It's easier for a user to kill an errant process rather than an errant thread within the process.
Killing threads is a very bad idea (even from within the program that created them) because it just cuts them off at the exact instruction that they're at, which could leave the process and stack in an unstable state, and if the process is running as root, possibly even the system. Therefore (IIRC) it is impossible to kill a thread from another process, and strongly discouraged from within the process.
Solaris supports hot-swapping of processors on larger SPARC systems.
Dear GOD! Hot swapping friggin' PROCESSORS??? Damn, my P2 completely locked up (the power button wouldn't even work, I had to pull the plug) when I tried to plug in the audio cable from the CD-ROM into my sound card while it was running.
Now I don't mind making FTP easier, I quite like IE5's ftp interface, and I long for the day when I can map an ftp site as a directory, but this dumbing down of the web IMHO is a bad move.
Errr.... you can do this with the GNU Midnight Commander under linux... you can create a shortcut on the desktop to an FTP site and it looks and feels like a directory... I think.... it's either that or KDE that I'm thinking of, but it works with one of them. Either way, drag and drop, in-place editing, deletion, etc... all work with it.
12 hours of continuous mp3 decoding on 2 AAA batteries? I don't think so....
What's wrong with that? I get about 12 hours continuous play with 32 second ESP on my Sony discman with 2 AA batteries, and I'm sure that by not having to constantly run a motor you can get that from 2 AAA's.
I'm currently writing a game which will be similar to Ultima Online (I've never played it, but from what I've heard about it, anyway), only cooler:-)
Anyway, I want to know if I should take precautions against this in my game or just allow it? Obviously I'd have unique ID numbers stored in each object on your computer, which would not be changeable, so that each object can only be used or "owned" by one player at a time. But should I take precautions so that each object can only be used from one machine (by a unique ID stored on the hard drive) or allow users to trade/sell them?
Unfortunately, this is a time when writing this game as Open Source is not feasible, because it would allow users to see the format of the game data files and change things such as object ID's and be able to change them so that they can duplicate or enhance objects.
Hmmm.... I dunno, I've been using NT4 for months now and haven't gotten a single blue screen... the performance SUCKS on my P2-350, but it hasn't crashed yet. Of course, maybe that's cuz I only use it for an hour or so at a time before I can't stand it anymore and reboot into good ol' Linux.
There's a whole bunch of little subtle things that are needed to be done for sound mixing in a game. Rather than feed sound to the sound card one sample at a time (which would be easy to do mixing this way but use TONS of CPU power) you have to be able to feed larger buffers in but still be able to instantaneously play a sound (like a gunshot, eg.) without waiting for the buffer to finish playing. This takes some thought. Of course, there is Linux's mmap() interface to/dev/dsp (which I admit I haven't looked at, but it looks real nice from what I've seen), but I don't know if such a thing exists on MacOS/Windows. All in all, the code to do FAST realtime mixing is pretty fsck'ing hairy.
The problem is that you have 3 button emulation enabled in your X server. So when you try to shoot and run, Quake goes "Oh! he let go of mouse 1 and pushed mouse 3! what do I do for mouse 3? nothing? ok." instead of "Oh! he's pushing mouse 1 and mouse 2! run and shoot!"
This is off topic, but I had to say it because it's starting to irritate me. Aren't all the jokes with "^H^H^H^H^H" all over the place starting to get a bit old? Maybe they were funny the first time, but they're really starting to get stale.
I would like to know how much the price Id's Qukae 3 Arena was *inflated* because they developed for three seperate platforms. Mac, Windows, and Linux are probably much farther apart in a programming sense than I would assume three versions of windows would be.
Nope. All three versions use standard OpenGL calls, which are exactly the same on all platforms. The only things that had to be changed were mundane, easy things, like setting the video mode and handling mouse/keyboard input. Well, some harder stuff, like networking and sound handling (which can be a BITCH to do realtime mixing), but probably 95% of the code was exactly the same on all platforms.
t really depends on your needs but a good one is the Riva TNT base one from Creative it's pretty much a bare bones card, so it's really cheap nowadays.
Are there actually TNT GL drivers for Linux now? I thought we had to wait until the TNT2 came out and use those drivers (backwards compatibility, right?)
EVERYONE feels lonely, alienated, picked on, and an outcast in high school. With the POSSIBLE exception of the captian of the football team and the prom queen. It's part natural teenage emotion, and partially just the general cruelty that kids at that age treat each other with.
