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SQLite Adopts 'Monastic' Code of Conduct (sqlite.org)

An anonymous reader writes: Undoubtedly in response to this politically motivated sort of claptrap, SQLite has released their own Code of Conduct. From the preamble:

Having been encouraged by clients to adopt a written code of conduct, the SQLite developers elected to govern their interactions with each other, with their clients, and with the larger SQLite user community in accordance with the "instruments of good works" from chapter 4 of The Rule of St. Benedict. This code of conduct has proven its mettle in thousands of diverse communities for over 1,500 years, and has served as a baseline for many civil law codes since the time of Charlemagne.

Not everyone has found SQLite's attempt informative or funny (though many did). A developer wrote, for instance, "So is the SQLite CoC thing a joke or not? If it's not a joke, f*ck this. If it is a joke, that's even worse. Your CoC should be taken seriously." A security researcher, chimed in, "This sort of stunt will make actual code of conduct discussions harder. It's not funny, helpful, or wise."


653 comments

  1. Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you do not know how to act like a responsible adult, perhaps you should try harder. It is your choice, but do not expect others to play along with your childish and rogue behavior. Correct the behavior or get locked out. But no one needs a silly code of conduct - this is like mission statements of the 80s and 90s. Largely forgotten and rarely achieved.

    1. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mission statements of the 80s and 90s.

      ... and aughts, and teens.

    2. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      that's the point of the sarcastic SQLite CoC.

      CoC's could also prevent projects from working together, like Software Licenses also do.

      Project ABC adopts the Monastic/10 commandments style CoC.
      Project XYZ adopts a SJW/LGB/LGBT/LGBTQ/LGBTTQQIAAP friendly CoC.

      Now these two projects cannot work together.

      Now like with sports, software developers arbitrarily become split along party lines.

      WTF does a CoC have to do with software?

    3. Re:Why even adopt it by Penguinisto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you do not know how to act like a responsible adult, perhaps you should try harder. It is your choice, but do not expect others to play along with your childish and rogue behavior. Correct the behavior or get locked out. But no one needs a silly code of conduct - this is like mission statements of the 80s and 90s. Largely forgotten and rarely achieved.

      Dang- should've posted that with an account. Let me repost it so everyone else can see it, because it's pretty damned solid...

      --
      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    4. Re:Why even adopt it by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      The link to the CoC is in the summary, but here it is again: SQLite Code of Conduct.

      It is OBVIOUSLY a joke. I don't find it particularly funny, but I don't see any harm either. It is clearly ridiculing some of the over-the-top CoCs, and in many cases that ridicule is well deserved.

      The people taking this seriously need to eat more fish or, if they are vegan, some omega-3 supplements, to help their brains work better.

    5. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Quite simple: There's a lot of folks out there, unfortunately, who like to be cunts and then use the "But what's the rule against being a cunt?" canard when called out on it. These are the people who don't know how to fucking behave around their peers, much less their co-workers and colleagues and frankly, are the ones who ruin everything for everyone else. Treat people the way you want to be treated and life would be a much better place. Sounds great. Reading through the comments here is proof-positive that some folks can't fucking get it through their heads that they're cunts. So, here we are.

    6. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And therefore the cunts just need to adopt a belief in the Lord God?
      I still don't see how this CoC is acceptable humor.

    7. Re: Why even adopt it by schure · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think this is a very fine joke and people should be proud of whoever created it.

    8. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      some folks can't fucking get it through their heads that they're cunts.

      To be honest, you sound like a cunt.

      Mods, this is not off topic. It is a perfect example of the problem with CoCs, how one person's perfectly reasonable attitude is another person's cunt.

    9. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chapter 33 forbids the private possession of anything without the leave of the abbot, who is, however, bound to supply all necessities.

      Okay, stop your childish behaviors and give up all your private possessions... Then you can join the collective, the entirely anonymous collective :)

      Sincerely,
      Anonymous Cowards United

    10. Re: Why even adopt it by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So is the SQLite CoC thing a joke or not?

      This is actually Poe's Law in real life: "Without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism". The crap around CoC's has become so crazy that it's indistinguishable from parody.

    11. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why is it a joke? Why do other open source communities condone murder by not explicitly disallowing it in their CoCs?

    12. Re:Why even adopt it by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually you do need it. When a large, or even noticeable, percentage of your community expects you to do X (and by "X" I don't just mean a CoC, I mean be seen going to church/temple/the mosque at least once a week, greet people with "Heil Hitler", sing "Druze Tito" at the top of your voice, or whatever), you do it or face the consequences. Having a CoC is protective coloration, you do it to avoid trouble whether you believe in it or not.

    13. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny that your comment is marked troll when it's so true. There are plenty of AC comments that get deleted or moderated to -1 and then someone else who is logged in says the same thing and gets modded up. Definitely a bias here. And there are people who are logged in that say inane crap and that is allowed to stay...

    14. Re:Why even adopt it by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      It is OBVIOUSLY a joke.

      I thought so too on a first quick reading, and especially, on reading the horrible article summary. The author's sincerity is clear here. It isn't a joke, it is just a mistake.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    15. Re:Why even adopt it by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      this is not off topic. It is a perfect example of the problem with CoCs, how one person's perfectly reasonable attitude is another person's cunt.

      It was not a "perfectly reasonable attitude", it was a clear cut ad hominem.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    16. Re:Why even adopt it by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      If you do not know how to act like a responsible adult, perhaps you should try harder.

      Sounds like a perfect Code of Conflict to me.

    17. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perfectly reasonable one though from most peoples viewpoints

    18. Re:Why even adopt it by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      The author's sincerity is clear here. It isn't a joke, it is just a mistake.

      I don't think he is sincere. This is just a continuation of the joke/troll.

      Disclaimer: I am a humor-impaired Aspie, so I could be wrong.

    19. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point being that extremism isn't worth getting extreme about.

    20. Re: Why even adopt it by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Extremism is very much worth mocking, though. Because the ensuing meltdown is rewarding, has high entertainment value, and might destroy a few fucking ideologue nuts.

    21. Re:Why even adopt it by Tough+Love · · Score: 2

      I don't think he is sincere.

      As sincere as any christian. You read his twitter byline, right?

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    22. Re:Why even adopt it by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Speak for yourself.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    23. Re:Why even adopt it by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      I was passing through immigration on a visit to Mexico. Couple of people start crossing lines, some try to get in front of me and my wife. I said no, line starts back there, you want to skip things then fine, skip yourself behind us. Guy looks at me and says "oh, what are you going to do? This isn't elementary school, nobody's going to make me." Said I, "You're right - but you're still an asshole for doing it." He told me, "I've been an asshole all my life, why stop now?" I said fine, walked in front of him, and nothing happened. If I had any presence of mind, I would have told the immigration officer that those people right behind me were acting strangely and were obsessed with getting into a particular spot in the line. I wasn't going to deck the guy for it - didn't need the headaches - but that would have been fun to watch.

    24. Re:Why even adopt it by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That's how religion started. "Be excellent to each other" someone once said. Then everyone listening said "Boo! We want more than that, give us lots of scriptures so we can argue about them endlessly over the centuries!"

    25. Re: Why even adopt it by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I think my CoC is going to say "no humor impaired people."

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    26. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's a nice rule. Let me point out this excerpt from chapter 40--on the measure of drink.

      Caput 40: De mensura potus. ... credimus eminam vini per singulos sufficere per diem.

      "we believe that a hemina (about 9 ounces) of wine a day is enough for each [monk]"

    27. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why is it a joke? Why do other open source communities condone murder by not explicitly disallowing it in their CoCs?

      Someone wants to work on ReiserFS?

    28. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Software development groups previously tried a standard called Versioning All Groups in the beginning which led to code smell. Then as new software groups became more accepting and liberal they opted for a Code Of Conduct. Now whichever you prefer VAG or COC, shouldn't fucking matter because IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WRITING CODE, YOU CUNTS.

    29. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It started in when Jesus Christ was nailed to the cross and died for our sins.

    30. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, there is no other source of Truth, says St. Augustine.

      Seriously, though, if you mentally filter out the Ch. word you hate so much, do you object to the Code? How is it worse than the SJW codes that are extremely negative in a sense of prohibiting a lot and divisive in a sense of being ill defined and open to arbitrary interpretations?

      Do not swear, for fear of perjuring yourself.
      Utter only truth from heart and mouth.
      Do not return evil for evil.
      Do no wrong to anyone, and bear patiently wrongs done to yourself.

    31. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it's not as much of a joke as you may think. The leader of the project is somewhat religious and probably likely believes in all the rules. That's not to say that you have to believe in all of them, just that he literally does.

      The author of SQLite understands that not all rules apply to everyone and he does not expect everyone to follow all of them. You just have to understand that they are idiomatic rather than literal, like the way the phrase "Ladies and Gentlemen" figuratively means "everybody" even though it literally excludes children and commoners.

      dom

    32. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because you see something tangentially related to organized religion and instantly reject it.

      Open your mind a bit, lest you become which you abhor.

    33. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s why I always devote a few points to modding up ACs. Some people just hate ACs and act as if reading anything posted as AC is a waste of attention. Certain individuals even have this sentiment reflected in their slashdot signatures.

    34. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur, slave.

    35. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are surrounded by Trotsky-slut SJWs, then fuck-them-over every which way you can. Drive the DemoRat-bitches into the mud and watch them gag on emotocentric spew.

    36. Re:Why even adopt it by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

      That's what the people who push them keep insisting, but the reality is that projects tend to deal with the kinds of things that CoCs are supposed to be for just fine without one. However more worryingly CoCs have been used in the past to settle grudges over things well outside of the project, usually disagreements on politically contentious issues.

      --
      "Why should I want to make anything up? Life's bad enough as it is without wanting to invent any more of it."
    37. Re: Why even adopt it by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Wait you're telling me this hasn't just been one big joke?!? Oh lord.

    38. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of humour consists of things that are unacceptable to large numbers of people. The CoC got a chuckle from me, and no, I am not a christian.

    39. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are 100% correct. SJW's don't create anything. They only destroy things that are already successful.

    40. Re:Why even adopt it by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      The people taking this seriously need to eat more fish or, if they are vegan, some omega-3 supplements, to help their brains work better.

      I read the whole thing as specifically performed to purposely piss people off. A warning shot of where you go when you start codification of behavior beyond simple laws.

      Good on them. Codes of Conduct are the beginning form of the code of Benedict. The SJW's know it, and that is half of their anger. The other half is their lack of humor because their only tool is anger.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    41. Re:Why even adopt it by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Quite simple: There's a lot of folks out there, unfortunately, who like to be cunts and then use the "But what's the rule against being a cunt?" canard when called out on it. These are the people who don't know how to fucking behave around their peers, much less their co-workers and colleagues and frankly, are the ones who ruin everything for everyone else. Treat people the way you want to be treated and life would be a much better place. Sounds great. Reading through the comments here is proof-positive that some folks can't fucking get it through their heads that they're cunts. So, here we are.

      So are you whining about Linus Torvalds, or the people who want men fired for winking at a woman? Could be both.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    42. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      The very definition of wisdom is learning from the mistakes of others. Accepting a well proven code of conduct that many others have tried and succeeded with, is wisdom to the extreme.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    43. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Why is it that only people who don't know how to act like responsible adults resist the concept of rules that teach people how to act like responsible adults?

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    44. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I see it as neither a joke nor a mistake. Why invent a new algorithm when the old one has been working well?

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    45. Re:Why even adopt it by shaitand · · Score: 2

      "WTF does a CoC have to do with software?"

      Agreed and anyone who is trying to emphasis a CoC beyond "the mods can boot obvious trolls and spammers" in software development projects is by definition a political extremist.

    46. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I actually find the laws in the Rule to be quite simple indeed. So simple that the Order of St. Benedict has a history of taking in dullards and idiots (in the classic sense of the term, people will IQs between 40-100) and turning them into decent human beings.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    47. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But people who don't know you're kidding (the point of Poe's law) just see more extremists. Sarcasm tag is important to help people understand your intent. You're not destroying anyone by being an idiot.

    48. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I know some non-monks that would do well to reduce their drinking to that level.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    49. Re:Why even adopt it by werepants · · Score: 1

      "WTF does a CoC have to do with software?"

      Agreed and anyone who is trying to emphasis a CoC beyond "the mods can boot obvious trolls and spammers" in software development projects is by definition a political extremist.

      FYI - "by definition" doesn't mean "absolutely". It would mean, in your case, that the dictionary definition of "political extremist" is "one who advocates for a nontrivial code of conduct". If that's really how you define political extremism - you need to expand your worldview a bit more.

      Or, more likely, you need to learn to use the phrase "by definition" when it actually applies.

    50. Re:Why even adopt it by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I actually find the laws in the Rule to be quite simple indeed. So simple that the Order of St. Benedict has a history of taking in dullards and idiots (in the classic sense of the term, people will IQs between 40-100) and turning them into decent human beings.

      The question of decency....

      The peoblem of course, is who defines it, and how it is enforced.

      You have a world renowned authority on whatever your institution's core competency. But he is rude and condescending. Grumpy and argumentative. But his mere name is worth many millions of dollars yearly to the institution.

      So you have a group that demands a code of conduct. The genius level tells you that he has no intention of modifying his behavior - that anything that violates laws is actionable, but he has no plans to become a model employee.

      So what do you do? Fire him the first time someone gets booboo feelings when he disagrees with them?

      This means a loss of millions of dollars, and he'll be picked up by a competitor.

      Genius does not think in the same manner as the person who is just putting in time. If we decide that we must control every aspect of behavior of employees, we'll be changing to a reality TV level of competence in the workplace.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    51. Re:Why even adopt it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "If that's really how you define political extremism - you need to expand your worldview a bit more."

      I think that is at least one reasonable definition of political extremism. Who are you to presume to correct me?

    52. Re:Why even adopt it by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      This can fall under a general, "Mods can ban anyone that is disruptive to the project." rule. If they are a cunt in their personal life, but act civilly and professionally on the project, why bother? Sure, someone that is a cunt probably can't help themselves to bring it into all aspects of their life. Wait until they do, then drop the ban hammer on them.

      Why have a zillion other rules that have nothing to do with software development? My guess is the people that are coming up with those rules do not give a shit about development or the project.

      --
      I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
    53. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      It's usually rather objective and downright darwinian if you give it long enough.

      Organizations that build codes of conduct that work, can last for centuries. The ones that find a way to edit such codes while still keeping the core competency, do best at adaptation.

      The longer you go on, the more refined the code gets. But adopt a malformed rule into your code, and your organization will go extinct.

      If you need a code of conduct, you're already BELOW a Reality TV level of competence, the question is how to stay alive through such times. And the answer isn't wild experimentation with genius, which is akin to madness, it's making sure people do what works and eliminating behavior that doesn't work.

      Want genius? Then be prepared to go bankrupt every other year. Just like the other 4/5ths of startups.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    54. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not about acting like an adult. It's another open source project falling victim to identity politics bullshit. The world is NOT fair. Heated discussions may evolve where people actually lose their temper and say regrettable things. All, this CoC does is ensure some snowflake can take personal offenses which are completely subjective and get people removed from the project. This is how projects die.

    55. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who are you to presume to correct me?

      How dare you state that you disagree with my opinion! What are you trying to do, have a debate? Don't you know this is the Internet, this is no place for that nonsense!

    56. Re:Why even adopt it by shaitand · · Score: 2

      He was not debating me. He attempted to look superior by using a strawman (that words have a singular all encompassing definition) to make me look inferior. At the same time he attempted to cloak the attempt as a good faith effort to spread knowledge. It's pathetic, it is nothing but arrogance to presume you know better than the speaker himself what he means.

      Even if he'd been technically correct it would have been nothing but pointless pedantry. The common mistakes in grammar and usage are nothing but a delay in reference books to catch up with common usage. It is the reference books which ultimately change in response to usage not the other way around. See "doh", "aint", and "yall" for modern examples.

    57. Re:Why even adopt it by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      I think that is at least one reasonable definition of political extremism

      No, it isn't. And sticking to an argument that stupid after being called out on it is comically stupid.
      What it is, is an attempt to reframe actual political extremism to be anything that bothers you.
      Redefining words and terms seems to be all the rage from today's snowflakes on the left and right. My presumption, is you're one of those right-wing snowflakes.

    58. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's usually rather objective and downright darwinian if you give it long enough.

      I'm not so sure. You have to remember what the CoC was supposed to be for: creating a decent environment (whatever "decent" means), not to prolong or help with the organization's longevity.

      So an organization may last a long time even with a terrible CoC and terrible (not "decent") environment, or it could fizzle quickly despite having a "decent" environment thanks to a refined CoC

      Examples of the former comes in the form of companies often seen as "evil" or "soulless" but are still around for various reasons (e.g they have deep pockets). The latter is exemplified by any failed attempt by social justice advocates injecting too much of their politics into whatever project they're working on, resulting in poorer performance/sales in the product. The kids have a meme phrase for that being "get woke go broke"

      This is especially true for religious organizations. Those who have drank the Kool Aid would perpetuate the organization for a long time even if their CoCs create terrible environments for their members. Those members might even rationalize the shitty environment as some kind of test of their faith or some shit.

    59. Re:Why even adopt it by werepants · · Score: 1

      I think that is at least one reasonable definition of political extremism. Who are you to presume to correct me?

      My qualifications are minimal: I know how to use a dictionary. The existence of a code of conduct is completely tangential to, or even directly at odds with, political extremism. For instance, my proposed code of conduct: Don't compose erotic poetry in the code comments.

      You're just being dramatic (and misusing language) to paint the people you disagree with as extremists and make yourself seem moderate.

      Find me a dictionary definition of extremism that has anything whatsoever to do with "codes of conduct" and I'll concede the point. Better yet, stop panicking and relax.

    60. Re:Why even adopt it by werepants · · Score: 1

      He was not debating me. He attempted to look superior by using a strawman (that words have a singular all encompassing definition) to make me look inferior.

      That wasn't a strawman, FYI. A strawman would be if I mischaracterized your argument, and then attacked that mischaracterization. If I said "Shaitand thinks trolls and spammers should be allowed in any project, he's a clueless anarchist!" that would be a strawman. But, I just attacked your argument directly: you contended that CoC proponents are political extremists according to the definition of "political extremism". Obviously wrong, according to any dictionary, or reasonably proficient English speaker.

    61. Re:Why even adopt it by Megol · · Score: 1

      A thinking person?

    62. Re:Why even adopt it by Megol · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you didn't because _you_ aren't an asshole?

    63. Re:Why even adopt it by shaitand · · Score: 2

      No, it is pointing out that individuals who push political agendas into areas which are objective and by nature unrelated to politics are acting in an extreme manner. The current CoC debates are one set of extremists attempting for codify their political views into rules of behavior on technical projects. Holding views that are extreme might make you an extremist but depriving people of free will and attempting to subjugate them to your views over their own is an extreme act, particularly when those views have no relevance to the goals, objective, and nature of the group you are imposing them on.

      This doesn't only apply to politics, for instance a business owner that wants to impose their religious views on their employees by selecting a healthcare plan which doesn't cover birth control is an example of a religious extremist.

      That aside you may have trouble convincing anyone you aren't an extremist when you go around using terms like "left-wing" and "right-wing." If you are not a political moderate then you are a political extremist.

      I probably do come off as more "right-wing" these days. That isn't because I lean right, especially socially. It is more that the large social issues the left has advocated for had reached the point where it was all but extinct like the measles with discussions about minor things like the slight legal differences between living together as domestic partners with contracts and wills vs legal marriage and a possible pay gap we debated was even statistically significant (which doesn't even automatically mean significant or not going away on its own). After all, gender is randomly distributed and a 5-10% shift in the overall economy is going to have a much more dramatic impact than the gap being debated regardless of genitals. The boys will be boys concept had been reduced to an actual legitimate empathy for males being male and human.

      Then suddenly about three years ago everybody lost their minds and everyone started seeing rapists, nazi's, and privilege everywhere. A drunken idiot in a bar getting a little handsy suddenly became sexual assault and a sex crime instead of socially unacceptable and inappropriate behavior. Boys will be boys suddenly became code for men abusing and raping women and people pretended that was something present in our society. There were always people like that but most people saw them as extremists until recently. If there is an increase in that extremism on the right it seems to be reactive to me and it really doesn't look much different than it did before whereas lefthanded extremism seems to be growing to the point it may well be the majority now. The danger with left extremism is that most people agree with the underlying concepts and don't want to associated those who actually are extreme in ways counter to those principles. Those extreme groups do exist, and should exist, in our society because we have a healthy democracy and even extreme camps sometimes have something to contribute.

      Lately the extreme left seems to having escaped being a small pocket and is growing mainstream. That is dangerous. Very dangerous. The extreme right does not seem to have escaped, they are just being over-reported on left leaning media (though the longer this imbalace exists the more I'd expect that segment to begin to grow). Perhaps being a moderate makes me extreme right wing to you. Personally, my only hope is that the majority group (women) split back into normal and reasonable factions that actually have something to do with them as individuals.

    64. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idiots are the ones who can't tell the difference, you idiot.

    65. Re:Why even adopt it by shaitand · · Score: 1


      The actual dictionary seems to disagree with you. Also, your argument that I was not worldly if the definition of political extremist did not encompass every possible definition of the words was a strawman. It is a similar sounding argument that is false. Your contention that you attacked my argument directly is also a strawman, my argument would have remained sound if I had meant "absolutely", you were attempting to kill the messenger.

      See 2.
      https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/political

      https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/extremist

    66. Re:Why even adopt it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Now let me correct it again to match my argument and see if your strawman argument still works if it actually matches my own.

      "The existence of a code of conduct is completely tangential to, or even directly at odds with, political extremism."
      "The [advocacy] of a code of conduct [which contains politically driven elements, into an objective and non-political project] is completely tangential to, or even directly at odds with, political extremism."

      My argument is obviously correct, anyone who attempts to inject politics into such a thing is acting in an extreme manner, acting in an extreme manner due to politics. I challenge to find a notable dictionary which disagrees. Of course my argument doesn't actually hinge on the dictionary definition being correct or not. This entire subject is as best a tangent or a red herring.

    67. Re:Why even adopt it by shaitand · · Score: 1



      Injecting an identity politics issue into something which has no relation to identity or politics.

      You are welcome to pick any of these definitions of extreme from Merriam Webster.
      going to great or exaggerated lengths
      exceeding the ordinary, usual, or expected
      a very pronounced or excessive degree

      Here we have a definition of political from the same source.
      : of, relating to, involving, or involved in politics and especially party politics

      Extremist
      the quality or state of being extreme

    68. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I'm just pointing out that if the CoCs truly create a shitty environment, eventually they'll fail. The ones that don't, will succeed.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    69. Re:Why even adopt it by werepants · · Score: 1

      anyone who attempts to inject politics into such a thing is acting in an extreme manner

      That's an entirely different argument from this:

      anyone who is trying to emphasis a CoC beyond "the mods can boot obvious trolls and spammers" in software development projects is by definition a political extremist.

      Let's ignore the fact that you are changing your arguments on a whim. What is extreme about a code of conduct? Can't there be non-extreme politics? And where do you draw the line between politics and simple desirable conduct? "Don't be an asshole" doesn't seem particularly political, and at one time "don't use racist/sexist insults towards devs or users" wouldn't have been considered very political either, but the MRA drama queens that populate slashdot lately seem to think they are being oppressed by political extremists if they are required to adhere to even simple standards of professional dialogue.

    70. Re:Why even adopt it by werepants · · Score: 1

      The actual dictionary seems to disagree with you.

      "Codes of conduct are politically extreme" does not follow from "extremism = being extreme". Try again.

    71. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'm saying I'm not so sure if that would be the case.

      Shitty CoCs and the shitty environment they create can exist for a long time if the organization/community continues to deliver. Example: people support continuing with Linus old ways, which (supposedly) creates a shitty environment. Example 2: religion will hang onto their dogma (CoCs) for thousands of years out of principle, even if those dogmas lead to a shitty environment (at least, a shitty environment for women and gays)

    72. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You where trying to use rhetoric literally to make your stupid position look more reasonable.

      In this case, you where cloaking yourself in being reasonable by saying "by definition", because who would argue with a definition? That would be dumb.

      Software written by more than one person requires people to cooperate. Cooperation of humans is politics.

      Saying "don't be rude to fellow contributors" is demanding people be reasonable human beings if they want to contribute, and your "ban obvious trolls and spammers" standard is so ridiculously beyond that.

      If you don't have rules requiring civility, then people who don't provide civility get to shove everyone who wants civility out of participation. Sounds great to people who don't want civility, but pretty horrible to the vast majority of adults who can actually discuss things with civility and don't put up with rudeness.

      In your position, as defined, anyone who demands actual civility in actual software development projects is a political extremist. Which, as I said above, is simply a stupid position.

    73. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Women and gays create a shitty environment all on their own. Feminism and gay rights hasn't been around long enough to prove survival value.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    74. Re:Why even adopt it by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      Feminism and gay rights hasn't been around long enough to prove survival value.

      On general principles, as well as history like the decline and fall of the Roman Empire, they've proven to have anti-survival value. Today we can see that societies that embrace the former don't reproduce, a phenomena that Heinlein noted was self-correcting. History belongs to those who show up.

    75. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Women and gays create a shitty environment all on their own.

      So? That doesn't stop shitty CoCs from making things even shittier. I was talking about the CoCs creating environments, not the people themselves creating shitty environments.

      And if women and gays really do create shitty environments, that kinda contradict what you were saying about shitty environments eventually failing. They... aren't failing. Those women and gays are still there. The shitty environments are still there. No signs of them going away any time soon.

      Feminism and gay rights hasn't been around long enough to prove survival value.

      Wasn't talking about those. I was talking about shitty religious CoCs that make the environment shitty for women and gays. As above, the shitty CoCs are still there. They aren't failing. No sign of end in sight.

    76. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, cuz what the world needs is more charmers like you...

    77. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Those with survival value, will survive. Those that won't, well, extinction is always a possibility. It isn't a matter of choice, it's a matter of destiny.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    78. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      The religions don't fail because they have survival value, regardless of how you personally feel about them.

      If the COCs succeed, it will be because they have survival value. If they fail, it will be because they lacked survival value.

      Your emotions are completely unimportant in this scheme.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    79. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Yep, it is indeed self-correcting. So there really is no need to worry about it.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    80. Re:Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News flash: social darwinism went out with the Nazis.

    81. Re:Why even adopt it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      anyone who attempts to inject politics into such a thing is acting in an extreme manner

      That's an entirely different argument from this:

      anyone who is trying to emphasis a CoC beyond "the mods can boot obvious trolls and spammers" in software development projects is by definition a political extremist.

      It may be literally different but is not in substance different. It barely even looks different when taken out of context like you've done here but the entire CoC issue being discussed and debated is about injecting politically correct behavior and respect for identity politics into arenas which contain neither role models nor politics.

      CoC should just be the forum rules or what have you but within the current context any discussion about a "Code of Conduct" for an open source project is referring a political push to inject political correctness and identity politics into a code which rejects and excludes those who express non-conformant opinions. I'm drawing a distinction between normal rules of behavior such as "the mods can boot obvious trolls and spammers" and identity politics driven codes of behavior. Individuals pursuing the later are exhibiting unexpected and unusual behavior (extreme behavior) driven by their politics (of a political nature). Thus they are political extremist.

      "What is extreme about a code of conduct?"

      I never said a code of conduct was extreme, if used in the normal sense to refer to simple codes that keep illegal content, spammers, and those otherwise not contributing out. But again you could call such rules by many names, in an open source project in the wake of the Torvalds CoC incident this specific turn of phrase is being used to refer to an identity politics based agenda being pushed on such projects. Since that means booting people for not conforming to rules of behavior which are irrelevant to the quality, consistency, or frequency of their contributions a CoC of this sort is extreme for the project as well.

      "Can't there be non-extreme politics?"

      Whether there are politics that are not extreme is off topic, the point is politics are out of ordinary and unexpected and therefore extreme within the context of software development. Code is math, software is math, politics generally do not impact math and good math from those with poor politics performs better than bad math from those with tasteful politics.

      "Let's ignore the fact that you are changing your arguments on a whim."

      Amusing, considering nothing in your post had any significant relation to your original argument. You make a new argument with each post, throw out new straw men. Twisting my words and arguments, being deliberately obtuse to context. This isn't a courtroom, you don't win a prize by convincing the argument you are correct while actually being incorrect. All you win is a slightly dimmer world for everyone who walks away having bought what you are selling and can't understand the difference. We both know you are trolling and props for trolling well but you do understand we have an actual political powder keg here in the states and it is spreading, I'm trying to defuse the extreme positions that are threatening to blow it and you are stirring the pot.

