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kwelch007 writes I commonly work in a clean-room (CR.) As such, I commonly need access to my smart-phone for various reasons while inside the CR...but, I commonly keep it in my front pocket INSIDE my clean-suit. Therefore, to get my phone out of my pocket, I have to leave the room, get my phone out of my pocket, and because I have a one track mind, commonly leave it sitting on a table or something in the CR, so I then have to either have someone bring it to me, or suit back up and go get it myself...a real pain. I have been looking in to getting a 'Smart Watch' (I'm preferential to Android, but I know Apple has similar smart-watches.) I would use a smart-watch as a convenient, easy to transport and access method to access basic communications (email alerts, text, weather maps, etc.) The problem I'm finding while researching these devices is, I'm not finding many apps. Sure, they can look like a nice digital watch, but I can spend $10 for that...not the several hundred or whatever to buy a smart-watch. What are some apps I can get? (don't care about platform, don't care if they're free) I just want to know what's the best out there, and what it can do? I couldn't care less about it being a watch...we have these things called clocks all over the place. I need various sorts of data access. I don't care if it has to pair with my smart-phone using Bluetooth or whatever, and it won't have to be a 100% solution...it would be more of a convenience that is worth the several hundred dollars to me. My phone will never be more than 5 feet away, it's just inconvenient to physically access it. Further, I am also a developer...what is the best platform to develop for these wearable devices on, and why? Maybe I could make my own apps? Is it worth waiting for the next generation of smart-watches?

232 comments

  1. Pebble? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Would the Pebble fit your needs?

    Gotta love the honesty on that web page, it got a smile from me.

    1. Re:Pebble? by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll second the Pebble. The latest update gives it most of the same abilities as Android Wear devices. It's nice being able to archive or spamify emails the second that I get them. You can setup tasker for automation. I also use Pushover and Pushbullet a ton. If one of my servers goes down, a backup fails, or I get a hack attempt noticed by fail2ban, I get notified at an instant. I live in a pretty cold climate and it's nice to be able to dismiss messages without digging my phone out through multiple layers and taking my gloves off to get to the notifications bar.

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    2. Re:Pebble? by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      Would the Pebble fit your needs?

      "apps compatible with iOS and Android",
        Nice.

    3. Re:Pebble? by TroubleMagnet · · Score: 5, Informative

      I have a pebble as well. It has it's limitations but it have a few nice functions that make it worthwhile.

      1. See who is calling without taking out your phone, button press will tell your phone you've decided not to answer the call to it stops ringing.
      2. See the text of new messages from SMS/email/twitter and likely any other source you care to see. You can scroll up and down to read them.
      3. 5-7 days between charges. Some apps or faces will shorten this by a LOT. 99% of the time I use the two functions above, on a 4 day trip out of town now, didn't even bother to bring the charging cable.
      4. See how many voicemails, texts, email you have waiting.
      5. Control Tasker (Android only) which brings up a bunch of simple things you can do.
      6. Current weather

      I wouldn't want to try to enter text on it, only has 4 buttons, but if you want to see if it's worth leaving the clean room it's great. You could likely set up a couple stock messages and send them if you really wanted to, not sure if there is an app or if you'd have to get Tasker to do it.

    4. Re:Pebble? by ColaMan · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's a fair bit of 'easy' customisability in a Pebble.

      And the battery life of 'aroundabouta week' is great compared to the 'charge overnight' crowd. I like to have a watch on at night, and I can silence my phone and have calls vibrate the pebble to wake me up if needed, but I sleep pretty lightly.

      Notifications are good (with an add-on app), Phone control is easy (with an add-on app), there's a bunch of little apps for just about anything. Download the Pebble app for your phone (no need to get the hardware to install the app) and have a poke about in the app store section to see what's about.

      There are programs that allow you to make your own faces with a builder app on your phone. You can get apps for it that can pull any JSON data you want from a server, and the actual dev environment used to make 'real' apps isn't too bad to work with.

      And the original plastic pebble is pretty cheap and waterproof to 5 atm. (um, swimming and showering and stuff), so I rarely take it off.

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    5. Re:Pebble? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can imagine the 3 windows phone users sitting around a card table, and collectively sighing after reading that.

    6. Re:Pebble? by jakimfett · · Score: 4, Funny

      They're commiserating with both of the Blackberry users about it.

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    7. Re:Pebble? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pebble? Get a Pet Rock. Way more useful than an iWatch.

    8. Re:Pebble? by hondo77 · · Score: 2

      Ah, the Pebble. Relive the graphics of the original Game Boy...on your wrist!

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    9. Re:Pebble? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There exists a few pebble apps for windows phone eg pebble essentials (disclaimer: my work colleague maintains it), so don't write that off just yet.

    10. Re:Pebble? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know 2 windows phone users. At a meeting recently, one came up to me and told me he had gotten one. I replied, "My condolences." He then tried to show something on it to me...but he was unable to turn it on...he explained it was in some sort of sleep mode, and seemed to be "stuck." I left after waiting around two minutes. The next evening, at another meeting, someone found out that fellow had a windows phone...she said to him, "Oh good, you can show me how to use mine." I chuckled.

    11. Re:Pebble? by kwelch007 · · Score: 1

      Yes! This is exactly the sort of thread response I'm looking for! I've looked in to the Pebble watches, and I'm not sure they're quite right for me, but this is the sort of thing I want to be able to do. Essentially, diminish my need to get my phone out. Things like being able to see and read texts to see who they are from and what they say, to evaluating incoming callers...YES! I would like a little more, but this conversation's definitely along my desired lines! Not, "can I do this?" But rather, "What can I do that I haven't thought about?" Thank you!

    12. Re:Pebble? by A+Friendly+Troll · · Score: 1

      Sadly, you can all but forget about Pebble in the EU, because it carries an incredible 50% price premium over the US price.

      That's way, way too much, and brings the watch from "hey, this would be neat to have" to "jesus, I can buy a full-featured phone with an IPS and Gorilla Glass 3 for that amount of money".

    13. Re:Pebble? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      6. Current weather

      I never really understood this feature. I can look out of a window to see the current weather. What I want to know if the future weather, but every random smart device gives me information that I already have to hand. I can see if it is raining now, what I'm interested in is if I should take an umbrella for later.

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    14. Re:Pebble? by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      What I want to know if the future weather, but every random smart device gives me information that I already have to hand. I can see if it is raining now, what I'm interested in is if I should take an umbrella for later.

      It can also do future weather. I use a watch face that keeps track of current weather, but if you shake the watch, it switches to a 3-day forecast AND a by-hour graph of the next 24 hours' temperature and precipitation.

