So you are saying that it is possible to create an application that is able to play content on vista without going through the content protection measures to affirm its unprotected status? Are you seriously saying that Microsoft sold snake oil to the content producers? Never mind answering that, selling snake oil is what they have been doing since they sold IBM an operating system that they didn't own and wasn't even written yet
Here's the question, and answer it for a change: how do you play any content on Vista without clearing it with the kernel first? You keep asserting it can be done, so why don't you prove it for a change? Just saying 'it ain't so' is not going to cut it forever, you know. In the meantime, you'll excuse me if I take a computer scientist with a long publishing history in cryptography a little more seriously than an anonymous Microsoft shill on a message board.
Well, guess what, Mr. Shill, even implementing an open spec may leave you open to charges of copyright infringement, if you don't document your processes. Which is why Compaq chose to do a clean-room reverse-engineered implementation, to cover their arses, because IBM has always been known to have a trigger-happy legal division, then even more than now.
And as for your pro-Vista shilling, how does Vista enforce that applications use a secure media path? You keep dancing around that, don't you? I wonder why that is?
Heh. Playing semantics with habituation vs. addiction is not a smart thing to do if you then start crying that LSD users only suffer from habituation, not addiction.
But I knew this the first minute you started your bull, and this goes for tomhudson too: by conflating the habit of smoking with the actual nicotine addiction, you get some nice scary figures to throw around, because the relapse rates for stopped smokers is so high. Guess what: that does not necessarily have anything to do with nicotine addiction.
Compaq had to reverse-engineer the BIOS to make a functionally identical copy without copying the code itself. The BIOS itself was fully documented, there were even full listings of the code available.
As for the implications of a cartoon: those are your responsibility. The rest of the world is content with what is actually written.
The Yorktown: explain to me how it is not the fault of the Operating System that the entire system goes down for one misbehaving application? Microsoft weenies may be used to that, but the rest of the world has higher standards, you know.
Explain to me how the DRM subsystems don't get activated for unprotected content. Here's a hint: how do you determine whether or not something is protected content? Magic?!
Really, do you Microserfs think the rest of the world is stupid?
I'm a little bit surprised that slashdot has Tivo users.
You must be new here.
<Looks at gnick's/. ID>
Oh wait...
Slashdot has always had a sizeable contingent of Tivo fans, including editors. A few years back one could not open the frontpage without at least one Tivo story. The current MS shilling and Apple fanboism may make it a little less obvious these days, of course...
Don't make me fucking laugh. Nicotine is about as addictive as coffee. The detox effects are two/three days of mild dizziness and concentration problems, that's it. And you think that compares to cocaine? Or worse than LSD? Are you stupid?
I'll make you a bet. You take 3 hits of LSD for two weeks, and then we both go cold turkey. Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is?
Oh goddammit. Please stop regurgitating the Waggener-Edstrom bullshit, OK?
IBM did make the PC architecture open. It was a side effect of the PC being built from off-the-shelf components, but the architecture was open nonetheless. The cartoon is a joke for fuck's sake. And are you denying that a divide-by-zero error in an application disabled the shipboard systems, which were running NT, on the Yoktown?
Fundamentally, the point remains the same: in order to please the content companies, Microsoft crippled functionality (no digital S/PDIF out), and put resource-gobbling crypto in all content playback. You cannot deny that, as even Microsoft acknowledges this as design goals for Vista. And even DRM-free content has to pass through the new subsystems, to validate that it does not have protections. That means all content runs through the DRM subsystems. There is no way around that without invoking magic.
BTW, what do you corporate masters think of you using a gmail account?
It would help the argument a lot if people would stop posting the link to Peter Gutman's first paper. He already has acknowledged that some facts were based on pre-release versions of Vista, and Microsoft trial-balloons.
The newer slideshow addresses much the same issues, without the minor holes the MS astroturfers can use to misdirect attention away from the main points.
As far as addiction goes, nicotine's one of the nastiest substances out there, except for morphines.
Bullshit. Absolute, unmitigated, smelly bullshit.
Try this thought experiment: I continue with my two/three pipes a day tobacco habit (and I smoke English-style flakes, high in nicotine content), while you start three-shots-a-day of the drug of your choice. In two weeks, we both quit cold turkey. Do you want to bet which one of us will have the most problems?
Don't be silly. Holding a phone to your ear without holding a conversation is so vanishingly improbable, that your attempt to equal it with stick shifting is laughable at best.