    82. Re: Why even adopt it by Millennium · · Score: 1

      This is why you can't get a date.

    83. Re: Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Nobody needs a date. What people need is a mate.

      Only monogamous marriage counts in the long run, because it is the only way to produce functional adults of the species.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    84. Re:Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Which is funny because social darwinism is why the Nazis lost.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    85. Re:Why even adopt it by werepants · · Score: 1

      We both know you are trolling and props for trolling well but you do understand we have an actual political powder keg here in the states and it is spreading, I'm trying to defuse the extreme positions that are threatening to blow it and you are stirring the pot.

      Actually, I'm not trolling, I'm pointing out that we shouldn't use sloppy, panicked thinking. Rather than making a claim of substance, you made an ad hominem attack against the people you disagree with. Let me remind you - this is a Code of Conduct in a software project that we're talking about here... holy shit, is there anything more boring in the world?

      If you really want to defuse extreme positions, then just calm down. Stop looking for liberal bogeyman behind every corner, and just remind yourself that people are generally trying to make these projects welcoming and promote professional communication. There's nothing wrong with that. Actually, it's a good idea. It's not political extremism, and it's not something to get upset about. It's fine to have an opinion about what should and shouldn't be in a Code of Conduct - but just make your argument on its own terms! You don't have to call the person with a different opinion anything at all (political extremist or otherwise) to make your point - just state your preference and your reasoning.

      If you genuinely care about a more moderate discourse - then be moderate yourself.

    86. Re: Why even adopt it by Millennium · · Score: 1

      You want to talk about natural selection and sexual selection as it happens in nature? Fine. Let's talk about natural selection and sexual selection as it happens in nature.

      People don't "need" dates or mates. This is a privilege, which you get by convincing another individual that being your date (or mate) would be a good idea. The exact mechanisms vary from species to species, and, in sentient species, culture to culture and even person to person. It comes down to the very simple question: is becoming this person's mate a good idea?

      And this is where the incels fall short. Most of them aren't really interested in mates, and only slightly interested in dates. What they want are mother-figures they can fuck: someone who will fulfill their sexual fantasies while, at the same time, teaching them how to live. Sometimes this gets conflated with the Manic Pixie Dream Girl archetype, but that doesn't really work, because the MPDG is not a mother-figure.

      Thing is, most women aren't interested in being sex-mommies. And so, when you start signaling to a woman that this is the kind of relationship you are interested in, it turns her off. And then you start throwing tantrums about it, and that's just a stark reminder of exactly why they don't want this kind of relationship, and it creeps them out.

      This is why you get called creepy. You are not nearly as good at hiding what you want as you think you are, nor are you nearly as good at hiding your reactions to rejection. It's not women's fault that you never grew up.

    87. Re: Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      It's not just the incels that fall short.

      Homosexuals do as well, they mate with people they can't have children with.

      And the fact that women today aren't interested in becoming mothers, is obvious and just as wrong.

      FEELINGS don't matter. Only actions. 100 years from now my great grandchildren will still be around. The ones you aborted, won't,

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    88. Re:Why even adopt it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Here in the US it is one of our principles that a diversity of viewpoints actually makes us stronger. Small pockets of extremism mean our nation with it's principles of freedom of expression and diverse viewpoints is actually functioning as intended. It is alarming to me when those pockets began to gain momentum as the social norm.

      "just remind yourself that people are generally trying to make these projects welcoming"

      I do believe that the people pushing these agendas are trying to make these projects welcoming. They are doing so by via a means of systemically rejecting and casting out others they've defined as unworthy of welcome. This philosophy makes being anti-social a systemic crime but there is nothing to say social norms of behavior are correct and all that should be tolerated. Without anti-social behavior we'd still have a crown to answer to, slaves in the fields, and women without suffrage in this nation. Without anti-social behavior the result is conformity and a lack of individual expression. In the workplace this has developed not because it is a good thing but out of fear, out of fear of public shaming and financial liability for your employer.

      We should be protecting the ability of those we disagree with to contribute and prove their worth, not promoting policies which systematically exclude them. I will always speak loudly in response to something like this while I can and others should as well. The less defensible their views, the more difficult to understand, the more protection they need. Protecting the right to free speech of a Marxist or Neo-Nazi does not make you one and the systemic effect of allowing that comparison to me is more dangerous than allowing the people who actually do hold those views to participate in our world.

      Feel free to disagree. If nothing else I'm sure we can agree there is nothing more to be gained from this discussion.

    89. Re: Why even adopt it by Millennium · · Score: 1

      It's not just the incels that fall short.

      Homosexuals do as well, they mate with people they can't have children with.

      Um, you do know women can smell this on you, right?

      And the fact that women today aren't interested in becoming mothers, is obvious and just as wrong.

      .

      It doesn't matter. True, women who aren't interested in becoming mothers aren't interested in an adult who takes the child's role either. But even women who are interested on becoming mothers are looking for a partner, not yet another child.

      FEELINGS don't matter. Only actions. 100 years from now my great grandchildren will still be around. The ones you aborted, won't,

      Eww, creepy.

    90. Re: Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      "Um, you do know women can smell this on you, right?"

      I have only one woman I'm interested in, and she's in the next room watching "The Young and the Restless". Oh, she wanted to be a mother, because she's a real woman, not a fake transgender wannabe.

      "True, women who aren't interested in becoming mothers aren't interested in an adult who takes the child's role either. But even women who are interested on becoming mothers are looking for a partner, not yet another child."

      Actually, they're looking for a father. Which is what I am. Unlike the homosexual transgenders.

      "Eww, creepy."

      If you find considering your legacy to be creepy, you might be a member of a group that is going extinct.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    91. Re:Why even adopt it by werepants · · Score: 1

      Here in the US it is one of our principles that a diversity of viewpoints actually makes us stronger.

      I agree with you generally. I am a supporter of free speech.

      I do believe that the people pushing these agendas are trying to make these projects welcoming. They are doing so by via a means of systemically rejecting and casting out others they've defined as unworthy of welcome. This philosophy makes being anti-social a systemic crime but there is nothing to say social norms of behavior are correct and all that should be tolerated.

      I don't agree with you here. If you welcome anti-social assholes to be anti-social assholes, you are NOT creating a developer community that will be healthy, productive, and growing. You don't create a welcoming community by encouraging unwelcoming behavior. A lot of developers believe in the concept of meritocracy, right? Well, if you've failed to communicate professionally and respectfully, you've demonstrated a lack of merit, because now people aren't focused on the technical problems, but on the dev who's causing drama. Being anti-social will get you fired from many workplaces because you make the whole environment less productive and enjoyable for everyone - same principle for open source.

      Remember, freedom of speech goes in all directions. Project leaders are exercising their freedom of speech by putting their values in their Code of Conduct. You can exercise your freedom of speech by advocating for a different view. You can also exercise it by finding a different project to work on that accepts your views, or forking the project to create "AssholeSQL" where sociopaths are welcome.

      The less defensible their views, the more difficult to understand, the more protection they need.

      They need protection from punitive actions by the government, certainly. Donate to the ACLU if you feel very strongly about this, they have defended the free-speech rights of some really despicable folks, and I applaud them for it. That said, white supremacists and similar degenerates should NOT be protected from the free speech of others. Free speech does NOT mean freedom from criticism, or disagreement, or social consequences. If you freely present a reprehensible idea, someone (or more likely, many someones) will freely respond by telling you what they think of that idea.

    92. Re: Why even adopt it by Millennium · · Score: 1

      I have only one woman I'm interested in, and she's in the next room watching "The Young and the Restless".

      You might want to get out of her house before she realizes you're there.

      If you find considering your legacy to be creepy, you might be a member of a group that is going extinct

      I can consider my legacy just fine without having to dive down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole. Go back to /pol/.

    93. Re:Why even adopt it by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "They need protection from punitive actions by the government, certainly... That said, white supremacists and similar degenerates should NOT be protected from the free speech of others."

      Agreed but we aren't talking about the free speech of others. We are talking about "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" which in the United States has been determined to at a minimum mean that everyone has a right to pursue gainful employment. We both know many contribute to these projects on contract from an employer or in hopes of demonstrating their skills for future employment. If you prevent people from participating, you are hindering their ability to be gainfully employed.

      The absence of the kind of CoC terms we've really been discussing here may result in a less friendly environment. Because of that people might choose because of their sensitivities not to participate. But the current terms for most these projects aren't preventing them from participating and expressing themselves. Flamewars may erupt, people get unproductive for a bit, then calm down and can participate again. Under these terms, people would actually be kicked off projects, sometimes long time dedicated contributors, and in some cases maybe top resources that have no counterpart in the world. In many cases a project might be kicking out the lynchpin which holds the project together. I say might and may. I'm not asserting a claim that the lynchpins and best would certainly contradict these CoC terms. I'm pointing out that these terms not only exclude people for life over what may be a single out of turn comment, they define a class of people who will never be welcome, without any regard to their merit, where the current terms welcome anyone. Software development isn't a numbers game, not really, one fantastic developer can be worth 10,000 mediocre ones.

      There is really only one form of merit in software development. It is all about the code. Any policy that has the potential to reject the best code on a basis that has absolutely nothing to do with code.

    94. Re: Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Clearly, you have no legacy, having aborted it.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    95. Re: Why even adopt it by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Wrong again. It's honestly kind of fun shattering the expectations of incels and Nazis everywhere.

      But hey, when years of abuse lead your "legacy" to finally estrange themselves from you, perhaps we'll talk again. You will leave no mark but your genes, and even their carriers will do their damndest to erase your memory.

    96. Re:Why even adopt it by werepants · · Score: 1

      We are talking about "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" which in the United States has been determined to at a minimum mean that everyone has a right to pursue gainful employment. We both know many contribute to these projects on contract from an employer or in hopes of demonstrating their skills for future employment. If you prevent people from participating, you are hindering their ability to be gainfully employed.

      This just doesn't make sense. By this logic, you would be required to allow a belligerent racist to volunteer for your charity, even if that person's antisocial behaviors were driving away other volunteers and making the entire operation dysfunctional because of conflict. You have a right to pursue happiness - not a guarantee that you will be allowed to be a part of any project you want. Sometimes you pursue something and don't get it until you improve your skills, technical or social.

      Here's the thing: even WITH these codes of conduct, a racist, sexist, whatever-ist can be part of any software project they choose, as long as they keep their opinions to themselves. They will be only asked to leave if they are for some reason unable to keep their opinions out of their project communication. There's never any reason to bring those things up in the context of code comments or software arguments anyway.

    97. Re: Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Nah, won't happen. He's dependent upon me to do his bookkeeping.

      Genes are the only mark that ever counts for anybody in the long run.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    98. Re: Why even adopt it by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Still has to have daddy handle his finances for him, huh? You must be so proud

    99. Re: Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Given that he's got an IQ of 69, I'm very proud of what he has accomplished. But I'm sure an ableist like you has no idea.

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    100. Re: Why even adopt it by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Points for effort and for style. You sure got me. But I'm curious. You say you're proud of what your son has accomplished, and that's fair as far as it goes, but it doesn't mesh well with the other things you've said. You pal around with people who explicitly say they want to kill your son and others like him. Your own allies would paint your son as "defective" and cull him; how do you square that with the pride you feel for him?

    101. Re: Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Actually, no I don't. I'm pro-life- *CONSISTENT* pro-life. And my views have evolved since I chose this handle. I certainly would not want anybody "culled".

      In fact, in keeping with everything else I said- I want people to breed. Maximum genetic diversity is good for the species, because what we determine to be "defective" is flawed.

      Of course, my son's "accomplishments" are things like actually finally getting rid of pullups at age 15......

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      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    102. Re: Why even adopt it by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Actually, no I don't. I'm pro-life- *CONSISTENT* pro-life. And my views have evolved since I chose this handle. I certainly would not want anybody "culled".

      The Consistent Life Ethic, I've heard it called. Good for you. But it wasn't your views I was questioning. I believe you when you say you don't want anyone culled; it's your pals I'm less sure of. You're being used as a shield by people who very much do want to cull people like your son, and as near as I can tell, you seem perfectly okay with that.

      In fact, in keeping with everything else I said- I want people to breed. Maximum genetic diversity is good for the species, because what we determine to be "defective" is flawed.

      Your friends would say otherwise. Indeed, this is dangerous talk for someone like you, because it's the kind of thing that gets you labeled a traitor by people like them. I do not like your compatriots very much. Why do you?

      Of course, my son's "accomplishments" are things like actually finally getting rid of pullups at age 15......

      And if that's the time he needed, good for him. I had a relative who came to a similar accomplishment much later in life. But seriously, you've allied yourself with people who do not recognize these things the way you and I do, and they aren't going to be happy to see you talking like this.

    103. Re: Why even adopt it by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Which friends are those? Which allies are those?

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    104. Re: Why even adopt it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which friends are those? Which allies are those?

      Unless you have already somehow screened all your friends and allies to pass your personal ideological purity test, chances are you have some who do not follow your consistent pro-life stance.

      Just counting voters who bothered to show up in 2016, there's a good 60 million for both major parties. Did you screen all 60 million of them?

      If you consider certain religious groups as your friends and allies, they also number at least in the millions. Screening every one of them out to be ideological pure and genuine would be rather difficult. Note to mention religion hasn't had a good track record in being consistent (if religion today is as consistent with when it was founded around 2000 years ago, we'd be culling a lot of people who work on Sunday, for example)

  2. Yes, CoCs are a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And now you're getting it.

  3. That's awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good job! Don't let the SJW's push you around.

  4. But is it a bad code? by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

    People are objecting, but is it a bad code of conduct? I can't find the text, but being monastic I'm guessing it values service to the community and forbids sexual harassment.

    Seems like it might be a good choice for a CoC.

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    1. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      People are objecting, but is it a bad code of conduct?

      It requires celibacy, so is in effect a no-op.

    2. Re:But is it a bad code? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Informative

      People are objecting, but is it a bad code of conduct?

      It's not bad. Rule 69 (ironic) is to "love the juniors". Which is a little offputting in the modern Catholic Church. But it's right after "respect the seniors" and is clearly trying to set up a mentor/mentee situation.

      That said, there's a lot of pro-catholic theology in it that would be pretty offensive if it was explicitly added to a CoC. And it's anti-sexual harassment policy is "love chastity".

      It's a really short read. 72 commands that are usually a sentence fragment.

      I can't find the text

      A public domain religious text? Let me help with that. Note, that's a link directly to chapter 4.

      http://www.gutenberg.org/files...

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    3. Re:But is it a bad code? by dasunt · · Score: 1

      I was going to cut and paste them, but I couldn't get past the filter.

      So here is a link.

      If you cut the overt religious and denial of wordly pleasures out of it, it would make a decent CoC.

    4. Re:But is it a bad code? by hey! · · Score: 4, Informative

      You can find the Rule of St Benedict here, it is not specifically monastic, but rather outlines general Christian ethical ideals of piety, humility, charity, forbearance and chastity.

      You could probably omit piety and chastity, but a lot of the rules do make sense for any community: not to nurse a grudge; to bear wrongs and insults patiently, don't be a grumbler or detractor, settle personal disputes quickly and peacefully, avoid mocking or depraved speech, and to keep a sense of perspective (see rule #47, chapter 4).

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    5. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seek out the Benedictine system. The most popular monastic system within and without Christianity. The very vocal people that are denouncing this change might not be aware of the classics or the developmental history of governing institutions for selfless public good.

      To this atheist, St. Benedictine was a very good choice.

    6. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot won't let me post it as a list because then there are too few characters per line, so now you'll have to read it all mashed together. You're welcome.

      1 In the first place to love the Lord God with the whole heart, the whole soul, the whole strength... 2 Then, one's neighbor as one's self (cf Mt 22:37-39; Mk 12:30-31; Lk 10:27). 3 Then, not to kill... 4 Not to commit adultery... 5 Not to steal... 6 Not to covet (cf Rom 13:9). 7 Not to bear false witness (cf Mt 19:18; Mk 10:19; Lk 18:20). 8 To honor all men (cf 1 Pt 2:17). 9 And what one would not have done to himself, not to do to another (cf Tob 4:16; Mt 7:12; Lk 6:31). 10 To deny one's self in order to follow Christ (cf Mt 16:24; Lk 9:23). 11 To chastise the body (cf 1 Cor 9:27). 12 Not to seek after pleasures. 13 To love fasting. 14 To relieve the poor. 15 To clothe the naked... 16 To visit the sick (cf Mt 25:36). 17 To bury the dead. 18 To help in trouble. 19 To console the sorrowing. 20 To hold one's self aloof from worldly ways. 21 To prefer nothing to the love of Christ. 22 Not to give way to anger. 23 Not to foster a desire for revenge. 24 Not to entertain deceit in the heart. 25 Not to make a false peace. 26 Not to forsake charity. 27 Not to swear, lest perchance one swear falsely. 28 To speak the truth with heart and tongue. 29 Not to return evil for evil (cf 1 Thes 5:15; 1 Pt 3:9). 30 To do no injury, yea, even patiently to bear the injury done us. 31 To love one's enemies (cf Mt 5:44; Lk 6:27). 32 Not to curse them that curse us, but rather to bless them. 33 To bear persecution for justice sake (cf Mt 5:10). 34 Not to be proud... 35 Not to be given to wine (cf Ti 1:7; 1 Tm 3:3). 36 Not to be a great eater. 37 Not to be drowsy. 38 Not to be slothful (cf Rom 12:11). 39 Not to be a murmurer. 40 Not to be a detractor. 41 To put one's trust in God. 42 To refer what good one sees in himself, not to self, but to God. 43 But as to any evil in himself, let him be convinced that it is his own and charge it to himself. 44 To fear the day of judgment. 45 To be in dread of hell. 46 To desire eternal life with all spiritual longing. 47 To keep death before one's eyes daily. 48 To keep a constant watch over the actions of our life. 49 To hold as certain that God sees us everywhere. 50 To dash at once against Christ the evil thoughts which rise in one's heart. 51 And to disclose them to our spiritual father. 52 To guard one's tongue against bad and wicked speech. 53 Not to love much speaking. 54 Not to speak useless words and such as provoke laughter. 55 Not to love much or boisterous laughter. 56 To listen willingly to holy reading. 57 To apply one's self often to prayer. 58 To confess one's past sins to God daily in prayer with sighs and tears, and to amend them for the future. 59 Not to fulfil the desires of the flesh (cf Gal 5:16). 60 To hate one's own will. 61 To obey the commands of the Abbot in all things, even though he himself (which Heaven forbid) act otherwise, mindful of that precept of the Lord: "What they say, do ye; what they do, do ye not" (Mt 23:3). 62 Not to desire to be called holy before one is; but to be holy first, that one may be truly so called. 63 To fulfil daily the commandments of God by works. 64 To love chastity. 65 To hate no one. 66 Not to be jealous; not to entertain envy. 67 Not to love strife. 68 Not to love pride. 69 To honor the aged. 70 To love the younger. 71 To pray for one's enemies in the love of Christ. 72 To make peace with an adversary before the setting of the sun. 73 And never to despair of God's mercy.

    7. Re:But is it a bad code? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      St. Benedict’s Rule for Monasteries is a pretty interesting read as a study on how to form cooperative organizations. It's very heavily drench in medieval European culture, so it's thoroughly and unashamedly Christian.

      Worthwhile reading if you think understanding medieval institution is interesting, or to cherry-pick ideas if when you're trying to put together an informal group that needs some structure to stay on the right track.

      I think it would have been very easy to edit down the core ideas into a purely secular and modern code, even if one chose to structure it similar to the original. Overall SQLite community's execution of this CoC shows a certain carelessness in verbatim adopting a code for a different kind of organization.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    8. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.gutenberg.org/files/50040/50040-h/50040-h.html#chapter-4-nl-what-are-the-instruments-of-good-works

      Here's the section they mention.

    9. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      12 Not to seek after pleasures. 13 To love fasting.

      And they were doing so well up until that point...

    10. Re:But is it a bad code? by L_R_Shaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Seems like it might be a good choice for a CoC.

      The other and more sinister reason is the massive attempt by SJWs to ram the toxic 'contributors covenant' by the vile Coraline Ada Ehmke and others is the creation of SJW thought police organization for all open source projects who are dumb enough to adopt it.

      Essentially SJWs getting paid to sit at home combing through open source projects searching for cases of wrongthink and working behind the scenes in ideological star chambers to kick their ideological enemies.

      Projects creating their own sane CoCs or even just mocking the push to adopt these toxic SJW CoCs infuriates them. They are trying to get every single open source project to adopt a single universal SJW CoC and place every project under ideological thought police.

      Think this is all hyperbole, just look at the sickening attack by Coraline Ada Ehmke against Ruby's creator when he refused to bend the knee:

      https://twitter.com/coralinead...

    11. Re:But is it a bad code? by randomErr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Overall no.The issue I think most people have is the Christian hierarchy that is enforced within the organization. They fear that it will force everyone who touches SQLite will have to take a religious stance they don't agree with. That CoC is just peace, pray, and work hard for what you believe. If they stay with this CoC I look for Google and the Mozillia foundation to remove SQLite for their browsers in the next major update just for political, not practical reasons.

      --
      You say things that offend me and I can deal with it. Can you?
    12. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where can I get these paid jobs to read source code looking for SJW triggers? Is this real or are you a fucking liar who just makes shut up out of whole cloth?

      Rhetorical question.

    13. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're either blind or you support this shit. Fuck you, you petty tyrant.

    14. Re:But is it a bad code? by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You could probably omit piety and chastity

      I dunno, seems like a pretty firm way to shut down sexual harassment. "Nothing we do here has anything to do with sex, so don't go there".

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    15. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Citation needed. There is no mention of celibacy. Only Adultery. Please confirm you have read the CoC and speak English.

    16. Re: But is it a bad code? by L_R_Shaw · · Score: 2

      Oh look, it is the same boring SJW AC troll who never manages to get any upvotes.

      For the non dumb SJW trolls who want to see the SJW organization referred to just look up Coraline Ada Ehmke Code of Conduct organization or the something similar. I don't really have the stomach to search through such a vile person's Coraline Ada Ehmke's social media timelines right now for a link to it.

      Should be a shock to no one. It is the dream job of every SJW to sit at home all day tone/thought policing people on the internet while getting paid.

    17. Re:But is it a bad code? by andymadigan · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      It's got several references to "God" and "Christ", so if you're not a Christian you'll probably find that you can't in good conscience follow the Code of Conduct (or falsely claim to be following) and thus find yourself unable to contribute to the project.

      Examples:
      1. First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength.
      10. Deny oneself in order to follow Christ.
      21. Prefer nothing more than the love of Christ.
      41. Put your hope in God.
      42. Attribute to God, and not to self, whatever good you see in yourself.
      44. Fear the Day of Judgment.
      45. Be in dread of hell.
      62. Fulfill God's commandments daily in your deeds.

      There's more. I'm not a Christian, so to me this all reads like something written by religious extremists, and really doesn't seem appropriate for a 21st century company (there is a company behind SQLite) or open source project. Someone should probably fork SQLite to get it away from the religious crazy, as it won't be long before people start objecting to its use in other projects on those grounds.

      --
      The right to protest the State is more sacred than the State.
    18. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's an idea: How about you at least skim it before commenting.

      Here are some of the rules:
      Love fasting
      Fear the Day of Judgment.
      Be in dread of hell.
      Keep death daily before your eyes.
      Know for certain that God sees you everywhere.
      Do not love much talking.
      Speak no useless words or words that move to laughter.
      Do not love much or boisterous laughter.
      Daily in your prayers, with tears and sighs, confess your past sins to God, and amend them for the future.
      Fulfill not the desires of the flesh; hate your own will.
      Do not love quarreling.
      Love your juniors.

      And that's leaving out most of the mentions of god.

      So the perfect SQLite contributor would be a superstitious, depressed, malnourished, fearful, paranoid, humourloss, self-loathing "junior lover" who can't even participate in a design discussion for fear of expressing their will.

      I think George Carlin said it better than I ever will.

    19. Re:But is it a bad code? by mysidia · · Score: 3, Informative

      The text is on SQLite's website: Code of Conduct.

      It's actually a pretty decent code of conduct; if you ask only that developers govern their interactions with others according to the code.

      I am guessing the objections are that the code contains religions admonitions such as:

      Rule 1. First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength.

      A majority of developers will likely be of some religion that can identify with that statement; However, the statement could disturb
      atheists who might participate in the project, when the CoC references particular individual practices they disagree with.

      On the other hand it's also true that the code doesn't mention any consequences for failing to follow specific rules on individual conduct.
      it particularly says: .... the SQLite developers elected to govern their interactions with each other, with their clients, and with the larger SQLite user community in accordance with the "instruments of good works" .... This rule is strict, and none are able to comply perfectly. Grace is readily granted for minor transgressions. All are encouraged to follow this rule closely, as in so doing they may expect to live happier, healthier, and more productive lives. The entire rule is good and wholesome, and yet we make no enforcement of the more introspective aspects. ....

    20. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The poor fools obviously didn't have bacon when they wrote that.

    21. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it would have been very easy to edit down the core ideas into a purely secular and modern code, even if one chose to structure it similar to the original.

      Maybe, but that would be missing the point. It's not ment to be a useful CoC for the SQLite project. It's a troll on the level of "it's okay to be white", except moreso: How the hell can you disagree with a 1500 year old dyed in the wool proven CoC? Well? Popcorn and watch the SJWs try.

      Now to see if the project survives this hijink, which it still very much might not. I don't particularly like SQLite (and dislike its "we must have this!"-status with the likes of mozilla) so I have no strong attachment to the outcome either way. But they are playing a dangerous game. If someone has to do it, might as well be them, so kudos for doing the needful.

    22. Re:But is it a bad code? by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      People are objecting, but is it a bad code of conduct?

      It requires celibacy, so is in effect a no-op.

      What difference would that make in a coding project?

      --
      If I can be modded down for being a troll, can I be modded up for being an orc, or a balrog?
    23. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People are objecting, but is it a bad code of conduct? I can't find the text, but being monastic I'm guessing it values service to the community and forbids sexual harassment.

      Irrelevant. The purpose of a "code of conduct" is to enforce adherence to the Yogyakarta Principles and suppress opposition to Islam. If you have a public record of disagreeing with either of them, you are to be forced out.

    24. Re:But is it a bad code? by goose-incarnated · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sqlite is one of the most widely distributed and used libraries in all of software. It has larger penetration than Linux, is more ubiquitous than zlib.

      I think they have the karma to burn on this.

      --
      I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
    25. Re:But is it a bad code? by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

      It's a flippant attempt at a joke, intended to mock the concept of civil interpersonal relations, perhaps because somebody thinks that makes them look cool or smart or edgy or something, but instead sends the clear message "contribute your volunteer effort elsewhere." One word for this: backfire.

      Next, the damage control. Or will they double down? Let's see.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    26. Re:But is it a bad code? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      It's a flippant attempt at a joke, intended to mock the concept of civil interpersonal relations, perhaps because somebody thinks that makes them look cool or smart or edgy or something, but instead sends the clear message "contribute your volunteer effort elsewhere." One word for this: backfire.

      It's intended to mock people like yourself.

      From anger generated by perpetually miserable SJW crowd I would say it's working as intended.

    27. Re:But is it a bad code? by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

      You sound angry. Projecting much?

      Now, after looking at what the author has to say about it, I realize it's not a joke, or a mockery, it is in fact a religious screed put forth in all seriousness. And entirely out of place, if he needs to give a sermon then he should do it in church, or write a song or something.

      Now I can see that the author, the original developer, is sincere enough. Just made a mistake. I for one want to be on the side of defusing this, what about you? The last thing I want is to be part of an angry mob running this guy out of his own project.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    28. Re:But is it a bad code? by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Rule 1. First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength.

      A majority of developers will likely be of some religion that can identify with that statement; However, the statement could disturb
      atheists who might participate in the project, when the CoC references particular individual practices they disagree with.

      On the other hand it's also true that the code doesn't mention any consequences for failing to follow specific rules on individual conduct.

      Well, considering that this was designed for a religious organisation whose whole point was to work and pray, it may be translated to commit yourself to whatever cause and goal your organisation has. You don't need to sacrifice all your personal life to your open source hobby, but don't do half-assed what you're doing for it.

