All things put aside, my very original point was that I'm pissed off. Which I am. And mmadox' original comment really has the point. The article talks as if all Korean students and youngsters who are frustrated with their culture expresses their frustration by killing people online and even brings real life violence. The keywords: All Korean students. Just read the top of the thread post by mmadox again. --------------------
Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
My post was towarded to the article and just people in general. (I see that it seemed to be directed to the poster before me)
It's how people take the news, more than what is on the news, I should have said.
"What? Korean people are addiced to video games? Damn Asians. Damn proud to live in the states."
"What? Our president is an idiot? Nah, it can't be. I voted for the guy myself."
A piece about foriegn people seems so remote to the reader. Especially if it highlights cultural difference, it is just like quotes taken out of context, the journalists use it to distort facts. They are non technical writers; they got to make it into a story. This, of course, works both ways. Korean journalism's report on foreign countries do not do USA justice either.
But the article does highlight the violence that is resulting from such addiction to games. It makes a big deal out of it. They shouldn't. Because it isn't news, violence was always there. Before those kids got into games, few were in gangs beating kids up and the rest probably got beat up. Boys will be boys, and students get beat up in USA, Iraq, Korea, and everywhere else. It's called processing of growing up. But USA allows wierd things like legally possesing guns. I know very few Americans who actually own guns. But Columbine did happen, and I was threatened with a gun once. As mentioned, students will get beaten up. It doesn't matter why or how they get beaten up, and the reason will change as generation does. My point was that in Korea, nobody will pull a gun on you for cheating in a game. --------------------
Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
Well, actually you _can't_ judge a culture without having lived in it.
It would be really stupid for a foriegner to judge America. There are lots of stereo typing of Americans in Korea and I've learned that they are really misunderstand (some of them at least). Unless you are a member of the culture or has studied it in great detail, you can't judge a culture.
For example, Asian countries find how English speaker can casually refer to everyone by name. (Be it your older siblings, people more old/higher in position than you) But I know that it isn't necessarily as bad as they think. (Not to mention, sets of etiquette is different in upper classes, and more refined people do exist)
And don't really think of Korean-American as Koreans. (Unless its temporary stay for about year or two)
I believe that immigrants should accept American culture and move on. I know that Koreans form a tight community, having their whitepages of Korean businesses and going to Korean churches and the list goes on... When they are doing everything they can do to stay separated, natives just can't help but to shun them, and well that's why American people hate them (this is one of the reason).
Heck, if American people came over and made their own community, they would get their share of violence too.
So before blaming on ignorance of American people, maybe immigrants should try to fit in more. If you say that you can't just drop your whole culture, well why are you here?? A country is a pakage deal. It comes with culture _and_ everything else. You can't just shut its culture out. If you do, your neighbor is not going to like you for a very obvious reason.
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Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
cough. FYI that's more correctly pronounched as "gomo" (go-mo) and "imo" (i-mo). Two syllables each, all short vowels.
Also the most frustrating thing when I learned english is that there isn't another word for each older [brother/sister] when you are [male/female]. In Korea, they would be 4 words for refering to your older sibling depending on wheather it's [he/she] and wheather you are [male/female]. In English they are two
(bro/sis). There is just "brother" in Korean, but it would be just akward and not correct to use it to refer to them in person. You refering to your big brother with his name would be equivalent of saying to your dad "hey, bob." Also importantly you would call someone of older age with the same words. So I (male) would refer to an older (even by few years) girl as I would my older sister. It was very akward for me to speak to anyone older than me with names.
Americans trying to pronounce Korean vowels (even though they are as simple as it can get, IMHO) is the most frustrating scene for me. --------------------
Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
Hey, I'm a Korean. It is pretty damned offensive. No, I'm not some Korean-American punk. 100% Korean blood with citizenship.
It isn't like how it is told, although it's pretty close... Korea has many problems, and many intellectuals will admit to that. However, this isn't really one of them. The article talks of how real life violence is involved with virtual games.