  2. you could by mosdave · · Score: 1

    Sell it at a loss?

    1. Re:you could by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He would need a replacement paperweight, in that case.

    2. Re:you could by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they still use paperweights? Get off that flatbed, that's not an office!

  3. I commonly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I commonly need common communications commonly between my common friends commonly found on my common smart phone.

    1. Re:I commonly by raftpeople · · Score: 3, Funny

      I commonly read slashdot (SD) using my computer (MC) at my desk (MD) at work (WK). I wonder (IW) if a smart watch (SW) would improve (WI) my communications (MC).

    2. Re:I commonly by Minwee · · Score: 2

      Seeing as how the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT? Because if it leaks to the VC you could end up an MIA, and then we'd all be put on KP

    3. Re:I commonly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I commonly need common communications commonly between my common friends commonly found on my common smart phone.

      I commonly read common comments that commonly have common comments about commonly understood comments myself, commonly enough.

    4. Re:I commonly by BadPirate · · Score: 1

      Shows how much bullshit I read every day that I didn't even register the wordy delivery until you pointed it out.

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  4. Clapper by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    commonly leave it sitting on a table or something in the CR, so I then have to either have someone bring it to me

    Use it so that if you get too far from your phone, it makes your phone ring so you'll remember to take it with you. And as a way to find your phone when you can't find it.

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    1. Re:Clapper by kwelch007 · · Score: 1

      As much as people may continue to criticize my question, I think this is a valid function of a smart-watch. Thank you for pointing it out!

    2. Re:Clapper by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Devices should complement each other. Besides, have you ever wished you had your phone so you could call your phone because you can't find your phone? :-)

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    3. Re:Clapper by beakerMeep · · Score: 1

      It can work the other way around too -- if you get too far from your phone, it goes into pin/password lock mode. But if it is near a trusted bluetooth device, easily swipe to open. Works with any bluetooth (pebble, moto 360, your car) and Moto X 2013/2014 and Android 5+ devices. I assume iPhone has a similar feature.

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  5. Used a pebble watch for a while by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very extendable. Can read emails from the phone - can't respond back though.

  6. How to write a good ticket by Mantle · · Score: 3, Insightful
    need access to my smart-phone for various reasons
    [...]
    various sorts of data access

    Part of writing a good ticket is being specific about your use case and not presupposing the solution. From what you've written, the problem is not technical and has nothing to do with a smart watch. The problem is you are forgetful.

    If you can be specific about what you are actually doing with your phone, we can give you solutions that may or may not involve a smart watch.

    1. Re:How to write a good ticket by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      need access to my smart-phone for various reasons

      [...]

      various sorts of data access

      Part of writing a good ticket is being specific about your use case and not presupposing the solution. From what you've written, the problem is not technical and has nothing to do with a smart watch. The problem is you are forgetful.

      If you can be specific about what you are actually doing with your phone, we can give you solutions that may or may not involve a smart watch.

      This is it exactly. The solutions to the problem of not having phone-like features attached to your wrist (where you can't forget them) are either a: purchase a several hundred dollar bit of tech that you clearly dont know suits your needs, or b: tie your phone to your fucking wrist.

    2. Re:How to write a good ticket by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or b: get that shoulder holster (to put that phone in)

  7. What you need is a CR compatible phone enclusure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not a smart watch.

    Better yet, why do you need a mobile phone inside a clean room in any case?

  8. Seperate Phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there was ever a case for having a separate phone for home and work... You should have a phone that stays in the clean room that can be used for work and emergency contacts. The 'clean room' barrier metaphor is actually quite apt for keeping your work and personal life distinct.

    1. Re:Seperate Phones by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      It doesn't even need to be a phone. If all you need is data inside the clean room, a PC or laptop will do as well.

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  9. If you're a developer... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make your own apps and open source them or GTFO...

  10. hand-available conversation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On TV I saw the young dad from Parenthood talk to his wife via his Samsung smartwatch while he was climbing around on the roof of his house working on christmas decorations. Fortunately he didn't have to hold a smartphone to talk to his wife, so he could grab something to keep him from falling if he needed to.

    For me, having a smartwatch allows the government and their corporate overlords monitor me more consistently than my smartphone or computer.

    1. Re:hand-available conversation by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      On TV I saw the young dad from Parenthood talk to his wife via his Samsung smartwatch while he was climbing around on the roof of his house working on christmas decorations. Fortunately he didn't have to hold a smartphone to talk to his wife, so he could grab something to keep him from falling if he needed to.

      For me, having a smartwatch allows the government and their corporate overlords monitor me more consistently than my smartphone or computer.

      Ask anyone who's ever been pocket-dialed - you don't need to hold a smart phone to talk to people.

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    2. Re:hand-available conversation by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Right. Your ass can talk to their ass. Bluetooth isn't even needed for that.

      There have to be unreported instances where pocket-dialed calls are pocket-answered. It's a big world out there.

  11. Re:One year too early by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Funny

    In six months the fanboy noise floor will be at +120Db. The time to ask is before it is incorporated into a religion.

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  12. You could by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3D print your own and show the world that your 3D printer paid for itself in a year!

  13. Re:One year too early by kdub007 · · Score: 1

    That was kind of the conclusion I came to, but always worth asking :)

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  14. Ziploc bag by the+monolith · · Score: 1

    Clean and sanitary, easily replaced, easy to manipulate phones through. So long as operating such equipment in your clean room environment is allowed, it should be ok - probably not in line with RF environments, though.

    1. Re:Ziploc bag by Gliscameria · · Score: 1

      Such great arguments about this... Cell phones just plain killed this one furnace, which is kind of a big deal when you've got a bunch of wafers in it. Huge signs in the grey room saying "NO CELL PHONES"... ahhh... but everyone's cell phone was special! My cell phone would never do that, it's a good boy!!! Surely that sign was for some other phone.

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    2. Re:Ziploc bag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like that may be a problem because he may not actually have anywhere to put the phone that he can easily access when wearing the clean room suit - probably no pockets - without actually holding it in his hand the whole time.

      (If the bag was a solution, he wouldn't be allowed a watch without a bag)

    3. Re:Ziploc bag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that the submitter already takes their phone into the CR, just inside their clean suit. I'm agreeing with the ziploc bag approach: KISS.

    4. Re:Ziploc bag by kwelch007 · · Score: 1

      This is the most applicable thread I've seen yet. Yes, we do have "Furnaces" (we call them Growth machines.) Ours are shielded, and as such, it is common-place for people to use Cell-Phones within the CR...not just IT. In fact, I provide WiFi to our CR techs. A simple solution such as "pockets" on our suits actually would solve my problem...the trick there is, getting management to approve and order them. Different problem altogether.

