there's something fundamentally different about refusing service for something that can be changed compared to something that cannot. Also, you are not being refused service, you are being offered service with terms and conditions.
well are the overheads designed with those kinds of loads in mind? i said turbulence not a crash. laptop won't take someone's head off... might crush someone's throat, cause a serious concussion if it was moving really really fast. flesh and bone are pretty resilient. also might help if it were aluminum...
13 lbs of laptop falling 2-3 feet won't be pleasant if it lands on your head, but i don't think it'll kill you too easily unless you're unlucky. 50-60 lbs of metal falling 2-3 feet is pretty lethal anywhere near the head.
i'd be more concerned with turbulence. you're going to stow that chunk of solid metal in the overhead? that thing ever pops out of that bin, and it will kill someone, no might or maybes about it. also, what kind of lunatic would think that that would pass muster?
again, if you want realistic we can go even more realistic. a composting business doesn't need to be huge or even a business to really pollute the air so to speak. i was thinking semi urban for the dance club, but lets just take the key elements of the nightclub. sound and lights. it's christmas time, lets say your neighbor has a true eye sore, animatronic, and lit up like a spot light. Yeah, i'd complain about that. sound, people coming and going at all hours of the day and night, loud as loud can be... basically you're living next to a frat house, with you know unsavory types, because Colorado legalized, it should be legal everywhere... dude. I'd probably complain the hell about that too.
where do you draw the line, you believe that what you were doing was fair and reasonable, and what others perceived about you was unreasonable. but isn't that true about everyone? that lady down the street with the vegatable patch in front. Her lawn basically looks like it was torn up by a tank. That family down the street, they've got a damn couch in the middle of a tick haven. is that fine?
how about the broken windows on that property down the street that went into foreclosure and now the bank owns. it's got squatters now, should nobody take the bank to task?
and his neighbor? He's the worst. he's got litter all over his lawn, a couch and a broken down chevy on cinderblocks in his driveway, he sits on his lawn with a six pack all day and yells obsenities at the neighborhood children. But he owns his house outright, firehazard that it is, he's broken no laws. he's fine in your books isn't he?
you can do whatever you want, but the people in your area have decided that they would prefer that you no let your inner slob out to play. This is what democracy is, if you want any different, convince people that your freedom is more important than their money. not everybody is put out by the constraints. some people don't even view them as constraint.
wow, you're certainly proving your name at the moment.
individually, not much, from a policy perspective a great deal. there's a difference between getting better people and getting the ones you have more help.
Well.. I am not sure it means what he thinks it means. he must mean that it is similar in that his profession has special wardrobe, and it is difficult to interact with your device or preferable not to with your hands. anything else would be inconceivable.
you give us some nice remote controlled robots with some nice dexterity, and i'd say people exploration isn't that important. Low latency is also pretty key, as getting directions from earth is a pretty slow thing
farthest reaches, at least marianas style were all about finding different life. everest:) yeah, vanity.
one great thing about people, we're incredibly finicky, need a shit ton of maintenance, yadda yadda yadda, so damn fragile. but we've got these unparalleled manipulators attached to our arms, and don't need constant monitoring from earth. Like, literally, you can build in redundancies sure, but for replacing a lightbulb, tightening a screw, replacing a solar panel, just reacting to when the unexpected happens, people are pretty good.
well, similarly, not much purpose in doing a lot of stuff in space. not much purpose in going to mars at all. no point in going to the top of our world, nor going to the bottom of the ocean. sometimes you don't know what you don't know, but you know how to get a good look at its shadow.
it's more along the lines of risk that the fire will get away from you. and then it's not just your property that's in danger but your neighbors as well.
fine, lets tone down the hyperbole and think of a more suitable example than dogfighting and skunk raising.
your neighbor wants to turn their property into a club or a composting company. noise complaints are an invasion of property rights aren't they? and the smell, the constant smell.
i was trying to inject humor into it, you know, instead of just coming out and just staying you've got pretty shaky stances.
you've got a lot of faith in what your neighbors will and won't do, me i'd rather not risk a significant investment like a house on the good behavior of others. You know, it's not just a "pleasant environment" at risk here, it's also property values because generally that's linked in.
