EULA clearly says it's the OEM's responsibility
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Yes, that's true. However, I believe that the people that are going to MS for refunds are doing so because they can't get anywhere with the OEMs..
Maybe, just maybe, MS will listen to these people, take their names and the vendors that sold the computers, then communicate with the vendors about refunding them, who will in turn refund the consumers. It's unlikely, but that's probably the only way that people will get their money back..
I certainly hope that MS will help organize a way for consumers to return Windows and get a refund (e.g. set up a channel for MS to communicate with OEMs to handle this), but I definitely have doubts.
Heh.. On one hand, it's good that today is President's Day.. Try to get a few Presidents in your pocket (a.k.a. Dollars, if you're confused)
Unfortunately, many news organizations are in hibernation mode today. It's supposed to be a holiday (although I have school, pleh..), so we won't see much coverage until tomorrow.. Oh well.
It makes me irate that Microsoft has said that they would not help people get their money back. I'm pretty glad that I'm not going to one of their offices to try and get money back (heh.. I don't qualify -- always built my own systems..) I'd probably get really @#$%ing angry and start yelling and screaming or something.
Anyway, I guess I'll just have to keep my eyes open for a stray news report here or there..
Okay, I'm getting tired of all the Anonymous Cowards flaming Rob for posting a second article on this subject. Perhaps it's only one of you, I don't know..
Anyway, the Wired reporter was a bit screwed up too, saying of the source, "GossiTheDog's UltraHLE code is a conversion of the original C++ code. It is not complete and fails to compile, he explained on his Web site."
This, as we've all learned from the previous posting about the so-called "source", is untrue. It's actually de-compiled code that likely looks ugly, and isn't much easier to look at than grabbing a hex editor to read the binaries of UltraHLE.
Now, back to the ACs.. I'm really fucking tired of all the flames you guys put up, and I also hate the stupid "First!" comments everywhere, especially when they end up 10 comments down the page!
Well, as others have already noted, the price is not what I consider 'low-end'.. at least, not from a Joe Consumer point of view.
It's good that there is a cost savings for those who might not have previously been able to afford the systems, but it's definitely not at the level I'd like to see..
I've always wanted to get a PPC system, but the costs have always been too high.. One of these days..;-)
Anyway, I think it would be absolutely great if IBM (or some other entity) could start selling decently-priced motherboards and systems based on PPC.. Apple has pretty well cornered that architecture (at least at the consumer level), and I'd like to see some new stuff come out of it. This would be especially good for people who want PPC, but don't want to upgrade their entire systems when they upgrade the processor.. This is something that works well for the PC industry (swap in a new mobo every so often at a few hundred bucks, rather than an entire new system at over a thousand..)
A couple other people have reported this problem (we couldn't reproduce it on the linux systems we had here, though the guy trying to get it to run on FreeBSD ran into it). I've placed the libstdc++ library that bfris is compiled against on my system in the download directory; it's only like 75k compressed. Let me know if that fixes your problem. Separately, we'll be releasing glibc binaries of BFRIS in the next couple of days, which should solve things one way or another.
Cripes.. If it's really that bad, go get a video switch. I _highly_ doubt the console is actually locking up -- just the VooDoo2 doesn't go back to pass-through mode..
Also, there are some nifty/dev/3dfx drivers that allow user-level access to the card (as opposed to root-only access..)
If you get a broadcast channel on there, maybe. (example: WGN from Chicago is carried on a lot of cable systems, and they're WB.. Dunno if any other large stations carry UPN, tho..)
Okay, Katz doesn't know a whole lot about computers.. So what? He's written tons of stuff about computers and the people that use them -- and managed to stay moderately accurate.
Every experience that he has here will let him understand more, and help him as a technology writer. I hope he'll manage to get a Linux box working, because then he'll finally be able to do something with his computer...
Maybe he'll find Perl to be fascinating, or find the multi-user paradigm to be nothing less than extremely useful. Maybe Gnome will tell him there's a better way. There are any number of things in Linux that he could one day wonder about and say, "How did I ever live without that?"
There was a day sometime in the past when each of us didn't know anything about computers. I hope everyone can try to remember back to that time, and decide to help Jon a little more. Please, guys, don't bicker. A lot of Slashdotters like reading his articles, even if some don't. If you don't want to read his stuff, don't make (too many) comments about it.
I wish you guys would quit saying "another CNN article", since most stuff on CNN is reprinted from somewhere else... This one actually came from LinuxWorld...
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Yes, that's true. However, I believe that the people that are going to MS for refunds are doing so because they can't get anywhere with the OEMs..
Maybe, just maybe, MS will listen to these people, take their names and the vendors that sold the computers, then communicate with the vendors about refunding them, who will in turn refund the consumers. It's unlikely, but that's probably the only way that people will get their money back..
I certainly hope that MS will help organize a way for consumers to return Windows and get a refund (e.g. set up a channel for MS to communicate with OEMs to handle this), but I definitely have doubts.
Anyway.. We'll see what happens.
Heh.. I hope you're right!
Heh.. On one hand, it's good that today is President's Day.. Try to get a few Presidents in your pocket (a.k.a. Dollars, if you're confused)
Unfortunately, many news organizations are in hibernation mode today. It's supposed to be a holiday (although I have school, pleh..), so we won't see much coverage until tomorrow.. Oh well.