Ummm... or not. In high school (which ended last year) I was a crossbreed geek/druggie/hippie type. I don't agree with you that everybody feels alienated,..., in high school, because I sure didn't. I had a great time in high school. Sure, I wasn't the most popular kid in high school, but I still had a great time with my friends (and my bong... heh heh heh) I dated a fair number of girls, all of them attractive, some even "popular," one of which I'm still dating and in love with after almost 2 years together. I took computer classes, I programmed in my spare time, I looked at MAD porn on the internet, did all these "geek"-like things. I managed to be myself in high school, not worry about fitting in (even though I seem to have a natural ability to), and not worry about being the most popular kid in school. I had a great time in high school.
Of course, I can definately understand how much it would suck to be fat, ugly, acne-covered, whatever, in high school, because I saw these kids get picked on a lot. I made an effort not to pick on these kids (except the ones who I was friends with, I picked on these kids constantly, but they knew I was just kidding around.) If I saw one of the popular kids picking on one of the unpopular kids, I'd try to step in and do something about it. Once one of the most popular members on the football team was harassing a nerdy freshman coming out of the library (I was a junior at this point). I stepped in and told him to leave the kid alone. He assaulted me, and I beat the living PISS out of him. I broke his nose and bruised 3 of his ribs. Once the story got the administration, I was actually PRAISED by my housemaster. (the other kid attacked me so I was able to play it off as self defense.)
To all those people who are geeks in high school and feel unpopular, picked on, whatever, I have advice for you: Don't worry about being popular, don't worry about being accepted. Just do your own thing, let the popular kids know you couldn't give a shit about their opinion of you, and they'll start to respect you. Because the popular kids are really just as insecure as you, but for some reason they are accepted by everybody else. They really wish they could do their own thing and not act like everybody else, but are too chicken to do it, and as a result feel a need to persecute those who have the guts to be independant. I know, I was friends with many of these people in high school, and this is exactly how their minds work. Once you show them that you can stand up to their persecution, they'll stop, and begin to respect you.
I'm hereby offering to sell my programming/sysadmin services for a carton of fresh (they're stale and you're DEAD) Marlboro Reds and a case of Olde E 40s a week.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
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Would somebody mind clarifying something for me? What exactly entails being "GNOME-compliant" or "KDE-compliant"? I know there's things like drag-and-drop, but I was under the impression that because of the new X drag-and-drop protocol that they would be compatible with each other. Also, there's the idea of embedding into the panel/desktop/whatever. What else is involved?
Also, are there any practical limitations to making an application compliant with BOTH desktops? If not, what was the whole point of the desktop wars? Why couldn't application developers write apps that were compliant with both desktops and let the user choose one based on personal preference?
Well, it depends what you use Linux for. It lacks in IDEs, which are an important and useful programming tool, especially for large projects. It also is lacking in web browsers. Lynx is great for a textmode browser, but there is no good graphical web browser for Linux (no, Netscape does not count) on par with Opera for Windows.
Awhile ago it was announced that Opera for Linux was under development.
It's also missing games. Sure, there's Quake, but that's just the 5th rehash of Wolfenstein 3d. Even if you happen to like it, it's still only one game, compared to the thousands that Windows has.
I know, this is a good point. However, there are games under development for Linux. I am the lead programmer and project coordinator on a kickass networked game currently being developed simultaneously for Linux, MacOS, and Windows. Sorry guys, I can't tell you anything about it, but I'll tell you this: it's very different, and IMHO much more fun and exciting, than anything out there today. It'll be worth the wait. Believe me. 1999 is going to be a great year for Linux. I only wish we were releasing this game as OSS, but unfortunately I don't have any say in that.
I found out some programs (like rvplayer, xwave, etc) don't like the es137x driver. Rvplayer seems to distort a little and xwave just doesn't work (complains about 256byte buffer)
This thread was a long time ago, and I'm not sure if you're gonna see this, but I read in the kernel source docs why this is... the es137x chipset doesn't support directly playing.au files like you can do with most sound cards (i.e. cat file.au >/dev/dsp), and implementing it without breaking the mmap() interface would be very difficult. Since Quake 2 uses mmap(), the authors decided to keep it the way it was because they thought it was more important. It was:-)
Just thought i'd put in my opinion of O'Reilly books, for those of you that care (of course, all of you that do care probably already KNOW:-)
O'REILLY ROCKS! They put out the best computer/programming books I've ever read. They're concise and to the point. No mindless garbage. Except Larry Wall's Perl anecdotes, but those are funny.:-)
The only O'Reilly book I have that I wish I didn't buy was a book on the PalmPilot. From the table of contents and the back, it seemed like the book would have some good information on programming the damn thing, but all it has is a little chapter saying "Buy CodeWarrior and read the manual it comes with" or something to that effect. Ugh.