    5. Re:Ziploc bag by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      I commonly work in a clean-room (CR.)

      Huge signs in the grey room saying "NO CELL PHONES"... ahhh... but everyone's cell phone was special!

      And how does the claim "my cell phone is special" wash when the security guard is patting you down to check for contraband before you enter the work area? You know, the security guard who has had it explained to him - in writing, above his fresh signature - that if ANYONE in the are that he controls is found with a cellphone (or other contraband), then he gets fired. The guy who works for a different (outsourced) company, works a different shift pattern to you, and will be rotated to a different site (for his company) at unpredictable intervals. Work patterns designed so he (or she - you'll need female guards to pat-down the female staff) never builds any sort of relationship with people at your company, because his (her) job is to enforce rules, not be nice to people.

      Frankly, if your company is losing valuable product and equipment to such contraband, then they have no real option but to implement such rules. And it's not uncommon. When I take my helicopter to work, I get the pat down - everyone does, and has done since at least the mid-1970s. When my wife goes into her office, she's required to have her bag searched for telephones (not allowed) cameras (of any sort ; not allowed) and memory devices (of any sort, including MP3 players ; not allowed) between reception and her office. Lockers are provided - "put your stuff in there and take the key", and then they're searched.

      Neither of us work in classified areas - they're banned on our helicopters because there have been incidents of transmissions scrambling navigation equipment (30 years old ; no reason to upgrade) and there have been people miss important announcements ("we're diverted to platform X first, not Y ; don't get off at the wrong stop") because they were listening to a Walkman. Diverting a flight to pick up a lost person costs around £5000. Music players are forbidden while flying (and they interfere with the hearing protection anyway). My wife sometimes works with medical records and other times with financials. So the office operates on information security. Senior personnel who may need to be contacted when not at their desk carry DECT-like phones that connect their desk to their pocket - with no data storage apart form an address-book, manually entered.

      What is your business case for needing your phone in the RF-free area?

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    6. Re:Ziploc bag by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Ignore the first line - typo!

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  15. TICKET CLOSED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Part of writing a good ticket is being specific about your use case and not presupposing the solution. From what you've written, the problem is not technical and has nothing to do with a smart watch. The problem is you are forgetful.

    Reason: Unable to reproduce

    (chick's aren't impressed by smart watches)

    1. Re:TICKET CLOSED by rotaryexpress · · Score: 2

      (chick's aren't impressed by smart watches)

      Speak for yourself. Moto360 has been a AMAZING icebreaker the last 3 months.

    2. Re:TICKET CLOSED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > chick's aren't impressed by smart watches

      Luckily they're all too dumb to notice shit grammar.

  16. are you serious? by paai · · Score: 1

    Are you serious? Just get a small smartphone and clip to a strap on your underarm when you enter the clean room. I do it under similar circumstances (not a clean room, quite the opposite)

    Paai

    1. Re:are you serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious? Just get a small smartphone and clip to a strap on your underarm when you enter the clean room. I do it under similar circumstances (not a clean room, quite the opposite)

      Paai

      Um. Ok. Gross.

    2. Re:are you serious? by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      I do it under similar circumstances (not a clean room, quite the opposite)

      Not sure you know what "similar" means...

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    3. Re:are you serious? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      Well.. I am not sure it means what he thinks it means.
      he must mean that it is similar in that his profession has special wardrobe, and it is difficult to interact with your device or preferable not to with your hands.
      anything else would be inconceivable.

  17. Step on it when it doesnt' work by cjonslashdot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Everything you buy today - especially things with software - will cause you grief - error codes, constant software updates, hacked, frozen and race conditions, and general frustration - so you have to ask yourself, is it worth it?

    1. Re:Step on it when it doesnt' work by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Unlike everything we used to buy, back in the day, which worked straight out the box with no issues whatsoever, like a baseball glove and a ball.
      Go outside and play!
      And get off my lawn!

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    2. Re:Step on it when it doesnt' work by cjonslashdot · · Score: 1

      The issue is that we are not requiring sufficient quality in software. Imagine where we are headed - the "Internet Of Things" (IOT). Programmed devices everywhere, all requiring updates constantly, all security risks, and of the hundreds of devices that you interact with every day, some percent don't do what they are supposed to do at any given moment. It adds up to a very frustrating day. I for one am not looking forward to it. If there are hundreds of programmed devices in our vicinity, 99% reliable is not enough - we need 99.999% - otherwise life will become shit.

    3. Re:Step on it when it doesnt' work by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      I agree software is shipped without being tested to 99.999% quality. I buy a game on release day, come home slap the DVD in and install it (if it's not a steam game that is) and run it, it checks for patches, and downloads a 22gb "patch". So I stopped buying physical games, most games get released on steam, if I have to download the entire game regardless of whether I installed it from a dvd, I may as well just download it in the first place. I can't remember what game it was, but you could download the patch for the game before the game was even released. That says to me that they sent the code to the dvd fab knowing it was full of bugs.

      But

      Here's why code is not tested to 99.999% quality.

      It costs too much. I work as a developer, I worked for a major bank on their project metrics team, so I had access to all their project data, planning, hours captured etc.etc. To make even a relatively small change to big software costs millions. Impact analysis by senior developers, assessments and documentation from system architects, meetings with management and business analysts etc. etc. All these people are not cheap. Before code even STARTS to change it can cost millions. Then the code changes and you have to do end to end testing, integration testing, regression testing etc. all involving people who pull a pay check, and depending on the code change you may need a new environment (ie. physical hardware) to test the change without impacting the rest of the business. I can hear all the agile pundits screaming, but if your testing cycle involves external parties, like every major bank in the country and the stock exchange, then 'agile' development is more expensive than waterfall development. So, it comes down to the testers to make sure there are no bugs. Developers subconsciously know how their code works, and do their unit testing accordingly, so when they send code to QA they think it's working 100% and there are no bugs. It's up to the testers to push the code in different ways to see if something breaks. But how good are the testers? Are they just ticking the blocks on the test plan? Are they trying weird and wonderful things outside of the test plan to see what happens? Probably not, it's hard to find good testers, it's a boring job. Hell it's hard to find good developers, never mind good senior developers. All of this means that code will never be tested to 99.999% reliability. EVER. IIRC they have had to do 2 patches on the mars rover which is on another bloody planet. If any software should have been tested to 99.999% reliability it should have been the software on the mars rover. But it wasn't, because it costs too much, and software / hardware and it's integration are very very complex things.