Well, at least they beat each other up... We are not the ones legalizing guns.
Every countries have problems. USA is a big country and it has grown to be a rather phenomenon .
Methinks media should write about the horrors of your President Bush before writing about the horrors of addictive gaming tendencies of Koreans. --------------------
Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
dubbing... is... _NOT_... fine...
Believe me. (because I've seen english movies dubbed to korean.) When you know and saw English movie and compare it to korean dubbed one, it doesn't work. It's the voice. I hate the voice of the dubbed actors. Thankfully, the movie theaters doesn't dub. They dub the movies for TV. ("Network premiere", "Saturday night movie" type things) --------------------
Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
Damn right, bro, Amen.
All these people... They are loosers. They have no life, so they go around and does something so insignificant that was [illegal/wrong/3733T] and laugh their heads off (and finishes smoking the crack). Just as you people promote the difference between hacker and crackers, I demand that there be a difference between cyberpunks and everyone who isn't. These teens who thinks that they are eleet because they RuLe at Half life, and makes "awesome" images with photoshop and flash, and overclocks their pitiful I386 and because they succeeded installing a Redhat, thinks that they rule the world. I demand that there be a distintion between me and everyone who uses the phrase "0wnz j00". I wish that I, who sincerely wants to learn the study of computers and mathematics, be clearly seperated from these cyberpunk-ass-bitches.
I am taking classes in CS, and all these people who are just plain loosers who are excited by articles from MaximumPC. I am just interested in Unix and its internals. I just want to learn C and learn theory and stuff. But I am just disgusted by the rest of the class.
Thank you for reading my rant.
You actually don't know anything about other countries, so keep yer mouth shut. The fact is, USA is not particularly a nice place to live in. Actually, you just can't tell, because it is such a big place, you just can't say. A ghetto is going to be very different from Beverly Hills, and Utah from New York. And if you look at your random neighborhood, it will be generally more corrupted than a random neighborhood of other countries. By corrupted I mean drugs and guns and beer and so on. I personally don't know about China, Taiwan, Japan, or Germany, Sweden, Spain. But I do know about Korea. (Mostly, because I am citizen of it, and though my residence is in USA at the moment, do not even think of becoming a citizen of USA) Well, lets just say, at least civillian teenagers don't bring guns to school and shoot at other students. Of all my life there, I didn't notice "sexuallity" being celebrated any more openly than here... So don't even start with your "Puritan" America, cus you guys are really twisted and sick people as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
Well, I've been using MS OS for all my life (taught myself too!:-P though I was impressed with win2k) but I really want to be a wizard, you know contributing to Open Source and stuff. Which is why I am teaching myself Linux.
When you are a newbie and really enthusiastic to learn about *nix, having a load of software is good. I use Redhat and I just clicked "everything" when I was installing. In fact, it is _crucial_ that you have everything. I don't _want_ another point & click OS with a paperclip. And I want to learn every which way of doing things. I want to learn to use Lynx just in case.
One of the things that really hinders a newbie (and it still is hindering me...) is installing new software. RPM's are simple, but when it comes in tar with its.configure and Makefile and stuff, I am lost. I read Install and Readme, but I just can't get it to work. I remember I was trying to install AbiWord and I just couldn't get it to work. That was in Redhat 6. In Redhat 7, I found out that it came with it. I could finely type...
And do we really want Linux to be another "windows" and appeal to every average user? Seems to me that only way to do that is to be make Linux as close to Windows as possible. That means it will eventually only be another Windows. I once heard a good analogy about comparing Linux to a Ferrari (Or was is Porche). Ferrari manufacturers don't lower price or make budget lines to appeal to general public. And Linux shouldn't try particularly to appeal to every user out there.
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All things put aside, my very original point was that I'm pissed off. Which I am. And mmadox' original comment really has the point. The article talks as if all Korean students and youngsters who are frustrated with their culture expresses their frustration by killing people online and even brings real life violence. The keywords: All Korean students. Just read the top of the thread post by mmadox again.