Oh yeah, and I wish I didn't buy that Perl handbook thingy, but only because I lost it somewhere under a pile of crap in my dorm and ended up spilling bong water on it:-(
Downloading these movies, burning them, and watching them on your home theatre system is more convenient that going out to the movies.
* no noisy people * no over priced snacks * perfect seating * you don't have to meet someone else's schedule * you don't have to get dressed:)
I pirate audio CDs for a similar reason - convenience. CDs are a pain in the ass.
All that said, bootlegging movies is still illegal, but it happens.
Ok, assume for a minute that Micros~1 stole the linux kernel code and made it the kernel of Windows 2000. Suddenly Windows is all stable, runs much faster,... They claim that "It was more convenient for us to copy this code than to write it ourselves." Would you buy that argument? No. Chances are you'd be bitching about it for years to come. Unfortunately, it's the same thing. What they both boil down to is the theft of intellectual property. Nothing more, nothing less. Only when YOU do it to somebody ELSE, you can justify it to yourself. When somebody else does it to YOU, suddenly they're the most evil people in the world.
I saw a great quote here awhile back, forget who said it: "If you have to justify your actions to yourself, they're probably wrong." Take that advice.
I don't know about that. On my ethernet here at college, I downloaded a 1.2 gig file in 15 minutes (not off the local subnet either), but I'm not sure what kind of connection we have to the outside world. Seems pretty fuckin' fast though.
Slashdot Mirror
I think we should all get the prize, because apparently the server has been Slashdotted :-)
[spong@rush ~]$ telnet crashtest.idsoftware.com 27960
Trying 192.246.40.68...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
[spong@rush ~]$
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
It's easier for a user to kill an errant process rather than an errant thread within the process.
Killing threads is a very bad idea (even from within the program that created them) because it just cuts them off at the exact instruction that they're at, which could leave the process and stack in an unstable state, and if the process is running as root, possibly even the system. Therefore (IIRC) it is impossible to kill a thread from another process, and strongly discouraged from within the process.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
Solaris supports hot-swapping of processors on larger SPARC systems.
Dear GOD! Hot swapping friggin' PROCESSORS??? Damn, my P2 completely locked up (the power button wouldn't even work, I had to pull the plug) when I tried to plug in the audio cable from the CD-ROM into my sound card while it was running.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
Now I don't mind making FTP easier, I quite like IE5's ftp interface, and I long for the day when I can map an ftp site as a directory, but this dumbing down of the web IMHO is a bad move.
Errr.... you can do this with the GNU Midnight Commander under linux... you can create a shortcut on the desktop to an FTP site and it looks and feels like a directory... I think.... it's either that or KDE that I'm thinking of, but it works with one of them. Either way, drag and drop, in-place editing, deletion, etc... all work with it.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
12 hours of continuous mp3 decoding on 2 AAA batteries? I don't think so....
What's wrong with that? I get about 12 hours continuous play with 32 second ESP on my Sony discman with 2 AA batteries, and I'm sure that by not having to constantly run a motor you can get that from 2 AAA's.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
I'm currently writing a game which will be similar to Ultima Online (I've never played it, but from what I've heard about it, anyway), only cooler :-)
Anyway, I want to know if I should take precautions against this in my game or just allow it? Obviously I'd have unique ID numbers stored in each object on your computer, which would not be changeable, so that each object can only be used or "owned" by one player at a time. But should I take precautions so that each object can only be used from one machine (by a unique ID stored on the hard drive) or allow users to trade/sell them?
Unfortunately, this is a time when writing this game as Open Source is not feasible, because it would allow users to see the format of the game data files and change things such as object ID's and be able to change them so that they can duplicate or enhance objects.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
...but unless the comics are new, and not published on the web, I can't see why I would buy them...
Ummm.... what about comics that are published every day in newspapers and then compiled into a book? How is this any different from that?
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
Yeah, and they'll probably install the new SP5 on the NT system too.
I dual-boot with NT4 (for 3dsmax) and i looked on Micro$haft's webiste, but I couldn't find anything about SP5. Is it out yet?
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
NT: Not The...
...pause...