      Consequences for failing the rules are described in chapters 23 to 27, but that may be referring to the other, more specific and "technical" rules how a monastery should be ran.

      --
      bickerdyke
    29. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter. All the SQLITE devs signed off on it, so who cares what anyone else thinks?
      The guy said it himself: if even a single dev had dissented he would not have done it.
      People who do not contribute get no say.

    30. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They fear that it will force everyone who touches SQLite will have to take a religious stance they don't agree with.

      Hmmm... why don't we get pushback like this for the contributor covenant?

      They fear that it will force everyone who touches SQLite will have to take a political stance they don't agree with.

      The double standards are appalling. Be it religious or political, one's own beliefs or alignment has nothing to do with their code.

    31. Re:But is it a bad code? by nctritech · · Score: 1

      Damn straight. No one who uses SQLite is going to swap it out over an incredibly stupid political holy war that most "show me the code" geeks don't give a fuck about and want to go away a million times faster than it appeared on their doorstep.

    32. Re:But is it a bad code? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

      > but a lot of the rules do make sense for any community:

      And a lot don't.

      54. Not to speak useless words or words that move to laughter.

      No humor? Wow, talk about sticks in the mud.

      /sarcasm On noes, humor! Quick, that's eeeee-vil !!

    33. Re:But is it a bad code? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, Richard Stallman is a near-enough stand-in. And "christ" is actually a title. A greek transliteration for "Anointed one" with connotations to "son of god". Which would obviously be the GPL, the most holy of licenses to descend from the almighty.

      1. First of all, love the Lord RMS with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength. (perfectly reasonable)
      10. Deny oneself in order to follow the GPL (Yeah, you can't flex your copyright trying to get paid for GPL'd code. But trust me, it works out)
      21. Prefer nothing more than the love of the GPL ( Shun the proprietary licenses of yore)
      41. Put your hope in RMS
      42. Attribute to RMS, and not to self, whatever good you see in yourself. (Eh, that's honestly a bit much. But it's not like we're literalists or anything)
      44. Fear the Day of Judgment. (obviously a reference to code-review)
      45. Be in dread of hell. (I prefer the term "sharepoint development", but whatever floats your ark)
      62. Fulfill RMS's commandments daily in your deeds. (Yeah man, where's your pull request? Release early and often. "Daily" would be nice.)

      Just, like.... squint a little dude. It's what most major religions do anyway.

    34. Re:But is it a bad code? by nctritech · · Score: 1

      Aww, the poor baby's ideology got sprained.

    35. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I so badly want to replace Firefox because of their stupid politics. Them and many others. As Theo de Raadt would say, "Shut up and hack". I don't give a hoot in hell if they guy in the next office is a 10th-level womanizing, Neo-colonialist, white supremacist, rebel flag wearing coding master. Who cares? I care about the merit of his code. Much as the former Mozilla CEO was more or less driven to resign by politics from Mozilla, the full-on nature of meritocracy should be first and foremost with zero about political correctness.

    36. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You left out the part where that vile person who created the ironically named "Creator's Covenant" is specifically against judging peoples' work based on merit and instead believes that representation and inclusion are what's important--as long as what's being represented are approved genders, skin colors, and sexual orientations of course. I mean, we're only dealing with mission critical software here, what could possibly go wrong?

      I do wonder though--how can you tell someone's race or gender when you're reviewing their code and not looking at them? Oh, yeah, you can't. These codes of conduct are vile, disgusting, counterproductive, and when they find their way into something that deals with the protection of life or even property, outright dangerous.

      I don't care any more about a developer's feelings than the computer does--which is to say, not at all. I only care if the work is right or not. Well, that's not entirely true. I care to not work with people who take codes of conduct seriously because they're toxic and will backstab you the second it's convenient. These people need to be run out of every productive organization around because all they do is take a well running machine and foul up the works.

    37. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These were just a buggars, now they are toejam of RMS...

    38. Re:But is it a bad code? by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      > Slashdot won't let me post it as a list because then there are too few characters per line, so now you'll have to read it all mashed together.

      /sarcasm Gee, if only there were a way (*) to have paragraph breaks every N sentences ...

      1 In the first place to love the Lord God with the whole heart, the whole soul, the whole strength... 2 Then, one's neighbor as one's self (cf Mt 22:37-39; Mk 12:30-31; Lk 10:27). 3 Then, not to kill... 4 Not to commit adultery...

      5 Not to steal... 6 Not to covet (cf Rom 13:9). 7 Not to bear false witness (cf Mt 19:18; Mk 10:19; Lk 18:20). 8 To honor all men (cf 1 Pt 2:17). 9 And what one would not have done to himself, not to do to another (cf Tob 4:16; Mt 7:12; Lk 6:31). 10 To deny one's self in order to follow Christ (cf Mt 16:24; Lk 9:23).

      ... or as a code:


      1. In the first place to love the Lord God with the whole heart, the whole soul, the whole strength...
      2. Then, one's neighbor as one's self (cf Mt 22:37-39; Mk 12:30-31; Lk 10:27).
      3. Then, not to kill...
      4. Not to commit adultery...
      5. Not to steal...
      6. Not to covet (cf Rom 13:9).
      7. Not to bear false witness (cf Mt 19:18; Mk 10:19; Lk 18:20).
      8. To honor all men (cf 1 Pt 2:17).
      9. And what one would not have done to himself, not to do to another (cf Tob 4:16; Mt 7:12; Lk 6:31).
      10 To deny one's self in order to follow Christ (cf Mt 16:24; Lk 9:23).
      11 To chastise the body (cf 1 Cor 9:27).
      12 Not to seek after pleasures.
      13 To love fasting.
      14 To relieve the poor.
      15 To clothe the naked...
      16 To visit the sick (cf Mt 25:36).
      17 To bury the dead.
      18 To help in trouble.
      19 To console the sorrowing.
      20 To hold one's self aloof from worldly ways.
      21 To prefer nothing to the love of Christ.
      22 Not to give way to anger.
      23 Not to foster a desire for revenge.
      24 Not to entertain deceit in the heart.
      25 Not to make a false peace.
      26 Not to forsake charity.
      27 Not to swear, lest perchance one swear falsely.
      28 To speak the truth with heart and tongue.
      29 Not to return evil for evil (cf 1 Thes 5:15; 1 Pt 3:9).
      30 To do no injury, yea, even patiently to bear the injury done us.
      31 To love one's enemies (cf Mt 5:44; Lk 6:27).
      32 Not to curse them that curse us, but rather to bless them.
      33 To bear persecution for justice sake (cf Mt 5:10).
      34 Not to be proud...
      35 Not to be given to wine (cf Ti 1:7; 1 Tm 3:3).
      36 Not to be a great eater.
      37 Not to be drowsy.
      38 Not to be slothful (cf Rom 12:11).
      39 Not to be a murmurer.
      40 Not to be a detractor.
      41 To put one's trust in God.
      42 To refer what good one sees in himself, not to self, but to God.
      43 But as to any evil in himself, let him be convinced that it is his own and charge it to himself.
      44 To fear the day of judgment.
      45 To be in dread of hell.
      46 To desire eternal life with all spiritual longing.
      47 To keep death before one's eyes daily.
      48 To keep a constant watch over the actions of our life.
      49 To hold as certain that God sees us everywhere.
      50 To dash at once against Christ the evil thoughts which rise in one's heart.
      51 And to disclose them to our spiritual father.
      52 To guard one's tongue against bad and wicked speech.
      53 Not to love much speaking.
      54 Not to speak useless words and such as provoke laughter.
      55 Not to love much or boisterous laughter.
      56 To listen willingly to holy reading.
      57 To apply one's self often to prayer.
      58 To confess one's past sins to God daily in prayer with sighs and tears, and to amend them for the future.
      59 Not to fulfil the desires of the flesh (cf Gal 5:16).
      60 To hate one's own will.
      61 To obey the commands of the Abbot in all things, even though he himself (which Heaven forbid) act otherwise, mindful of that precept of the Lord: "What they say, do ye; what they do, do ye not" (Mt 23:3).
      62 Not to desire to be called holy before one is; but to be holy first, that

    39. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's OK to offend people. Everything someone does will potentially offend some portion of society, and that's OK. It's not OK to pull back from your position for fear of retribution, which is what happens today. I'm not talking about being intentionally obnoxious, rather simply being yourself and some SJW takes issue with you because you've "fallen afoul" of their self-righteousness as a perfect human.

      I have refused to attend homosexual weddings of work colleagues and been accused of bigotry. I asked them to prove it. How am I a bigot, because I don't endorse your lifestyle? Given that logic, I suppose I'd likewise be sinning not to endorse any group or set of beliefs.

    40. Re:But is it a bad code? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2

      You sound angry. Projecting much?

      I am amused by absurdity.

      Now, after looking at what the author has to say about it, I realize it's not a joke, or a mockery, it is in fact a religious screed put forth in all seriousness. And entirely out of place, if he needs to give a sermon then he should do it in church, or write a song or something.

      Either he's mocking you or you are mocking his religious beliefs. Either way you lose.

      Now I can see that the author, the original developer, is sincere enough. Just made a mistake. I for one want to be on the side of defusing this, what about you? The last thing I want is to be part of an angry mob running this guy out of his own project.

      LOL classic SJW...

      REPENT NOW or our mob will ATTTTAAACCKKK!!

    41. Re: But is it a bad code? by niftydude · · Score: 1
      Contribute your volunteer effort elsewhere huh? Richard stated

      All current committers to SQLiteÂapproved the CoC before I published it. ÂA single dissent would haveÂbeen sufficient for me to change course. Â

      So not one person complaining about the CoC are contributors. All the people complaining are good for is hyperventilating on Twitter. If they want a db with a better CoC, they can write one. But they won't, because it's far easier for them to piss away their lives on social media and complain that no one respects them, even though the reason for that lack of respect is that they've never done anything because of said pissing away of time.

      --
      You can never know everything, and part of what you do know will always be wrong. Perhaps even the most important part.
    42. Re:But is it a bad code? by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      Sqlite is one of the most widely distributed and used libraries in all of software. It has larger penetration than Linux, is more ubiquitous than zlib.

      I think they have the karma to burn on this.

      Perhaps, but SJWs are already trying to manufacture outrage by shaming the project sponsors like Mozilla.

      Something's probably going to give in over this -- either the SQLite CoC or Mozilla -- and Mozilla has already proven they don't have a spine to stand with, so...

      --
      "What do you despise? By this are you truly known." --Princess Irulan, Manual of Muad'Dib
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    43. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A *code" of condt? I see what you did there.

    44. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite right. If you're not part of the project you don't get to dictate anything. That's the problem these days. People believe they have a right to not be offended by anything. Good luck with that.

      A lady I know got all offended when she asked about halloween this year. I said I would have gone as a SJW, but my head doesn't fit up my ass.

    45. Re:But is it a bad code? by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

      is it a bad code of conduct?

      Yes, it is a bad code of conduct. Mixed together with many high minded desiderata there are multiple explicit religious exhortations such as "deny oneself in order to follow Christ." There is also a great deal of fluff having little to do with software development or community behavior such as "chastise the body" and "clothe the naked." I dunno, what is the one piece of advice I most want to give to D. Richard Hipp? Maybe: "review before posting".

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    46. Re:But is it a bad code? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      You sound angry. Projecting much?

      I am amused by absurdity.

      So you try to amuse yourself by posting as much absurdity to the internet as you possibly can. Does it enhance your self image?

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    47. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sqlite is one of the most widely distributed and used libraries in all of software. It has larger penetration than Linux, is more ubiquitous than zlib.

      I think they have the karma to burn on this.

      To clarify for the SJWs: Sqlite is wider, but Linux is deeper.

    48. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What difference would that make in a coding project?

      Uhmm.... that was the joke.

    49. Re: But is it a bad code? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Well, it depends on the kind of laughter. People laugh for all kinds of reasons, some of them positive and healthy, but others quite nasty.

      --
      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    50. Re:But is it a bad code? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I think they have the karma to burn on this.

      Yes, and their karma is flaming brightly indeed. Next, the damage control.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    51. Re:But is it a bad code? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I won't, it is a solid piece of work. But they have other reasons for not wanting to be regarded as complete idiots, the document itself drops some hints. Something about "clients".

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    52. Re:But is it a bad code? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I clicked on the link and am wondering why Brion Vibber has a profile picture on twitter that looks like he's taking a difficult bowel movement.

      Maybe it comes with the personality.

    53. Re:But is it a bad code? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      A lady I know got all offended when she asked about halloween this year. I said I would have gone as a SJW, but my head doesn't fit up my ass.

      Cut her a little slack. It was a fairly vulgar comment on your part. We appreciate the sentiment, but coarseness isn't always the right tact.

    54. Re:But is it a bad code? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      It says right in Huxley's book that "everybody belongs to everyone else." So when you cut yourself off from others, you are stealing from them. Or something.

      Didn't you know that your disapproval of them is offensive, whereas their disapproval of you is inclusive and positive?

    55. Re:But is it a bad code? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      No, he just encourages you to post, for it's amusement value.

      Don't you get it?

    56. Re: But is it a bad code? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Oh, I am sure they are conferring amongst themselves to try to identify a fellow-traveller who has the chops to join the SQLite team and object virulently.

      Maybe they even know somebody like that.

    57. Re:But is it a bad code? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Are you sure you're ok?

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    58. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But there is though!

      Number 64: "To love chastity."

      I think the comment you reply to was meant as a joke though.

    59. Re: But is it a bad code? by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter how much you worry.

    60. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time and time again, we see that when you "get woke" you go broke. Social justice warriors are a huge net negative on the balance sheets. No one uses SQLite because it supports causes, they use it because it serves a purpose and serves it extremely well. Money talks, and at the end of the day SJWs are a money-sucking void. No one likes them but themselves and the only success that they can possibly chalk up is that of weaponizing empathy.

    61. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anyone needs an example of projection, load all comments, hit CTRL+F, and type "Tough Love." As of this comment, 19 matches, all of them SJW whining. That's a lot of outraged troll, kiddo.

    62. Re:But is it a bad code? by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      is it a bad code of conduct?

      Yes, it is a bad code of conduct. Mixed together with many high minded desiderata there are multiple explicit religious exhortations such as "deny oneself in order to follow Christ." There is also a great deal of fluff having little to do with software development or community behavior such as "chastise the body" and "clothe the naked." I dunno, what is the one piece of advice I most want to give to D. Richard Hipp? Maybe: "review before posting".

      In which alternate universe is that post flamebait?

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    63. Re:But is it a bad code? by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

      I don't see any of your mythical SJWs posting, but I do see a some trolls such as you posting, apparently trying to stir up controversy.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    64. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of that old saying, "if you can't see the mark at the poker table, it's you?"

    65. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go talk to David Brock and his legions of brainwashed useful idiots who whore themselves out for peanuts or even for free.

    66. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      <Jeff Foxworthy voice> If you think "SJW" is a term invented by fascist nazi bigot rapist cis white males to unperson anyone who doesn't spend all day lynching blacks and gassing jews, you might be an SJW.<Jeff Foxworthy voice>

    67. Re: But is it a bad code? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The parts about chastity are going to exclude a lot of people. The parts about loving god will exclude a smaller number of people.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    68. Re:But is it a bad code? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Well what else would we make communion wafers out of?

    69. Re:But is it a bad code? by lgw · · Score: 1

      So, pretty much like all the other CoCs then? Well, they want you to take a political stance you might not agree with, rather than a religious, but it's much the same.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    70. Re:But is it a bad code? by dbreeze · · Score: 1

      http://www.ccel.org/ccel/bened... Yes. It is a fine code. Every young person should study it and work towards maturity in it's wisdom.

      --
      When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
    71. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're not joking about paid SJWs -- all summer long my independant neighborhood coffee shop had stacks of flyers offering summer jobs for SJW work

    72. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go straighten out your bow tie

    73. Re:But is it a bad code? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      It's not ment to be a useful CoC for the SQLite project. It's a troll on the level of "it's okay to be white"

      The author of SQLite is quite a religious person. I don't think it's some kind of joke. Usually devote people don't use things related to their religion as a form of mockery.

      Now to see if the project survives this hijink

      The project isn't going way just because a few thousand people get upset. And the public domain nature of SQLite makes it pretty trivial to fork and continue to integrate patches from mainline. But I seriously doubt the current community around SQLite would ever break up. Having a group that respects their leader makes external criticism pretty irrelevant in this case.

      --
      “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
    74. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a very good code, except in a few lines it refers to JC explicitly which will have daemons in some people get very exciting. Otherwise rules are pretty sound.

      https://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html

    75. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guard your tongue against evil and depraved speech.

    76. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What bacon, why you are using this divisive language to exclude Moslems and well you know whom?

    77. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mozilla lacks the engineering talent to create their own alternative to SQLite with reliability and performance on par with SQLite. If they attempt it, quality will suffer.

    78. Re:But is it a bad code? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      No, you being an asshole doesn't mean somebody else loses. It just means you already lost.

    79. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guard your tongue against evil and depraved speech.
      Junior developers you describe are preferred at any project at any time over Carolyne Ada Ehmkes.

    80. Re:But is it a bad code? by lorien420 · · Score: 1

      TFA: "What can you do?

      I made a joke in the title of this post about weaponizing empathy. I'm not sure that's even possible. But you can start by having clear community guidelines, teaching your community to close the door on overt hate, and watching out for any overall empathy erosion caused by the six dark community behavior patterns I outlined above."

      --
      "[We'll be] really getting inside your head and making it an unpleasant place to be" -- Trent Reznor
    81. Re:But is it a bad code? by nastyphil · · Score: 1

      It's pretty robust code.

      No code is perfect; but this one has run for at least 1000 years.

      Literally, there are large, rich Benedictine institutions that have been in continuous operation for almost a dozen centuries. Empires have come and gone and come again in the same timespan.

      Interestingly my current masters degree (http://www.mediacultures.net/mah/application/center-at-gottweig/) course is delivered in a monastery.

      Also, 'mission statements' - I don't think that word means what you think it means. They are not supposed to be something wafty. Mission statements and the like, like all higher-order rules, are to provide direction and resolution when the lower order rules fail. Ofc many organisations and their management have no fscking clue.

      Anyway the point is that rules work best when there is some flex, but this requires the participation of non-assholes.

      --
      Dialectician. Archology.
    82. Re:But is it a bad code? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      They certainly lack the engineering talent to create a decent browser.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    83. Re:But is it a bad code? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Of course we get it: he's just like the lol I trol u guy. As it says in the well known comic, having your own ill informed opinions pointed out isn't remotely the same as cunning trolling. But if having your own foolishness pointed out is how you get you jollies, by all means continue.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    84. Re:But is it a bad code? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 2

      Exactly, this is hardly news, but another example of the anti-SJW folks becoming seriously obnoxious. The people foaming their mouths here apparently haven't read the actual license agreement of SQLite:

      The author disclaims copyright to this source code. In place of a legal notice, here is a blessing:

      ** May you do good and not evil.
      ** May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others.
      ** May you share freely, never taking more than you give.

      --
      "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
    85. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems that his position can be summed up as "Ha ha, only serious". If you read his pre-amble he uses humourous language before clarifying that the contributors aren't actually expected to adopt the religion, only to adhere to the level of civility.

    86. Re:But is it a bad code? by havana9 · · Score: 1

      There are books on using the benedectine rule in the business. Byt he way in Italy there are a lot of businesses managed by catholic priests, like Edizioni Paoline, Opera Diocesana Viaggi and so on....

    87. Re:But is it a bad code? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You will note though that no-one is objecting to the content; they understand that it's a joke. They are objecting to the use of a joke when having a CoC is regarded as a somewhat serious issue. SQLite not only has a lot of developers but also has conferences and other meet-ups, and sadly from experience people have had problems at those kinds of events in the past.

      Unfortunately despite even the summary making this clear it seems to have been lost in the debate, mostly because people are so quick to jump on the "triggered SJWs" bandwagon.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    88. Re:But is it a bad code? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      5. Not to steal.
      6. Not to covet.
      7. Not to bear false witness.

      Steve Jobs would not be very happy ;-)

      8. To respect all men.

      Popular opinion on Slashdot is that respect is earned -> Slashdot triggered.

      11. To chastise the body.

      Nice to see that community getting some respect, although I'm not sure it should be mandatory.

      13. To love fasting.
      36. Not a great eater.

      Dietary advice seems a bit OT, and also redundant.

      19. To console the sorrowing.

      Never doubt the healing power of the warm glow of an RS232 terminal.

      27. Not to swear, for fear of perjuring oneself.

      Fuck that.

      35. Not addicted to wine.

      Scotch is okay though, right?

      40. Not a detractor.

      I support banning all down mods.

      49. To know for certain that God sees one everywhere.

      Is "God" code for the NSA/GCHQ, or Amazon maybe? And does he really peak at me in the shower? 'Cos that's hot.

      54. Not to speak useless words or words that move to laughter.
      55. Not to love much or boisterous laughter.

      Must be great fun at parties.

      66. Not to love contention.

      Mandatory network upgrades to keep the cat videos flowing, got it.

      Mixed bag I'd say, could use a few minor tweaks.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    89. Re:But is it a bad code? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Would love to see the slightest shred of evidence for any of this, e.g.

      - SJW thought police organisation
      - Getting paid to sit at home looking for wrongthink
      - Toxic elements of the Contributor's Code of Conduct

      I note that merely asking for examples is considered trolling on Slashdot, much like asking for evidence of god is considered trolling in church.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    90. Re:But is it a bad code? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Classic anti-SJW.

      "I want to avoid causing problems for this person, I'm sure it was an honest mistake, let's diffuse the situation."

      "LOL SJW bigot mob attacking!!"

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    91. Re:But is it a bad code? by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      However, the statement could disturb atheists who might participate in the project

      Not if they have a functioning brain and read the whole thing. You yourself have provided rebuttal to the above.

    92. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sqlite is one of the most widely distributed and used libraries in all of software. It has larger penetration than Linux, is more ubiquitous than zlib.

      I think they have the karma to burn on this.

      Based on the comments here, I'm starting to think that the World would be a vastly better place without any of that shit. And that we should also get rid of the vile little nerds that foisted it on us.

      This is my opinion and in order to celebrate free speech, I will be spreading it as far and wide as I can from now on. Let's just get rid of all the coders, they have produced nothing of value and never will. We cannot have society being tainted by autistic males who are unable to recognise their own toxicity, who need a code of conduct just to keep them from shitting on everybody else.

    93. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It has larger penetration than Linux..."

      And when you've been penetrated by Sqlite, you KNOW it!

    94. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mentee

      This is the word people use when they don't know protégé.

    95. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Attempting chastity doesn't work. Example: Priests

    96. Re:But is it a bad code? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I love chastity. I also love members of the opposite sex. Sometimes all this love causes internal conflicts but I remain strong and I get through it.

      Then I return to loving chastity.

    97. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He doesn't sound angry, you however sound livid. And no, I'm not angry at all, I'm laughing as I type this.

    98. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ami dear you are so late to the party.

      It is no joke, but a serious example of a Code of conduct that meant to work in practice. The Benedictine code underlines how bad is the Coraline Ada job at writing covenants is. Most obvious that Coraline gang is up to raiding FOSS projects while the monks were up to coexistence.

    99. Re:But is it a bad code? by DaFallus · · Score: 1

      > but a lot of the rules do make sense for any community:

      And a lot don't.

      54. Not to speak useless words or words that move to laughter.

      No humor? Wow, talk about sticks in the mud.

      /sarcasm On noes, humor! Quick, that's eeeee-vil !!

      Judging by all of the responses of "if its supposed to be a joke, I don't find it funny", it sounds perfect.

      --
      No one cares what your captcha was

      Houston TX, USA
    100. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I for one want to be on the side of defusing this, what about you?

      Here's what I see:

      In your mind: you are the triumphant hero, maybe in a fancy firefighter suit, jumping into harm's way to put out the fire and rescue kittens and babies... result -> everybody should praise you for your greatness and wish to be just like you!

      In my mind: you are the suicide bomber in a crowd, and if only everybody else would just agree with you, (and maybe give you a hug, if that doesn't trigger you for any reason), then you would be happy to "defuse" the situation so everybody can accept you for the hero you really are... result -> everybody just wants you to grow up or go away.

      It really doesn't matter what I think. Only you can can control what you think, say, or do. When you or anybody else, SJW or not, tries to "lay blame and make claim" for their own emotions, thought, words, or actions on ANY external source, that is absurd and what we would expect of children.

    101. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you f*cking kidding me? We're the reason you even have that thing called "keyboard" to type on.

      You're the roach and parasite here.

    102. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You! You and Coraline Ada and your legion of useless people trigger us!

      We're perfectly happy with his CoC.

    103. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is, the CoC has to be written by a paid SJW consultant, this is a business... I don't think anyone actually takes those seriously, except as a tool of power over their peers (as to take control of various Open Source projects, and diverting the money to SJW causes, like Mozilla and Ubuntu are doing).

    104. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When Coraline Ada is gleefully looking to *lose* kernel contributors the moment Linux's Code of Conflict changed, that's not creating something in good faith... it sounds more like a big troll.

      She didn't even let out a basic PR-level: "I look forward to working with the current developers to break in these new rules together." What *was* said was pretty crass and insulting.

    105. Re:But is it a bad code? by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      They are objecting to the use of a joke when having a CoC is regarded as a somewhat serious issue.

      The top dog of the SQLite project is a devout Christian, and is 100% serious about this being a real CoC. Especially seeing as how it's stood the test of time, 1,500 years and counting. As he said:

      So then, why not use a more modern CoC? I looked at that too, but found the so-called "modern" CoCs to be vapid. They are trendy feel-good statements that do not really get to the heart of the matter in the way the the ancient Rule does. By way of analogy, I view modern CoCs as being like pop music - selling millions of copies today and completely forgotten next year. I prefer something more enduring, like Mozart.

      He also considered "Benjamin Franklin's 13 virtues (http://www.thirteenvirtues.com/) but ended up going with the Instruments of Good Works from St. Benedict's Rule as it provide more examples."

      SQLite not only has a lot of developers

      Lie, it has only a handful for the SQLite system and its extensive test suites, and everyone one of them agreed to this COC.

      but also has conferences and other meet-ups, and sadly from experience people have had problems at those kinds of events in the past.

      Cite the incidents or we'll assume you're lying as much about them as well. Also point out how they're not covered by this CoC.

    106. Re:But is it a bad code? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      I would point out that Mike Pence, a lover of chastity, has been pointed out by both sides now for the wisdom of "I will not have a meal with a woman unless my wife is present" Catholic theology.

      Yes, you can have chastity and still have sex, but you have to be having sex for the purpose of procreation with somebody that you're mated to for life.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    107. Re:But is it a bad code? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Clients loved the rule of St. Benedict, especially after the Daily Bread Shipments from the Emperor stopped. When nobody was doing anything more than subsistence farming and the barbarians were attacking, the monastery fortress was the place to be, it had all the beer.

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    108. Re:But is it a bad code? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Good point. But who ever takes the time to read license agreements even for closed source software?

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    109. Re:But is it a bad code? by mangastudent · · Score: 2

      Would love to see the slightest shred of evidence for any of this, e.g. - SJW thought police organisation

      Ada Initiative. See also Coraline's project to set up a CoC enforcement organization to take that burden off FOSS projects.

      - Getting paid to sit at home looking for wrongthink

      Note how many SJWs are trust fund babies, plus the paid shills of Share Blue etc.

      - Toxic elements of the Contributor's Code of Conduct

      Coraline herself; if you can't see that, you're not living in the same reality as those who've found ourselves on the wrong side of enforcement actions. You can for example ask Rod Vagg or Ted Ts'o about this in practice. See also how CoCs in general are used to purge people like Larry Garfield of Drupal, the history of them tells us to assume bad faith as a default.

    110. Re:But is it a bad code? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      My god, I think you are right, he is serious...

      "your behavior not be in direct conflict with time-tested and centuries-old Christian ethics"

      I'm not going near that project if it means sticking to Christian ethics, I'm not coming down to that level.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    111. Re:But is it a bad code? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      An anonymous source on ESR's blog, really? And despite their attempts to get this person and presumably others, there is no a single example of it actually working. They must be terribly incompetent, considering they have apparently been trying since at least 2015.

      The bit about Linus not having spoken about it is the biggest joke. I know from my anonymous sources that Linus keeps a supply of oregano up his arse, the fact that he hasn't mentioned it is just proof that someone blackmailed him into hiding their stash.