bleh, social darwinism isn't a thing. evolution doesn't work on the timescales we live. At this point the future for the human race is increasing the rate of technological advancement to the point that it outpaces the problems it creates and the ones that would have arisen anyway. technological social security basically.
as david deutsch said in an unrelated ted-talk. "problems are soluble, problems are inevitable."
if it's an oral vaccine, doesn't mind being exposed to air, can tolerate humidity and temperature variation, exposure to sunlight etc. polio vaccines were such a bitch because one of them lost efficacy at high temperatures. Also scattershot approach like that is less likely to be economically viable.
Also, you'd probably run into a lot of people complaining about secret experiments on the population, which you know this would be. The logistical nightmare of trying to mess with the food supply, and even then you wouldn't be guaranteed of hitting your target.
you are literally of the class of people that herd immunity is critical for.
indeed it's the right choice if considering economics too, the cost of prevention is always always always going to be less than the cost of treatment, to the individual and to society.
we force people that want to share our roads to account for the situation where they'd be doing damage to others, why not the classroom, why not the office, why not the store? the only difference is that one ostensibly regards the human body, and the other what's surrounding it. no license no driving, no insurance no driving. can we make the argument that no vaccinations no using public spaces?
i will burn all the leaves in my yard in a rustic oil drum. even when it's windy. it's my property, and my embers, and they'll go where i let them go. who are to to tell me what i can burn and can't burn on my property?
Also, the airspace above my house is off limits. I own all the air above me. haven't claimed the space above me, because the whole spinning reference frame thing makes the borders pretty variable... though at any one moment in time i own something like land on at least a couple hundred stars probably.
Back to the point. It's my air until it leaves my property, at which point it becomes your air. And if i own a skunk farm, well that's my business too. my dog fighting ring doesn't scare them that much, so you know, the stink is pretty minimal considering how many skunks I have, and how scared they really should be of my dogs... but again, my property. I wonder if skunk/dog fighting will bring in any money? what, you think that's a terrible idea? well, you know where you can kindly shove your opinion, neighbor? somewhere, honestly i don't really care as long it's on the other side of the razor wire fence i bought surplus off the supermax in the other county.
i would be ok taking the risk that i'd get shot, some things are important enough. you think the WHO people that vaccinated people in war zones, who made pacts with tribal warlords in the wake of armed militia weren't risking death every second of every day?
you have a disease like smallpox, you have a vaccine on hand, you got a shot at eradicating it, you take that shot with both hands and run as hard as you can.
that means, you get vaccinated, voluntarily or no, or we gaurantee that every single person you have the possibility of coming in contact with you gets vaccinated. smallpox is estimated to have killed up to half a billion people in the 20th century.
you know, better yet, advertise a vaccine-free municipality, watch all those new-age hippies flock there to live with like-minded enlightened people. watch as diseases thought largely controlled in the first world go through the community like wild-fire. then we ask them again if they want vaccines.
cost of long term parking near me is roughly 8 dollars a day, a cab ride is going to run you what, 50 dollars? super shuttle less. I'm also not factoring in wear and tear on your vehicle, variable cost of eating out, number of passengers etc, hotel fare etc.
i imagine for the average american the stress of flying pales in comparison to the stress of driving for 20 hours.
the hidden costs of flying over driving would have to be roughly 300 dollars for there to be parity if you value your time at minimum wage.
visiting family isn't typically a scenario where you're typically expected to have an independent mode of travel.
I'm fine with a 3-4 hour drive, happy even over flying. but 20 hours is pushing it, and i like to drive places.
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don't we just call it protection money these days?
We're so enterprising, the disaster is theoretical and on a personal level.
You want hands? i'll off the service of keeping this hammer from breaking them for half your life savings and profit.
... ... ... ... still waiting for a point?
you literally just argued for racism. Congrats.
there's something fundamentally different about refusing service for something that can be changed compared to something that cannot. Also, you are not being refused service, you are being offered service with terms and conditions.
well are the overheads designed with those kinds of loads in mind? i said turbulence not a crash. laptop won't take someone's head off... might crush someone's throat, cause a serious concussion if it was moving really really fast. flesh and bone are pretty resilient. also might help if it were aluminum...
