the UK team could only go to the olympic games in China, if they signed (individually) a paper that they will not say anything against the regime? And that said regime has, instead of improving, further cracked down on human rights and democracy activists?

    Furthermore.... did you know that the air in most venues is too polluted to hold ANY outdoors competitions, let alone marathons?

    So why was China selected, and the other candidates dropped?

    Money and power? Naaaahh... never!

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    1. Re:China shouldn't have been selected by owlnation · · Score: 1

      Have you heard that the UK team could only go to the olympic games in China, if they signed (individually) a paper that they will not say anything against the regime?
      Oh the irony.. one country that is famous for its human rights abuses, lack of freedom, lack of free speech, invasive surveillance of its people, aggressive unwarranted invasions of other countries is now forbidding its athletes from criticizing China -- a more liberal country.

      I'm (slightly) joking. At least today I am, ask me in a few months when the sun has finally set on the UK. In truth there's little to choose from between the UK and China. The UK is probably more of a undemocratic totalitarian state, whereas the Chinese are maybe involved in more actual death.
    2. Re:China shouldn't have been selected by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      At least the UK doesn't have a Great Firewall around it, and it doesn't have a steely grip on the media. For example, the people living inside China still don't know the reasons Spielberg gave for his resignation from the position of cultural director of the olympic games in China. Just one small example. The people in China are not told a shitload of things.

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    3. Re:China shouldn't have been selected by Stickney · · Score: 1

      I'm working under the (possibly mistaken) assumption that you're from the UK, and also under the assumption that you have not, in fact, been to China (outside, perhaps, Hong Kong). Allow me to assure you, the UK is infinitely better off than China in these measures.

      I don't think I even understand what you mean by "The UK is probably more of a undemocratic totalitarian state, whereas the Chinese are maybe involved in more actual death." What does that mean? The UK is certainly more democratic and less totalitarian than China. Also, the forced paper signing was due to CHINESE constraints (through diplomatic constraints on the UK), not those of the UK.

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    4. Re:China shouldn't have been selected by MLCT · · Score: 2, Insightful

      if they signed (individually) a paper that they will not say anything against the regime? That is not what the "paper" said. Indeed the "paper" is a contract all UK Olympic athletes have had to sign for the last 20 odd years, and all it is is a reaffirmation of some of the rules they are all bound by anyway. The purpose of it is to ensure the athletes are fully aware of the rules so they cannot plead ignorance if they break them, as they have signed a contract. In the case of the extra text that was added to the contract for the 2008 games, it was simply a reaffirmation of the rule that political protests by athletes at Olympic venues is unacceptable. It was nothing about an inability to criticise "the regime", or anything like it. The media picked up this story and just made up what they didn't know (or didn't want to know) - 2008 Olympic "rights" stories (whether true or only half true) are good column filler, and will be for the next 6 months.

      And that said regime has, instead of improving, further cracked down on human rights and democracy activists? No disagreement from me. I can see the way this is all shaping up that the games may be a disaster for China - they thought everyone (inside & outside the country) would hush up an not make a big fuss for the sake of "the games" - quite the opposite is the case - if I were Amnesty International or any one of the other HR organisations I would be preparing for a multitude of high profile demonstrations and action around the games. Unfurling of a Free Tibet banner inside the Olympic Stadium - how will they respond? Tank Man part II would be a disaster for their "all is good in China" message. I think China hoped that everyone would just not cause any trouble, much like a family argument would be swept under the carpet if relatives come round - I can't see it happening. That being the case, the only good thing that may come out of this is that it might force wholesale reform.
    5. Re:China shouldn't have been selected by dwater · · Score: 1

      > For example, the people living inside China still don't know the reasons Spielberg gave for his resignation from the position of cultural director of the Olympic games in China. Just one small example.

      False. I am living in China and I know about it. ...or am I not part of 'the people'?

      I doubt 'the people' even knew he was anything to do with the Olympics, if they'd even heard of him at all. He *is* fairly well known, but he's not as important as people seem to think. I've read a few people on /. are not going to attend and/or view the Olympics for one reason or another too - and I doubt people in China are aware of those either.