      Also, might want to Google "ad-hominem" and then get back to us.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    112. Re: But is it a bad code? by Millennium · · Score: 1

      The main problem is that it lacks any method of enforcement. There are other parts of the Rule of Saint Benedict that go into this, but SQLite's CoC does not adapt them. In fact, they say outright that they have no intention of enforcing it.

      And yes, that, in and of itself, is enough to make it a bad code. We live in a time and place where our communities are infested with people who game the system to abuse people without facing consequences: abusers who chose our communities precisely because we would not enforce our norms against them. We set out to create a haven from bullying, but inadvertently built a haven for bullies. This was the grand error of geek culture, and we need to correct it.

      Geek culture has always been about purging the bullies. The only difference this time is that instead of being our enemies, the bullies are our friends (well, not really, but they've got us thinking it). Even so, we should not shrink from one of our most closely-held principled: bullies are to be purged. That requires enforcement of social norms, and that is why this code is unsuitable.

    113. Re:But is it a bad code? by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      An anonymous source on ESR's blog, really?

      You asked for "the slightest shred of evidence", but we all know there's no evidence you'd ever accept, you'll just keep moving the goalposts.

    114. Re:But is it a bad code? by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      I'm not going near that project if it means sticking to Christian ethics, I'm not coming down to that level.

      We can be very sure they won't miss you, if for no other reason than that if you're so nasty you can't abide by the spirit of these time tested rules for cohesive and productive communities like the ones FOSS needs, you'd be a net drag on the project.

    115. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a little bitch.

    116. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think this is all hyperbole, just look at the sickening attack by Coraline Ada Ehmke against Ruby's creator when he refused to bend the knee:

      https://twitter.com/coralinead...

      Can you tell me where this concerns Matz? Because I can't find him in that series of tweets.

    117. Re:But is it a bad code? by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

      "I want to avoid causing problems for this person, I'm sure it was an honest mistake, let's diffuse the situation."

      There is no need to summarize (and mischaracterize) two whole sentences. You could have just quoted them without playing games.

      The first sentence "I for one want to be on the side of defusing this, what about you?"

      The second "The last thing I want is to be part of an angry mob running this guy out of his own project."

      It appears to clearly imply failure to "defuse this" is connected to an "angry mob".

      If you disagree what specifically do you think it says? What else would "angry mob" be referring to? What was the point of including that text if the author didn't believe an angry mob was present or possible?

      "LOL SJW bigot mob attacking!!"

      I don't know about "bigot" mob. I never said that.

      My personal view is central failure of SJW ideology is rooted in a profound lack tolerance for beliefs and sensibilities of others.

    118. Re:But is it a bad code? by micahraleigh · · Score: 0

      I try to avoid forking at all costs. It leads to confusion and doing things twice.

      Would you fork a project because you disagree with the religious views of the maintainers ?

    119. Re:But is it a bad code? by nctritech · · Score: 1

      Accent on "clear." The Contributor Covenant is intentionally vague and interpretation is highly subjective, modifiable on-the-fly based upon what others say their feelings are. Clear community guidelines also don't have a bullet-point that says, and I quote, "Other conduct which could reasonably be considered inappropriate in a professional setting." What is reasonable, appropriate, and/or professional varies so wildly between different people, corporate cultures, and cultures in general that such a statement can only exist to open the doors to abuse by bad faith actors.

      It seems like a good idea to include a blanket "...but we might not have thought of everything so here's a vague rule covering those eventualities" when you're dealing exclusively with those acting in good faith, but legal codes are written in legalese instead of vague "be nice, don't be not-nice" statements (like that of any given Code of Conduct) because any subjectivity in the rules that bind a person makes it impossible for them to know that they're breaking rules a priori, requiring that a rule be broken to discover what breaks the rules. Judicial systems must suffer through this because no law can be crafted to cover every possible current and future possibility, but it is extremely undesirable and problematic to intentionally set up the rules this way if you have a need for rules in the first place.

      In other words, if a Code of Conduct is determined to be necessary (only true if bad actors already exist or are very likely to appear) then that determination automatically indicates a Code of Conduct such as the Contributor Covenant is not appropriate and will only shift problems from poor conduct to extensive rules lawyering by the same bad actors the project was trying to avoid, and with vague rules there are a myriad of ways to verbally bend them to fit a particular narrative. Carefully worded by-laws that are concrete and close loopholes of vagueness are the only workable and acceptable solution.

    120. Re:But is it a bad code? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Now that's kinky.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    121. Re:But is it a bad code? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      it may be translated to commit yourself to whatever cause and goal your organisation has.

      Yeah, well.... this will be confusing for people just reading the code, and it may be offputting to people that they weren't explicit in saying "Excluding the references to God, christ, etc, in this code", as it doesn't really say to translate all that stuff.

      When they were choosing to adopt the code, they COULD have also adopted such minor changes and had the changes written in, or at least chosen which rules from the monastic rules that they would remove from the CoC of their project, and cross those out in the document.

    122. Re:But is it a bad code? by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      This isn't just a matter of the religious views of the maintainers. SQLite is controlled by a corporation, and that corporation requires adherence to a religious code in order to contribute patches to what is (in theory) an open source project. It's also used by numerous other projects which probably contribute patches when they need an issue fixed or a new feature. Similar to adopting a non-OSI license, the religious requirements create a barrier that makes it unlikely that outside contributions to the project will be accepted. One or more of those downstream projects will probably be forced to fork SQLite, hopefully they all coalesce around one fork instead of each maintaining their own.

      So no, I don't care what the maintainers believe in their own little heads, but if they require contributors to hold those same beliefs, it's going to cause problems.

      I'd also predict this will put a damper on their revenue. It's all around a bad idea for a for-profit corporation to start proselytizing, if I was their customer (or my company was) I'd certainly drop the contract at the next opportunity.

      --
      The right to protest the State is more sacred than the State.
    123. Re:But is it a bad code? by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      SQLite is controlled by a corporation, and that corporation requires adherence to a religious code in order to contribute patches to what is (in theory) an open source project.

      Open source, absolutely, open contribution, absolutely not:

      But SQLite is not open-contribution. In order to keep SQLite in the public domain and ensure that the code does not become contaminated with proprietary or licensed content, the project does not accept patches from unknown persons. All of the code in SQLite is original, having been written specifically for use by SQLite. No code has been copied from unknown sources on the internet.

      But even if they were open contribution, they make it very clear they only insist your stick to the spirit of the specifics of the code of conduct to be a part of the community. Maybe go to the effort of reading its overview? See also the background story on its adaptation.

      Forking is a poor alternative because they've got extensive test suites that are not open.

      So no, I don't care what the maintainers believe in their own little heads, but if they require contributors to hold those same beliefs, it's going to cause problems.

      "In their own little heads" shows you don't have the slightest bit of grace required to conform to the spirit of this 1,500 years tested "Code of Conduct", and but it will only cause problems in your mind, they most certainly can do without your non-existent to date contributions to the community. In that, it's functioning as useful filter to keep griefers like yourself away from the project.

      I'd also predict this will put a damper on their revenue.

      As the KJV puts in in Mark 8:36:

      For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

      There's no more widely used piece of FOSS in existence, I'm sure there quite willing to take the very small hit they're going to get from intolerant bigots who will stop paying them money because they're Christian. Which would have happened anyway sooner or later, whether or not they'd adopted this code.

      It's all around a bad idea for a for-profit corporation to start proselytizing,

      And why is this?

      if I was their customer (or my company was) I'd certainly drop the contract at the next opportunity.

      Empty words from someone who was never going to be one of their customers.

    124. Re: But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dante puts mi6 people like you Ami , into the deepest part of Hell.
      Surely Christian should sound menacing to you.

    125. Re:But is it a bad code? by jdschulteis · · Score: 1

      39. Be not a grumbler.

      40. Be not a detractor.

      Just those two make a very good start. Also see the FidoNet rules:

      Don't be excessively annoying.

      Don't be easily annoyed.

    126. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your handle "Tough Love" is highly offensive to me, for reasons I cannot go into without fear for my health.

      You should take much more care before creating handles that can cause harm to others.

      Where can I report it or otherwise have you change it?

    127. Re:But is it a bad code? by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      I read the whole code of conduct page (how else do you think I quoted it?). But I was unaware of SQLite's unique structure. If they don't accept contributions then I'm not sure why they would need a code of conduct.

      As for why a for-profit corporation shouldn't start promoting religious dogma, the reason is that anyone who doesn't agree with their particular religious branch won't buy their product. I'm atheist, so I try to avoid giving any of my money to any organization that promotes any religion.

      Don't be so sure I wouldn't have been one of their customers, I'm the lead architect at a company that uses open source software extensively (in fact I don't allow closed source software unless it's part of the AWS stack). We don't use SQLite.

      --
      The right to protest the State is more sacred than the State.
    128. Re:But is it a bad code? by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      As for why a for-profit corporation shouldn't start promoting religious dogma, the reason is that anyone who doesn't agree with their particular religious branch won't buy their product. I'm atheist bigot, so I'm sure everyone else is like me.

      FIFY.

      This might surprise you, but outside your bubble there are plenty of tolerant people, even atheists, which you would have learned if you're read enough of the second link I provided (you read little or nothing of it, or else you'd know why they felt compelled to adopt one, customers were starting to implicitly demand one).

      And I repeat: I'm sure they're quite willing to take the very small hit they're going to get from intolerant bigots who will stop paying them money because they're Christian. Which would have happened anyway sooner or later, whether or not they'd adopted this code.

      Because they way this is going down, simply being devoutly Christian is enough for your side to declare people to be beyond the pale.

    129. Re:But is it a bad code? by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      You can be as devoutly Christian as you want so long as you don't force it on others.

      --
      The right to protest the State is more sacred than the State.
    130. Re:But is it a bad code? by andymadigan · · Score: 1

      Let me revise my previous:

      You can be as devoutly Christian as you want, but if you're going to use my money to try to spread your religion, I'd rather keep it in my pocket.

      --
      The right to protest the State is more sacred than the State.
    131. Re:But is it a bad code? by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      I read the whole code of conduct page

      I'm atheist, so I try to avoid giving any of my money to any organization that promotes any religion.

      You can be as devoutly Christian as you want so long as you don't force it on others.

      At least one of these three statements is a lie.

    132. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting paid to sit at home looking for wrongthink

      This one's easy. Just looking at your posting history and the timestamps makes it's pretty obvious that posting this shit here must be your full time job.

    133. Re:But is it a bad code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're welcome to try.

  5. Be not Lazy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But I'm a Perl programmer. That's one of our virtues!

    1. Re:Be not Lazy? by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Funny

      I specialize in automation. I do a lot of work trying to be lazy!

      --
      You do not have a moral or legal right to do absolutely anything you want.
  6. Makes sense by dhuv · · Score: 0

    It may seem funny or a joke (even if it is) but when you break down all CoC documents, they are asking others to be kind and do the morally correct thing. I guess there will always be a couple of people who are offended.

    If they, on the other hand, asked people to belittle others and generally be jackasses that would be terrible. Even if this is a joke, its nothing to get upset over.

    1. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may seem funny or a joke (even if it is) but when you break down all CoC documents, they are asking others to be kind and do the morally correct thing. I guess there will always be a couple of people who are offended.

      If they, on the other hand, asked people to belittle others and generally be jackasses that would be terrible. Even if this is a joke, its nothing to get upset over.

      What defines moral these days?

    2. Re:Makes sense by L_R_Shaw · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > when you break down all CoC documents, they are asking others to be kind and do the morally correct thing.

      LOL

      The entire point of these SJW attacks on open source projects is to use weaponized CoCs to hijack the project and kick and publicly humiliate their ideological enemies.

      node.js
      Drupal
      Opal
      FreeBSD
      Linux

      All these above projects have been attacked and infiltrated by SJW mobs using weaponized CoCs to attack innocent project members for nothing more than wrongthink.

      In one form or another each of these projects had weaponized CoCs rammed down the community's throats where the sickening Progressive Stack was enshrined as a fundamental precept of the project. In other words, establishing that the project is comprised of oppressors and victims and the CoC only applies to oppressors - in other words white, male, and or conservative. Toxic behavior by anyone in a 'protected class' aka 'victim class' is ignored or even encouraged.

      It took only TWO DAYS for the attacks on innocent Linux developers from the time the toxic CoC was forced on the community.

      Its 2018, it is time to stop these silly and dangerous claims about CoCs being these innocent little documents that 'just tell people to be nice to each other'.

    3. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What ever tickles your dongle... Or is it dingle? Is your front hole an inny or an outty?

    4. Re:Makes sense by lactose99 · · Score: 1

      The entire point of these SJW attacks on open source projects is to use weaponized CoCs to hijack the project and kick and publicly humiliate their ideological enemies.

      No doubt devised by the MJ12 and the gay frog lizard-people that rule from the center of the earth.

      --
      Fully licensed blockchain psychiatrist
    5. Re:Makes sense by L_R_Shaw · · Score: 1

      Welcome to 2018.

      The days of pulling the "Everyone I disagree with is an alt-right manbaby facist nazi sexist homophobe" are long gone.

      People can and have seen for themselves the attacks on innocent open source developers:

      https://github.com/opal/opal/i...

      Dumb, lactose99, very, very dumb.

    6. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The perforation of your sigmoid colon. Greater asshole devastation, more moral. Don't even talk to me until you've got at least early-stage colon cancer, homophobe scum.

    7. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > No doubt devised by the MJ12 and the gay frog lizard-people that rule from the center of the earth.

      Post of the thread! :)

    8. Re:Makes sense by L_R_Shaw · · Score: 1

      lactose99 responding to yourself is pathetic.

    9. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best thing to do is just avoid open source. That shit is toxic as hell.

    10. Re:Makes sense by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      weaponized CoCs rammed down the [...] throats

      Not sure if grievance or sex fantasy.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    11. Re:Makes sense by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      weaponized CoCs rammed down the [...] throats

      Not sure if grievance or sex fantasy.

      So you have fantasies about having things rammed down your throat ?

      I suppose it goes well with your pedophilia.

    12. Re:Makes sense by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Wow you've really got obsessed over me. I guess it's kind of flattering but your projections reveal rather deep seated issues of yours.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    13. Re:Makes sense by Megol · · Score: 1

      No,pulling the "You are obviously a conspiracy theorist". Your response just made that more likely, indicating that you consider any opposition of your pet theory a political attack.

      My impression is that you are a bit nuts. But then who isn't?

    14. Re:Makes sense by Megol · · Score: 1

      Projecting much?

    15. Re:Makes sense by L_R_Shaw · · Score: 1

      No one gives a shit.

    16. Re:Makes sense by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Yeah magic of time travel

      I mean it isn't like I was posting in this thread before you ?

      Oh wait I was.

  7. If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that tells you more about them than about the joke. Congrats to SQLite. That's one project that "gets it". Anyone who thinks that "this sort of stunt will make actual code of conduct discussions harder" hasn't even got the message (which coincidentally is one data point in favor of using more direct language...)

    1. Re:If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 0

      Great Joke.

    2. Re:If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You tell 'em! Incels will not be marginalized by some stupid CoC!

    3. Re:If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a great joke.

    4. Re:If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On that CoC I would have at least changed the God to Code and Christ to Process, however. Otherwise there is nothing wrong with it.

    5. Re:If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Humor is the subversion of expectation.

      There are a lot of words you can use to express your disapproval of a joke. "Not funny"/"How is that funny??" is a mistake of those too imprecise to express such.

      It's quite easy to mechanically explain "how funny". Even the parent post has obviously subverted a common beverage dialogue. There also happen to be offensive rape circumstances present at the same time. These do not change how the punchline works mechanically.

      GP post probably had different thoughts than me, but it's true that hearing THIS ISN'T FUNNY is a flag that screams something's a'gwan.

    6. Re:If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If someone tells a joke and the masses don't like it, I like it already.The masses are asses after all.

    7. Re:If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 1

      Your mom's pussy is a great joke. Kind of like a giant GREAT cave! Vast! God she has a big pussy....God she has a big pussy! (No, I didn't say that twice). Tell your mom to stop using 2-liter bottles as dildos! Oh, and you stop it too! Nobody wants to see your Goatse!

    8. Re:If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your mom's pussy is a great joke.

      The only pussy you've ever seen was goatsecx.

    9. Re:If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 1

      If you think goatse.cx is a pussy then I' think it is pretty clear who has never seen a pussy. Stop jerking off to gay assholes. That's not a pussy. Women have pussies. Shit doesn't come out of pussies. I suggest perhaps you review some basic anatomy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    10. Re:If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its the closest thing to a pussy that you've ever had pedo boy.

    11. Re:If someone tells you that a joke is not funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This sort of stunt will make actual code of conduct discussions harder. It's not funny, helpful, or wise."

      It IS funny, and helpful in exposing the ulterior motives of the 'reformers.'

      Wise? Hard to say... but actual code of conduct discussions should be harder.

  8. Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sort of thing upsets exactly the right people, and I say that as an ardent atheist.

  9. A useful shibboleth by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This seems like a useful shibboleth. Anyone who's whining about this online is the kind of prat you probably don't want anywhere near your project. I think the first example is especially illustrative:

    So is the SQLite CoC thing a joke or not? If it's not a joke, f*ck this. If it is a joke, that's even worse.

    Here's the type of person that is likely to go out of their way to take umbrage over something relatively minor. The kind of person who's happy to shove a CoC down your throat as long its theirs, but will scream about having to follow some other set of rules that they don't like.

    1. Re:A useful shibboleth by SinGunner · · Score: 2

      Without knowing what "shibboleth" means, I'd know I agree with you. Similarly, without knowing whether the CoC is a joke or not, I know I'd hate working with the person who made that comment.

    2. Re:A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you know, there might be folks who are happy to follow a CoC that makes sense in terms of building a welcoming and open community, but question one that includes things like "to be in dread of hell" and "to keep death daily before one's eyes" which really don't make sense in the present context. That's a possibility that you don't appear to have considered.

      Sorry to be such a downer. If it's any consolation, I had a good chuckle at the joke of plugging in a monastic code as a CoC. Again, it's not really an either/or proposition: it's possible to see the humour in it and also see how some folks might find it offensive, since it makes light of something they really care about.

    3. Re:A useful shibboleth by mopower70 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A million upvotes to that truth bomb. I think the message is clear: the kind of people that need a CoC are the kind of people no one wants to work with.

    4. Re:A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      building a welcoming and open community

      weasel words

    5. Re:A useful shibboleth by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Informative

      Shibboleths are things that are useful for identifying distinct groups of people. A good example is the bar scene in the Tarantino film Inglorious Bastards. One of the characters is an Englishman pretending to be a German Officer and he does an okay job, especially given the tense situation and everyone is fooled. However, the hand gesture he makes when ordering drinks is improper and immediately betrays him as a spy.

      The word itself comes from an old Hebrew word that has an unrelated meaning to the present use, which springs from a Biblical story, where the word "Shibboleth" was used as a modern shibboleth because it was pronounced differently between two warring groups and could be used to tell if a person was a foe attempting to pass themselves off as a friend. There are plenty of other examples of this being employed throughout history. For example, if you're traveling in warn torn parts of the Middle East, you may want to memorize a few passages from the Quran as that's a common shibboleth used by militants to determine if someone is actually a Muslim since it's often impossible to know based on appearance alone.

    6. Re:A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A "shibboleth" is a clue that is non-obvious to outsiders but allows insiders to easily tell who's an outsider.

    7. Re: A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are the two lines that you can't figure out? In a programming context?

      Hell... Spaghetti code. Magic numbers. Unnecessarily brief code.

      Death... Memory leaks. Expect your threads to die and help them do so in a predictable, reproducible and planned fashion.

    8. Re:A useful shibboleth by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      The origins of "shibboleth" are Biblical and go back to Old Testament times. To make a long story short, enemy foreigners couldn't pronounce "sh", so anyone stopped at the border was asked to say "shibboleth". People who pronounced it "sibboleth" were put to death as an enemy spies. Since then, a shibboleth has come to simply mean anything that can be used to distinguish between two groups of people, be it a code word, belief, or practice.

      And, as always, there's an obligatory xkcd on the issue: https://www.xkcd.com/806/

      In a fun case of fiction becoming fact, a number of systems have actually added the code word mentioned in that xkcd strip.

    9. Re:A useful shibboleth by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      the kind of people that need a CoC are the kind of people no one wants to work with.

      Amen to that!

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      bickerdyke
    10. Re:A useful shibboleth by rl117 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With a few exceptions, every single project I've worked in over the course of two decades has been open and welcoming. No code of conduct was required or even on the radar. Do you know what we did if there was an incidence of bad behaviour? We sent them a private email asking them to stop. And if they continued, we sent a more strongly-worded email. And if it still continued we kicked them off the list. It worked. I can count the number of incidents like this across several dozen projects on one hand. They were a rarity. The vast majority of people you encounter are thoroughly decent. We join projects to collaborate on things of mutual interest with like-minded people, and do productive work, and maybe have some fun as well. If there are people who require a CoC to keep their behaviour in check, then these are the sort of people who you don't want on your project to begin with. They aren't going to result in increased productivity, and they will sap the fun out of it as well. You don't need an SJW CoC to curb bad behaviour.

    11. Re:A useful shibboleth by lactose99 · · Score: 1

      Boom!

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      Fully licensed blockchain psychiatrist
    12. Re:A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TRUTH! If only there was some kind of agreed upon way that reasonable people will conduct themselves so that those kinds that need a CoC can be shown the door. Maybe some sort of code. Oh well. Back to insulting patch submitters for not reading my mind.

    13. Re:A useful shibboleth by SinGunner · · Score: 1

      I'd say "thanks", but I'd said "I'd". I was drawing a parallel using a hypothetical. You have failed the shibboleth of reading comprehension. ;)

    14. Re:A useful shibboleth by nctritech · · Score: 1

      Codes of Conduct are only "required" if you have a sudden influx of intolerable people...such as the ones that show up screeching for a "Code of Conduct." Everyone else that's already involved in an established project capable of being (or at least emulating which is plenty good enough) some sort of a socially capable without someone else providing a scroll of vague platitudes with concrete punishment requirements that can be exploited to oust wrong-thinkers for the most minor and forgivable of transgressions.

    15. Re:A useful shibboleth by gman003 · · Score: 0

      Odd, having read the comments here, I was going to say almost the exact same thing, just from the other direction. It seems like having a CoC, even an empty one that does nothing, should be a very useful way to weed out idiots who don't want to learn how to interact with other humans in a mature, professional manner.

    16. Re:A useful shibboleth by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      With a few exceptions, every single project I've worked in over the course of two decades has been open and welcoming.

      Not sure what "with a few exceptions, every single project" means. Anyway there are notable exceptions. If your project starts making headlines in the mainstream news for being dysfunctional then clearly something needs to be done. It is not a question of whether, but what.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    17. Re:A useful shibboleth by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Codes of Conduct are only "required" if you have a sudden influx of intolerable people...such as the ones that show up screeching for a "Code of Conduct."

      Not sure what picture you are trying to paint, but in every case that I know of, code of conduct was introduced by long term project members following discussions amongst long term project members. If you have an example where "intolerable people" demanded and got a code of conduct forced upon a project, could you please provide the link.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    18. Re:A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This seems like a useful shibboleth. Anyone who's whining about this online is the kind of prat you probably don't want anywhere near your project. I think the first example is especially illustrative:

      So is the SQLite CoC thing a joke or not? If it's not a joke, f*ck this. If it is a joke, that's even worse.

      Here's the type of person that is likely to go out of their way to take umbrage over something relatively minor. The kind of person who's happy to shove a CoC down your throat as long its theirs, but will scream about having to follow some other set of rules that they don't like.

      The real problem is that he broke the CoC with his depraved speech. Though we must forgive.

    19. Re:A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try reading comprehension sometime, you didn't read that post. You seem rather desperate when you miss things because the SJW is projectile vomiting too fast.

    20. Re:A useful shibboleth by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      So you don't have any actual argument or evidence, only invective.

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      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    21. Re:A useful shibboleth by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      the kind of people that need a CoC are the kind of people no one wants to work with.

      You blog (set as your "homepage" link) is titled "Observations From a Nearly Perfect Life". I'm guessing that you have never been in a position where a code of conduct may have helped you.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    22. Re:A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, because all that an SJW CoC is is a documented record of the process you just described. Which makes is less prone to be abused by making it up as you go along.

    23. Re:A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A million upvotes to that truth bomb. I think the message is clear: the kind of people that need a CoC are the kind of people no one wants to work with.

      As the Doctor once said: "Good people don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many."

      My take - the kind of people who would benefit from a code of conduct are the kind of people you interact with every fsck()ing day.

    24. Re:A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no redemption for those going against the SJWs.

    25. Re:A useful shibboleth by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Neither do I, but if you pronounce it wrong, you are dead.

      https://www.biblegateway.com/p...

      As always, the brick testament does it better:

      http://www.thebricktestament.c...

      --
      I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
    26. Re:A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need an SJW CoC to curb bad behaviour.

      A SJW CoC is a warning sign that SJWs have invaded the project and that it's time to stop contributing and participating and look for another project to work on.

  10. I think this is exactly the thing to do by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wikipedia says about Chapter 4 "These are essentially the duties of every Christian and are mainly Scriptural either in letter or in spirit." This nicely points out that a CoC has nothing to do with the actual work being done and is all about some people wanting to control the forms of interaction allowed, impose the duty to follow some meaningless rituals, universally to the detriment of the project.

    --
    Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    1. Re:I think this is exactly the thing to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wikipedia says about Chapter 4 "These are essentially the duties of every Christian and are mainly Scriptural either in letter or in spirit." This nicely points out that a CoC has nothing to do with the actual work being done and is all about some people wanting to control the forms of interaction allowed, impose the duty to follow some meaningless rituals, universally to the detriment of the project.

      These "meaningless rituals" have allowed for self-contained, self-sufficient communities to exist for 1500 years:

      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Cassino
      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Saint_Benedict

      They're doing something right.

      We should be so lucky that our little part of civilization will last over a millennia. Don't be so foolish as to throw away the past completely just because you think it is 'outdated'.

    2. Re:I think this is exactly the thing to do by gweihir · · Score: 1

      If you want long-term stability and do not care what it costs, then they are doing something right. However, long-term stability, and keeping everything boring and slow is about the last thing you want in a tech project.

      --
      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    3. Re:I think this is exactly the thing to do by mangastudent · · Score: 2

      However, long-term stability, and keeping everything boring and slow is about the last thing you want in a tech project.

      A tech project like a database?

      "Move fast and break things" doesn't work for a whole lot of the kinds of data people store in them. (Does actually work for a lot of modern spying on people to sell advertising functions, though, like location data.) GitHub's customers have not been having a boring time in the last little while....

    4. Re:I think this is exactly the thing to do by gweihir · · Score: 1

      A slow, inflexible database, no. Something that is pretty good and does innovate and try out new and better things, yes. Database systems are anything but simple.

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      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    5. Re:I think this is exactly the thing to do by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Oh, and because I think you missed that somehow: Of course SQLite is making a political statement here. It does actually not matter what would work for them, they are making a statement about what they do and do not want.

      --
      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
    6. Re:I think this is exactly the thing to do by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      A slow, inflexible database, no.

      Maybe....

      But in case I wasn't clear when I invoked "Move fast and break things", I'm talking about process, the process by which a body of software like a database is developed, more than the result that people use. Except that I believe both are intimately connected, a bad process is less likely to produce quality software, a sufficiently bad process will not, absent heroic efforts by individuals that tend to be unsustainable.

      And taking a step back, into something that's now on my todo list to research, creating a set of rules etc. for a monastic order born in the death throes of the Roman empire, that's endured for 1,500 years and formed a model for many other codes, it not simple, for human nature is anything but simple.

  11. The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by L_R_Shaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    https://twitter.com/brionv/sta...

    SJWs cannot abide mockery because it is a threat to their own self anointed moral authority.

    1. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by lgw · · Score: 4, Funny

      SJWs cannot abide mockery because it is a threat to their own self anointed moral authority.

      A religious war? In a tech community? Never heard of such a thing, which is why Captain Kirk using EMACS would be way better than Picard using VI!

      Or is the complaint that the monks indented with tabs?

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    2. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh dear you found us out.

      We'll never replace you white male programmers at this rate! Curses!

    3. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Funny

      I mean Spock would use Vi, the guy goes around flashing V's with his hand for christ's sake.

    4. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      A religious war? In a tech community? Never heard of such a thing, which is why Captain Kirk using EMACS would be way better than Picard using VI!

      Or is the complaint that the monks indented with tabs?