13 lbs of laptop falling 2-3 feet won't be pleasant if it lands on your head, but i don't think it'll kill you too easily unless you're unlucky. 50-60 lbs of metal falling 2-3 feet is pretty lethal anywhere near the head.
... the only thing you listed where you are not actually trespassing is your car. everything else is subject to the good will the proprietors.
:) that's right, bringing is a gun into an airplane is no more dangerous than bringing a gun into a school.
As we all know, there have never been any school shootings. ergo, guns on planes are perfectly safe.
i'd be more concerned with turbulence. you're going to stow that chunk of solid metal in the overhead? that thing ever pops out of that bin, and it will kill someone, no might or maybes about it. also, what kind of lunatic would think that that would pass muster?
again, if you want realistic we can go even more realistic. a composting business doesn't need to be huge or even a business to really pollute the air so to speak. i was thinking semi urban for the dance club, but lets just take the key elements of the nightclub. sound and lights. it's christmas time, lets say your neighbor has a true eye sore, animatronic, and lit up like a spot light. Yeah, i'd complain about that. sound, people coming and going at all hours of the day and night, loud as loud can be... basically you're living next to a frat house, with you know unsavory types, because Colorado legalized, it should be legal everywhere... dude. I'd probably complain the hell about that too.
where do you draw the line, you believe that what you were doing was fair and reasonable, and what others perceived about you was unreasonable. but isn't that true about everyone? that lady down the street with the vegatable patch in front. Her lawn basically looks like it was torn up by a tank. That family down the street, they've got a damn couch in the middle of a tick haven. is that fine?
how about the broken windows on that property down the street that went into foreclosure and now the bank owns. it's got squatters now, should nobody take the bank to task?
and his neighbor? He's the worst. he's got litter all over his lawn, a couch and a broken down chevy on cinderblocks in his driveway, he sits on his lawn with a six pack all day and yells obsenities at the neighborhood children. But he owns his house outright, firehazard that it is, he's broken no laws. he's fine in your books isn't he?
you can do whatever you want, but the people in your area have decided that they would prefer that you no let your inner slob out to play. This is what democracy is, if you want any different, convince people that your freedom is more important than their money. not everybody is put out by the constraints. some people don't even view them as constraint.
wow, you're certainly proving your name at the moment.
individually, not much, from a policy perspective a great deal. there's a difference between getting better people and getting the ones you have more help.
thought so too, but compression would change it, and we know nothing of the precision required.
... i just made stuff up until it seemed rightish
Well.. I am not sure it means what he thinks it means.
he must mean that it is similar in that his profession has special wardrobe, and it is difficult to interact with your device or preferable not to with your hands.
anything else would be inconceivable.
you give us some nice remote controlled robots with some nice dexterity, and i'd say people exploration isn't that important. Low latency is also pretty key, as getting directions from earth is a pretty slow thing
farthest reaches, at least marianas style were all about finding different life. everest :) yeah, vanity.
one great thing about people, we're incredibly finicky, need a shit ton of maintenance, yadda yadda yadda, so damn fragile. but we've got these unparalleled manipulators attached to our arms, and don't need constant monitoring from earth. Like, literally, you can build in redundancies sure, but for replacing a lightbulb, tightening a screw, replacing a solar panel, just reacting to when the unexpected happens, people are pretty good.
well, similarly, not much purpose in doing a lot of stuff in space. not much purpose in going to mars at all. no point in going to the top of our world, nor going to the bottom of the ocean. sometimes you don't know what you don't know, but you know how to get a good look at its shadow.
you're citing a phrase from 1870.. you know they were still leeching people back then... and it was a decade after origin of species came out right?
We've also been called the consumer of last resort. so you should probably thank us
the quaint look of a homeless stove. rustic.