      His political statement is certainly lost on people here and is purely for people outside of China and his own conscience. If they do know, then they probably think he's stupid and would make a better 'statement' on human rights by renouncing his US citizenship.

      On the other hand, perhaps that's the point you're trying to make...their media don't tell them the same 'facts' as your media tells you, so they think western governments are worse, while you think China's government is worse. ...and if you think western media isn't biased in the opposite direction, then you need a reality check of some kind.

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    6. Re:China shouldn't have been selected by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      You know about "it". OK, do you know the "why" as well? I don't care if he's important or not, I just want to know if the media mentioned Darfur and the connection with China, when they mentioned Spielberg's resignation. If the media omitted that little fact, that would make him indeed a very important person - one whose views the regime finds very unpleasant and intimidating enough to cover up.

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    7. Re:China shouldn't have been selected by dwater · · Score: 1

      yes they did because it was the bbc. I don't know about the local media because i don't watch chinese telivision (or cctv9 which is in english), but like i suggested, maybe they wouldn't mention it because he's not important enough to mention anyway so why would they show it?
      I don't suppose they mention any of the people on /. who say they aren't coming either.

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    8. Re:China shouldn't have been selected by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      I don't suppose they mention any of the people on /. who say they aren't coming either. I find it disingenuous to compare a random Slashdot poster with the art director of the olympic games. Still, I appreciate your view, but I must consider it your personal view only, in no way relevant to the reality of China.
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    9. Re:China shouldn't have been selected by dwater · · Score: 1

      nice reply :) fair enough

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  22. wait what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Olympics are still relevant to popular culture? Everyone knows the IOC are a bunch of litigious cunts. The games happen every two years which cheapens the event.

    1. Re:wait what by hansonc · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you just think of it as twice every 4 years it's exactly the same as it was up until they separated the winter and summer games into different years.

  23. Boycott the Olympics by The+Fanta+Menace · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    I will be boycotting the Olympics this year. I refuse to support such an event in a country that has such disregard for human rights and democracy. China should not have been allowed to host such an event until they demonstrate that they can behave decently.

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    1. Re:Boycott the Olympics by hansonc · · Score: 1

      That same statement can be directed at the 2010 games in Vancouver. The IOC has told women that they can't ski jump because their sport doesn't have enough competitors or countries involved, but they managed to add skier cross which has less countries and less competitors and less history but at least it will look good on tv.

      Just to add insult to injury the hill record for the Olympic ski jump in Vancouver is held by a US Woman ski jumper.

      Check out http://www.wsj2010.com/ for more information.

  24. The Rules by owlnation · · Score: 4, Funny

    The First Rule of the Olympics is:

    You don't talk about the Olympics.

    1. Re:The Rules by XnavxeMiyyep · · Score: 1

      The Second Rule of the Olympics is:
      You don't talk about the Olympics.

      The Third Rule of the Olympics is:
      ???

      The Fourth Rule of the Olympics is:
      Profit!

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  25. The world is Copyright crazy by LingNoi · · Score: 1

    It's not just the Olympics, it's everything. From architects having copyrights of any picture taken of his building empire state building, copyrights over dance moves and the blood sucking music industry with its hold over the "Happy Birthday" song.

    The world has become more pro IP rights, extending them and including rights on things that shouldn't be copyrighted in the first place.

  26. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by PlasticArmyMan · · Score: 1

    Why not exactly? If they're in China they can surely be locked up just the same as anyone else, athlete or no athlete. On the one hand it'll give a far more entertaining chase on the news.

  27. Choice: Don't Go, or Put Up and Shut Up by hattig · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Without the athletes, the Olympics is nothing.

    If the athletes actually feel strongly about issues relating to China, then they can choose not to go. Sure, you'll lose out on marketing deals and fame and ... ah, yes, I think we know how deep their feelings actually are.

    Many arguments say the best way to bring China into the modern world is to integrate them despite their flaws, to expose their peoples to alternative viewpoints. If they are correct, then the Olympics will overall be a good thing despite any current issues.