      Darth Vader proudly uses pico. That is all.

      --
      Quo usque tandem abutere, Nimbus, patientia nostra?
    5. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by gerald.edward.butler · · Score: 1, Funny

      No. Because you keep pissing off us white males who used to be supportive of you and all minorities to the point where, "FUCK YOU. YOU ARE MY ENEMY! I WILL SEE YOU IN HELL!" I make it my mission in life to have you put in a hole and lye dumped over your rotting corpse. The camps are coming. You thought the Nazi's were bad? You ain't seen shit. It's coming!

    6. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by pegdhcp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think what SJWs do not realise is that they are religious bigots, even while not adhering any religion. They believe not just in their righteousness but also evil in anybody even with a slightly different set of ideals.

    7. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell yeah! MAGA!

    8. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ANY ideology taken to an extreme is (idiotic) fundamentalism.

      --
      cult, noun, any group of people who believe their (self appointed) way is the ONLY way.

    9. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dr. Smith uses Edlin.

    10. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by pegdhcp · · Score: 2

      A nicer and shorter summary. I guess people are trying to build their identity on ideologies :( It is a pity...

    11. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      SJW is the mature adult's derogatory term for emotional children who think feigning offense gives them the right to tell others how to behave.

    12. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by WaffleMonster · · Score: 2, Informative

      SJW is the abusive narcissist's derogatory term for "person stands on the side of decency."

      SJW is a mental disease.

    13. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you keep pissing off us white males who used to be supportive of you

      "Look what you made me do!" — says every sociopath

    14. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Sique · · Score: 0, Troll
      ... which is by itself bigottery: Doing as if a) everyone who thinks that people could get along if not everyone would live out his particular idiosyncrasies all the time is an SJW. b) that all SJWs are the same c) that they are all righteous and evil against everyone else and d) you thus have that god-given right to call them out and feel superiour to them because you have a different set of ideals.

      Sorry, snowflake. Sometimes it's not the SJWs. Sometimes it's just you being a stubborn asshole.

      --
      .sig: Sique *sigh*
    15. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Tough+Love · · Score: 0, Troll

      SJW is the abusive narcissist's derogatory term for "person stands on the side of decency making me look bad so I must retaliate to avoid confronting my own inner demons"

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    16. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I don't know who that faggot is but he is definitely not meeting his white knight quota and getting sex from this m'lady defending.

    17. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a truly abusive narcissist. Well done!

    18. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Voice+of+satan · · Score: 2

      Thank you for posting this. Notice the bright white knight taking a joke about a centuries old text at face value. Really the kind of help you need in the Open Source community. Aren't you terrified this kind of genius could feel unwelcomed as a Linux kernel contributor ?

      That was hilarous.

    19. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      SJW is a mentality that relies on controlling others' behavior through whining, screaming, made up offense, and an utter lack of logic or thinking. It is truly a mental disease, tilting at nonexistent windmills and harming vast numbers of people and projects in its unending mission to screw things up beyond repair. It is the refuge of the weak mind, of the talentless, of the professional victim who lacks even a shred of personal responsibility for their own actions because every single thing they do is right and holy to them and must not, cannot be questioned.

      They need serious mental help but however they get it, they need to get it somewhere out of the way of people who actually do useful things.

    20. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      The narcissist's playbook is standard, one edict is "always accuse others of possessing your own undesirable attributes". This is done in order to help maintain the narcissists fictitious idealized image they have created of themselves.

      Quoting further from that rather well written article, "an idealized self-image, which they project in order to avoid feeling (and being seen as) the real, disenfranchised, wounded self." It goes on. Not something that a narcissist would be at all comfortable reading. And if that is you, then just don't bother reading it. The consensus opinion is, there is no cure. However, control is possible so that there is such a thing as a functional narcissist who learns to behave according to societal norms, even if it is just an act.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    21. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darth Vader proudly uses pico. That is all.

      Londo Mollari uses Atom.

    22. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Tough+Love · · Score: 0

      SJW is the abusive narcissist's derogatory term for "person who stands on the side of decency."

      And if a narcissist happens to have mod points, they will abuse the moderation system in this way. It is just part of maintaining that fictitious self image.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    23. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by sconeu · · Score: 4, Funny

      SJWs cannot abide mockery because it is a threat to their own self anointed moral authority.

      Q: How many SJWs does it take to change a lightbulb?
      A: THAT'S NOT FUNNY!

      --
      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    24. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Tough+Love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Doesn't your post exhibit essentially all the attributes that you ascribe to the mythical "SJW"?

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    25. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a time when posters on /. were not complaining in every thread over SJW's -- how I miss those times before 4chan & Infowars took over this place.

    26. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mongo like Wordpad!

    27. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Right, they were posting about pouring hot grits down their pants instead.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    28. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I would have thought Vader would just wave his hand, and the characters would obey! Why the heck would he need to instantiate a process?!

    29. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, snowflake, you're missing the point.

      When you restrict free communities with CoCs that or derived from rigid and extremely partisan perspectives, you necessarily limit freedom _and_ reduce overall diversity of thought. You empower the few partisans with policy control over the entire community. This is a fact.

      So, sure, his rhetoric and bravado was absolutely just as bigoted as any SJW, but his conclusions were not.

    30. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conservative snowflakes cannot abide mockery because it is a threat to their own self anointed moral authority.

    31. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      SJW is the abusive narcissist's derogatory term for "person stands on the side of decency making me look bad so I must retaliate to avoid confronting my own inner demons"

      I'm not convinced they're moral enough to be defending a misplaced sense of decency. Maybe they're just assholes, and they know they're on the internet??

      I always assume they're the same people who, face-to-face, say shit like, "I'll bet you're fun at parties."

    32. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Well, he didn't scream, he only blathered. So he didn't quite get all of them.

    33. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      And sexually harassing Mae Ling Mak, I would add.

    34. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Z80a · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unlike some far right people might define, SJW is used by most people meaning a far left fanatic individual that will try by any means to force people to follow their increasingly absurd laws.
      You can't have a "good SJW", because by definition is someone with quite evil or warped intents.
      But it's quite easy to find the sane people in this mess. Just find the person being called a nazi by the far left and a SJW by the far right.

    35. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://twitter.com/brionv/sta...

      SJWs cannot abide mockery because it is a threat to their own self anointed moral authority.

      JFC, this trash is low even for /.

    36. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think what SJWs do not realise is that they are religious bigots, even while not adhering any religion. They believe not just in their righteousness but also evil in anybody even with a slightly different set of ideals.

      So don't play with them, snowflake. How hard is it for you to do that? Just turn your internet off and watch all your "SWJ" problems go away.

      I think everyone is a little tired of reading "SJW" this and "SWJ" that, with no evidence that "SJW" is anything other than a boogeyman that sneaks up on young men attracted to bizzare fringe social issues for reasons I cannot fucking describe if I tried, but whatever if that's your thing.

      Crawl into your little safe space and play a video game or something, and quit wasting electrons on /. please.

    37. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a taste of the world when you turn away from religion. A devolved uncivil behaviour.

    38. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What evidence you need, ask Damore or Brendan Eich. Or Linus for that matter.

      Next time the SJW gang comes to raid your project what will you do?

      Oh wait you are a prole white knight without anything you own or create, so you can ignore the raiders.

    39. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by sjames · · Score: 1

      Could we get back to that? It was terribly silly but it was harmless.

    40. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      SJW is the abusive narcissist's derogatory term for "person stands on the side of decency."

      Correct me if I am wrong, but don't most SJWs self-identify as SJW?

      --
      I'm a minority race. Save your vitriol for white people.
    41. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler was very, very certain he was standing on the side of decency.

    42. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by astrofurter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. He didn't try to use the coercive power of big capital and/or the state to force you to obey a bunch of rules he has no intention of obeying himself.

    43. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the poster boy for abusive narcissism...

    44. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you an incel?

    45. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Yes, someone objecting against getting a religion rammed down their throat, how horribly SJW.

      Why don't you fuck off to Raqqa if you like theocracies so much?

      --
      "I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
    46. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he plans to bare false witness. It is the primary weapon of SJWs. Or maybe he just buys into that kind of narrative without using those tactics. ...Either way he completely missed the fine print saying that they're okay with developers skipping over the religious bits and their promise to amend the document should a non-Christian join the core team.

    47. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or is the complaint that the monks indented with tabs?

      Python uses spaces and we all know not to trust snakes.

    48. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A small handfull do but most say that there is no such thing (see above) so they can get in position to betray you.

    49. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      You're mistaken as it happens. You see, "SJW" is a meaningless phrase incessantly screeched by idiots who can't stand free speech if it means they might get criticised. A few people ironically adopt it as a label because that makes the said screechers really furious, sad and confused and that's just pretty funny!

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    50. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you considered building a wall between the USA and California?

    51. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      More interesting is that a couple of mildly annoyed tweets, mostly concerned that there isn't a real CoC and tha this might undermine the SQLite project, has blown up into a giant shit-storm in the meta-outrage community.

      In this very thread we have people ranting about SJWs trying to destroy everything, about how they are the most disgusting religious bigots and racists etc. The meta-outrage is 100 more than the actual outrage. It's like XML but for hurt feelings.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    52. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There seem to be some people here who religiously believe in a being that scares the hell out of them called a "SJW".

    53. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love how Vibber thinks a looae code of conduct means no rules apply to the dev team. It's like he completely forgot about the law.

    54. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think what SJWs do not realise is that they are religious bigots, even while not adhering any religion.

      Why are they not adhering to a religion? Why is their Social Justice stance not a religion on itself? If you define religion as a set of moral rules that fall outside the scope of natural rules, then social justice is as much a religion as Christianity (or Communism, or Capitalism). Communism has its dogmas, has its prophets and even had forms of excommunication (some more brutal than others). Sure, its a non-theistic religion, but it can be defined as a religion nonetheless. If you accept this definition of religion, the current form of social justice is as much a religion as many others. And a pretty toxic one at that for the most part...

    55. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sane? You mean like Clifford Herrington or Brianna Wu?

    56. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by houghi · · Score: 1

      Waitaminut. That is no editor!

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    57. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No SJW is a derogatory term for a person who spends their free time looking for things to be offended about.

    58. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are people listening to sjws.

      Bring back the meritocracy. Ignore the fakers and continue forward.

      All sjws are faking life. Don't hire them. Don't interact with them. Let them die out since they cannot breed naturally and perhaps society won't need to collapse.

    59. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Cederic · · Score: 1

      a couple of mildly annoyed tweets, mostly concerned that there isn't a real CoC and tha this might undermine the SQLite project

      There is a real CoC. It seems very comprehensive but also very understanding and tolerant. Admittedly were I to wish to contribute to development I'd be seeking an explicit confirmation that I can skip the religious bits but the rest seems to cover the bases.

      What's wrong with it and why the fuck would it undermine the project?

    60. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yeah keep telling yourself that. Absolute tone deaf.

      See ya scratching your head in 2020.

    61. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't feel it, do you? The wind is turning against your kind. Decent people are afraid of you and your fear-mongering tactics. They want a science-based, open-dialogue, innocent-until-proven-guilty approach to society.

    62. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 3, Funny

      SJWs cannot abide mockery because it is a threat to their own self anointed moral authority.

      Q: How many SJWs does it take to change a lightbulb?
      A: THAT'S NOT FUNNY!

      Does the lightbulb consent to the change? HOW DO YOU KNOW IT IDENTIFIES AS A LIGHTBULB??!

      --
      Redundancy is good And also good.
    63. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only in USA/West

    64. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somehow your sentence missed a crucial bit:

      But it's quite easy to find the INsane people in this mess. Just find the person being called a nazi by the far left and a SJW by the far right.

      There you go, fixed it

    65. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The only time I've ever heard anyone called themselves an SJW, it was to get a rise out of illiberal assholes. And as SJWs don't actually exist (SJWs are defined exclusively by critics of Feminism, Anti-racism, Anti-homophobia advocates, etc, who have created such a massive strawman that it can't exist because of the huge number of contradictions in the definition and the problem that no human would ever form that set of opinions), the answer to your question is no.

      --
      You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
    66. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You! You are the religion!

    67. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, my bad. *ahem*

      NPC. :^|

    68. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... which is by itself bigottery: Doing as if a) everyone who thinks that people could get along if not everyone would live out his particular idiosyncrasies all the time is an SJW. b) that all SJWs are the same c) that they are all righteous and evil against everyone else and d) you thus have that god-given right to call them out and feel superiour to them because you have a different set of ideals.

      Sorry, snowflake. Sometimes it's not the SJWs. Sometimes it's just you being a stubborn asshole.

      Ah no. As a libertarian, the SJWs and religious nuts can just not presume they have some moral superiority over me when they proceed to tell me what I must do or don't do. Whatever else they do I don't care. Whatever floats their boats. Live and let live.

    69. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can feel how hard you are pressing the keys on your keyboard, kid.

    70. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit... You're right!

      Racism is awesome!

      Idiot.

    71. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feh. Captain Sicko uses VS Code on Arch.

      That's why he's the best captain.

      But I still think the Django Code of Conduct is pretty good for a technical project, almost as good as dmb's interpretation of SQLight's "CoC" (however you pronounce it) above.

      These

      1. Do not favor, call out or excoriate specific groups based on irrelevant criteria like race, sex, gender, religion or creed
      2. Uses technical Roles for actors that anyone could perform at any given time such as developer, customer, manager, contributor
      3. Avoids talking about things that are not related to software development (no Solving Hunger in Uganda clause)
      4. Avoids talking about things that are not related to the project (no bashing VI in the EMACS CoC and vice versa.)
      5. Does not create punishments beyond banning
      6. Focuses on encouragement

      The first combined with the last two make for powerful anti-power-tripper effects. You can call them SJWs today, absolutists or even temperance movement leaders back in the 1920s in the USA. These are dangerous people who you want to emasculate as much and as soon as possible. Otherwise they will do anything and everything to ensure the Perfect World they envision comes about, even if it is an impossible fiction that requires mile-high piles of dead bodies or mile-long unemployment lines.

    72. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nice e-diagnosis.

    73. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      You apparently like it or you would stfu and leave.

    74. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      LOL that was pretty good. And on point.

    75. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You grab the pitchforks, Iâ(TM)ll go get the burning torches....

    76. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No worries, the Day of the Rope approaches....

    77. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kylo Ren uses notepad.

    78. Re:The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? You don't say? Just like a religion.

    79. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's obvious:it will make loving caring and mentally stable Caroline Ada Ehmke unable to contribute to SQLite! What a loss surely they now go under.

    80. Re: The SJWs Are Already Attacking The Project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Ami is a paid mi6 collaborant. Those Anglican types do not care about religion as a rule. A typical British cultural thing.

  12. The text... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.gutenberg.org/files/50040/50040-h/50040-h.html#chapter-4-nl-what-are-the-instruments-of-good-works

    I'd paste but slashdot wants more text per line and I'll be arsed to do it

  13. Hahahahahahahahahaha hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is fucking hilarious.

  14. "If it's not a joke, f*ck this." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's not a joke, f*ck this.

    Hmm.

    You might be the one to say that - if you're the uptight crybully WHO IS BEING MOCKED.

    So, with all due respect (that is, none at all)...

    GFY

    1. Re:"If it's not a joke, f*ck this." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This

  15. wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is so cool and badass, although they need to write the new code in gothic letters.

  16. CoCs are religious documents by rl117 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SJWs are religious. Marxism is their religion, and intersectionality their tenets of faith. They believe in righteousness, sin, and punishment of unbelievers and transgressors (anyone who criticises any aspect of SJW beliefs, including their own). It goes without saying that the beliefs and their behaviour are thoroughly toxic nonsense, which is what makes them so dangerous. So given the choice between an SJW CoC and this set of fairly sensible (albeit religious) rules about living life as a good thoughtful and compassionate person, I think I'd rather be judged by the Benedictines than blue-haired SJW harridans and their enablers. At least the Benedictines allow for the forgiveness of sins and loving their enemies. SJWs don't believe in that sort of compassion, preferring to act like a pack of hyenas around anyone who shows weakness, failing Rule 64 (Hate no one) and a good number of the other rules as well!

    1. Re:CoCs are religious documents by davide+marney · · Score: 2

      Extra points for using "harridans" in a sentence.

      --
      "We receive as friendly that which agrees with, we resist with dislike that which opposes us" - Faraday
    2. Re:CoCs are religious documents by PPH · · Score: 1

      Of course they are. That's why it's a kind of blasphemy to mock them.

      SJWs are religious.

      Probably. But go to work for a company that is run by a bunch of bible-thumpers. The atmosphere is just as toxic. And they have their self-appointed morality police. Who don't do a lick of work but run around and police everyone elses' behavior.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    3. Re:CoCs are religious documents by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Decades ago, I came in on a Saturday.

      Found the office manager (too much makeup, 'Capital Christian Center' big ol church in Sacramento) getting pounded by one of the regional sales managers on the 'meating' room table.

      I guessed the 'conversion therapy' for her _flaming_ interior decorator husband wasn't going well.

      I ducked back out, thanking dog that I'd heard before I got a good look, I'd have gone blind for sure.

      If I'd had a phone with camera, I'd have been selling raises to her 'reports'.

      Since that time, no more thumper companies.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    4. Re:CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recently had a similar situation. It was just be the pink haired office manager pegging her flaming interior decorator husband while he pegged a genderfluid XY female identified secretary while citing the vagina monologues. The blindness was temporary. The insanity... We're discussing that with my priest this saturday, converted shortly afterwards witnessing.

    5. Re:CoCs are religious documents by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      SJWs are religious. Marxism is their religion

      Well, considering that Marx said that [christian] religion is the ideal partner for capitalism and that the goal of philosophy is to overcome all heavenly and earthly gods*.... you may want to give your own definition of religion to support that. I mean, they are obviously zealots, but looks like you don't need religion for that.

      * roughly translated from https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      --
      bickerdyke
    6. Re:CoCs are religious documents by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      You can choose which group to be judged by, but you'll burn either way.

      Bit of fools errand if you ask me.

    7. Re:CoCs are religious documents by dark.nebulae · · Score: 1

      This seems to be a little harsh...

      Sure, there are extremists on both sides, I wouldn't want to comment on the fringe...

      But in general all that is asked for is fairness, equality, freedom and respect. When you are the target of unfairness, inequality, oppression or disrespect, a token gesture such as a CoC offers light in an otherwise dreary state.

      Seen from a position that receives more than an equal share of fairness, favor, options and advantage, it is often hard to relate to those on the other side of the equation. From that perspective, CoCs can be seen as a joke because certainly no one can be suffering so badly as to warrant such a foolish statement protecting what the advantaged obviously benefit from.

      Will we ever live in a colorblind, sex-blind, country-blind, age-blind, religion-blind world? I doubt it, we seem to prone to prejudice of one sort or another. But should we really challenge those that push for such a world? I mean, after all they would fight just as hard for our freedoms as they do for others...

    8. Re:CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cast that stone!

    9. Re:CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering that you seem likely to label certain people as SJW's and then to hate them, you're not someone that I would care to work with (or have as a neighbor or relative). That sort of tribalistic way of thinking is just not very pleasant to be around.

    10. Re:CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marxism is not at all their religion.

      People can be "religiously Marxist" (in a way, that was a part of culture in the former USSR and Eastern Europe) - but that's not it.

      Hint: If they don't talk about the historical tasks of the working class and about taking control of the means of production, then you're probably mis-characterizing it.

    11. Re:CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please don't badmouth marxists

    12. Re:CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not a Marxist.

      --Karl Marx

      You are going to have to do much better than a quote from Marx himself to disprove claims about the movement that usurped his name.

    13. Re:CoCs are religious documents by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Punchline: Jesus turned slowly and in an exasperated voice said...'Mother'

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    14. Re:CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think the easiest way to take care of these guys is with a dress code. Make everyone wear suits and ties, ban strange hair colors, ban visible tattoos, ban facial hair, ban long hair on men, ban odd piercings. This should demoralize if not drive out the major trouble makers. It should calm everyone down.

    15. Re:CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know why you think Marxism is the religion of SJWs, but as far as I can tell Marxism is more closely aligned with the Free Software movement.

      Insofar as Free Software aligns quite closely with Slashdot (Slashdot is Free, it runs on Linux which is Free, its users prefer Free software), I think that you would do well to not use "Marxism" as a slur.

      dom

    16. Re: CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No they won't. They are openly hostile to people who disagree with them. Go read their Twitter feeds.

    17. Re:CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will we ever live in a colorblind, sex-blind, country-blind, age-blind, religion-blind world? I doubt it, we seem to prone to prejudice of one sort or another. But should we really challenge those that push for such a world?

      Are you nuts? The whole point of identity politics isn't to make the world colorblind, it's to shove race and gender and everything else into every last irrelevant nook and cranny. If Trump held a news conference tomorrow and said "I have a dream that children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character", CNN would spend the next week calling him a white supremacist for it.

    18. Re:CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true. They do police other people's behaviour, but honestly, trying to claim that bible thumpers don't do hard work is bizarrely ahistorical. Like it or not, religious work ethic, conscientiousness and community built western civilisation.

      I'm an atheist through and through... but we badly need SOME of that back.

    19. Re:CoCs are religious documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That will work to fix the problem, for sure. But who is going to develop the software?

    20. Re:CoCs are religious documents by rl117 · · Score: 1

      It's simple. This rash of CoCs is being pushed in large by third-wave feminists. These feminists are all about Intersectionality, which is essentially Marxist doctrine. The "social justice" brigade is all about pushing Intersectionality. And in consequence, most of the SJWs are soft-pedalling Marxism even though many of them are not self-aware enough to realise this.

    21. Re:CoCs are religious documents by rl117 · · Score: 1

      You're making a classic SJW mistake. You're saying that "disagreement" is "hatred". It's not. I don't hate SJWs, but I do disagree with their philosophy and actions. That's not hatred, and it's not tribalistic. It's an opinion. Why jump straight to "hate"? It's like there's zero nuance. The world isn't black and white and only filled with "haters" and "non-haters". You might actually find me perfectly pleasant to be around, if you didn't judge me based upon a single comment on the internet which you didn't like.

    22. Re:CoCs are religious documents by rl117 · · Score: 1

      I didn't. I said that SJW beliefs are based upon Marxist philosphy, and that I disagree with their cause. That's a long way from badmouthing. However, given the vast suffering and ongoing problems which Marxists have caused over the course of the last century, I think I would be quite justified in doing so should I so choose. But right now, I'm not.

  17. CoC for dummies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One Email Thread:

    Person A: Writes an email to everyone apologizing for going off and partying instead of attending the mandatory meeting.
    Person B: Trying to be helpful, writes an email to everyone pointing out that there seems to be some confusion here; That there was no meeting that day due to a holiday.
    Person A: Writes an email to everyone blasting Person B for not having sent Person A an email detailing the holiday calendar published on the website.
    Person A: Writes an email to Person B, just Person B, in the same MAIL THREAD, with the same Subject line, saying lets make B's next response simple: B should just write that A is a horrible worthless incompetent useless person who can't manage his/her own schedule or contribute meaningfully.
    Person B: Not seeing that A's second email was not to the group, writes a response to everyone to both emails. To the first, details of how to access the website calendar are provided. To the second, that such comments are not constructive nor helpful; Please don't put words in B's mouth; Surely we can manage a more productive approach; Etc.
    Person A: Writes an email BLASTING B. That second email was written just to B. How you could share that with everyone! See, you really do feel that way about me.

    And yeah, that actually happened to me. I was Person B.

    Sadly Code of Conduct [CoC] is not about preventing such abuse.

    Rather Code of Conduct [CoC] is about Person A pushing for a CoC policy so they can they leverage their trap into a CoC violation and get Person B kicked out.

    And that is Code of Conduct [CoC] for Beginners.

    To quote an old TV show: "Lets be careful out there."

    1. Re:CoC for dummies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were Person B, then it is clear you are a douche. You say you didn't see that his email was only sent to you, but that is clearly a bold face lie - you went out of your way to manually add everyone to your reply instead of just replying which would only have gone to him, likely with the sole intention of making Person A look like a douche to everyone - which, frankly, he was already doing a good enough job of on his own.

      Person C, as in CEO, should have fired both of you douches.

    2. Re:CoC for dummies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, not really. I had replied-all to the first message. I was just completing my email when the second message came in, and rather than watching this email thread fan out, I added that response as well. Truly didn't see it wasn't to the group. It's not like there's a few hundred emails on the CC line. It's one mailing list address.

      Oh, and posting anonymously for apparently damn good reason!

    3. Re:CoC for dummies... by novakyu · · Score: 1

      Why? Weren't you already kicked out?

      If not, what are you whinging about?

    4. Re:CoC for dummies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I couldn't be kicked out. Nor can I leave. Some folks just want to make everybody else's life miserable. Much like what you are doing.

  18. Would somebody please... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...send me a new "Delete" keycap? Thanks. And yes, I subscribe to Slashdot's RSS feeds.

  19. Monastic by bobstreo · · Score: 2

    When I think of monks, I think about

    Vows of Chastity

    Vows of Silence

    Bread Making

    Beer Brewing

    1. Re:Monastic by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Chastity, yes. The other three, no. Not in the chapter. Although there is an admonishment against "useless words"

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      Your ad here. Ask me how!
    2. Re:Monastic by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Well... think of self organizing groups working together for their common good.

      --
      bickerdyke
    3. Re:Monastic by lordlod · · Score: 1

      Chastity is unclear to me. The gutenberg translation has 11. To chastise the body.

      Which to mean means corporal mortification. This could be self denial such as fasting or celibacy, it could also involve the redemption of pain through whipping or hair shirts. This is backed up by 4. Not to commit adultery, which would be irrelevant to a celibate.

      35. Not addicted to wine. Could point towards beer brewing for the budding alcoholic.

      Honestly, the list seems very long, too open for interpretation and containing a large number of ineffectual lines. A good coding team would have refactored it before accepting it into Master.

    4. Re:Monastic by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      Sometimes a vow of silence in the workplace would really improve things.

      --
      Nullius in verba
    5. Re:Monastic by guygo · · Score: 1

      ... but no pizza. That could be a deal breaker.

    6. Re:Monastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vows of Chastity

      Vows of Silence

      Project Making

      Test Suit Running

      I think it does work just fine.

    7. Re:Monastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adultery is specifically the violation of a marriage contract by sleeping with someone who is not your spouse. Chastity refers to not having sex specifically and to a lesser degree avoiding romance and flirting.

      Chastising the body obviously refers to either sitting for 8 hours at a desk job, and then going home and doing another 4 hours of sqlite coding, or else to the process of code review (chastisement) to the body of code.

      Obviously 35 is telling all those wine snobs to pick a good whiskey for their SQLite endeavors.

      Captcha: Friction. Because...chastity?

    8. Re:Monastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget astronomy and genetics!

  20. BRILLIANT by TimMD909 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good job for SQLite! I like 19 (Console the sorrowing) the most. I also want to start a new project called "Sorrowing: The Console". It'd be like bash, but all the messages would be drenched in existential dread.

    1. Re:BRILLIANT by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean PowerShell?

    2. Re:BRILLIANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is that different from bash?

      (On another note, you could probably have some angsty goth teen write you a localisation file for bash or, what the hell, tcsh or something. Shouldn't take more than a few days. So we'll see the first release in a week, no?)

    3. Re:BRILLIANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean PowerShell?

      No, messages drenched in existential dread should not to be confused with your own existence being placed in existential dread by having to use the damn thing.

    4. Re:BRILLIANT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The printer is on fire!" -> "The printer is mired in the burning pits of hell, the ink is boiled away, there's no saving its soul now. Alas its penance for killing trees."

    5. Re:BRILLIANT by micahraleigh · · Score: 0

      +1 for using "existential" that way in a sentence (i.e. for individuals). Have been tired of people since Brian Williams to use it as a justification word for keeping a government going.

  21. Let's try something crazy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's try, just once, to treat each other with a little bit of respect. No code of conduct, no moral outrage over misspellings or misspoken statements. Just respectful conversation about whatever topic happens to be present without attempting to shoe-horn in a political agenda. That might get us somewhere other than spinning our wheels and finger-pointing.

    I know, that's way out there in left field for most, but it seems like it might be worth a shot.

    1. Re:Let's try something crazy. by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      It isn't "worth a shot". This is a big shock to most people, but respect is earned, it is not a right. I know, I know, in today's world everyone demands "respect", but many times their actions don't deserve respect.

    2. Re:Let's try something crazy. by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Yes. No CoC should need to be longer than... "just try to not be a jerk".