Rolling something out slowly, and continuing to use a competing product on the majority of their pages does not qualify as an effort in my opinion.
Especially not since they both 100% control their web environment, and the technology they are rolling out. If they don't have a staging farm where they could do a full rollout, and if they don't make the effort to plan that rollout to coincide with the release of their newest product (which they are touting as a Flash-killer, with lots of hoopla), then they do get a black eye, publicity-wise.
But then again, why would they care, as there are plenty of people out there willing to do the hard work of justifying their decisions for them.
I still disagree. Holding a phone up to your ear (presumably while engaged in conversation) takes a lot more conscious effort than shifting gears, which ought to be almost unconscious.
I just used curve as it feels like more of an all-purpose word, describing both normal bends in the road, and outright corners, where you would corner onto a different road.
As for lack of traction with the clutch disengaged, that definitely happens. As you yourself describe, you hold a bit of acceleration in a corner; this is because accelaration will put a vector onto the wheels that is perpendicular to the road (more so on cars than on bikes), increasing traction. Technically, as long as the wheels roll, you have traction of course, but keeping the clutch engaged means you keep control over your traction. With the clutch disengaged, you have no control anymore.
Of course, as a motorcycle rider, I'm much more sensitive to the forces working on my cornering. Hence why driving lessons here in.nl focus so much on correct shifting. A car has much more leeway.
There is no distraction in driving stick. If your instructor has not managed to train you to do it automatically without thinking, you fail your exam. At least, you do in countries that have more stringent standards than 'being able to complete a circuit around a parking lot' that seems to be the U.S. standard.
1. Not shifting in a curve is not so much to do with driver attention. In any country where stick-shift is the norm (i.e. everywhere except the U.S.), shifting is an ingrained habit that is trained for in driving lessons. It has more to do with not disengaging the clutch while in a curve, as you will lose traction that way, which can be dangerous. In fact, motorcycle riders are taught not to shift at all in curves, and part of their driving lessons is to correctly gauge curves so they shift before starting the curve. Of course, mistakes happen, but that is irrelevant to the main thrust of the argument.
2. Riding with your hand on the stick will ruin your gears, as it puts pressure on the gearshift mechanism.
(Sidenote to CmdrTaco et al: fix the damned lists already, willya?)
Re your Silverlight-versus-Flash comment: it is a known part of the Microsoft culture to 'eat your own dogfood'. The fact that they apparently have not even made an effort to roll out Silverlight on their own site is remarkable in the light of this.
There may be no need to RTFA, but UYFB (a.k.a. Use Your Fucking Brain) would have been nice.
Consider: on days the windfarm doesn't produce enough, the town will have to use alternative sources, most of which will be traditional coal/gas/nuclear. On days the windfarm overproduces, they sell electricity back to the grid, meaning someone else somewhere else does not have to use traditional energy sources.
Since the windfarm is projected to provide more power than projected demand, it will have a net positive effect.
In the 80s, we had plenty of incompatible corporate networks, where you would get charged an arm and a leg for what was effectively access to a few mailing lists.
In the meantime, the U.S. government was hard at work creating a set of networking standards that would allow anyone to connect to any network. After the work of a few visionaries, including a then Senator, this network was opened to the public, making it possible for you to post your inane drivel on a free discussion site.
Yeah, government-provided services are generally sub-par.
Yes, I am complaining about that. I am however not surprised at the provincial reactions here on Slashdot. If even the fine fleur of your journalism uses 'world-wide market' when talking about the U.S. market only, don't be surprised if the rest of the world reacts with scorn.
And if you can't distinguish bashing American Journalism from bashing the United States, then the dumbing-down effects of your media on your population are, IMO, proven.
It is the standard behaviour of plenty file selectors to use type-ahead find. Even Windows does this. So why would you not even try what is logical in the Gtk file selector? Only because it looks different? Don't be silly.
And yes, you spread misinformation. And if it is that easy to remedy, then you should not whine if people suspect you are spreading FUD. Next time, try thinking before posting. It might spare you some grief.