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    4. Re:Step on it when it doesnt' work by cjonslashdot · · Score: 1

      I am the editor for Transition2Agile.com and I would like to continue this dialog with you directly (if you are willing). Can you please email me? My email address is cliff AT Transition2Agile.com. My own personal focus has been the application of Agile in high assurance business environments - like banks - and your comments about banking software are really interesting to me. Thanks! Best regards - Cliff

  18. Solar and sidereal time. by pigiron · · Score: 1

    A true smartwatch would provide both in addition to time based on UTC. I find it amazing that a purely mechanical watch, albeit those that cost upwards of a quarter of a million dollars can do both (provided you set the cams inside for proper longitude and latitude) but a watch with a computer inside that can do these calculations is unavailable.

    1. Re:Solar and sidereal time. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      A true smartwatch would provide both in addition to time based on UTC. I find it amazing that a purely mechanical watch, albeit those that cost upwards of a quarter of a million dollars can do both (provided you set the cams inside for proper longitude and latitude) but a watch with a computer inside that can do these calculations is unavailable.

      Or just buy 3 $10-dollar watches, and save almost 99.99% of your money.

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    2. Re:Solar and sidereal time. by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      A true smartwatch would provide both in addition to time based on UTC. I find it amazing that a purely mechanical watch, albeit those that cost upwards of a quarter of a million dollars can do both (provided you set the cams inside for proper longitude and latitude) but a watch with a computer inside that can do these calculations is unavailable.

      Or just buy 3 $10-dollar watches, and save almost 99.99% of your money.

      Sidereal timekeeping is done to the absolution rotation of Earth as opposed to the rotation relative to the sun (which changes as we orbit) so a Sidereal hour is shorter than a solar hour. You would need to find a $10 watch that drifts at exactly +0.275% which is not impossible but rather hard to do on the first try.

    3. Re:Solar and sidereal time. by pigiron · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately both solar and sidereal time have a variable length day that changes by the time of year. UTC finesses the problem of a fixed length day with occasional leap years and leap seconds. Two more cheap watches would not solve this.

    4. Re:Solar and sidereal time. by ColaMan · · Score: 1

      Don't panic pigiron, Pebble's got you covered.

      Wellllll, for sidereal time anyway.

      Here's a few watchfaces I found after googling "pebble sidereal time"

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    5. Re:Solar and sidereal time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      huh ? a smartphone can display atomic accurate time, defined in 3 dimensions if needed, it can even directly consult the people who define time (ntp,npl,nasa,gps), correct deviations to the clock cycle, whose time do you want?
      http://ntp.org/

    6. Re:Solar and sidereal time. by popoutman · · Score: 2
      Sidereal time does *NOT* have a variable length day. Since it's defined as the average time between successive transits of any particular star, it's *ALWAYS* 23h 56m 04s (approx, or for the decimal preferrers 23.9344696 hours). Apparent solar time does have a variable length, due to the Equation of Time - the function of the difference between a perfectly circular Earth solar orbit and the actual elliptical orbit that we follow.

      The sidereal day was always much easier to time, with transit telescopes.

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    7. Re:Solar and sidereal time. by pigiron · · Score: 1

      I prefer solar time for my particular longitude. Burtthen I am retired and don't travel by air.

    8. Re:Solar and sidereal time. by pigiron · · Score: 1

      You are forgetting to account for nutation which is why sidereal time is only an average.

    9. Re:Solar and sidereal time. by popoutman · · Score: 1
      Given that the effect of nutation is ~20 seconds over a period of 18 years, it's measureable but minute. It's circa a second difference per year, which seen per day can be effectively ignored. It was seen first with changes in latitude, and was some time before the changes in longitude were measurable.

      The one second per year difference is more than 3 magnitudes different to with the 35 minutes a year that solar time varies by.

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    10. Re:Solar and sidereal time. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Solar and sidereal time. [...] A true smartwatch would provide both in addition to time based on UTC.

      You absolutely also need an output for Mars time. The hoards of workers living on Mars time (seriously - a couple of dozen in the JPL operations centre) need that extra 37 minutes per day (if I recall correctly). A Google employee who tweets as "@MarsRoverDriver" because that used to be his job, has an app (though ISTR that it's an iApp only).

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    11. Re:Solar and sidereal time. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      One man's noise is another man's measurement and a third man's calibration.

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  19. Priorities by kruach+aum · · Score: 1

    Why do you need weather maps in a clean room?

    1. Re:Priorities by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Maybe because he intends to leave it at some point, and I dunno, drive home? Like, through the weather? And if the weather is bad, it might impact the length of said drive, and further determine when he might want to leave said clean room? Or whatever?

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    2. Re:Priorities by kruach+aum · · Score: 1

      That's ridiculous. As weather prediction is notoriously bad, he would be far better off checking that information in his car, right before he leaves.

    3. Re:Priorities by camperdave · · Score: 1

      You've never watched a snow storm come in on radar, have you?

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    4. Re:Priorities by kruach+aum · · Score: 1

      Living in a climate governed by the Mediterranean, I've never had to.

    5. Re:Priorities by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Then of course you wouldn't need weather to decide when to leave work (or IF it is worthwhile to leave work at all, I've had a couple of times when it simply wasn't worthwhile to leave work before midnight).

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    6. Re: Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Living in the Mediterranean, he probably doesn't have a job at all.

    7. Re: Priorities by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Living in the Mediterranean, he probably doesn't have a job at all.

      *IF* you can call that livin... Oh, wait... Never mind.

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    8. Re: Priorities by kwelch007 · · Score: 1

      Simple explanation, and I think camperdave said it best, you've never watched a snow-storm come in on radar. I live in Mid-West U.S. When we see a storm that we expect to drop 2 feet of snow on us, and know we can't safely get our people out with 2 hours safe notice, we shut down and send them home before it becomes too dangerous, or for that matter, impossible to leave. People's lives are not worth ANY amount of money. Weather is a major factor here.

    9. Re: Priorities by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      What if you don't commute using a car, you use a motorbike or bicycle instead. Lot's of times I have put off going home until the rain let up a bit or stopped. We tend to get sudden heavy showers a lot in spring, rains heavily for 20~30 minutes and then stops.

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    10. Re: Priorities by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      What if you don't commute using a car, you use a motorbike or bicycle instead. Lot's of times I have put off going home until the rain let up a bit or stopped.

      Which is a reasonably valid point.