      That's probably even a condensed version of the decalog, which in itself is already a really good shot at a far reaching CoC with amazing brevity.

      --
      bickerdyke
    3. Re:Let's try something crazy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the idea of a CoC is to actually provide some useful parameters for what it means to "be a jerk".

      For example, there are some people who do not think that "repeatedly soliciting sex from a subordinate" counts as being a jerk, but the subordinate probably thinks it does. The CoC would codify that as "being a jerk", hopefully in a somewhat general sense.

      dom

    4. Re:Let's try something crazy. by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      respect is earned, it is not a right

      Similarly, disrespect is not a right, though trolls who rail against conduct guidelines seem to believe it is.

      --
      When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
    5. Re:Let's try something crazy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disrespect is most certainly a right. You, for example, do not have my respect because you have not earned it, and you have shown yourself to be unworthy of respect since you do not respect others. You are a sophist and a cunt and I and others have every right to call you out on your exorbitant cuntliness.

  22. Code Of Conduct by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

    If your work is shit, you'll be treated like shit, if your work is awesome, you'll be treated awesome. If you act like a libtard, you'll be handed a foam helmet and a bib, and if you act like a republican, we'll deny you every possibly benefit, so welcome to the real world :)

    1. Re:Code Of Conduct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, you're making a counter-argument against your own wish to avoid a CoC.

      People don't need to be treated like shit, they can be treated with politeness and basic human respect even while their shitty work is rejected. On the other hand, submitting awesome code does not allow you to lord over other people - it should gain you respect and some social leeway.

  23. Ora pro nobis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's the copy from SQLite: https://www.sqlite.org/codeofconduct.html

  24. Seems perfect to me by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    That CoC is just peace, pray, and work hard for what you believe.

    Far from being a joke, has there ever been a more appropriate philosophy for coding? I don't think so. It's not like it says who to pray TO.

    And the peace part is something everyone needs these days to calm down a little.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Seems perfect to me by lgw · · Score: 2

      Well, it is overtly Christian, but if you look past there there's lots of good stuff. "Not to swear": looking at you Linus. "Not to return evil for evil": no flame wars. Respect those more senior, but welcome those more junior.

      The best though is: "Not to desire to be called holy before one is; but to be holy first, that one may be truly so called", i.e., virtue signalling is forbidden.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    2. Re:Seems perfect to me by mycroft16 · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to translate this to a more appropriate terminology for our profession, this could prove hilarious while simultaneously providing more fodder for the SJWs to lose their collective shit over.

    3. Re:Seems perfect to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does say " Nihil amori Christi præponere". The preamble from SQLite does say though "The entire rule is good and wholesome, and yet we make no enforcement of the more introspective aspects."

    4. Re:Seems perfect to me by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      The best though is: "Not to desire to be called holy before one is; but to be holy first, that one may be truly so called", i.e., virtue signalling is forbidden.

      History tells us that purity spiraling, in politics, in tech in general, and FOSS as we're discussing, will stop, one way or another, after so many people are killed or banned there's none left to keep it going, or a strongman or men stop it by force, often because they realize they're next. Not exactly sure how this will work out in tech and FOSS, I think there's a good chance we'll split into two groups, all the way down to two parallel Internets, if what's happening in the political arena doesn't also stop it for tech and FOSS.

    5. Re: Seems perfect to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think bug rates will drop and feature completions rates will rise as dead wood leaves or is banned. The best programmers I have known live by personal codes of conduct very similar to this.

    6. Re:Seems perfect to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      someone above suggested reading it with the project standing for the divinity references

      First of all, love the project/community with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole strength.
      Then, love your neighbor as yourself.
      etc.

      that's not a half-bad start

    7. Re: Seems perfect to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but THOSE good programmers will leave when someone starts rejecting their contributions because someone accused the of something they did or didn't do, but really it's over something else they were politely asked to say on behalf of "the party" and they refused... If you won't be their puppet you are not needed. You will find out

    8. Re: Seems perfect to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but rejections and banning due to politics have and will happen regardless of any CoC. With a CoC, and this one in particular, those arbitrary or politically motivated rejections become a little more obvious and easier to defend against.

    9. Re:Seems perfect to me by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      If virtue signaling is forbidden then your incessant whining about virtue signaling is forbidden because it's virtue signaling about how you so object to virtue signaling.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    10. Re:Seems perfect to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      History tells us that purity spiraling, in politics, in tech in general, and FOSS as we're discussing, will stop, one way or another, after so many people are killed or banned there's none left to keep it going, or a strongman or men stop it by force, often because they realize they're next. FOSS.

      Why not a strongwoman? Hasn't Eowyn taught you anything?

    11. Re:Seems perfect to me by lgw · · Score: 1

      Someone please update this NPC's script, it's very repetitive.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  25. Clearly, SJWs love CoCs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can’t get enough of the CoC. They’ll get down on their knees for a taste of that thick, all-important CoC. At night, they lie awake in their beds, dreaming about the CoC, about getting their hands on a nice CoC and making it part of everything they do. They simply crave the CoC.

    1. Re:Clearly, SJWs love CoCs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying they're a bunch of... CoC-suckers?

  26. Don't try to get laid on the project mailing list by raymorris · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seen as guidelines for interaction *within the project* , chastity makes perfect sense to me. In other words "don't try to get laid on the project mailing list, hitting on another developer".

    That's not the purpose of project communications, and nerds are notoriously awkward at flirting, often saying the wrong thing. To avoid saying the wrong thing while trying to hook up with the QA lady, just don't try to hook up with anyone on the project.

  27. Wrong by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    That is what happens to your fingers naturally after a lifetime of reaching for the Meta key in combination with other keystrokes.

    He literally cannot put the fingers together anymore.

    Emacs master.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Wrong by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      That's why I map meta to left-win; the default setting to overload the alt key is just too much of a stretch.

      You can also reduce finger strain by mapping caps-lock to super.

    2. Re: Wrong by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      Nooooooooooo! Caps lock MUST be mapped to escape! Burn, heretic, burn!!!

    3. Re: Wrong by houghi · · Score: 1

      You still buy keyboards with a caps-lock key? I assume you also have the Windows-logo on one of your keys.

      Put your money where you mouth is and make your own keyboard. https://blog.tartanllama.xyz/m...

      --
      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    4. Re: Wrong by astrofurter · · Score: 1

      Sorry dude - no way I'm typing on a primitive, unergonomic flat keyboard like that.

  28. Code_of_COMMANDMENTS by HeckRuler · · Score: 5, Funny

    Why not use something a little more updated:

    I am the sysadmin, thy savior, which have brought thee out of th elands of paper, out of the house of bondage

    1. Thou shalt have no other sysadmin before me
    2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any Gaben image
    3. Thou shalt not email thy sysadmin in vain
    4. Remember it's the weekend, keep it holy, don't call
    5. Honour thy manager and thy HR
    6. Thou shalt not kill -9
    7. Thou shalt not commit adultery on company computers
    8. Thou shalt not torrent
    9. Thou shalt not bear false witness on thine tickets
    10. Thou shalt not covet they neighbors hardware, nor his software, nor anything else.

    Ye shall erect these memos which I command thee upon mount cubicle

    1. Re:Code_of_COMMANDMENTS by AndrewFlagg · · Score: 1

      i like #6.. funny.

    2. Re:Code_of_COMMANDMENTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have badly mangled #6.
      It should read:
      Thou shalt not kill -11 your brother's process.

  29. They care about culture though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They mostly only care about this because visible resistance presents a cultural threat to them. SJWs do not want to see culture that they cannot control. They want to control what culture affirms because they know that if they were to lose that, they have nothing whatsoever to offer society.

    Once society no longer fears them, they've made far too many enemies to live a peaceful life. If we could tame the outrage bait media, which is always trying to stir up some sort of trouble, it would go a long way towards solving this.

    1. Re:They care about culture though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd never tame it, but you can provoke and antagonize it so much that more and more normal people turn away from the endless red-faced, frothing hatred. It's been Trump's media strategy for 3+ years now and it's been working out pretty well overall [gallup.com].

  30. You're reading it wrong by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    44. Fear the Day of Judgment.

    Obviously those references terms of a CoC are metaphorical, as you can arbitrarily apply them to the belief system you hold.

    However you are wrong about 44, it has no reference to God and is obviously referring to pull request reviews. 45 is about over-long standups.

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:You're reading it wrong by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      44. Fear the Day of Judgment.

      Obviously those references terms of a CoC are metaphorical, as you can arbitrarily apply them to the belief system you hold.

      However you are wrong about 44, it has no reference to God and is obviously referring to pull request reviews. 45 is about over-long standups.

      I though 44 was about project delivery deadlines and getting your customer to sign a successful UAT ....

      But jokes aside... it may not translate 1:1 to todays IT landscape, but being over 1000 years old it's amazing how well it still would work as a guideline for a modern CoC.

      --
      bickerdyke
    2. Re:You're reading it wrong by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      but being over 1000 years old it's amazing how well it still would work as a guideline for a modern CoC.

      Rather, the fact that it's stood the test of time for our sorts of communities is exactly why it still works 1500 year later, and an explicit reason for choosing it.

    3. Re:You're reading it wrong by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      The way people communicate and collaborate didn't change over those years. Only means of communication did.

    4. Re:You're reading it wrong by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      44. Fear the Day of Judgment.

      Fear the day your project is released to the public. For that day ye shall be judged.

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    5. Re:You're reading it wrong by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Fear the day your project is released to the public.

      Now THAT may be the best reading yet!

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    6. Re:You're reading it wrong by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1
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  31. Speaking of claptrap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This whole "SJWs are real!" thing has gone from a cute joke to a complete farce. The only thing left for us to do is meet up and burn some effigies.

  32. Oh no! Somebody made fun of the tranny guide by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TEXTAREA id=safespace>

     

  33. Yes exactly by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    "Not to return evil for evil": no flame wars

    This also meshes really well with a recent article Jeff Atwood wrote on healthy communities, with the rule "No Grudges"

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    1. Re:Yes exactly by lgw · · Score: 2

      That seems to be a big part of this CoC:

      23 Not to foster a desire for revenge.
      25 Not to make a false peace.
      29 Not to return evil for evil
      30 To do no injury, yea, even patiently to bear the injury done us.
      31 To love one's enemies
      32 Not to curse them that curse us, but rather to bless them.

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  34. Re:Don't try to get laid on the project mailing li by Guybrush_T · · Score: 1

    And if you consider god being the project, piety is pretty fine as well.

  35. Full chapter text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This one might be easier to read, without these excessive numbers.
    "Non vinolentum"? Oh crap! But if it means "don't be given to wine" such that wine may still be given to me that's fine I guess..

      Caput 4: Quæ sunt instrumenta bonorum operum

    In primis Dominum Deum diligere ex toto corde, tota anima, tota virtute. Deinde proximum tamquam seipsum. Deinde non occidere. Non adulterare. Non facere futum. Non concupiscere. Non falsum testimonium dicere. Honorare omnes homines. Et quod sibi quis fieri non vult, alio ne faciat. Abnegare semetipsum sibi ut sequatur Christum. Corpus castigare. Delicias non amplecti. Ieiunium amare. Pauperes recreare.Nudum vestire. Infirmum visitare. Mortuum sepelire. In tribulatione subvenire. Dolentem consolari. Sæculi actibus se facere alienum. Nihil amori Christi præponere. Iram non perficere.

    Iracundiæ tempus non reservare. Dolum in corde non tenere. Pacem falsam non dare. Caritatem non derelinquere. Non iurare ne forte periuret. Veritatem ex corde et ore proferre. Malum pro malo non reddere. Iniuriam non facere, sed et factas patienter sufferre. Inimicos diligere. Maledicentes se non remaledicere, sed magis benedicere. Persecutionem pro iustitia sustinere. Non esse superbum. Non vinolentum. Non multum edacem. Non somnulentum. Non pigrum. Non murmuriosum. Non detractorem. Spem suam Deo committere. Bonum aliquid in se cum viderit, Deo adplicet, non sibi. Malum vero semper a se factum sciat et sibi reputet.

    Diem iudicii timere. Gehennam expavescere. Vitam æternam omni concupiscentia spiritali desiderare. Mortem cotidie ante oculos suspectam habere. Actus vitæ suæ omni hora custodire. In omni loco Deum se respicere pro certo scire. Cogitationes malas cordi suo advenientes mox ad Christum adlidere et seniori spiritali patefacere.Os suum a malo vel pravo eloquio custodire. Multum loqui non amare. Verba vana aut risui apta non loqui. Risum multum aut excussum non amare. Lectiones sanctas libenter audire. Orationi frequenter incumbere. Mala sua præterita cum lacrimis vel gemitu cotidie in oratione Deo confiteri. De ipsis malis de cetero emendare. Desideria carnis non efficere. Voluntatem propriam odire. Præceptis abbatis in omnibus oboedire, etiam si ipse aliter - quod absit - agat, memores illud dominicum præceptum: Quæ dicunt facite, quæ autem faciunt facere nolite. Non velle dici sanctum antequam sit, sed prius esse quod verius dicatur.

    Præcepta Dei factis cotidie adimplere. Castitatem amare. Nullum odire. Zelum non habere. Invidiam non exercere. Contentionem non amare. Elationem fugere. Et seniores venerare. Iuniores diligere. In Christi amore pro inimicis orare. Cum discordante ante solis occasum in pacem redire. Et de Dei misericordia numquam desperare. Ecce hæc sunt instrumenta artis spiritalis. Quæ cum fuerint a nobis die noctuque incessabiliter adimpleta et in die iudicii reconsignata, illa mercis nobis a Domino reconpensabitur quam ipse promisit: Quod oculus non vidit nec auris audivit, quæ præparavit Deus his qui diligunt illum. Officina vero ubi hæc omnia diligenter operemur claustra sunt monasterii et stabilitas in congregatione.

  36. Strange game by WaffleMonster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only winning move is not to play

  37. Simpletons triggered ! by Voice+of+satan · · Score: 1

    Fun like a light hearted joke triggers the butthurt feelings of the intellectually unsophisticated. I am glad i do not have to work in the software development business. I live in the U.S.A and never heard of such nonsense in real life. I hope it is the internet serving as the magnifying lens for the sad creatures who lurk on tumblr.

    Even in political Correct Germany i had not to meet such uptight morons.

    Where i was born CoCsuckers would get a pie cream in the face. A famous pseudo intellectual with an inflated ego even got ten or more of them.

    At least some find a way to have a little fun about this.

  38. As a traditionalist (secular) Jew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...My respect to the SQLite team has gone through the roof. Good choice.

  39. Re:If the idea of a CoC upsets you... by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

    ..it's highly probable that you're one of the people that make them necessary.

    Which is no contradiction to what a user posted above: The people who you need a CoC for are the ones no one wants to work with anyway.

    In other words: As soon as you have, need or should have a CoC, you're going down that road to hell anyway, no matter which good intentions you had to have or have not a CoC.

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  40. And a shitload of gay sex. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never forget that.

    The more you repress, the more perverted does it come out.

    Guess where the sex dungeon was invented. And organized child rape, for that matter.

  41. Anonymous Coward CoC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be it know from this point hence that the Anonymous Coward(AC) Code of Conduct MANDATES that; any and all ACs MUST advise all SJW and their ilk to kindly go skull fuck themselves most utterly.

  42. #2 Funniest of All by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any Gaben image

    ROFLMAO

  43. Sqlite, I like your style, how can I contribute ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well done, SQlite, kicking against the pricks, erm, CoCs !

    Stop the hateful puritans, stop the SJWs, stop the manhate.

  44. Troll Level: by mycroft16 · · Score: 1

    Saint.

  45. Tick tock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can you actually read some Marx please. One chapter of Capital vol.1, Grundrisse, 'Wage Labour and Capital' (essay).

    You sound as stupid as the SJW when you spew political word salad about something you know nothing about.
    The SJW ideology has nothing to do with Marxism. Marx and Engels weren't even egalitarian. They would have rejected all identity except class identity, and seen then the SJWs as liberals and boosters of capitalism.

    Also read 'The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism' by Max Weber. It explains how Protestantism is key to making you work like a little bitch for shit wages. Because god.
    God doesn't exist. You're going to die, and every second you spend laboring to make someone else rich is a waste of your finite life. Tick tock.

  46. Uh, yeah, I LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless backdoors, of course. Shitty, back doors. [LOL that captcha is "seemed"!]

  47. My .02 dollars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am an athiest and LGBT advocate and this CoC is acceptable.

  48. No. F*ck you! And well done by the SQGlite crew! by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    What douchebag third-grade developer has any say in what others chose to do in terms of this CoC thing that is fashionable just now? Screw you buddy.
    Their choice is theirs to make and if it's a feasible CoC and a funny/whitty comment on this whole CoC fad at the same time, even so much the better.

    F*ck either arrogant side of the camp and more power to this crew for lightening up this entire retarded entitled manner in which many a dimwit thinks they can tell others what to do in this entire era of dimwitted counter-productive over-bord PC non-sense, CoC fan or not!

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  49. The politicos are just pissing people off by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    What the politicos don't seem to grasp is that about 70ish percent of the population is politically disengaged by choice.

    If you do things that piss people off then you're suddenly going to find people angry with you that previously were politically invisible.

    Don't get me wrong... I know they're not going to stop and I don't want them to stop. This is just funny.

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    1. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      about 70ish percent of the population is politically disengaged by choice.

      Do you have a source for that? Even in states where only 30% of eligible adults vote, it would be a stretch to say that the remainder are "politically disengaged by choice".

    2. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      There's the "hidden tribes" study:
      https://static1.squarespace.co...

      Page 6

      You can also say things about the relative sizes of the wings but that's not an argument worth having. The clear observation that is beyond reproach is that the overwhelming majority are disaffected, disconnected, tired of the politics, tired of the stupid hyperbolic 24 hour hysteria, and just want to ignore it.

      There is a lot of proxy data for this...

      Another is younger women that identify as feminists:
      https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyl...

      And "half" is generous for the feminists because what "feminist" means is often a misrepresentation. You'll get feminists that will ask "do you believe in equal rights" and basically everyone will agree with that. And then you'll get hysterical #MeToo stuff that most women don't want anything to do with.

      Progressives make up a very small and loud minority that have confused people ironically by exploiting privileged access to media, educational, and governmental institutions to megaphone their ideas, silence opposition, shut down debate, and by fiat make whatever they want law.

      And the thing is that they can get away with that mostly because lots of people are not paying a lot of attention. You have this sleeping giant of lots and lots of disinterested people. And so long as the progressives maintain a stranglehold on these powerful institutions whilst not waking the giant... they can win political fights and institutional fights even if outnumbered.

      However, if they believe their own propoganda... then they'll over play their hand. They'll piss off the sleepers. They'll wake the giant. And their political alliance is far too small and fragile to survive that.

      As it stands, many within the DNC are already trying to marginalize the progressives because they see this coming. Those elements within the DNC are not fairing well however. They're losing control. We can see examples of this every day. You wanted data... I gave you two sets of data and don't be surprised if I can back every last bit up.

      The progressives made the error of getting religious about their politics. This gave them a political zealotry in certain conflicts that allowed them to overwhelm their opposition with ferocity. But it comes at a price... and that is that you can't turn it off. You can't control it. It is the mad berserker rage leaves many progressives spiraling into purity tests to attack their own whenever they don't have a clear external enemy.

      We've seen many such movements recently self destruct when they didn't have a few target of the day to burn.

      And the funniest bit is that they don't see that Trump is literally provoking them on purpose to bait the madness... because it isn't in the interest of the progressives to move "now".

      They can't do anything right now. They're out of power nationally and now should be a time of quiet rebuilding and preparation.

      Instead they're spazing out at tweets.

      I don't think the progressives are aware that all their political opponents are watching how to control them and manipulate them. This isn't going to stop.

      This is the new normal. Until the progressives develop an immunity to this kind of "trolling" and "baiting"... it won't stop. And whether they can even resist that is questionable. The very nature of their ideology makes it unlikely they can refuse provocation even when it is very very stupid to rise to it.

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    3. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's the "hidden tribes" study:

      https://static1.squarespace.co... [squarespace.com]

      Page 6

      Thank you for providing a source. Can you expand on how page 6 of this supports your earlier notion of 70% being "politically disengaged by choice" though? The page you refer to puts "politically disengaged" at 26%. Even if you just add up the "exhausted majority" - which includes plenty of people who do identify with political doctrines of some flavor - you only get to 67%.

      I'm trying to understand where your earlier assertion of 70% comes from.

    4. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      """exhausted majority" - which includes plenty of people who do identify with political doctrines of some flavor - you only get to 67%. ""

      I said most people were tired of it... you got within 3 percent of my off the cuff statement.

      As to political affiliation, that wasn't a 70 percent number... that's conflating the disconnected with a specific ideology.

      I did not cite a number for affiliation regarding that beyond suggesting the numbers were not in the progressive's favor... which that study supports.

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    5. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said

      70ish percent of the population is politically disengaged by choice.

      This is not the same as

      exhausted majority

      As it is certainly possible to be both exhausted and engaged.
       
       

      I said most people were tired of it... you got within 3 percent of my off the cuff statement.

      So then do you not have a source that supports your 70% claim? If you have one I'd be interested in seeing it. There could certainly be areas in this country where the percentage of eligible voters who are indeed willfully disengaged approaches that number, but you haven't provided a source for that being a reasonable thing to say about the country as a whole.

    6. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      What is the difference in your opinion between people that have disengaged from politics and people that tired of it?

      Indifferent to anything... its not really important. It is 6 of one and half a dozen of another.

      I cited my source which came within the margin of error of an off the cuff statement.

      If you want to imply I haven't backed up my position within reason then I'm going to just say "good day, sir".

      I have no patience for this sort of pedantry.

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    7. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is the difference in your opinion between people that have disengaged from politics and people that tired of it?

      Someone who is disengaged is not participating at all. Someone who is tired of it might still be participating (as in voting) even if they don't like the state of politics. That is a huge difference. While the USA suffers from abysmally low voter participation in some areas, your earlier claim of 70% not bothering to participate is not supported by any source you have given.
       
       

      I cited my source which came within the margin of error of an off the cuff statement.

      Except you didn't. You claimed that 70% weren't participating. You then gave a link that only showed that 67% weren't activists. There is a huge gap between the two.
       
       

      I have no patience for this sort of pedantry.

      Nobody is being pedantic here. You are being asked to be factual and to use language in a coherent manner. It appears you made up the 70% number out of thin air and then you grabbed an article that did not actually support it and hoped that it would be close enough to pass muster here. It might be time for you to just admit that you are not as knowledgeable on this matter as you tried to project yourself to be.

    8. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      Neither disengaged nor tired implies participation. Look at the definition in the dictionary. Neither has any connotation of participation.

      So that's just false.

      As to the numbers, I said 70 percent were disengaged/tired. The wings are not activists.

      You are now saying 100% of people that identify as progressives are activists and 100% that identify with some flavor conservativism are activists.

      So wrong again.

      As to me calling you a pedant, that was an error on my part apparently.

      What you are instead is someone that thinks the word "tired" means participating.

      And someone that thinks is that anyone that is politically engaged is an "activist".

      What this boils down to is that you don't know what words mean. Full stop. And given that you're apparently somewhat arrogant about your position... there is no productive way to correct you.

      This can only end in a pointless exchange of insults where neither of us will be persuaded by the other.

      I've made my case pretty clearly. I feel you've also made it very clear what you believe. I do not find it credible that any able bodied person in their right mind could agree with you. That is "my" position and we're leaving it there.

      Good day, sir.

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    9. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither disengaged nor tired implies participation. Look at the definition in the dictionary. Neither has any connotation of participation.

      Disengaged most certainly implies a lack of - at the very least - affiliation. Yet the source to linked to showed that these people do have at least have some affiliation. The fraction of people who would meet any reasonable description of "disengaged by choice" is therefore much smaller than the 70% you provided at the start of this thread.
       
       

      What this boils down to is that you don't know what words mean. Full stop.

      That is a conclusion that you cannot possibly support.
       
       

      And given that you're apparently somewhat arrogant about your position

      Can you please show where the arrogance is that you are referring to?
       
       

      This can only end in a pointless exchange of insults where neither of us will be persuaded by the other.

      Why would that be the only way this could go? Exactly zero insults have been directed at you in this thread so far. You have already taken a tack that could generously be described as somewhat less than civil but that is a choice you made for yourself.
       
       

      I do not find it credible that any able bodied person in their right mind could agree with you.

      Why do you feel the need to insult me or my argument? I'm interested in where you came up with your original statement of 70%, and have been consistently asking you to support it. So far, you have been unable to do so. Did you make the number up out of thin air? I didn't want to accuse you of that but the evidence is pointing in that direction now.

    10. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      So you're going to change what you said now?

      You implied that "tired" implies engaged and said that the 25ish percent of the population at the wings were activists.

      Now you can goal post move and double down on pedantry as much as you like. Your posts taken together show clear bad faith on your part in this discussion.

      My initial statements were validated by my links. And your attempts to manipulate words and to support what is at best a pedantic argument is tiresome.

      Kindly realize you have no case and shuffle off.

      I said, GOOD DAY, sir.

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    11. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You implied that "tired" implies engaged and said that the 25ish percent of the population at the wings were activists.

      Where was that said? I did not make any such claim. How you came to that conclusion is a mystery.
       
       

      Your posts taken together show clear bad faith on your part in this discussion.

      Can you please demonstrate how you reached that conclusion? It is really pointlessly easy for someone to brush off a counter argument as coming "in bad faith" - as you have just done - but much more difficult to actually make a case for it. What did you see in the previous posts that you feel justifies your raising that allegation?
       
       

      My initial statements were validated by my links.

      Except for your claim about 70%, which was not in any way validated by the one link you gave. In fact a reasonable conclusion would be that the link indeed refuted your claim about 70%, though we could be kind and just say that it absolutely, positively, did not in any way shape or form even come close to something that could be vaguely interpreted as somehow almost nearly validating something in the general vicinity of your claim about 70%.
       
       

      And your attempts to manipulate words

      No words were manipulated in refuting your initial claim. You made the claim, and then you failed to support it. Where did the initial number come from? Did you make it up just to bring attention to your post? Did you hear it on talk radio? Did it come from townhall.com or the drudge report?

    12. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      ""Someone who is disengaged is not participating at all. Someone who is tired of it might still be participating (as in voting) even if they don't like the state of politics. That is a huge difference. While the USA suffers from abysmally low voter participation in some areas, your earlier claim of 70% not bothering to participate is not supported by any source you have given. ""

      I say again, GOOD DAY, sir.

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    13. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will ask you one last time then, and if you do not respond in the negative I will take that to mean that you are confirming the affirmative.

      Did you make up the 70% number?
       
      You have had many chances to provide support for it and have not done so yet. I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt on you having made it up on your own, but you have left no other reasonable conclusion at this point.

    14. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      67% is materially different from 70% when referenced "off the cuff" as I said repeatedly in what sense?

      I remembered that the number was something like 70%. So I did not make it up. I was being general.

      My general remembrance was that it was something like 70%. On examination, it was 67% which is 3% off.

      Amongst "human beings", remembering a statistic like that to within 3% is generally considered to be pretty good.

      I actually explained all of this above when you first attempted this particular line of pedantry. I explained at the time what I had done and also my surprise that you would think being off by 3% on an off the cuff reference is a "gotcha" moment for you.

      That you would even ask if I made up the 70% number when it was explained and you've seen data that is within 3% of that figure cited by me... it is just baffling.

      Kindly go away. You've been nothing but bad faith and pedantry in this discussion.

      I actually cited evidence.

      You've cited nothing.

      I offered opinions and insight.

      You offered nothing.

      I actually brought something forward that could enlighten or inform.

      You brought nothing of value.

      All you accomplished is wasting the time of someone actually contributing to this community.

      My own fault for engaging with an AC. Disappointing. Be a better person.

      Good day.

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    15. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      67% is materially different from 70% when referenced "off the cuff" as I said repeatedly in what sense?

      The 67% sum from what you referenced is not the same criteria that you gave for 70%. You claimed

      70ish percent of the population is politically disengaged by choice.

      While your source showed that much of the 67% subscribes to a political philosophy on the left-right continuum. Even if you want to pretend that people who were in the marginal reaches of that were less than active - which your source makes absolutely no claim of - you're still a long ways from "politically disengaged by choice".