    1. Re:Choice: Don't Go, or Put Up and Shut Up by hansonc · · Score: 1

      "Without NBC and their money, the Olympics is nothing."

      There fixed that for you

    2. Re:Choice: Don't Go, or Put Up and Shut Up by LingNoi · · Score: 1

      Many arguments say the best way to bring China into the modern world is to integrate them despite their flaws, to expose their peoples to alternative viewpoints.
      They moved all the people away to make way for the Olympics.
    3. Re:Choice: Don't Go, or Put Up and Shut Up by hattig · · Score: 1

      It's hardly hosting it in China then!

      They should call it "The Olympics, hosted in Cleansed Land within the borders of China".

      Wonder how much the Chinese will ever know about their country hosting the Olympics, apart from it being great.

  28. Troll modding, wtf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chinese modders censoring you down there..

  29. Missing Option: by scarboni888 · · Score: 1
  30. Think of it as an opportunity by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1
    Somebody more clever than me needs to come up with a translation unit.
    Simply implement a language in English, using all of the right buzzwords that are politically correct, even award-winning, pro-regime statements.
    Then, once the blog post has departed China, run it through a filter, to determine what the poster really meant.
    Ideal Summer of Code project.
    Couple of existing examples of this:
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  31. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 4, Informative

    no they can't, china are just the host, its the IOC that have the say on that.

  32. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    that is now wars start and any ways if china locks up us athlete a trade ban will be very bad for them as the rest of the usa will not stand back and let that happen.

  33. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by Lobster+Quadrille · · Score: 1

    Considering the huge amount of commerce that goes on between the US and China, it will never happen. It's not exactly a tiny little island like Cuba.

    That said, if it ever did happen, it would probably be very effective.

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  34. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by PlasticArmyMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... nobody would start a war over an athlete. Over a political figure possibly. Besides, unless it was a US athlete they wouldn't care anyway.

  35. Further restrictions for New Zealanders by Airw0lf · · Score: 5, Informative

    Are athletes going to be allowed to blog about Chinese human rights issues? If you're an athlete from New Zealand, probably not. They seem to have been asked to sign an agreement that prevents them from making political comments about the Chinese regime. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/14/sports/OLY-New-Zealand-Free-Speech.php
    1. Re:Further restrictions for New Zealanders by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's the case in the US too. I had the impression it was for every country when I read it in the Economist.

    2. Re:Further restrictions for New Zealanders by bint · · Score: 1

      No, not for all. At least there was some backlash in the UK when they tried: http://the2008olympics.blogspot.com/2008/02/british-censorship-shambles.html . Still no "political propaganda" allowed during the olympics according to the IOC.

  36. Preventing Undercover Reporters? by FroBugg · · Score: 1

    I wonder if part of this isn't for protection of revenue, but for protection of the athletes. It seems perfectly possible that some smaller nations could add professional reporters with only moderate athletic abilities to their teams, giving the reporters intrusive undercover access to the other athletes.

  37. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    You're right, and they can't just drive tanks over protesters either.

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  38. The Olympics is about money by Alain+Williams · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The Olympics is about money, not sport - that died some years back. These restrictions are NOT of Chinese doing, it is the IOC that is doing it for it's own profit and that of the sponsors. It would be interesting to see how much money changes hands in brown paper bags.

    I shall not be watching - so don't count my eyes when you work out what the TV rights will cost.

  39. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    Not doing the Olympics unless they want to worse then Hitler.

    Hitler took "Jews not wanted" signs down for the Olympics and Jesse Owen general treatment in Germany was better than he had previously received in America as he had no problem using public transportation or entering bars.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_Summer_Olympics

  40. Not a terrible policy hut not great either. by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The IOC said blogs by athletes 'should take the form of a diary or journal and should not contain any interviews with other competitors at the games.

    I see their point. They don't want their athletes using the event to springboard a journalism career. This does involve interfering with their freedom of speech though. What if they want to tell everyone about the games in a more dispassionate way? Why shouldn't they?