      However, unless your facility is going to be standing idle for 8 or 16 hours of each day (and however many days at weekends and this time of year), then you are going to be relieved at your workstation or the change room by your relief (as you relieved them, or the 3rd shift ; possibly even a 4th shift, but that's pretty rare). You'll do your hand-over, they sign off on the information you pass over ... and then you can check your weather and decide whether to hang around, unpaid, until the weather improves.

      Also, of course, assuming that you're allowed to loiter excessively on the premises after your shift has finished. Not all companies will allow that.

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    11. Re: Priorities by eagleeswar · · Score: 1

      ya its great www.matrixlabs.in

  20. Why I got a Pebble by Enry · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't like my phone making noises and I generally wore headphones. Which left me with leaving the phone in my pocket and either putting it on vibrate and have phantom buzzes or put it on completely silent and miss texts/appointments. Got a pebble maybe 9 months ago and it's been great. As long as I'm in bluetooth range I'll get notified for SMS/Google Chat message, some Facebook updates, calendar events, and incoming phone calls. All of that is customizable and while a few apps allow you to send canned responses I don't use that currently - I just want to know something happened.

    Best part is when you're in a meeting and your phone buzzes, you can just check your wrist to see what it was which is far more discrete than pulling out your phone, unlocking it, and then finding the right app.

    1. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. It's nice for screening calls, and catching text, email and notifications.

      I also use it when golfing, using FreeCaddie to show my yardage. Honestly though, last time we went, I called out the yardage as 148 and my partner replied "more like 150 bang on I'd say" and I noticed I was practically standing on the yard marker... Perhaps the utility has been more of a novelty thus far.

      The music control might be useful if I had a better organized collection or better playlists. That's my own fault.

    2. Re:Why I got a Pebble by DogDude · · Score: 2

      Best part is when you're in a meeting and your phone buzzes, you can just check your wrist to see what it was which is far more discrete than pulling out your phone, unlocking it, and then finding the right app.

      Or you can just get a Windows Phone which shows all of the message indicators on the lock screen.

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    3. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      Finding the right app? Does your phone not offer a main screen summary of what's going on?

    4. Re:Why I got a Pebble by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I'm still using an old iPhone 3GS with iOS6 and it does that too, so I'm not sure what smartphone Enry is talking about. It must be from the paleolithic era.

    5. Re:Why I got a Pebble by QuasiSteve · · Score: 1

      Or you can install a custom lock screen on Android and get the same thing.
      Or use an iPhone, which I think shows notifications on the lock screen as well?

      This does not prevent the "pulling out your phone" part - especially if it doesn't automatically turn its screen on, requiring further steps - and then the unmentioned "putting your phone back" part.
      Unless that phone is already on the desk in front of you, of course.

    6. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you can just get a Windows Phone which shows all of the message indicators on the lock screen.

      iPhone will do this as well. Still it involves pulling your phone out and looking at it like a totally inconsiderate knob.

    7. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >Or you can just get a Windows Phone which shows all of the message indicators on the lock screen.

      But then you'd be stuck with a Windows Phone. Few people want that.

    8. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

      If you think someone checking their phone is an incosiderate knob then you're probably in a permanent foul mood.

    9. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Enry · · Score: 1

      My android (now) does that as well, but I can still leave the phone in my pocket.

    10. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I just let the phone buzz and ignore it. What's the point of pulling it out to check? The only time it matters is if you're getting bad news, and bad news can wait. And in a meeting, I would never check it, and I am annoyed at people who do check. If I am talking to someone and they stop and look at the phone, it tells me that I am unimportant and they'd rather talk to literally anyone else in the the world including the unknown person who made the phone buzz.

      Kids need to learn some basic social skills. Even nerds used to learn this stuff before smart phones. Treat the people you're talking to with respect, treat everyone in your meeting with respect, and if you don't actually respect them then keep it to yourself until you get home. And oh my god, do NOT answer your damn phone while at dinner with a friend, or worse with a date who'll never speak to you again.

    11. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Enry · · Score: 1

      At the time I was in a support role for the client. That buzz could be my wife calling (which I could ignore), could be server a up and died and needed my attention.

    12. Re:Why I got a Pebble by onkelonkel · · Score: 1

      Good tip. I can see where being two yards short on a 150 yard shot would devastate my own golf game.

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    13. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, so you're one of those douchebags who does that in meetings. Stop. Or don't go to the meeting. Please.

    14. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Few Slashdotters want that.

      Lots of other people don't really care. Windows phones aren't much better or worse than the fruity or google ones, though the app store is smaller. But lots of people don't care about the app store. They want a smartphone.

    15. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Then don't involve other people in your shitty job by interrupting your interactions with them to do your work.

    16. Re:Why I got a Pebble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or use Android 5 which also shows notifications on the lock screen.

  21. Good Voice-only Interface for Phone by billstewart · · Score: 4, Informative

    What you need is a good voice-only interface for your phone, and if possible in your clean-room environment, some kind of Bluetooth headset. Phone rings, you tell it "answer". If you want to do something, tell Siri or equivalent, and get voice feedback. Not being an iPhone user, I don't know if Siri's good enough. (The Android stuff I've used so far hasn't been, but my car's phone-dialing interface is at least a start.)

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    1. Re:Good Voice-only Interface for Phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not being an iPhone user, I don't know if Siri's good enough. (The Android stuff I've used so far hasn't been, but my car's phone-dialing interface is at least a start.)

      I'm an iPhone owner, and I used to think the idea of voice interaction with one's phone was pretty dumb. But for specific tasks, it's quite handy and can save time over the equivalent manual process.

      Using Siri is the quickest way to set alarms, reminders, timers ("set a timer for fifteen minutes", "remind me when I get home to call Joe"). It's also useful for reading incoming texts if you're driving or whatnot ("read my unread texts to me") - I've used it once or twice for email, but since those tend to be more detailed, they are too distracting even hands-free IMHO. I know Siri can do a lot of other stuff; but I generally haven't found any benefit to, for example, having Siri provide topical information versus me just typing a search in. The simple, non-sexy stuff is where I've found it the most useful.

      (Sorry for replying AC, but I don't want to kill my mods)

  22. WHAT CAN I DO WITH A SMART WATCH? by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did you ever see Christopher Walken in "Pulp Fiction"? ;-)

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    1. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's a place where tech people with realistic views of what tech can do and bring want to see the proof that it's worth their while.