It makes me irate that Microsoft has said that they would not help people get their money back. I'm pretty glad that I'm not going to one of their offices to try and get money back (heh.. I don't qualify -- always built my own systems..) I'd probably get really @#$%ing angry and start yelling and screaming or something.
Anyway, I guess I'll just have to keep my eyes open for a stray news report here or there..
OOOoo... that's REEEAL original.. never heard that one before..
Okay, I'm getting tired of all the Anonymous Cowards flaming Rob for posting a second article on this subject. Perhaps it's only one of you, I don't know..
Anyway, the Wired reporter was a bit screwed up too, saying of the source, "GossiTheDog's UltraHLE code is a conversion of the original C++ code. It is not complete and fails to compile, he explained on his Web site."
This, as we've all learned from the previous posting about the so-called "source", is untrue. It's actually de-compiled code that likely looks ugly, and isn't much easier to look at than grabbing a hex editor to read the binaries of UltraHLE.
Now, back to the ACs.. I'm really fucking tired of all the flames you guys put up, and I also hate the stupid "First!" comments everywhere, especially when they end up 10 comments down the page!
Get a life, or go somewhere else.
Well, as others have already noted, the price is not what I consider 'low-end'.. at least, not from a Joe Consumer point of view.
;-)
It's good that there is a cost savings for those who might not have previously been able to afford the systems, but it's definitely not at the level I'd like to see..
I've always wanted to get a PPC system, but the costs have always been too high.. One of these days..
Anyway, I think it would be absolutely great if IBM (or some other entity) could start selling decently-priced motherboards and systems based on PPC.. Apple has pretty well cornered that architecture (at least at the consumer level), and I'd like to see some new stuff come out of it. This would be especially good for people who want PPC, but don't want to upgrade their entire systems when they upgrade the processor.. This is something that works well for the PC industry (swap in a new mobo every so often at a few hundred bucks, rather than an entire new system at over a thousand..)
Well, I got a response..
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[snip headers]
From: Joe Waters
Hi Mike,
A couple other people have reported this problem (we couldn't reproduce it on the linux systems we had here, though the guy trying to get it to run on FreeBSD ran into it). I've placed the libstdc++ library that bfris is compiled against on my system in the download directory; it's only like 75k compressed. Let me know if that fixes your problem. Separately, we'll be releasing glibc binaries of BFRIS in the next couple of days, which should solve things one way or another.
Joe
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Cripes.. If it's really that bad, go get a video switch. I _highly_ doubt the console is actually locking up -- just the VooDoo2 doesn't go back to pass-through mode..
/dev/3dfx drivers that allow user-level access to the card (as opposed to root-only access..)
Also, there are some nifty
Hrm.. Well, I sent a message to tech support, but maybe someone can help me here.. It _appears_ that BFRIS is libc5.. I could definitely be wrong..
It requests libstdc++.so.27, which is in libc5 on my system.. I also get an error saying the symbol "__eh_pc" can't be resolved.
I've got a RedHat 5.1 system with glibc2, and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on how I could get it running.
TIA
DUUDE.. this was on a week ago or so.. I remember!
ahh.. well.. I had seen a blurb on TV last night about it, so this is just the second round of coverage...
Looks pretty interesting.. Don't know how rugged (or how expensive, eesh) this would be, but if I had the money..
I think I'll just stick with my $20 Cateye Micro for now...
If you get a broadcast channel on there, maybe. (example: WGN from Chicago is carried on a lot of cable systems, and they're WB.. Dunno if any other large stations carry UPN, tho..)
Heh.
;-)
/dev/hdb1 as root, and that RAM size is hardwired to 64Mb..."
;-)
"If your idea of "support" is posting questions (and answers!) to the linux kernel mailing list..."
Okay, sure.. I could do that
"Note that this kernel is hardwired to look for
Hah! Reminds me of stories I've heard from the pre-1.0 days of Linux (no, I didn't run it back then..) Back before LILO...
Ahh.. Well, I imagine I might want to learn kernel hacking, if I had the money for a Visual Workstation, the time, and a tad bit more experience
Naw, on second thought -- the only restriction is the money.. I'm ready for an adventure...
Okay, Katz doesn't know a whole lot about computers.. So what? He's written tons of stuff about computers and the people that use them -- and managed to stay moderately accurate.
Every experience that he has here will let him understand more, and help him as a technology writer. I hope he'll manage to get a Linux box working, because then he'll finally be able to do something with his computer...
Maybe he'll find Perl to be fascinating, or find the multi-user paradigm to be nothing less than extremely useful. Maybe Gnome will tell him there's a better way. There are any number of things in Linux that he could one day wonder about and say, "How did I ever live without that?"
There was a day sometime in the past when each of us didn't know anything about computers. I hope everyone can try to remember back to that time, and decide to help Jon a little more. Please, guys, don't bicker. A lot of Slashdotters like reading his articles, even if some don't. If you don't want to read his stuff, don't make (too many) comments about it.
Anyway...
So if you turn off this feature, then decide (for some strange reason) that you want to use it again, you have to reboot? What's up with that?
I wish you guys would quit saying "another CNN article", since most stuff on CNN is reprinted from somewhere else... This one actually came from LinuxWorld...
Oh well...
What? BSDi? Whatever...
I think free software will be the name of the game for a lot of people from now on...
...that fails?
Seems to me that it would be easier to OS/2-ize Linux, rather than go the other way around.. Probably could avoid some licensing troubles, too..