...blue screen
Hmmm.... I dunno, I've been using NT4 for months now and haven't gotten a single blue screen... the performance SUCKS on my P2-350, but it hasn't crashed yet. Of course, maybe that's cuz I only use it for an hour or so at a time before I can't stand it anymore and reboot into good ol' Linux.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
There's a whole bunch of little subtle things that are needed to be done for sound mixing in a game. Rather than feed sound to the sound card one sample at a time (which would be easy to do mixing this way but use TONS of CPU power) you have to be able to feed larger buffers in but still be able to instantaneously play a sound (like a gunshot, eg.) without waiting for the buffer to finish playing. This takes some thought. Of course, there is Linux's mmap() interface to /dev/dsp (which I admit I haven't looked at, but it looks real nice from what I've seen), but I don't know if such a thing exists on MacOS/Windows. All in all, the code to do FAST realtime mixing is pretty fsck'ing hairy.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
The problem is that you have 3 button emulation enabled in your X server. So when you try to shoot and run, Quake goes "Oh! he let go of mouse 1 and pushed mouse 3! what do I do for mouse 3? nothing? ok." instead of "Oh! he's pushing mouse 1 and mouse 2! run and shoot!"
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
This is off topic, but I had to say it because it's starting to irritate me. Aren't all the jokes with "^H^H^H^H^H" all over the place starting to get a bit old? Maybe they were funny the first time, but they're really starting to get stale.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
I would like to know how much the price Id's Qukae 3 Arena was *inflated* because they developed for three seperate platforms. Mac, Windows, and Linux are probably much farther apart in a programming sense than I would assume three versions of windows would be.
Nope. All three versions use standard OpenGL calls, which are exactly the same on all platforms. The only things that had to be changed were mundane, easy things, like setting the video mode and handling mouse/keyboard input. Well, some harder stuff, like networking and sound handling (which can be a BITCH to do realtime mixing), but probably 95% of the code was exactly the same on all platforms.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
t really depends on your needs but a good one is the Riva TNT base one from Creative it's pretty much a bare bones card, so it's really cheap nowadays.
Are there actually TNT GL drivers for Linux now? I thought we had to wait until the TNT2 came out and use those drivers (backwards compatibility, right?)
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
I thought stable versions ended in even numbered digits. Or am I just dumb?
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
EVERYONE feels lonely, alienated, picked on, and an outcast in high school. With the POSSIBLE exception of the captian of the football team and the prom queen. It's part natural teenage emotion, and partially just the general cruelty that kids at that age treat each other with.
..., in high school, because I sure didn't. I had a great time in high school. Sure, I wasn't the most popular kid in high school, but I still had a great time with my friends (and my bong... heh heh heh) I dated a fair number of girls, all of them attractive, some even "popular," one of which I'm still dating and in love with after almost 2 years together. I took computer classes, I programmed in my spare time, I looked at MAD porn on the internet, did all these "geek"-like things. I managed to be myself in high school, not worry about fitting in (even though I seem to have a natural ability to), and not worry about being the most popular kid in school. I had a great time in high school.
Ummm... or not. In high school (which ended last year) I was a crossbreed geek/druggie/hippie type. I don't agree with you that everybody feels alienated,
Of course, I can definately understand how much it would suck to be fat, ugly, acne-covered, whatever, in high school, because I saw these kids get picked on a lot. I made an effort not to pick on these kids (except the ones who I was friends with, I picked on these kids constantly, but they knew I was just kidding around.) If I saw one of the popular kids picking on one of the unpopular kids, I'd try to step in and do something about it. Once one of the most popular members on the football team was harassing a nerdy freshman coming out of the library (I was a junior at this point). I stepped in and told him to leave the kid alone. He assaulted me, and I beat the living PISS out of him. I broke his nose and bruised 3 of his ribs. Once the story got the administration, I was actually PRAISED by my housemaster. (the other kid attacked me so I was able to play it off as self defense.)
To all those people who are geeks in high school and feel unpopular, picked on, whatever, I have advice for you: Don't worry about being popular, don't worry about being accepted. Just do your own thing, let the popular kids know you couldn't give a shit about their opinion of you, and they'll start to respect you. Because the popular kids are really just as insecure as you, but for some reason they are accepted by everybody else. They really wish they could do their own thing and not act like everybody else, but are too chicken to do it, and as a result feel a need to persecute those who have the guts to be independant. I know, I was friends with many of these people in high school, and this is exactly how their minds work. Once you show them that you can stand up to their persecution, they'll stop, and begin to respect you.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
I'm hereby offering to sell my programming/sysadmin services for a carton of fresh (they're stale and you're DEAD) Marlboro Reds and a case of Olde E 40s a week.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
Would somebody mind clarifying something for me? What exactly entails being "GNOME-compliant" or "KDE-compliant"? I know there's things like drag-and-drop, but I was under the impression that because of the new X drag-and-drop protocol that they would be compatible with each other. Also, there's the idea of embedding into the panel/desktop/whatever. What else is involved?