      I'm still waiting for the killer-app for a smartwatch. I want it to be a central hub of sorts for my personal electronics that anything and everything essentially tethers through, be it over bluetooth or some 802.11 variant, so that everything can have network connectivity. The watch itself shouldn't actually do much- make phone calls as a speakerphone or through a bluetooth headset, provide very rudimentary mapping and navigation, notify of text messages and maybe read text messages and e-mail via text-to-speech, and show task lists and calendar and stopwatch timer events.

      Everything else, like having a nice handset for phone calls, or a really good dialer that can do advanced contact list editing, or web browsing, or any other enhanced feature should work on the tablet or other personal device on one's person.

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    2. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, I've come to realize that slashdot really is just a place for old curmudgeony tech people who automatically hate all new tech...

      "Hate" sure is overused this day and age. The word has lost all meaning.

      It's more like bored, disinterested, and maybe a little annoyed.

      My answer to "what can I really do with a smart watch?" is "Probably not get dates."

      And of course, there's no downside to wearing multiple personal gadgets. It's really hip. Really. You'll be the talk of the Starbucks.

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    3. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I've come to realize that slashdot really is just a place for old curmudgeony tech people who automatically hate all new tech...

      IBM made a watch that ran Linux in 2000. Not exactly "new" technology. Ran X11 and everything. Not exactly "new technology."

      The concept of advanced watches isn't new. Dick Tracy had a 2-way radio watch in 1946, and a 2-way TV watch in 1964. We can do these today, but nobody wants yet another gadget to drag along/lose/break/get stolen/have to recharge. Smartphones cover a broader range of functionality in a better usability factor. And let's face it - talking to your watch isn't exactly private compared to texting, and wearing a bluetooth headset all the time is a problem.

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    4. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      No, what we're really waiting for is a decent battery. To get all of the functionality that we want in a watch sized object AND have it last more than 6 hours is beyond the pale at present.

      To keep the power budget down, we're making too many compromises.

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    5. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      Yeah I'm in the same boat. Apple's long hyped device comes out and, oh hum. It is the new 3D TV: a device looking for a purpose. Wow now I have a remote control for my phone when I take selfies. So as long as I have a really stable place to put my $600 phone on and don't mind taking a couple steps away from it (often in public places) I can use my $350 watch to click the snapshot button. Hey look my $400 smartwatch can ... look like a watch. Act as a pedometer (which is something that I literally got in boxes of cereal as the toy in the 80's, a heart rate monitor: again something that if I cared to I could have had 20-30 years ago. Yet we are supposed to be excited. IMO this is the tech industry trying to make up for the fact that people by a tablet and are for the most part happy with it and never bother upgrading it. They need a new product category so they hype it up and hope lots of people bit.

      The OP: chances are if you are looking for a reason why you could use a new piece of tech you don't need it. You shouldn't start with a product and try to find a place for it in your life, you should start with a problem and if a tech solves it great. You hinted at one: needing to use a phone hands free from a clean room. So how about a bluetooth headset? Your employer doesn't mind you leaving your workspace to take calls all the time? If it is work related can't they supply you with some system to answer emails/phone calls etc in side of the clean room? (Generally I don't spend my own money to solve my employers problems). Lastly prefer Android but will consider Apple: I'd say don't even consider them: from all I saw the Apple watch is meant, and they'll probably fight like crazy to keep it, to only work with Apple phones. The thing is useless without a phone and your phone has to be an iPhone. Unless you have an iPhone but prefer Android for some reason (and if so why do you have the iPhone?) Apple Watch isn't even a possibility.

    6. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      The killer app for a smartwatch will be it's function as a bluetooth dongle to authenticate people. Of course, for it to serve that function well, it will have to be non-removable; otherwise someone else could pretend to be you and the terrorists would win.

      In some instances it will literally be a killer app, but let's let the marketing folks take care of cleaning that little detail up.

    7. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Your smart watch can be used as an authenticating device. It can wirelessly communicate with any outside reader device that queries it, and since it is capable of biometrics, it can self-authenticate itself by learning your biological patterns and identify whether it is you wearing it. So passwords will not be needed.

      A true miracle device. We will be able to move around spending money freely, gaining admittance to films and mass transit without having to pay or present anything to the turnstile, etc. True freedom from many current everyday hassles!

      Also, it will be capable of raising an alarm if it has been removed in an unauthorized setting, say anywhere outside of your secured dwelling cubicle.

    8. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      IBM made a watch that ran Linux in 2000. Not exactly "new" technology. Ran X11 and everything.

      Probably what interfered with market acceptance of that watch was that too many prospective customers found themselves trapped in vi while trying to edit their ~/.twm/.twmrc file. "Damn it! How do I get this thing to not just beep at every key I press!!!???!!"

    9. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by ILongForDarkness · · Score: 1

      How much of this is reality now though? My understanding is you still need to get your device close to the readers now. I already have that with my transit pass and credit card. Moderately more convenient than waving my wallet at the device I suppose but couldn't we just add a band to our credit cards? I guess the combination of features makes it useful. Doing away with passwords would be huge assuming we have a secure way of transmitting the success/failure around the net. Would be great to not need dozens of passwords. My guess though at least for the next 10 years the market will be really fragmented and no one device will have their biometric credentials trusted everywhere. It'll be like walking around with an AmEx: accepted in a lot of places but not in enough places to make it a pain to use as your only cc.

    10. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by well_in_theory · · Score: 1

      My iPhone unlocks without a passcode when my Pebble is connected (Jailbroken, Sesame tweak).

      It's not secure, I'm sure someone could somehow spoof the connection, but that requires much more planning (being within range of the Pebble, obtaining physical access to the phone, etc...) than a $5 wrench might require. It works though, and is much more convenient for me, which took priority.

    11. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by AntiSol · · Score: 1

      Your employer doesn't mind you leaving your workspace to take calls all the time? If it is work related can't they supply you with some system to answer emails/phone calls etc in side of the clean room? (Generally I don't spend my own money to solve my employers problems).

      That was my first take, too - I was going to say something along the lines of "Perhaps you should log off of facebook and do your job instead? Those cat pictures will still be there at lunch time".

    12. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by allfieldsrequired · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't start with a product and try to find a place for it in your life, you should start with a problem and if a tech solves it great.

      The Op specifically stated he had an issue to resolve - he works in a cleanroom and doesn't want to go out everytime he needs to use an app on his phone.

    13. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it should send a painful electric shock every time you can't tell it's from its.

    14. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      You shouldn't start with a product and try to find a place for it in your life, you should start with a problem and if a tech solves it great.

      The Op specifically stated he had an issue to resolve - he works in a cleanroom and doesn't want to go out everytime he needs to use an app on his phone.