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it's more along the lines of risk that the fire will get away from you. and then it's not just your property that's in danger but your neighbors as well.
fine, lets tone down the hyperbole and think of a more suitable example than dogfighting and skunk raising.
your neighbor wants to turn their property into a club or a composting company. noise complaints are an invasion of property rights aren't they? and the smell, the constant smell.
i was trying to inject humor into it, you know, instead of just coming out and just staying you've got pretty shaky stances.
you've got a lot of faith in what your neighbors will and won't do, me i'd rather not risk a significant investment like a house on the good behavior of others. You know, it's not just a "pleasant environment" at risk here, it's also property values because generally that's linked in.
bleh, social darwinism isn't a thing. evolution doesn't work on the timescales we live. At this point the future for the human race is increasing the rate of technological advancement to the point that it outpaces the problems it creates and the ones that would have arisen anyway. technological social security basically.
as david deutsch said in an unrelated ted-talk. "problems are soluble, problems are inevitable."
if it's an oral vaccine, doesn't mind being exposed to air, can tolerate humidity and temperature variation, exposure to sunlight etc. polio vaccines were such a bitch because one of them lost efficacy at high temperatures. Also scattershot approach like that is less likely to be economically viable.
Also, you'd probably run into a lot of people complaining about secret experiments on the population, which you know this would be. The logistical nightmare of trying to mess with the food supply, and even then you wouldn't be guaranteed of hitting your target.
you are literally of the class of people that herd immunity is critical for.
indeed it's the right choice if considering economics too, the cost of prevention is always always always going to be less than the cost of treatment, to the individual and to society.
we force people that want to share our roads to account for the situation where they'd be doing damage to others, why not the classroom, why not the office, why not the store? the only difference is that one ostensibly regards the human body, and the other what's surrounding it. no license no driving, no insurance no driving. can we make the argument that no vaccinations no using public spaces?
i will burn all the leaves in my yard in a rustic oil drum. even when it's windy. it's my property, and my embers, and they'll go where i let them go. who are to to tell me what i can burn and can't burn on my property?
Also, the airspace above my house is off limits. I own all the air above me. haven't claimed the space above me, because the whole spinning reference frame thing makes the borders pretty variable... though at any one moment in time i own something like land on at least a couple hundred stars probably.
Back to the point. It's my air until it leaves my property, at which point it becomes your air. And if i own a skunk farm, well that's my business too. my dog fighting ring doesn't scare them that much, so you know, the stink is pretty minimal considering how many skunks I have, and how scared they really should be of my dogs...
but again, my property. I wonder if skunk/dog fighting will bring in any money? what, you think that's a terrible idea? well, you know where you can kindly shove your opinion, neighbor?
somewhere, honestly i don't really care as long it's on the other side of the razor wire fence i bought surplus off the supermax in the other county.
i know the solution. no roads = no traffic.
i also show up for the venom.
i would be ok taking the risk that i'd get shot, some things are important enough. you think the WHO people that vaccinated people in war zones, who made pacts with tribal warlords in the wake of armed militia weren't risking death every second of every day?
you have a disease like smallpox, you have a vaccine on hand, you got a shot at eradicating it, you take that shot with both hands and run as hard as you can.
that means, you get vaccinated, voluntarily or no, or we gaurantee that every single person you have the possibility of coming in contact with you gets vaccinated. smallpox is estimated to have killed up to half a billion people in the 20th century.
you know, better yet, advertise a vaccine-free municipality, watch all those new-age hippies flock there to live with like-minded enlightened people. watch as diseases thought largely controlled in the first world go through the community like wild-fire. then we ask them again if they want vaccines.
cost of long term parking near me is roughly 8 dollars a day, a cab ride is going to run you what, 50 dollars? super shuttle less. I'm also not factoring in wear and tear on your vehicle, variable cost of eating out, number of passengers etc, hotel fare etc.
i imagine for the average american the stress of flying pales in comparison to the stress of driving for 20 hours.
the hidden costs of flying over driving would have to be roughly 300 dollars for there to be parity if you value your time at minimum wage.
visiting family isn't typically a scenario where you're typically expected to have an independent mode of travel.
I'm fine with a 3-4 hour drive, happy even over flying. but 20 hours is pushing it, and i like to drive places.