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Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
My post was towarded to the article and just people in general. (I see that it seemed to be directed to the poster before me)
It's how people take the news, more than what is on the news, I should have said.
"What? Korean people are addiced to video games? Damn Asians. Damn proud to live in the states."
"What? Our president is an idiot? Nah, it can't be. I voted for the guy myself."
A piece about foriegn people seems so remote to the reader. Especially if it highlights cultural difference, it is just like quotes taken out of context, the journalists use it to distort facts. They are non technical writers; they got to make it into a story. This, of course, works both ways. Korean journalism's report on foreign countries do not do USA justice either.
But the article does highlight the violence that is resulting from such addiction to games. It makes a big deal out of it. They shouldn't. Because it isn't news, violence was always there. Before those kids got into games, few were in gangs beating kids up and the rest probably got beat up. Boys will be boys, and students get beat up in USA, Iraq, Korea, and everywhere else. It's called processing of growing up. But USA allows wierd things like legally possesing guns. I know very few Americans who actually own guns. But Columbine did happen, and I was threatened with a gun once. As mentioned, students will get beaten up. It doesn't matter why or how they get beaten up, and the reason will change as generation does. My point was that in Korea, nobody will pull a gun on you for cheating in a game.
--------------------
Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
Well, actually you _can't_ judge a culture without having lived in it.
It would be really stupid for a foriegner to judge America. There are lots of stereo typing of Americans in Korea and I've learned that they are really misunderstand (some of them at least). Unless you are a member of the culture or has studied it in great detail, you can't judge a culture.
For example, Asian countries find how English speaker can casually refer to everyone by name. (Be it your older siblings, people more old/higher in position than you) But I know that it isn't necessarily as bad as they think. (Not to mention, sets of etiquette is different in upper classes, and more refined people do exist)
And don't really think of Korean-American as Koreans. (Unless its temporary stay for about year or two)
I believe that immigrants should accept American culture and move on. I know that Koreans form a tight community, having their whitepages of Korean businesses and going to Korean churches and the list goes on... When they are doing everything they can do to stay separated, natives just can't help but to shun them, and well that's why American people hate them (this is one of the reason).
Heck, if American people came over and made their own community, they would get their share of violence too.
So before blaming on ignorance of American people, maybe immigrants should try to fit in more. If you say that you can't just drop your whole culture, well why are you here?? A country is a pakage deal. It comes with culture _and_ everything else. You can't just shut its culture out. If you do, your neighbor is not going to like you for a very obvious reason.
--------------------
Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
cough. FYI that's more correctly pronounched as "gomo" (go-mo) and "imo" (i-mo). Two syllables each, all short vowels.
Also the most frustrating thing when I learned english is that there isn't another word for each older [brother/sister] when you are [male/female]. In Korea, they would be 4 words for refering to your older sibling depending on wheather it's [he/she] and wheather you are [male/female]. In English they are two
(bro/sis). There is just "brother" in Korean, but it would be just akward and not correct to use it to refer to them in person. You refering to your big brother with his name would be equivalent of saying to your dad "hey, bob." Also importantly you would call someone of older age with the same words. So I (male) would refer to an older (even by few years) girl as I would my older sister. It was very akward for me to speak to anyone older than me with names.
Americans trying to pronounce Korean vowels (even though they are as simple as it can get, IMHO) is the most frustrating scene for me.
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Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
Hey, I'm a Korean. It is pretty damned offensive. No, I'm not some Korean-American punk. 100% Korean blood with citizenship.
It isn't like how it is told, although it's pretty close... Korea has many problems, and many intellectuals will admit to that. However, this isn't really one of them. The article talks of how real life violence is involved with virtual games.
Well, at least they beat each other up... We are not the ones legalizing guns.