      But is that really the case, or is it as implied by the workflow in TFA that this is just a workaround for him forgetting to take the phone out of his pocket when he suits up? In other words, is this a solution to a real problem, or just an excuse to be an alpha geek?

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    15. Re:What can I do with a smart watch? by aurizon · · Score: 1

      After 10 painful electric shocks from some wild glitch, would he tear it off his wrist?
      The smart crook will wear a rubber glove...

  23. What can I do with a smart watch? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

    What can I do with a smart watch?

    Do you really want /.ers to answer that ??? The most popular response will be like in real life - something about the sun not shining.

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  24. The most important function of a Smart Watch by stevez67 · · Score: 1

    Serving me ads when I don't have my phone out of my pocket, so Google can make more money.

  25. Who wants a watch that you have to recharge daily? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    The entire point of having a battery in a watch is so that you don't have to worry about winding it every day,,, it's good for 3 years and then you replace the battery when it goes.

    If I'm going to replace my watch, something that I've been using for years, and have only had to replace the battery twice since I got it, with something newer, then that newer thing should not create additional inconveniences that far outweigh anything it can do that a watch might not, particularly when there is nothing that it will do which a smart phone does not already do anyways.

  26. Buy a tablet... by Parker+Lewis · · Score: 0

    Buy a tablet... and fix it in the wall.

  27. Re:One year too early by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 1

    The unit you want is probably dB.

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  28. Re:One year too early by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 1

    Very true. Pebble looks the best solution for now but with the Apple watch and the equally interesting looking Microsoft Band thingy the market is hardly mature.

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  29. bin it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    best use ever for most "smart" devices - bin it and enjoy your freedom

  30. you are doing it wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smartphone should stay outside the cleanroom. you need fixed terminals inside the room (or wall mounted tablets) with AD integration for logon. These provide all of the functionality you are looking for and more except text. But there are apps to tie your mail account into your phone etc.

    1. Re:you are doing it wrong by kwelch007 · · Score: 1

      Thanks AC. Have all that...doesn't do what I want.

  31. Only developers can write their own smart watch ap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe I could make my own apps?

    A developer wouldn't never pose that hesitant question, so no.

  32. He sucks samzenpus' cock (SC). by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Funny

    Bennett Haselton(BH) is a frequent contributor(FC) to slashdot (SD). His frequent contributions (FC) are ridiculously verbose(RV) and full of(FO) utter bullshit(UB).

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  33. Re:One year too early by Ravaldy · · Score: 2

    I appreciate your faith in Apple but I'm not convinced the watch is anything comparable with the iPhone. The iPhone's success was primarily due to it's touch interface. I remember watching an interview of Steve saying how they put everything into the iPhone, almost as a last shot of reviving Apple. The price point was scary but 3 year contracts saved them from failure since most people would never have forked out more than $300 on a phone. It was a good day at the casino for Apple and the success continued for years after.

    I'm hoping Apple can surprise us. We need another evolution in tech to allow things to continue moving at the retail level.

  34. use your smartwatch to store your by The+Real+Dr+John · · Score: 1

    secret codes for your decoder ring

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  35. What do you make of this? by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    Let's see...

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  36. I would vote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    for the LG G Watch R. You can change the appearance of it to suit your preferences, and it has most, if not all, of the functionality of any other "Smart Watch"

  37. Use a bag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Might seem silly, but why not just put your phone in a ziplock type bag?

    1. Re:Use a bag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might seem silly, but why not just put your phone in a ziplock type bag?

      And then strap it on his upper-arm like another commenter suggested.

  38. More of an interface than something for apps by Sortova · · Score: 1

    I've had an LG G Watch R for a little over a month now and quite like it. I don't use it to run apps per se, but it is a good interface to the phone. Anything on Android that would cause a notification will appear on the watch, and I can dismiss them as needed. Of course, it doesn't replace the phone, but 9 times out of 10 I just want to see the notice not actually do anything. I review it here if you are interested: http://www.adventuresinoss.com...

  39. If you really want the smartphone in the CR... by Onuma · · Score: 1

    Find a holder/holster which will strap around your upper or lower arm, outside of your clean suit. The sort that trendy people use while working out.

    This will eliminate the need for extra, expensive tech, while also keeping it handy.

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  40. Notification and Alarms, Subtlety by Sarusa · · Score: 1

    This is the #1 case for something like a Pebble right now.
    - Put all your notifications on your wrist. Email, caller id, SMS.
    - Reject calls from your watch!
    - Never have to unlock your phone again - it's tied to the watch.
    - Canned responses from your watch.
    - SILENCE your phone. You can't miss the buzz on your wrist, so now you won't be that ass whose phone is whistling every 10 seconds.
    - Likewise, you cannot miss the buzz on your wrist for alarms, no matter how noisy it is.
    - Navigation and music control on your watch.

    People always go on about 'oh but your phone is right there!' But it's all about the user experience. Pebble: *buzz* I glance over, in meeting, okay - good to know, no need to answer. 2 seconds. Nobody even knows that happened. Or I discretely hit a button to send an 'OK'. Phone: *phone whistles or maybe I was thoughtful enough to put it face down so it just buzzes on the table* Now I pull it out of pocket or flip it over on table, unlock it (or are you just putting notifications on the lock screen, insecurely?), oh, okay. I didn't need to read that now, but didn't know that till I read it. Put it back down. 5-10 seconds, a lot of motion and being a dick to everyone around you.

    It's like SSDs. You don't *need* an SSD. So I tried telling people for 5 years how they transform your computer, but oh *PISH POSH* till they actually get one and never want to go back.

  41. Common Solution for Common Problem by 1MC · · Score: 1

    Solution : Put smartphone in OUTSIDE pocket. If you can't use a smartphone in the CR, you can't use a smartwatch.

  42. Smart Watch for alergy sufferers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have bad metal allergies (sensitivity). The cheap metal on the back of my watches made my skin break out. So when I got my SW, the same thing happened. Since I am a determines tech user I really wanted this to work, so I started looking for other places to stick the watch so I wouldn't have a rash. I tried wearing a vest and sticking it in the pocket or wearing it around my neck on a chain, but both options failed to work. Finally I stuck the thing in my pocket next to my cell phone. Now it works perfectly and I always know where it is.
    Six weeks on I dropped it under a bus when I pulled my phone out and knocked the watch free. Can't seem to figure out what the big deal about them was.

    1. Re:Smart Watch for alergy sufferers by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      I have bad metal allergies (sensitivity). The cheap metal on the back of my watches made my skin break out. So when I got my SW, the same thing happened.