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So you are saying that it is possible to create an application that is able to play content on vista without going through the content protection measures to affirm its unprotected status? Are you seriously saying that Microsoft sold snake oil to the content producers? Never mind answering that, selling snake oil is what they have been doing since they sold IBM an operating system that they didn't own and wasn't even written yet
Here's the question, and answer it for a change: how do you play any content on Vista without clearing it with the kernel first? You keep asserting it can be done, so why don't you prove it for a change? Just saying 'it ain't so' is not going to cut it forever, you know. In the meantime, you'll excuse me if I take a computer scientist with a long publishing history in cryptography a little more seriously than an anonymous Microsoft shill on a message board.
MartWell, guess what, Mr. Shill, even implementing an open spec may leave you open to charges of copyright infringement, if you don't document your processes. Which is why Compaq chose to do a clean-room reverse-engineered implementation, to cover their arses, because IBM has always been known to have a trigger-happy legal division, then even more than now.
And as for your pro-Vista shilling, how does Vista enforce that applications use a secure media path? You keep dancing around that, don't you? I wonder why that is?
MartHeh. Playing semantics with habituation vs. addiction is not a smart thing to do if you then start crying that LSD users only suffer from habituation, not addiction.
But I knew this the first minute you started your bull, and this goes for tomhudson too: by conflating the habit of smoking with the actual nicotine addiction, you get some nice scary figures to throw around, because the relapse rates for stopped smokers is so high. Guess what: that does not necessarily have anything to do with nicotine addiction.
MartCompaq had to reverse-engineer the BIOS to make a functionally identical copy without copying the code itself. The BIOS itself was fully documented, there were even full listings of the code available.
As for the implications of a cartoon: those are your responsibility. The rest of the world is content with what is actually written.
The Yorktown: explain to me how it is not the fault of the Operating System that the entire system goes down for one misbehaving application? Microsoft weenies may be used to that, but the rest of the world has higher standards, you know.
Explain to me how the DRM subsystems don't get activated for unprotected content. Here's a hint: how do you determine whether or not something is protected content? Magic?!
Really, do you Microserfs think the rest of the world is stupid?
MartYou must be new here.
<Looks at gnick's /. ID>
Oh wait...
Slashdot has always had a sizeable contingent of Tivo fans, including editors. A few years back one could not open the frontpage without at least one Tivo story. The current MS shilling and Apple fanboism may make it a little less obvious these days, of course...
MartDon't make me fucking laugh. Nicotine is about as addictive as coffee. The detox effects are two/three days of mild dizziness and concentration problems, that's it. And you think that compares to cocaine? Or worse than LSD? Are you stupid?
I'll make you a bet. You take 3 hits of LSD for two weeks, and then we both go cold turkey. Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is?
MartOh goddammit. Please stop regurgitating the Waggener-Edstrom bullshit, OK?
IBM did make the PC architecture open. It was a side effect of the PC being built from off-the-shelf components, but the architecture was open nonetheless. The cartoon is a joke for fuck's sake. And are you denying that a divide-by-zero error in an application disabled the shipboard systems, which were running NT, on the Yoktown?
Fundamentally, the point remains the same: in order to please the content companies, Microsoft crippled functionality (no digital S/PDIF out), and put resource-gobbling crypto in all content playback. You cannot deny that, as even Microsoft acknowledges this as design goals for Vista. And even DRM-free content has to pass through the new subsystems, to validate that it does not have protections. That means all content runs through the DRM subsystems. There is no way around that without invoking magic.
BTW, what do you corporate masters think of you using a gmail account?
MartIt would help the argument a lot if people would stop posting the link to Peter Gutman's first paper. He already has acknowledged that some facts were based on pre-release versions of Vista, and Microsoft trial-balloons.
The newer slideshow addresses much the same issues, without the minor holes the MS astroturfers can use to misdirect attention away from the main points.
MartBullshit. Absolute, unmitigated, smelly bullshit.
Try this thought experiment: I continue with my two/three pipes a day tobacco habit (and I smoke English-style flakes, high in nicotine content), while you start three-shots-a-day of the drug of your choice. In two weeks, we both quit cold turkey. Do you want to bet which one of us will have the most problems?
Thought so.
MartEither you are really fucking stupid, or you have not ever programmed with d-bus and you are just spreading FUD.
MartI think it is quite obvious who is the idiot here.
MartDon't be silly. Holding a phone to your ear without holding a conversation is so vanishingly improbable, that your attempt to equal it with stick shifting is laughable at best.
MartRolling something out slowly, and continuing to use a competing product on the majority of their pages does not qualify as an effort in my opinion.