Every countries have problems. USA is a big country and it has grown to be a rather phenomenon .
Methinks media should write about the horrors of your President Bush before writing about the horrors of addictive gaming tendencies of Koreans.
--------------------
Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
dubbing... is... _NOT_... fine... Believe me. (because I've seen english movies dubbed to korean.) When you know and saw English movie and compare it to korean dubbed one, it doesn't work. It's the voice. I hate the voice of the dubbed actors. Thankfully, the movie theaters doesn't dub. They dub the movies for TV. ("Network premiere", "Saturday night movie" type things)
--------------------
Wow. Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of morons.
--Thomas Lee
Damn right, bro, Amen. All these people... They are loosers. They have no life, so they go around and does something so insignificant that was [illegal/wrong/3733T] and laugh their heads off (and finishes smoking the crack). Just as you people promote the difference between hacker and crackers, I demand that there be a difference between cyberpunks and everyone who isn't. These teens who thinks that they are eleet because they RuLe at Half life, and makes "awesome" images with photoshop and flash, and overclocks their pitiful I386 and because they succeeded installing a Redhat, thinks that they rule the world. I demand that there be a distintion between me and everyone who uses the phrase "0wnz j00". I wish that I, who sincerely wants to learn the study of computers and mathematics, be clearly seperated from these cyberpunk-ass-bitches. I am taking classes in CS, and all these people who are just plain loosers who are excited by articles from MaximumPC. I am just interested in Unix and its internals. I just want to learn C and learn theory and stuff. But I am just disgusted by the rest of the class. Thank you for reading my rant.
You actually don't know anything about other countries, so keep yer mouth shut. The fact is, USA is not particularly a nice place to live in. Actually, you just can't tell, because it is such a big place, you just can't say. A ghetto is going to be very different from Beverly Hills, and Utah from New York. And if you look at your random neighborhood, it will be generally more corrupted than a random neighborhood of other countries. By corrupted I mean drugs and guns and beer and so on. I personally don't know about China, Taiwan, Japan, or Germany, Sweden, Spain. But I do know about Korea. (Mostly, because I am citizen of it, and though my residence is in USA at the moment, do not even think of becoming a citizen of USA) Well, lets just say, at least civillian teenagers don't bring guns to school and shoot at other students. Of all my life there, I didn't notice "sexuallity" being celebrated any more openly than here... So don't even start with your "Puritan" America, cus you guys are really twisted and sick people as far as the rest of the world is concerned.
Oh my god. That was _the_ most hilarious thing I've heard in last 5 monthes or so. Thanks for making my day.
*cough* ever heard of 100FX? Ethernet on fibre.
This is by far the most funny AYBase joke I ever heard.
Well, I've been using MS OS for all my life (taught myself too! :-P though I was impressed with win2k) but I really want to be a wizard, you know contributing to Open Source and stuff. Which is why I am teaching myself Linux.
.configure and Makefile and stuff, I am lost. I read Install and Readme, but I just can't get it to work. I remember I was trying to install AbiWord and I just couldn't get it to work. That was in Redhat 6. In Redhat 7, I found out that it came with it. I could finely type...
When you are a newbie and really enthusiastic to learn about *nix, having a load of software is good. I use Redhat and I just clicked "everything" when I was installing. In fact, it is _crucial_ that you have everything. I don't _want_ another point & click OS with a paperclip. And I want to learn every which way of doing things. I want to learn to use Lynx just in case.
One of the things that really hinders a newbie (and it still is hindering me...) is installing new software. RPM's are simple, but when it comes in tar with its
And do we really want Linux to be another "windows" and appeal to every average user? Seems to me that only way to do that is to be make Linux as close to Windows as possible. That means it will eventually only be another Windows. I once heard a good analogy about comparing Linux to a Ferrari (Or was is Porche). Ferrari manufacturers don't lower price or make budget lines to appeal to general public. And Linux shouldn't try particularly to appeal to every user out there.