      Now it seems you are trying to give merit to your claim by twisting words to suit your agenda and will. That doesn't fly. If you cast a vote, you are not "politically disengaged". It doesn't matter if you belong to a party or not, there are plenty of engaged people who are nonpartisan. For that matter plenty of people would meet a reasonable criteria of "politically engaged" who do not vote - for any of a number of reasons - which would further push down your claim of all these "politically disengaged" people.
       
       

      Amongst "human beings", remembering a statistic like that to within 3% is generally considered to be pretty good.

      Except that you did not remember that statistic to within any reasonable measure of accuracy. IF you started from that source before you made your claim - and you notably have never made a claim to have done so (indeed it looks more like you made up the 70% bit and then found the source and hoped that it would be accepted as supporting your made up number) - then you did such a terrible job of reading what their 67% sum was about that you would have done yourself a favor to not have cited it at all.

      But that's OK. We accept that you made up the 70% number. We don't expect you to tell us why, as you seem to have whipped yourself into too much of a hissy at this point to be bothered with facts or reality. You don't have to apologize, as the magnitude of twisting, insulting, and defense that you have laid out here makes it pretty clear that you wouldn't be willing to give an apology even if you were capable of realizing on some level that you are simply wrong. In fact, that would really be the only thing you could do at this point that would surprise anyone - if you were to show the maturity to realize that you were wrong and then apologize for your behavior in the light of your wrongness.

    16. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      I didn't say non-affiliated.

      Go away.

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    17. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how can one be a voter and

      politically disengaged by choice

      ?

      Or how can one be affiliated and

      politically disengaged by choice

      ?

      The answer is the same for both questions. One cannot be both of those things simultaneously.

      If you didn't have a point to make - as evidenced by the fact that you pulled a number out of your posterior and then failed to come up with anything that could support it - why did you bother posting here at all? You do seem to have earned those troll and flamebait mods here for sure.

    18. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This kid has a severe case of last-post-itis, one of the worst ever seen here on slashdot. At least even money on him coming back to reply to you, even though he has no argument whatsoever.

    19. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Karmashock · · Score: 0

      Nice try pretending to be a third party, AC scum. ;-D

      Anyway, it is good to know you're only posting to get the last post in there.

      It removes any doubt that you were doing anything but trolling from the start.

      The links I provided made the matter very clear. Pedantry and and obtuseness is a poor defense.

      Naturally with only one other person in the discussion, the other party can pretend that their case has value simply by gainsaying any counter position. One could say 1+1=2 and the other party could disagree endlessly without getting laughed at my onlookers because there are no onlookers.

      I say for the final time... Good day.

      This is what I get for talking to ACs. I had a policy of not talking to them but they're not "all" trolls. Sadly, I've clearly picked up some AC trolls lately. So back to the old policy of not letting one guy pretend to be a dozen by posting everything under AC. People like you, are literally the problem with Slashdot. Troll another community... this one doesn't need you.

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    20. Re:The politicos are just pissing people off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Anyway, it is good to know you're only posting to get the last post in there.

      Than what are you doing? You haven't made a point in this discussion yet. You fabricated a number to base your viewpoint on, and then you were caught making it up when you couldn't provide a source to support it.
       
       

      It removes any doubt that you were doing anything but trolling from the start.

      Nobody in this thread is trolling you. Direct questions were asked of you in response to your initial claim, and you failed to answer them. In other words
       
        YOU WERE CAUGHT LYING

      You can pretend otherwise but it is abundantly clear that you made up the number out of nothing, as you have nothing with which to support it.
       
       

      People like you, are literally the problem with Slashdot.

      Feel free to try a different community, then. You would fit in well at townhall.com or maybe on the drudge report. Dailystormer would have liked you as well I suspect. Nobody is forcing you to come here and get busted for making shit up from nothing.
       
       

      Troll another community

      Slashdot has a very specific definition of trolling:https://slashdot.org/faq/mod-metamod.shtml
       

      Troll

              A Troll is similar to Flamebait, ( Flamebait - Comments whose sole purpose is to insult and enrage. ) but slightly more refined. This is a prank comment intended to provoke indignant (or just confused) responses.

      No reply posted to any of your comments here were clearly posted to insult and enrage you. Fair and reasonable questions were asked of you and you were treated with respect. You were given many opportunities to clarify your initial comment - and notably you chose not to.

      If anyone in this thread met the definition of troll, it was you and not the AC.

      So being a you have shown yourself to not have anything to contribute to this discussion, why do you keep replying?

  50. Meh CoC's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You didn't tell me that" should never be an excuse for abusive behavior. If they didn't know better, then all the more reason everyone should engage the Klingon-style Discommendation. PS criticism != abuse in software development circles.

  51. Please adopt this CoC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ten Principles for the Establishment of the One-Ideology System"

    (original version)

    1. We must give our all in the struggle to unify the entire society with the revolutionary ideology of the Great Leader Kim Il Sung.

    2. We must honor the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung with all our loyalty.

    3. We must make absolute the authority of the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung.

    4. We must make the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung’s revolutionary ideology our faith and make his instructions our creed.

    5. We must adhere strictly to the principle of unconditional obedience in carrying out the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung's instructions.

    6. We must strengthen the entire party’s ideology and willpower and revolutionary unity, centering on the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung.

    7. We must learn from the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung and adopt the communist look, revolutionary work methods and people-oriented work style.

    8. We must value the political life we were given by the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung, and loyally repay his great political trust and thoughtfulness with heightened political awareness and skill.

    9. We must establish strong organizational regulations so that the entire party, nation and military move as one under the one and only leadership of the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung.

    10. We must pass down the great achievement of the revolution by the Great Leader comrade Kim Il Sung from generation to generation, inheriting and completing it to the end.

  52. See you in Kangaroo Court by mileshigh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Chastity is the only honest way to go. However, you'll notice that requirement seriously interferes with recruitment in the modern world.

    All similar codes I've seen pretend to be something else by forbidding unwanted sexual advances. "Unwanted" sounds oh-so reasonable, but the problem is: how do you know if an advance is unwanted if you don't try your luck? Communication between people is fragile at best. If you advance is accepted, then it was desired. Otherwise, you're a posteriori guilty of an unwanted advance and are a creep because You Should Have Known Better.

    Ergo, the only sane solution is to say that all advances are unwanted in that community, which is called chastity.

    Either the community is a place where one of the side-benefits is the possibility of romance/sex and where related behavior is sanctioned, or sex and romance are 100% off the menu.

    1. Re:See you in Kangaroo Court by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Chastity is the only honest way to go. However, you'll notice that requirement seriously interferes with recruitment in the modern world.

      If you think you need to avoid chastity to get employees, then you should rethink your workplace, and if you think you need to avoid chastity to get a job, you need to rethink your job application.

      how do you know if an advance is unwanted if you don't try your luck?

      If the person you are 'trying your luck' with is in a position where your success isn't dependent on luck, then you can be pretty sure the advance is unwanted. When they say "no", you've got a clear signal.

      Ergo, the only sane solution is to say that all advances are unwanted in that community, which is called chastity.

      You have it backwards. Chastity has nothing to do with the recipient.

      Either the community is a place where one of the side-benefits is the possibility of romance/sex

      Yeah, that attitude from the people in positions of power isn't working out so well these days, is it? Harvey Weinstein figured that his "community" had a lot of side-benefits, didn't he?

    2. Re:See you in Kangaroo Court by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      Ergo, the only sane solution is to say that all advances are unwanted in that community, which is called chastity.

      Simply Saying "ergo" makes you neither smart nor rational.

      If you have nothing inbetween chastity and using an OSS project mailing list as your personal hunting ground then yes, chastity is the best option for you. But that's a rule for you and you along, not grown ass adults.

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    3. Re:See you in Kangaroo Court by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      how do you know if an advance is unwanted if you don't try your luck?

      It's called 'context'. 11PM in a bar when everyone is relaxed and having a good time? Good idea. 4AM following someone into an elevator when they're heading to their room to go to sleep, when they've just given a talk how tney don't want to be proposed to at conventions? Bad idea.

      It really isn't that hard. And those getting proposed to damn well know the difference between an earnest attempt timed wrong and yet another sleazeball who is trying to hide behind 'but I didn't know it would be unwelcome!'.

      --
      "I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
    4. Re:See you in Kangaroo Court by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      Oh you really must be having a tough time of it.

      I mean really attacking someones phrasing, well using ergo may may not have done him any good but you're not having anything to say certainly hasn't done you any good.

      Of course it's to be expected from someone that projects their sex fantasies onto this conversation

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      weaponized CoCs rammed down the [...] throats
      Not sure if grievance or sex fantasy.

    5. Re: See you in Kangaroo Court by yeshuawatso · · Score: 1

      Oooh! That's an easy one: how do you know if an advance was unwanted? Are you ugly? If so, is always unwanted. Are you considered cute by the other party? Only marginally wanted with limitations. Are you hot? Then you're always flirting and could never take things too far. Don't believe me? Look at the evidence. There only guys get called out, the hot ones walk. The only downside with being attractive is you get harassed by men, women, and everything in between. One of the best things that had ever happened to me is I got a dad bod, lost my hair, and stopped buying new clothes. I haven't been harassed in well over a year.

    6. Re:See you in Kangaroo Court by lgw · · Score: 1

      The actual difference between romantic admirer ad creepy stalker is: is the guy hot.

      But that doesn't matter: the rule for sexual harassment in the workplace isn't anything objective: if a woman complains, you're guilty. It's a strange game; the only winning move is not to play.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    7. Re:See you in Kangaroo Court by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Go away, incel.

      --
      "I know I will be modded down for this": where's the option '-1, Asking for it'?
    8. Re:See you in Kangaroo Court by lgw · · Score: 1

      Plenty of dating opportunities outside the workplace. Which is why "chastity" isn't a bad item for a CoC for the workplace.

      --
      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  53. Over-reating much to the SJW faction, are we? by Qbertino · · Score: 1

    I don't get it. The FOSS-dev community right now seems like a bunch of whiny crybabies just because some 16-year old girlies and wannabees are pursuing a SJW/CoC/PC fad right now. Perhaps you're over-reacting?

    I find the comment of the SQLite crew to this entire charade absolutely fitting and just about all that needs to be said to all this. The rest of you foaming at the mouth about some immature douchebags being stupid on twitter should be a tad more chill about all this. It will pass and if your code is good enough it will still be in use long after any overboard SJW stuff has fallen by the wayside. So please calm down.

    My 2 cents.

    --
    We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
    1. Re:Over-reating much to the SJW faction, are we? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      it's not overreacting when some idiots in major projects actually adopt the SJW/PC/CoC crap

  54. All the CoC you'll ever need for your project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Polite and professional discussion is always welcomed, from anyone.

  55. Good one. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hope the SJWs requesting this are happy now.

  56. Unfunny jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like RMS's abortion comment in glibc. Leave the jokes to the comedians.

  57. More projects should do this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SQlite is only admitting the truth. Western civilization was created by white, christian, men. Its great to see more project accepting this and making it explicit. Christian theology should always be considered a core guiding principle. Hats off to the SQLite community, may the lord jesus christ bless them and keep them in the light of gods love.

    1. Re: More projects should do this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correlation does not imply causation.

    2. Re: More projects should do this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Correlation does not imply causation.

      Why, sure it does!

      Correlation doesn't indicate causation, but very frequently it implies it!

  58. Good by bistromath007 · · Score: 2

    A "Code of Conduct" is something they make you sign in middle school to teach you (and your parents) that governmental authorities can and will abuse the superficial trappings of contract law to scare you into submission. Adults have standards instead. They don't need to be written down unless you're a crook.

    1. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you plan to use them for your own benefit or power tripping experience.

    2. Re:Good by dark.nebulae · · Score: 1

      Back in the day on Usenet, you got flamed, you took your lumps, perhaps apologized, and kept on posting. You learned your lesson. You didn't go cry and then subvert the community via the force of a CoC.

      Sure, I remember the first time I got flamed. I posted a question about how to do something that was fairly obvious per the documentation I didn't read.

      Instead of pointing me to the doco or telling me to RTFM, the responder said "Hey, your answer is here..." and provided a link to goatse.cx

      Having not been aware of it, it was quite disturbing; I still feel dirty having seen it.

      A different kind of person, with a different background, a different sex, etc. could have found it even more disturbing. Honestly it was an inappropriate response that had nothing to do with the matter at hand and it was uncalled for, but a poor attempt at humor (at best) and an outright personal attack (at worst).

      It's behavior like this that CoC's are intended to prevent, not pointing out bad code or bad questions or RTFM and the like.

      Let's not conflate the need for a CoC to address bad behavior with the necessary aspects of dealing with code contributions from diverse sources.

    3. Re:Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CoC's are very useful: they tell you that a software project is going to sh*t and that it's time to get out.

  59. that would be this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 First of all, love the Lord God with your whole heart, your wholesoul and all your strength, 2 and love your neighbor as yourself (Matt 22:37-39; Mark 12:30-31; Luke 10:27).

            3 Then the following: You are not to kill,
            4 not to commit adultery;
            5 you are not to steal
            6 nor to covet (Rom 13:9);
            7 you are not to bear false witness (Matt 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20).
            8 You must honor everyone (1 Pet 2:17),
            9 and never do to another what you do not want done to yourself (Tob 4:16; Matt 7:12; Luke 6:31).

            10 Renounce yourself in order to follow Christ (Matt 16:24; Luke 9:23);
            11 discipline your body (1 Cor 9:27);
            12 do not pamper yourself,
            13 but love fasting.
            14 You must relieve the lot of the poor,
            15 clothe the naked,
            16 visit the sick (Matt 25:36),
            17 and bury the dead.
            18 Go to help the troubled
            19 and console the sorrowing.

            20 Your way of acting should be different from the world’s way;
            21 the love of Christ must come before all else.
            22 You are not to act in anger
            23 or nurse a grudge.
            24 Rid your heart of all deceit.
            25 Never give a hollow greeting of peace
            26 or turn away when someone needs your love.
            27 Bind yourself to no oath lest it prove false,
            28 but speak the truth with heart and tongue.

            29 Do not repay one bad turn with another (1 Thess 5:15; 1 Pet 3:9).
            30 Do not injure anyone, but bear injuries patiently.
            31 Love your enemies (Matt 5:44; Luke 6:27).
            32 If people curse you, do not curse them back but bless them instead.
            33 Endure persecution for the sake of justice (Matt 5:10).

            34 You must not be proud,
            35 nor be given to wine (Titus 1:7; 1 Tim 3:3).
            36 Refrain from too much eating
            37 or sleeping,
            38 and from laziness (Rom 12:11).
            39 Do not grumble
            40 or speak ill of others.

            41 Place your hope in God alone.
            42 If you notice something good in yourself, give credit to God, not to yourself,
            43 but be certain that the evil you commit is always your own and yours to acknowledge.

            44 Live in fear of judgment day
            45 and have a great horror of hell.

  60. This is not (very) new by vakuona · · Score: 4, Informative

    This code of conduct has been up for quite a while https://web.archive.org/web/20.... So clearly, all who were actually contributing to SQLite did not have a problem with it, as they would undoubtedly caused a stink at the time if they did.

    Maybe this is a good way to weed out those who don't really want to contribute and should be ignored.

    Besides, it is clear that is is partly tongue in cheek and partly just providing suggestions for how to build a community, particularly the bits like:

    9. Do not do to another what you would not have done to yourself.
    22. Do not give way to anger.
    23. Do not nurse a grudge.
    24. Do not entertain deceit in your heart.
    29. Do not return evil for evil.
    66. Do not love quarreling.

    1. Re:This is not (very) new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget:

      54. Speak no useless words or words that move to laughter.

      Emphasis mine. Apparently jokes are right out. :^(

    2. Re:This is not (very) new by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      54. Speak no useless words or words that move to laughter.

      Emphasis mine. Apparently jokes are right out. :^(

      Before getting concerned, I'd want to know what the original Latin meant at the time it was written. For example, if the connotation is laughter at other's expense.... That it's grouped with "no useless words" has to mean something.

    3. Re:This is not (very) new by SillyHamster · · Score: 2

      So clearly, all who were actually contributing to SQLite did not have a problem with it, as they would undoubtedly caused a stink at the time if they did.

      The project head added this CoC with unanimous approval from current contributors.

      Secondly, I view a CoC not so much as a legal code as a statement of the values of the core developers. All current committers to SQLite approved the CoC before I published it. A single dissent would have been sufficient for me to change course. Taking down the current CoC would not change our values, it would merely obscure them. Isn't it better to be open and honest about who we are?

    4. Re:This is not (very) new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multum loqui non amare. Verba vana aut risui apta non loqui. Risum multum aut excussum non amare.

      It's too terse and plain to leave much for interpretation :). Amare means to love or to like. (as in French)
      "aut" is "or", loqui is "speak" as in "elocution"
      Vana probably translates perfectly to "vain". I always think that today's English is very much a Latin or Romance language, especially as I can often find a "formal" Latin-derived word when I want to write something on the internets and I don't know ye olde English word.

      The verb for laughing found its way in "risible" and "derision". Note the bad undertone in current language with the latter two words. "risible" or "laughable" is not something you want your speech or actions to be.
      I think it tells you to not make jokes, and the connotation is "don't be a smart ass". It's like you're in school (or at work) and the adults gets pissed at you because you're smiling. (and they believe you're making fun of them)
      So, no jokes. No asking : "How Mary is a virgin? Did Joseph visit her from behind?" or anything like that, if you can't help doing it they will show you the door.
      But what is #55 is like "we don't like laughing a lot or out loud" so seems to leave room for small appropriate and spontaneous laughter, in my interpretation. No laughing at formal times (the meals seem as formal as it gets, with a guy reading stuff while the others are eating or serving and nobody is allowed to fart)

      I'd want to know what the original Latin meant at the time it was written.

      Writing in dead Latin makes stuff intemporal :) (damn, the spell check puts squiggly lines under "intemporal"). I think Latin was dead even at the time, or branched between classical and vulgar. Would be funny if English was a dead language and we used it only for the Internet.
      All my post is perhaps not the best information, so I can say.. caveat emptor

    5. Re:This is not (very) new by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      Your post might not be "the best information", but it's what I was looking for, also seems also this English version compressed the original quite a bit.

      The key would be that "the connotation is 'don't be a smart ass'", which is exactly what we'd expect, being consistent with the rest, vs. something that bans all levity. There's nothing in the English version that suggests to me the monks would never smile, for example.

      Latin may now be a dead language, but surely the meanings and connotations didn't stay entirely static in the long periods before and after this "code of conduct" was written. English ... well, outside the Anglosphere isn't it its like Latin in the post-Rome days, a common tongue to communicate, but not sure even back then if it was only for writing.

      If/when the Anglosphere goes away, if there remains anything like the Internet (a bit doubtful), we might see something like you're wondering about, where the vulgate would be used in many if not most face to face or real time communications, but words you want many people to understand for a long time get committed to written English. Akin to how English has become the common language for computer languages and systems.

      Thanks a lot!

    6. Re:This is not (very) new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry for not being explicit : the Latin here is 53, 54 and 55! I just thought they fit well together (the original just isn't numbered)
      First one, "multum loqui non amare" is something like "Not to like speaking a lot.", or "don't speak too much".

      So, the translation used in the CoC is :
      53. Do not love much talking.
      54. Speak no useless words or words that move to laughter.
      55. Do not love much or boisterous laughter.

      Original is :

      53. Multum loqui non amare
      54. Verba vana aut risui apta non loqui.
      55. Risum multum aut excussum non amare.

      And you can see Latin is compressed already, must have been a factor in its success (what with medieval books written manually on the skins of slaughtered animals)

  61. Wow, that's brilliant. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, that's brilliant.

  62. Re: Nothing wrong with Contributor Covenant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check out the Twitter feed of that Coraline person. It's full of stuff that is prohibited by the code of conduct she (it?) promotes:

    The use of sexualized language or imagery and unwelcome sexual attention or advances
    Trolling, insulting/derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks
    Public or private harassment

    So that person is a hypocrite, definitely NOT an inclusive person, and definitely NOT the example anyone should follow.

    All the things in that code of conduct are either common sense and are already in many other codes of conduct, or they are pure political bullshit and don't need to be in a code of conduct at all - like mentioning gender identity.

    Open source is about the code so keep the conversation about the code, not people.

    And people aren't perfect so interaction with people won't be perfect so if you can't handle that, maybe you need to contribute through a safety organization that will filter all communication to take out anything that triggers you. Maybe even replace it with compliments.

    Definitely don't go to conferences because you will be shocked at how wild the real world is, or maybe go but wear a burka so nobody will recognize you or comment on your body parts they can't see.

    There are ways to solve this problem without adopting political codes of conduct for open source projects, but those ways do not lead to more authority for the SJW so they are rejected.

  63. Re: Don't try to get laid on the project mailing l by hey! · · Score: 1

    If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.

    --
    Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
  64. Bureaucracies should always be ridiculed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They didn't mock the civil rights movement they mocked a boring legal document that explains what getting along should look like by community standards. Which will usually means sexual, cultural, racial, religious sensitivities are to be totally avoided. Find something else to talk about, go do your work.

    They resemble the guys who worship the Constitution.

  65. Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 0, Troll

    The incels and Nazis flocked to the geek community because we were the perfect enablers: having been unfairly targeted by society's means of enforcing norms, we forgot that sometimes the enforcement is fair, and therefore refused to enforce our own norms at all. This provided the perfect environment for them to manchild it up without consequences: finally, having been rejected by everyone else, they found people who considered it a duty not to pressure them to just grow the fuck up already.

    That's what makes this code, like Linux's old application of Wheaton's Law and RMS's "kind communication guidelines", virtually worthless. The creepers love them, of course, because they know they can ignore them: they can continue to abuse the system and the people however they want. They fear any kind of code that comes with enforcement, because they know their behavior will get them rejected by the only people left who haven't rejected them.

    Which is as it should be, really. Not enforcing our social norms was geek culture's biggest mistake: what was supposed to be a haven from bullying instead became a haven for bullies. We should have ostracized and replaced them a long time ago, but better late than never, I suppose. They have dragged things down and ruined everything for everybody long enough.

    1. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 1

      "Incel" is the self-adopted name of the group. How can it be a slur when they use it as their own proper name? Seriously, it's not even a reclamation project like some other groups use.

      "Nazi" is slightly different, in that it historically was indeed used as a slur, but it has long since been successfully reclaimed. The group self-identifies, either directly or through explicitly allied groups. I'm still calling no slur here.

      If I were calling them basement-dwellers or NEETs or unlovable freaks who no one will miss when they are gone, those might be considered slurs. Self-given proper names do not work that way. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

    2. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Ooh, I hit a nerve. Is the deadweight mad at being called out?

    3. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are clearly using them as slurs, just like you're clearly trying to lump everybody who dares to point it out into those groups. You are advocating for CoCs, but in a way which would not be acceptable under any CoC, not even the mock one that the SQLite project adopted. You're a two-faced troll. Fuck off.

    4. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, man, clearly this is just satire. Can't you take a joke? I'm doing the whole devil's advocate thung, nothing more; just a bit a humor mized in, and what's the matter with that?

      Jesus Christ, man; I tell you, these snowflakes have gotten way too sensitive in this day and age.

    5. Re:Unenforceable = useless by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Afflict the afflicted, comfort the comfortable. Speak truth to the powerless!

      --
      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    6. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Um... err... wut

    7. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      STFU you stupid niigger

    8. Re: Unenforceable = useless by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      You inverted the usual "comfort the afflicted, afflict the comfortable" narrative. Your post was all about shitting on society's dregs, people who got the short end of the stick, people who are already miserable. Instead, you should be helping to uplift them. Attack the powerful, not the powerless. Speak the truth to them instead.

      --
      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    9. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Oh I'm so scared.

    10. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 1

      You inverted the usual "comfort the afflicted, afflict the comfortable" narrative. Your post was all about shitting on society's dregs, people who got the short end of the stick, people who are already miserable.

      Ah, I see. But you missed something about my post. There's a difference between bullying and fair ostracism. The geek community was founded mostly by people who had been bullied, and in response to this trauma, they decided to set up a community that would never enforce social norms (so that others could not be unfairly targeted as theu were). This resulted in an influx of people who had been fairly ostracized for flagrantly unacceptable behavior: who were looking for a place to hide from the pressure so they wouldn't have to grow up. And they whined and cajoled and manipulated toward that end, molding us into the perfect enablers, so that we would not give them the treatment they needed to grow as people.

      And now, we're starting to realize just how badly you've played us. The tides are turning, and you are being kicked out into the cold where you always belonged. If you don't like that, there is a solution, and it's the same one everyone else offered you. You have the problem, and you have to change.

      Instead, you should be helping to uplift them. Attack the powerful, not the powerless. Speak the truth to them instead.

      I am speaking the truth to them. I cannot uplift them while doing this, because the truth is inherently not uplifting. They are not the afflicted, but the affliction. They have all the power they lacked in the past, but they have proven themselves unworthy to hold it. The truth will set them free, if there is any decency in them, but first it will break them. It cannot do otherwise.

      I know exactly how hard it is to hear that you were not bullied, but fairly ostracized: that no one really wants you around, and it's all your fault. You appeal to my compassion because you think I wouldn't do this if I knew how it feels, but the opposite is true. I do this because I know how it feels.

    11. Re: Unenforceable = useless by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      What the...me? Who on Earth are you talking to? You've got some conversation going on in your head and I wasn't there for my half.

      You don't attack powerless people who society shits on. You attack the powerful. End of story. If you're attacking the little people, you went wrong somewhere.

      --
      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    12. Re: Unenforceable = useless by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      You don't attack powerless people who society shits on. You attack the powerful.

      How about attacking neither as a general thing, in the interests of societal calm? Especially since in what I gather of this claimed scenario, "the powerful" at that's used in the original phrase aren't really shitting on the powerless, it's much lower level monkey (or lizzard?) brain level stuff.

      The basic framework of dividing people into classes and setting them at each other's throats, which Marx brought to something of an apotheosis, has overall done people no good, while resulting in a bare minimum of 100 million people murdered by their own governments in the 20th Century.

    13. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 1

      What the...me? Who on Earth are you talking to? You've got some conversation going on in your head and I wasn't there for my half.

      No, I'm looking back over this branch of the thread, and I'm pretty sure this is the right one.

      You don't attack powerless people who society shits on. You attack the powerful. End of story. If you're attacking the little people, you went wrong somewhere.

      It's funny; I usually hear that from the SJWs in my social circle. It's actually one of the biggest reasons I'm not an SJW myself. Are you sure you aren't one of them? I mean, this whole bit about making up counterfactual power dynamics to paint yourself as a helpless victim, then using this as justification to render yourself immune from criticism, is spot-on.

      You don't attack the powerless. You don't attack the powerful. You attack the wrongdoers, and power dynamics, real or imagined, be damned. Not that it matters, given that you aren't even evaluating the power dynamics very well: you're coming at this from the side that thinks these projects will die if they leave, and threatening to kill the project by leaving unless you're allowed to creep it up at will and get away with pushing out whomever you want. This is not something a powerless person does, or even seriously considers, because they know it wouldn't work. You think it will. That tells me that you either think you're powerful enough to pull it off, or else you're just incredibly stupid.

      Society stopped shitting on geeks a long time ago. If you're still covered in shit by now, it's because you've been rolling around in your own. Stop doing that.

    14. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 1

      How about attacking neither as a general thing, in the interests of societal calm?

      We tried that for decades. It's why the geek community has become such a creep-infested mess: people who don't attack anyone turned out to be the perfect enablers.

      The basic framework of dividing people into classes and setting them at each other's throats, which Marx brought to something of an apotheosis, has overall done people no good, while resulting in a bare minimum of 100 million people murdered by their own governments in the 20th Century.

      This is quite true. Unfortunately, it has been poisoned by people looking to escape the normal, natural, and appropriate social pressure to grow the fuck up. There isn't a geek alive who doesn't know at least one of Those Geeks, the ones who thought they were being bullied when people avoided them, and now consider anything less than total validation to be a personal attack.

      So, for the time being, this is necessary. Carrots failed, so it's time for the stick.

    15. Re: Unenforceable = useless by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      So...it's totally OK to use SJW tactics right up until the point until they get turned against you - and then suddenly they're not OK. How typical.

      Society stopped shitting on geeks a long time ago.

      LOL remember 2014? Gamergate? Remember the catchphrase? "It's time to go back to bullying geeks again."

      --
      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    16. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 1

      So...it's totally OK to use SJW tactics right up until the point until they get turned against you - and then suddenly they're not OK. How typical.