Also, are there any practical limitations to making an application compliant with BOTH desktops? If not, what was the whole point of the desktop wars? Why couldn't application developers write apps that were compliant with both desktops and let the user choose one based on personal preference?
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
The school wouldn't put me in the academically advanced gifted classes for some reason, and I was board most of the time.
Well, it depends what you use Linux for. It lacks in IDEs, which are an important and useful programming tool, especially for large projects. It also is lacking in web browsers. Lynx is great for a textmode browser, but there is no good graphical web browser for Linux (no, Netscape does not count) on par with Opera for Windows.
Awhile ago it was announced that Opera for Linux was under development.
It's also missing games. Sure, there's Quake, but that's just the 5th rehash of Wolfenstein 3d. Even if you happen to like it, it's still only one game, compared to the thousands that Windows has.
I know, this is a good point. However, there are games under development for Linux. I am the lead programmer and project coordinator on a kickass networked game currently being developed simultaneously for Linux, MacOS, and Windows. Sorry guys, I can't tell you anything about it, but I'll tell you this: it's very different, and IMHO much more fun and exciting, than anything out there today. It'll be worth the wait. Believe me. 1999 is going to be a great year for Linux. I only wish we were releasing this game as OSS, but unfortunately I don't have any say in that.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
definetly no free beer to read the free speech. :)
Hey... where is all this "free beer" I keep hearing so much about?
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
I found out some programs (like rvplayer, xwave, etc) don't like the es137x driver. Rvplayer seems to distort a little and xwave just doesn't work (complains about 256byte buffer)
.au files like you can do with most sound cards (i.e. cat file.au > /dev/dsp), and implementing it without breaking the mmap() interface would be very difficult. Since Quake 2 uses mmap(), the authors decided to keep it the way it was because they thought it was more important. It was :-)
This thread was a long time ago, and I'm not sure if you're gonna see this, but I read in the kernel source docs why this is... the es137x chipset doesn't support directly playing
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
Just thought i'd put in my opinion of O'Reilly books, for those of you that care (of course, all of you that do care probably already KNOW :-)
:-)
:-(
O'REILLY ROCKS! They put out the best computer/programming books I've ever read. They're concise and to the point. No mindless garbage. Except Larry Wall's Perl anecdotes, but those are funny.
The only O'Reilly book I have that I wish I didn't buy was a book on the PalmPilot. From the table of contents and the back, it seemed like the book would have some good information on programming the damn thing, but all it has is a little chapter saying "Buy CodeWarrior and read the manual it comes with" or something to that effect. Ugh.
Oh yeah, and I wish I didn't buy that Perl handbook thingy, but only because I lost it somewhere under a pile of crap in my dorm and ended up spilling bong water on it
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
think you're missing one of the key points.
:)
... They claim that "It was more convenient for us to copy this code than to write it ourselves." Would you buy that argument? No. Chances are you'd be bitching about it for years to come. Unfortunately, it's the same thing. What they both boil down to is the theft of intellectual property. Nothing more, nothing less. Only when YOU do it to somebody ELSE, you can justify it to yourself. When somebody else does it to YOU, suddenly they're the most evil people in the world.
Downloading these movies, burning them, and watching them on your home theatre system is more convenient that going out to the movies.
* no noisy people
* no over priced snacks
* perfect seating
* you don't have to meet someone else's schedule
* you don't have to get dressed
I pirate audio CDs for a similar reason - convenience. CDs are a pain in the ass.
All that said, bootlegging movies is still illegal, but it happens.
Ok, assume for a minute that Micros~1 stole the linux kernel code and made it the kernel of Windows 2000. Suddenly Windows is all stable, runs much faster,
I saw a great quote here awhile back, forget who said it: "If you have to justify your actions to yourself, they're probably wrong." Take that advice.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"
I don't know about that. On my ethernet here at college, I downloaded a 1.2 gig file in 15 minutes (not off the local subnet either), but I'm not sure what kind of connection we have to the outside world. Seems pretty fuckin' fast though.
"Software is like sex- the best is for free"