    They also should not write about other athletes.

    Privacy? A bit heavy handed.

    Still pictures are allowed as long as they do not show Olympic events.

    Seems the IOC has become a corporate enterprise. It used to be all about promoting sports for its own sake. It's a shame that things have gone this way.

    Athletes must obtain the consent of their competitors if they wish to photograph them. Also, athletes cannot use their blogs for commercial gain."

    Both of these are laudable. The first is about the privacy of the other athletes. The second is about keeping to the amateur spirit of the games.

  41. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by ccarson · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Right. Practically speaking, China's hands are tied. If China were to react over anything said by an athlete, they would have an International public relations disaster on their hands. They know this, feel cornered and is why they have attempted to make athletes sign contracts to shut them up.

  42. Living up to their motto by coaxial · · Score: 1

    The IOC truly goes for the gold.

  43. I am so waiting for the implosion by gelfling · · Score: 1

    I don't know whether it will be a building collapse, a tainted product scandal, a massive protest, a large fire or what but I just know there's going to be some kind huge PRC meltdown overreaction replete with tanks in the streets, and deaths during this Olympics.

  44. Who gives a damn about copyright? by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    Here's something really whack. Freedom and knowledge, two more obscenities in today's world.

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  45. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    And the IOC are so afraid of the disastrous Olympics that a public relations issue would cause that they will do whatever the Chinese say to hush up the issue. Disqualify, return athletes to their home countries, etc.

  46. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    You are right, of course, and the OP is ignorant (and the mods that modded that post up, even more so), but he/she is, by chance, also correct: how do you think China got the games in the first place? Or how do you think China gets away with what they indirectly do in Darfur?

    Simple, just imagine a (phone?) conversation between a Chinese Communist Party high official and a minister of one of the countries represented in the olympic committee: "Dear minister, you are certainly aware of the prosperous and very large trade between our two countries. This is a clear sign of our friendly relations. We hope those relations will stay as amiable in the future, as our imports of goods are growing and your country is an important partner [blah blah]. One cloud that might obscure our relations could be the outcome of the vote in the IOC [blah blah / ok, I am not diplomatic enough, but you get the point]".

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  47. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by diskis · · Score: 1

    Yes. But which country would suffer more?
    Before you answer that question, think of where in general most of the stuff in world is manufactured.

  48. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by jamar0303 · · Score: 1

    What country would continue any kind of relations with China after they lock up one of said country's athletes for expressing themselves?

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  49. Re:We are the exploiters and the victims. by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 1

    I don't think this is about labor. The Olympics are being held in China because there are about a billion people there who've never had an Olympics in their country, and, if the games are truly global event, the Chinese must be included at some point.

  50. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Really? And how many guns does the IOC have? 'Cause the Chinese government has *lots*.

  51. Thus Continues the Spiral by Phoenix666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    into irrelevance that is the Olympics and its masters, the IOC. So rife with corruption, so lousy with commercialism, so compromised by professional "amateur" athletes.

    Really, the original intention of the Olympics has been completely sand-blasted away. The IOC not allowing the very people who are making the whole pageant possible to talk/blog about what the experience is like? It's the absurd cherry on top of one giant whopping sundae of hypocrisy.

    I will probably be shouted down by those who can't wait to wave the patriotic flag of country X at the games, but I say down with the Olympics, down with the IOC, and down with commercialized professional sports, for that matter.

    Wake me up if the world ever gets back to sports that are about community and excellence and human achievement. Until then, there are many better things to do.

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  52. wrong topic, try again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Non free labor? Free industry? I think you're confusing your gnu/eulogies with the topic at hand.

  53. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by Machtyn · · Score: 1

    The United States of Wal-mart, Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, (your favorite "Evil-Company" name here), etc.

  54. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by penguin+king · · Score: 1

    This is in fact rather sad. IIRC New Zealand (whilst in general a small and insignificant nation) has recently (ie within the last month) signed, or drawn up a free trade agreement (correct me if I'm not quite on top of the details, but this is my understanding on what was reported, I'm a scientist not a politician). Now NZ does have a fairly good standing in medal tallies for such a small country. I wonder how much political protesting our athletes would dare make... sad really!