      First: when did I say that anything I'm doing was okay? Over the course of this thread and the GNU KCG thread and even that poll about CoCs, I've called myself an asshole, a bully, and a hypocrite. I've admitted to violating Slashdot's own TOS six ways from Sunday. I drew a line between fair ostracism versus bullying, only to admit in the very next breath that I was crossing the line I myself drew. These are not the actions of someone who thinks that what he's doing is okay.

      Second, "SJW tactics"? I have a few SJWs in my social circle, yes, but they've generally been horrified by my tactics. I deliberately seek out trigger words, and use them to twist the knife. I've adopted some typical lines from abusers and bullies as catchphrases to turn against your kind. I flat-out tell people that the only way you're ever going to be fixed at this point (noting that I call you broken) is to traumatize you. What kind of SJW does any of this? Sure, they have some severe consistency problems, but when it comes to trauma they don't mess around: crossing that line is their cardinal sin, and I've crossed it enough times to build a megachurch.

      No, I'm not an SJW. I'm not even a liberal. I'm what happens when a conservative comes to their senses about the incels and Nazis.

      LOL remember 2014? Gamergate? Remember the catchphrase? "It's time to go back to bullying geeks again."

      I actually don't remember that catchphrase, but I can't say I'm surprised to find out it existed. Not very many people in our society really understand the difference between ostracism and bullying, and that's not just a conservative-versus-liberal thing or even a victim-versus-perpetrator thing. The whole damn society forgot it, and the effects of this were devastating.

      Back then, I'd have agreed with them. When I say most of society doesn't understand the difference between legitimate ostracism versus bullying, I was no different. I hadn't figured it out back then either.

      Nowadays, well, I'd still agree. Not because it's okay, but because you have made it necessary. That's how bad you've gotten.

    17. Re: Unenforceable = useless by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      There isn't a geek alive who doesn't know at least one of Those Geeks

      I'm an exception, but perhaps that's because I'm older than the generation you're making these claims about.

      On the other hand, I'm not aware of a single infamous incident where SJWs purged a geek guilty of what you claim. If this problem is as widespread as you claim, point at some examples, else we can safely dismiss you.

    18. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 1

      I'm an exception, but perhaps that's because I'm older than the generation you're making these claims about.

      I haven't tied my claims to any generation in particular, nor have I intended to. In poker, they have a saying: "If you've been playing for half an hour and still can't spot the sucker at the table, it's you".

      On the other hand, I'm not aware of a single infamous incident where SJWs purged a geek guilty of what you claim.

      Sure. I'll even pull one straight out of the recene news: Linus Torvalds. And the new kernel CoC wasn't even in place at that time. But even so, someone got to him, and he realized that he'd been doing something wrong. And he apologized, got himself some help, and started work on some actual change, and it looks to me like he's on the road to being forgiven.

      It would be nice if all of Those Geeks worked that way. Sadly, they don't. Some just plain never learn without a metaphorical swift kick in the butt. This is what makes systems to deliver said kicks necessary.

      Though your use of the word "infamous" gives me some pause. Cases don't typically get infamous unless the accused (or, less often, the accuser) is already infamous, and let's not kid ourselves: most of Those Geeks are nobodies. They don't get famous, and tbus, neither do their cases. Conversely, the geeks who do get famous almost never manage that feat without picking up at least a little social grace. Torvalds was an outlier in that regard. But it sounds like one way or another, he got his kick and is now moving forward at last

    19. Re: Unenforceable = useless by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      Sure. I'll even pull one straight out of the recene news: Linus Torvalds.

      Another lie. Why, of course he perfectly matches your claim that:

      The geek community was founded mostly by people who had been bullied, and in response to this trauma, they decided to set up a community that would never enforce social norms (so that others could not be unfairly targeted as theu were). This resulted in an influx of people who had been fairly ostracized for flagrantly unacceptable behavior: who were looking for a place to hide from the pressure so they wouldn't have to grow up. And they whined and cajoled and manipulated toward that end, molding us into the perfect enablers, so that we would not give them the treatment they needed to grow as people.

      Which you now reveal to extends to geeks who failed to "[pick up] at least a little social grace" as you define it. Linux obviously has a lot of that, you're twisting his justified sharp verbal sanctions into a ludicrous claim about his general character.

      Try again.

    20. Re: Unenforceable = useless by Millennium · · Score: 1

      Hey, he's the one who admitted to being one of Those Geeks. You can read it right in his apology letter; you don't have to take my word for it. And you know what? That's good enough for me.

      Look, I'm sorry you lost Linus. Well, okay, no, actually I'm not sorry. And although RMS isn't quite where he needs to be, he does seem to be taking sone steps in the right direction, so it looks like you're about to lose him too. Your gods have begun to abandon you. Are you scared?

  66. Actually its a decent list for conduct by drnb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually if you drop out the parts related to the practice of religion its a pretty good code of conduct for software development.

    2 Love your neighbor as yourself. [ex test before commit]
    3 You are not to kill, [ex crash your customers]
    4 not to commit adultery; [ex don't f with your users]
    5 you are not to steal [ex respect the software license]
    6 nor to covet; [ex don't add a feature just because its in the commercial app you are cloning]
    7 you are not to bear false witness. [ex admit it came from source forge]
    8 You must honor everyone, [ex conform to the coding standard]
    9 and never do to another what you do not want done to yourself. [ex replace tabs/spaces]
    11 discipline your body; [ex proper ergonomics[
    12 do not pamper yourself, [ex sorry, you only get one 4K monitor]
    13 but love fasting. [ex sorry, only a midrange GPU]
    14 You must relieve the lot of the poor, [ex contribute to open source]
    15 clothe the naked, [ex comment your code]
    16 visit the sick, [ex fix your bugs rather than just make them scrum tasks]
    17 and bury the dead. [ex remove the dead code]
    18 Go to help the troubled [ex when someone is stuck on a bug be their second set of eyes]
    19 and console the sorrowing. [ex let the fanboy's PC dual boot]
    20 Your way of acting should be different from the world’s way; [ex cross platform is not all the MS windows variations]
    22 You are not to act in anger [ex sorry, you can't tell customers to RTFM]
    23 or nurse a grudge. [ex desktop Linux, get over it]
    24 Rid your heart of all deceit. [ex stop telling people they will like emacs after a little while]
    25 Never give a hollow greeting of peace [ex "why yes my core code will be cross platforms"]
    26 or turn away when someone needs your love. [ex Target the Android platform too]
    27 Bind yourself to no oath lest it prove false, [ex "I swear I tested all my changes"]
    28 but speak the truth with heart and tongue. [ex run the regression test]
    29 Do not repay one bad turn with another. [ex recommend perl because someone recommended it to you]
    30 Do not injure anyone, but bear injuries patiently. [ex re-run all tests after the merge but before the commit]
    31 Love your enemies. [ex Target the Windows platform too]
    32 If people curse you, do not curse them back but bless them instead. [ex No flamewars on the dev thread]
    33 Endure persecution for the sake of justice. [ex drink the company coffee rather than leave for starbucks when getting behind on things]
    34 You must not be proud, [ex fix bugs outside your niche in the codebase]
    35 nor be given to wine. [ex just dual boot or run a real emulator]
    36 Refrain from too much eating [ex use CPU and RAM responsibly]
    37 or sleeping, [ex don't make your code slow so you can use the currently hyped programming language]
    38 and from laziness. [ex don't try to apply your favorite programming language to everything]
    39 Do not grumble [ex Don't bitch in comments]
    40 or speak ill of others. [ex Your preferred operating system is not always the best choice]
    43 Be certain that the evil you commit is always your own and yours to acknowledge. [ex commit changes only under your login]
    44 Live in fear of judgment day [ex launch day
    45 and have a great horror of hell. [ex developer will have to do customer support immediately after launch]

    1. Re: Actually its a decent list for conduct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Pretty much sums up Western Civilization

    2. Re:Actually its a decent list for conduct by MancunianMaskMan · · Score: 1

      Thanks for this. It is _the only_ insightful comment here so far.

    3. Re:Actually its a decent list for conduct by werepants · · Score: 1

      This kind of post is what slashdot is for. Props to you sir.

    4. Re:Actually its a decent list for conduct by blackorzar · · Score: 1

      Really liked it. Thank you, sharing it now :)

    5. Re:Actually its a decent list for conduct by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 1

      All of my fake internet points for you.

      --
      I am not your blowing wind, I am the lightning.
    6. Re:Actually its a decent list for conduct by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was brilliant. Particularly the last one.

  67. Howl at the moon... by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    SQLite says 'No' and the SJW's Bray...

    --
    ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
  68. Rule #69 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reading Rule #69, I can see why the church had such troubles. A little misinterpretation of words.
    69. Love your juniors.

  69. Did you actually write (Re: A useful shibboleth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "shove a CoC down their throat", AND it was modded up?

    Well done, sir.

  70. Actually its a decent list for conduct [cont] by drnb · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... missed some ...

    Desire eternal life with all the passion of the spirit. [ex. your former peers don't refactor you code away]
    Keep death daily before your eyes. [ex. you refactor your own code]
    Keep constant guard over the actions of your life. [ex. test your functions inputs for validity]
    Know for certain that God sees you everywhere. [ex. source control will out you]
    Disclose wrongful thoughts to your spiritual mentor. [ex. peer review]
    Guard your tongue against evil and depraved speech. [ex. use readable names]
    Do not love much talking. [ex. readable names are not necessarily complete sentences]
    Speak no useless words or words that move to laughter. [ex. use libs, don't roll you own]
    Do not love much or boisterous laughter. [ex. no, you shouldn't do that in javascript]
    Listen willingly to holy reading. [ex. read your Knuth and Stroustrup]
    Fulfill not the desires of the flesh; hate your own will. [ex. customers choose the target OS, not the devs]
    Love chastity. [ex. you might as well get used to it]
    Hate no one. [ex. they may one day work at the company you want to join]
    Be not jealous, nor harbor envy. [ex. when the machine for the new hire arrives, don't swap out the GPU and HD with yours]
    Do not love quarreling. [ex. Its OK if they want to run Windows]
    Shun arrogance. [ex. tabs are wrong, get over it, use spaces]
    Respect your seniors. [ex. college did not make you a great programmer]
    Love your juniors. [ex. after all, they are doing all those tasks you despise]
    Make peace with your adversary before the sun sets. [ex. the current build must be working in the morning]

  71. Re:Nothing wrong with Contributor Covenant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll see what's wrong with it when another man takes his CoC and forces it up your ass.

  72. They got it. by dschiptsov · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The allusion to religion - the safe space of those with low IQ - is perfect. The whole SJW movement is a bullshit, an attempt of not so smart to enter so-called intellectual scene with their own bullshit agenda. The bullshit is so obvious when we consider other competitive endeavours, such as sports. According to SJW manifesto we should stop praising the best athletes and give equal honour to underachievers, underrepresented and what not. Similarly, we should admit women in men-only sport teams, even if overall performance against other men-only teams would degrade, because it is socially just. We could go further - let's ensure that older, less prettier (with less refined biological fenotype) women will get the same amount of attention, price, gits and love as young maidens with certain evolutionary refined phenotypes which indicate good genes (beauty is just lack of deformities - youth + health, after all). Let's ignore genetic evolution, biological and social competition, let's sweep it all under the rug and replace it with manifests of praising mediocrity and inferiority (instead of leaving the system to be self-regulated - the best we could do). Attempt to impose stupid regulations on a complex systems no one really fully understand is another sign of stupidity demonstrated by religious moralists and other not so smart people. The intelligence is in seeing things as they are, not as some want them to be, and to quickly adapt accordingly. There are innumerable examples of how really diverse and complex social environments very quickly settle down to an unwritten behavioral patterns without any of self-appointed social justices or any moral authority of idiots. Look no farther that any asian megapolis, places like Kathmandu (they have deep environmental problems but not the social ones) or Tokyo or Shanghai, Singapore, etc, etc. No superimposed written bullshit is required. And, yes, some people have better IQ or fenotypes and bringing them back down to the level of major mediocrity is, ironically, as bad as any other suppression of minorities and underrepresented groups.

  73. Again, objectors only want to be offensive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see you have no arguments but merely wish to be offensive. I can live without this. I assert the entire world would benefit also.

  74. open source is about the ... what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I no longer believe that open source is about the code, or at least I now understand it's not solely about the code. Open source is as much a method of cooperating, or perhaps even a life philosophy, as it is about writing good code. If we can jettison the arseholes, nothing will be lost. The code will be as good and the cooperation will be enhanced.

    Goodbye arseholes. You can go play in your arsehole friendly playpits.

    Regarding the assertions that Coraline is a hypocrite (etc): I'm off now to read up on this. If she is a hypocrite then the same CoCs she supports will constrain her. This would be a good thing. I can't see how it can go wrong.

    As for your insults regarding the thickness (or not) of my skin: I deal with bullshit and arseholes all the time. It's tiring and gets in the way of me producing the best code. I'm happy to have them be offended by their inability to offend others instead of having them free to offend others all day long. They use their offensiveness to suppress technical discussion and avoid the consequences of their actions. Yes, I challenge the idea that good results will be lost by suppressing (oppressing?) the arseholes. They get disproportionate attention because they are arseholes and shout others down. If they are stopped from being arseholes, the playing field would be more level.

    1. Re: open source is about the ... what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guard your tongue against evil and depraved speech.

      The Benedictine code does not force ill defined inclusivity and does not seek to undermine meritocracy. It does regulate behaviour of interactions of the people. Therefore for your declared aims it should be better than the SJW Covenant. Yet you support the later. This casts doubts about you being sincere with us, AC.

    2. Re:open source is about the ... what exactly? by lorien420 · · Score: 1

      Fundamentally the term "open source" was coined to try to take away the political meaning. Free software has always been political. I suspect this distinction is playing out in these debates too.

      --
      "[We'll be] really getting inside your head and making it an unpleasant place to be" -- Trent Reznor
    3. Re:open source is about the ... what exactly? by mangastudent · · Score: 2

      If she is a hypocrite then the same CoCs she supports will constrain her.

      Who's going to bell the cat? She's already been called out for advocating physically assaulting a journalist who interviewed someone she labels a "Nazi", and it won't take much research to learn that she's incapable of being civil to other people. Read for example her story of her short tenure at GitHub. Or start with her drive by shooting of the Opal project.

    4. Re:open source is about the ... what exactly? by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      Fundamentally the term "open source" was coined to try to take away the political meaning.

      Or because the open source crowd disagreed with the political objectives of the "free software" crowd. We for example define quality differently, and much more conventionally.

    5. Re: open source is about the ... what exactly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're new here, aren't you?

      Let us know when you've done your research. We're tired of reasoning with the likes of Coraline. They entertain no defense from the "privileged", and they have the blessings of the MSM and large companies. They'll get you fired if you ever offend them. Take care.

  75. LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is amazing! Good job SQLite team!

  76. Why not the SUBGENIUS COMMANDMENTS? by ArghBlarg · · Score: 0

    ON THE CORRUPTION OF THE CHURCH OF THE SUBGENIUS

    The Church insists that each member construct his or her own
    mythos and liturgy, if she/he hasn't already. The Church states
    that any and all existing Church liturgy (which includes anything
    said by any SubGenius anywhere) can be contradicted, rewritten,
    and/or ignored. IT'S RIGHT THERE ON THE TABLETS!

    Commandment 1: The rest of these Commandments are bullshit.

    Commandment 2: Commandment 1 is nonsense.

    Commandment 3: See Commandment 3.

    Commandment 4: Don't break commandment 5.

    Commandment 5: Don't read commandment 4.

    Commandment 6: Commandment 2 is especially bullshit.

    Commandment 7: See Commandment 3 again. Who told you to stop?

    Commandment 8: Commandments 2 and 5 are to be reversed.

    Commandment 9: Write Commandment 10.

    Commandment 10:

    --
    ERROR 144 - REBOOT ?
  77. Roses are Red, Violets are Blue... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Marxism was founded by Karl Marx the Jew.

  78. Sweet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm switching my projects to this.

  79. Ah, mission statements... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Somewhere near the middle the 80's or 90's the State Government of California required many, if not all, state agencies/entities to come up with a Mission Statement.
    (No, Jerry Brown was definitely not the Gov at the time. A Republican you probably never heard of was. To be fair to him, he probably lacked the imagination to propose such and idea, and also probably had not idea what a mission statement was. )
    The statement had to short an pithy. I'm familiar with the laws pertaining to my profession. The Licensing Board has a few DOZEN duties and functions. Yep, squeeze that down that down to one sentence.

    1. Re:Ah, mission statements... by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      "To Regulate Business fairly and with efficiency"

      There, solved that for you.,

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
  80. Small, Fast, Reliable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Go the SqLite webpage (you can click on a link in the headline of this post)

    2. read what it says in the right upper corner

    3. You're welcome

  81. A better solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quality software can only be produced by those who adhere to the Marquess of Queensberry Rules, IMHO.

  82. Walk Away from CoCs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Free Software developers of the world, open your eyes! Our communities are being raped, our work pillaged.

    Detestable villains - thieving, mean spirited, belligerent, racist, unprincipled - are using underhanded tricks to force hypocritical "Codes of Conduct" on the projects we built.

    These petty-authoritarian CoCs are always imposed anti-democratically. There is never free debate, and usually no public discussion at all. They are imposed by force without a vote. If the CoCs were put up for a fair democratic vote by project contributors, they would always lose by a landslide.

    The purpose of these CoCs is to allow social activists, who have contributed nothing to the project, to conduct witch hunts against anyone who opposes their hate-driven agenda. Thereby they plan to steal our work for their shadowy corporate paymasters.

    You can readily tell these CoCs are not about "just being nice" - because they are ALWAYS supported by the very LEAST NICE, most aggressively mean and shamelessly bigoted people you can imagine. Look how the CoC-mongers treat anyone who disagrees with them as subhuman.

    If a project to which you contribute has been raped by CoC-mongers there is a simple solution: WALK AWAY. Never contribute again. If you have a patch almost ready, count the time you spent on it as a loss and throw it away. If you see a security issue, remain silent and do nothing. IT'S NO LONGER YOUR PROJECT. YOU ARE NOT WELCOME THERE.

    If you are evaluating new software, don't even consider any projects burdened under the tyranny of a CoC. Their technical attributes do not matter - just don't consider them. Never be openly political, always make up a technical reason for rejecting CoCed projects.

    Don't argue in public about the CoC. Doing so only exposes you to needless risk. You might be dis-employed, blackballed, and even set up for a #MeToo purge. Just stay far away. If you resign from a project that gets CoCed, try to do so on the same day the CoC is imposed. But give "spend more time with friends & family" or "pursue other interests & projects" as your reason for resignation. Protect yourself!

    Comrades: Individually we are powerless, and easily crushed beneath the iron boot of Corporate Social Just-Us. But together in solidarity we are millions and we are strong. The Internet itself depends on our collective labor. If we stop working, the internet stops working.

    Free Software developers, save yourselves and save your communities! Just WALK AWAY from any project with a CoC. Without our labor they are nothing.

  83. It's funny that... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the "politically motivated claptrap" mentioned has a list of open source projects that I myself, with a few exceptions (such as curl and "Google", which is not really a single project, nor all open source), perceived as badly made, irrelevant, or just having better options way before I heard anything about this.
    Maybe it's true that people who dedicate their thoughts to this sort of thing don't spend as much thought on what they should be working with.

  84. Mixed, but funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't find it funny because it talks of a god and I don't think there is a place for any god in sw development. But I find it extremely funny considering the outrage of the many SWJ out there wanting a CoC to quickly smash somebodies life for a funny joke he did 25 years ago on a Atari mailing list.

    Now maybe they can commendam him to say 5 pater nostrum.

  85. Great code, useless but great by ColdCat · · Score: 1

    When there is only 4 people who commit to the repo, and 1 guy alone do 2/3 of the job you can put every Rules of conduct it doesn't matter. Opensource project are always maintained by very few people, if you want to enforce code of conduct to creator/principal maintainer they will leave and the project will die.

    A working 'code of conduct' could only be pushed by the top, not by external people who never work on the codebase.

  86. Is /. now run by the KKK? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So msmash, you are referring to Martin Luther King, as " this politically motivated sort of claptrap?"

    Glad to see you are paying your dues to KKK..... Glad your president supports the Nazi's too?

    You are a (white) hero!

    Pity the old owners sold, this racist shit would not have gone down. :-(

    Maybe one day, the new owners will engage in some personal growth, rather than spewing forth, so much free floating anger? Maybe.

    GreekGeek.

  87. Protective, huh? by MikeRT · · Score: 2

    Having a CoC is protective coloration, you do it to avoid trouble whether you believe in it or not.

    That's why all of the mainstream CoCs don't allow any discrimination against anyone for any reason, including experience level. (You ageist bastards who think 1 year post college almost certainly doesn't qualify you to maintain a kernel subsystem and arbitrate patching disputes can fuck right off and die as the SJWs say)

    I mean look at the Spotify CoC which openly says clearly that if you're a super-marginalized person (gay, transgendered, multi-racial, non-binary voodoo practitioner for example) you can shit all over the carpet and those evil normies can fuck right off and die:

    Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:

            ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’
            Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you”
            Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts
            Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial
            Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions

    1. Re:Protective, huh? by Cederic · · Score: 2

      Luckily there's no such thing as reverse racism or reverse sexism, so if someone is openly anti-male, anti-asian or anti-white then you can criticise their racism and sexism without fear of falling foul of the CoC.

    2. Re:Protective, huh? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for telling me, I knew there was a reason I don't use spotify (and clearly, neither should any of those evil normies).

      --
      SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
    3. Re:Protective, huh? by atriusofbricia · · Score: 1

      Having a CoC is protective coloration, you do it to avoid trouble whether you believe in it or not.

      That's why all of the mainstream CoCs don't allow any discrimination against anyone for any reason, including experience level. (You ageist bastards who think 1 year post college almost certainly doesn't qualify you to maintain a kernel subsystem and arbitrate patching disputes can fuck right off and die as the SJWs say)

      I mean look at the Spotify CoC which openly says clearly that if you're a super-marginalized person (gay, transgendered, multi-racial, non-binary voodoo practitioner for example) you can shit all over the carpet and those evil normies can fuck right off and die:

      Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort. We will not act on complaints regarding:

              ‘Reverse’ -isms, including ‘reverse racism,’ ‘reverse sexism,’ and ‘cisphobia’

              Reasonable communication of boundaries, such as “leave me alone,” “go away,” or “I’m not discussing this with you”

              Refusal to explain or debate social justice concepts

              Communicating in a ‘tone’ you don’t find congenial

              Criticizing racist, sexist, cissexist, or otherwise oppressive behavior or assumptions

      Huh, it would strongly appear that as long as you're a SJW blessed entity you can pretty much get away with murder while if you're one of the evil non-SJW classes you will be ignored and are a fair target for any kind of harassment, abuse or anything else so long as one cloaks it in SJW non-sense.

      Yeah, and people wonder why lots of other people look at CoCs as nothing but political correctness bullshit

      --
      I was raised on the command line, bitch

      "Nemo me impune lacesset"

    4. Re:Protective, huh? by Megol · · Score: 1

      This.

  88. This is Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is great you fucking twats! Fucking SJW can go fuck themselves and their goddamn safe space, CoC!

  89. Yeah, well ... by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    This code of conduct has proven its mettle in thousands of diverse communities for over 1,500 years, and has served as a baseline for many civil law codes since the time of Charlemagne.

    Yeah, well ... uh ... er ... but what do celebs think of it, huh? Gotcha there!

  90. Enough is enough by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop measuring your CoCs and keep doing work

    Why is this even a competition? Why bother with it?

    If this is the price of diversity and inclusion, then we don't want those things

    I remember a time when nerds did nerdy things and they did them well. Make the digital space great again.

  91. NPC culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is how you sow derision.

    The end product of these hateful SJW trolls will be division and extremism. They're pushing normally indifferent people towards extremism AGAINST their ideals.

    Perhaps this is the Russian meddling ppl are talking about?

    Perhaps NPC meme has more to it than meets the eye?

    Can anyone confirm the SJW that dislike this kind of thing actually exist? This is not a joke.

  92. Good by Miser · · Score: 1

    Joke or not, SCREW code of conducts.

    If your code is crap, your code is crap and you should be called out for it.

    Behind a keyboard, no one knows if you are trans, straight, male, female, bi, whatever ... it should not matter.

    Because if your code is crap .....

    I do not understand how this poison is permeating these communities. Back in the day on Usenet, you got flamed, you took your lumps, perhaps apologized, and kept on posting. You learned your lesson. You didn't go cry and then subvert the community via the force of a CoC.

  93. This CoC is good by jtrainor · · Score: 1

    It makes dumb people mad, as it's intended to. Just take a look at the comments on this post!

  94. So called moderates are pretty extremist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why be arrogant and think yours is better. Let people have their own believes and code of conducts.

  95. By Neruos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the Trump admin attacking the existence of Trans people, now we have to worry about CoC with software?

  96. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad it's smoking out the assholes who think a code of conduct is something relevant to software development. They should be purged from any project wherein they are found.

  97. I feel a sudden urge to develop for SQLite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's my calling! :)

  98. CoC by shaitand · · Score: 1

    Okay, something like a code of conduct is supposed to be some print you bust out so you have an excuse to boot someone who is getting in the way of productive interaction like an overt troll or spammer. Normal users should never need to read it and it should never be applied to them even if they technically violated it.

    Seriously, stop being douches. For the most part all this crap people are pushing has nothing to do with software development. Code is objective, it works or doesn't work. See ReiserFS for why we shouldn't care about the nature of the developer. Sure he might be a murderer but his code doesn't care.

  99. Re:If the idea of a CoC upsets you... by shaitand · · Score: 1

    CoC's are to boot spammers and overt trolls. You dust them off to find some excuse in the legalese to boot them and otherwise leave the terms buried and enforce roughly on the order of jaywalking. Nobody wants or needs a hall monitor in a software development project.

  100. Tools for good work indeed by jensend · · Score: 2

    Been a while since I read this last. On this reading, this struck me as relevant in the slacktivist era:

    "61. Do not wish to be called holy before one is holy; but first to be holy, that you may be truly so called."

    As with some other provisions of this Rule, and as with that other defining work at the other end of the Middle Ages, The Imitation of Christ, great emphasis was placed on avoiding self-righteousness and on discovering your own faults rather than expecting to be praised for discovering the faults of others.

    Perhaps in today's world it's seen as offensive to adopt a code of conduct that tells you to respect all people (a clearer translation of #8 from the Latin) and hate no one (#64) rather than defining special protected classes. Perhaps it's seen as offensive to have a code that says to make peace with one's adversary before the sun sets in the era when we're being encouraged to protect certain viewpoints while harassing those perceived to be on the "wrong side" and ensuring "they're not welcome anymore, anywhere."

    More ethical thought went into the composition of this code 1500 years ago than into the codes of today, that's for certain.

  101. Fuck Codes of Conduct by EllisDees · · Score: 1

    They serve no purpose other than as a hammer to be used against people who practice wrongthink.

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    -- Give me ambiguity or give me something else!
  102. So, no more using SQLite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't really abide with flocking or burning witches at the stakes... Anyway, there are better systems out there...

  103. It's not a joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a troll. And from what I have seen here, a very successful one.

  104. Copyright by p_redaelli · · Score: 1

    Well.... SQLite Is Public Domain, we fool! :) The code of conduct is also basically completely useless because of what is stated in https://www.sqlite.org/copyrig... : "Open-Source, not Open-Contribution SQLite is open-source, meaning that you can make as many copies of it as you want and do whatever you want with those copies, without limitation. But SQLite is not open-contribution. In order to keep SQLite in the public domain and ensure that the code does not become contaminated with proprietary or licensed content, the project does not accept patches from unknown persons. "

  105. NPC at work ? by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    You could at least do better than just restating my comment

  106. I can have a job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I need a job. Where can get a job that is "getting paid to sit at home combing through open source projects searching for cases of wrongthink and working behind the scenes in ideological star chambers to kick their ideological enemies."

    Since I'm unemployed, I'll wait for your response, but I already know that you won't respond. You can't show me these jobs you just made up.

    1. Re:I can have a job? by mangastudent · · Score: 1

      When the Linus surrender happened Coarline proposed to set up an organization to help reduce the "burden" administering a CoC places on a FOSS project. I suggest you contact her, you could get in on the ground floor.

  107. Re: Nothing wrong with Contributor Covenant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    She's one of the worst violators of Twitter's own hate speech policies. She's just like Trump or Alex Jones.