Especially not since they both 100% control their web environment, and the technology they are rolling out. If they don't have a staging farm where they could do a full rollout, and if they don't make the effort to plan that rollout to coincide with the release of their newest product (which they are touting as a Flash-killer, with lots of hoopla), then they do get a black eye, publicity-wise.
But then again, why would they care, as there are plenty of people out there willing to do the hard work of justifying their decisions for them.
MartI still disagree. Holding a phone up to your ear (presumably while engaged in conversation) takes a lot more conscious effort than shifting gears, which ought to be almost unconscious.
The two are not remotely equivalent.
MartI just used curve as it feels like more of an all-purpose word, describing both normal bends in the road, and outright corners, where you would corner onto a different road.
As for lack of traction with the clutch disengaged, that definitely happens. As you yourself describe, you hold a bit of acceleration in a corner; this is because accelaration will put a vector onto the wheels that is perpendicular to the road (more so on cars than on bikes), increasing traction. Technically, as long as the wheels roll, you have traction of course, but keeping the clutch engaged means you keep control over your traction. With the clutch disengaged, you have no control anymore.
Of course, as a motorcycle rider, I'm much more sensitive to the forces working on my cornering. Hence why driving lessons here in .nl focus so much on correct shifting. A car has much more leeway.
MartUnskilled and Unaware of It.
MartThere is no distraction in driving stick. If your instructor has not managed to train you to do it automatically without thinking, you fail your exam. At least, you do in countries that have more stringent standards than 'being able to complete a circuit around a parking lot' that seems to be the U.S. standard.
MartTwo things:
1. Not shifting in a curve is not so much to do with driver attention. In any country where stick-shift is the norm (i.e. everywhere except the U.S.), shifting is an ingrained habit that is trained for in driving lessons. It has more to do with not disengaging the clutch while in a curve, as you will lose traction that way, which can be dangerous. In fact, motorcycle riders are taught not to shift at all in curves, and part of their driving lessons is to correctly gauge curves so they shift before starting the curve. Of course, mistakes happen, but that is irrelevant to the main thrust of the argument.
2. Riding with your hand on the stick will ruin your gears, as it puts pressure on the gearshift mechanism.
(Sidenote to CmdrTaco et al: fix the damned lists already, willya?)
MartRe your Silverlight-versus-Flash comment: it is a known part of the Microsoft culture to 'eat your own dogfood'. The fact that they apparently have not even made an effort to roll out Silverlight on their own site is remarkable in the light of this.
So stop whining.
MartI keep hearing this.
Not to say that twitter isn't an egomaniacal bastard, but I sure would like to see some proof for once.
MartThere may be no need to RTFA, but UYFB (a.k.a. Use Your Fucking Brain) would have been nice.
Consider: on days the windfarm doesn't produce enough, the town will have to use alternative sources, most of which will be traditional coal/gas/nuclear. On days the windfarm overproduces, they sell electricity back to the grid, meaning someone else somewhere else does not have to use traditional energy sources.
Since the windfarm is projected to provide more power than projected demand, it will have a net positive effect.
MartThere's a perfectly acceptable definition of spamming: If I didn't explictly ask for mail that was sent in bulk, then it is spam.
Note that this definition does not cover unsollictied mail specifically meant for me, like private replies to this post.
MartIn the 80s, we had plenty of incompatible corporate networks, where you would get charged an arm and a leg for what was effectively access to a few mailing lists.
In the meantime, the U.S. government was hard at work creating a set of networking standards that would allow anyone to connect to any network. After the work of a few visionaries, including a then Senator, this network was opened to the public, making it possible for you to post your inane drivel on a free discussion site.
Yeah, government-provided services are generally sub-par.
Idiot.
MartYes, I am complaining about that. I am however not surprised at the provincial reactions here on Slashdot. If even the fine fleur of your journalism uses 'world-wide market' when talking about the U.S. market only, don't be surprised if the rest of the world reacts with scorn.
And if you can't distinguish bashing American Journalism from bashing the United States, then the dumbing-down effects of your media on your population are, IMO, proven.
MartIt is the standard behaviour of plenty file selectors to use type-ahead find. Even Windows does this. So why would you not even try what is logical in the Gtk file selector? Only because it looks different? Don't be silly.
And yes, you spread misinformation. And if it is that easy to remedy, then you should not whine if people suspect you are spreading FUD. Next time, try thinking before posting. It might spare you some grief.
Mart