  55. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh noes, we'll have to look elsewhere for those cheap plastic toys now!

  56. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by awrowe · · Score: 1

    Yes and no. When the athlete is within chinese borders, he or she is subject to chinese laws. I don't know this for sure, but I believe china has laws which prohibit certain political statements from being published. Stands to reason then that if an athlete breaks these laws, china is well within its rights to arrest said athlete and apply the weight of chinese law against him/her.

    Of course if china did that, there would be something of an outcry. However, given the whole 'free tibet' protest around the world, does it look as if china really gives a shit about PR?

    Be very careful grasshopper

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  57. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by awrowe · · Score: 1

    Perhaps not start a war, but I think it would be an interesting exercise in seeing how the USA responds to real issues concerning its country as opposed to the pretendy 'we'll help you out if you will just sign this document giving us cheaper oil' issues they jump on.

    Would the USA do anything if the country with the worlds largest standing army which just happens to also be one of the worlds fastest growing economies, not to mention a truly large population, decided to arrest a US athlete for saying that country sucks?

    I have a feeling the USs response would be to 'enter talks with the leaders of that country' then appear to be attempting to do something. In the meantime, the athlete involved could well end up staked out bottom up in a military prison somewhere in backwoods china.

    Eventually the USA would broker a deal to get the athlete released, which would basically mean that the USA had been made to bend over and accept whatever china asked for, whether it be aid, technology or some sort of trade agreement. Why? Because the US political leaders would have to be seen to be doing something for their errant citizen.

    That said though, there are already signs that the various countries are attempting to prevent embarrassing outbursts by their athletes. I have a feeling there will be a few more of those stories come to light and if they don't, it is because they have been hidden effectively.

    In China, chinese laws prevail. The athlete who decides to make too much of a statement over there could very easily find himself in extremely hot water.

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  58. What are the reprecussions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...if you blog about the regime?

    Down on the knees and shot through the head?

  59. amateur hour by damncrackmonkey · · Score: 1

    Amateur only is one of the most idiotic restrictions imaginable. Winning an olympic gold medal is supposed to signify that you're the best in the world. How can that be if you're not even good enough to go pro?

  60. I find all these posts unconscionable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe how many posters -- supposed nerds -- are going to boycott watching the Olympics apparently based on some political point, implying that they have no a priori disinterest in sports.

    You can all hand in your cards.

  61. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by electrosoccertux · · Score: 1

    Really? And how many guns does the IOC have? 'Cause the Chinese government has *lots*. They would never do this. They've been fighting tooth and nail to get an Olympics session; in hopes that by having one they can prove to the world they've entered the 21st century, are not North Korea, etc. This is a PR and China-Marketing event. Were they to do what you are insinuating, be most assured it would eventually get out, and in light of China feeling not-so-hunky-dory about their investment in the Dollar, and it's weakening value, it would be eaten up by the media as a means of shutting them up: "Who are you, that you threaten us about our dollar" etc. etc.
  62. Re:China can't just come in take athletes way to p by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

    And then they get a call from the US and a load of European nations telling them to vote the other way, what do they do then? China defiantly has a big mouth, but they don't have the biggest balls yet.

  63. Who modded this guy up? by siesindallerscheisse · · Score: 1

    "Really? And how many guns does the IOC have? 'Cause the Chinese government has *lots*."

    And?

    These are Olympic athletes under the full spotlight cast by the television presence at the Olympics. What exactly do you think China is going to do with those guns? How could anyone honestly think China would use force to silence Olympic athletes.

    Can you say "international pariah"?

    So the answer is "Yes, really."

  64. Blog under a pseudonym by davotoula · · Score: 1

    This should give you the freedom to describe minute details about the Olympic Games and as a bonus to criticize the government.

    Maybe you can be creative and call your blog Fake Carolina Kluft while in fact being Kelly Sotherton!