      Next time, why not try a layer of nail polish on the back of the watch? And if you want to go all out, you can do the bezel and side as well, in your choice of colors.

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  43. Who cares, this is more important: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.dailystormer.com

  44. Your job by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    Are any of your reasons for needing your phone related to your job? Can you not go through a workday without playing with your phone? If you need outside communications from the clean room then your employer should provide them.

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    1. Re:Your job by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Whatever the environment, there are jobs that require someone just to be there waiting for something unusual to happen. Even in the nuclear missile bunkers, I bet they spend about 95% of their time sitting around waiting for an alarm they hope never comes. You can only clean so much before it's time to lean. So what if OP works in a clean room? I bet there are plenty of "I'm paid to sit here" jobs in there, too.

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  45. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    I can deal with my Pebble watch and it's 7-8 day time between recharges. When it gets down to 20% (day 7) I think, "Hmmm, better charge that up". When it gets down to 10% (day 8) I think, "OK, charge that up tonight".

    Then I wake up in the morning with a dead watch and charge it fully in the time that I have a shower and breakfast. Or I plug it's USB cable in at work for 45 minutes when I'm at my desk.

    Point is , I can deal with weekly charges.

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  46. Re:One year too early by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2, Funny

    Unless he meant "Drooling bullshit".

  47. A watch is not clothing by rossdee · · Score: 1

    you still have to pay the sales tax.

  48. I'm confused by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    OP works in a clean room where he can't take his phone out from under his body condom ... but apparently he doesn't need to wear gloves?

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    1. Re:I'm confused by chesterw · · Score: 1

      Same as here at my company. You only need gloves if you are touching product at sensitive operations. Otherwise they are optional. Washing with approved soap or alcohol based cleaner before entry is mandatory though.

    2. Re:I'm confused by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Are you allowed to pull out your phone, launching all manner of pocket cruft into the air which will then land on whatever it is you're trying to keep clean?

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    3. Re:I'm confused by chesterw · · Score: 1

      No. To retrieve anything from within your gown, you must step out into the gowning room. To bring anything into the gowning room, it must be wiped with alcohol.

    4. Re:I'm confused by chesterw · · Score: 1

      To bring anything into the gowning room, it must be wiped with alcohol. Oops. I meant into the clean room.

    5. Re:I'm confused by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 1

      Does that include the inside of your mouth?:P

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    6. Re:I'm confused by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      But you're allowed to have a watch exposed and fiddle with it possibly dislodging stuff resting on (or under) it?

      You should either allow both or ban both, because effectively they're the same thing.

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    7. Re:I'm confused by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Yeah, I noticed that dichotomy too. A clean room that allows skin flakes, hair, pocket cruft? Doesn't add up.

      Or they have a place called the "clean room", with lots of gongs and whistles to impress visiting customers ... and bugger-all procedure to back up the "clean theatre"

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    8. Re: I'm confused by chesterw · · Score: 1

      The issue isn't the watch or the phone per se, it's the particulate matter generated by the textiles in regular clothing. Cell phones can be brought into the clean room, but they have to be wiped down first. But without pockets, one does tend to set the phone down, or forget to get it out when gowning. The watch is a good "oops I forgot to get my phone out" remedy.

  49. Better solutions exist by pz · · Score: 1

    How about the extra-ordinary solution of wearing your phone in a pocket that IS accessible within the clean room? Or in one of those exercise arm-band thingies to hold it on your arm outside the gown? There are also bracelets that you can wear that warn you if you get too far from your phone which are inexpensive, so you won't forget your phone in the clean room

    The real question becomes what is allowable for you to wear in your clean room. I'm a little surprised that a watch would be OK, or that bringing your phone in would be OK, but I suppose it depends on the situation.

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  50. Mount your phone on your wrist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah la.. http://www.cultofmac.com/239581/the-saddle-lets-you-mount-an-iphone-onto-your-wrist/

  51. Who wants a watch that you have to recharge daily? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're not the market for smart watches, and that fact has made you useless on this topic, so why post unhelpful derp about your inability to adapt to new technologies?

  52. Maintain Your "Glasshole" image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Accessorize to maintain your "Glasshole" image while in those Luddite establishments that won't allow you to wear your Glass.

  53. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 2

    The entire point of having a battery in a watch is so that you don't have to worry about winding it every day,,, it's good for 3 years and then you replace the battery when it goes.

    If I'm going to replace my watch, something that I've been using for years, and have only had to replace the battery twice since I got it, with something newer, then that newer thing should not create additional inconveniences that far outweigh anything it can do that a watch might not, particularly when there is nothing that it will do which a smart phone does not already do anyways.

    There are a fair number of people out there who happily traded the 2-week battery life of their perfectly functional cell phones for dead-in-a-day smartphones. As it turns out, the inconvenience of having to constantly recharge a smartphone was worth putting up with in exchange for being able to do all the things you can do with a smartphone. Clearly, not everyone shared this sentiment, as you can still see any number of people using non-smartphones today--but significant numbers of people chose functionality over battery life.

    It's hardly a stretch of the imagination to see the same thing happening with smart watches.

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  54. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep, for me too. I love Apple gear, We have 3 iPads at home as well as 3 MacBooks and an iMac and 2 Apple TVs, but I don't have an iPhone (what for? no-one calls me except the missus and I work with computers all day and have access to emails etc, and phone plans cost more than I'm will to pay). An iWatch that needs daily recharging? Mmm, no.
     

  55. That's what smartglasses are for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of buying a smartwatch, get a smartglass. You get all the information needed in front of you: emails, text messages, IM, etc. What you're describing as your requirements are pretty much what a smartglass was designed to do.

  56. Keep outside of your suit by tsa · · Score: 1

    Just lay it on the bench, dress, take it with you inside and keep an eye on it. Cheap and handy.

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  57. You can show it off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and let everyone know you're hip, up-to-style, and have more money than sense.

  58. What should a smart watch do? by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    Smart watches should not simply be small smartphones on your wrist. They should take advantage of their place on your wrist. To my mind that means any reasonable smart watch should do the following:

    Sports applications - specifically it should measure the movement of your arm at the very least, if not the full exercise monitoring/recording of the fitbit and the similar items.

    Medical application - specifically at least measure your pulse, if not full blood sugar, etc.

    In addition it should have a good voice recognition and bluetooth capacity to make up for the small screen size.

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    1. Re:What should a smart watch do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Single guy- measure you know what

    2. Re:What should a smart watch do? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sport applications - They already do that.
      Medical application - A couple can measure your pulse, but it's an extra sensor and thus makes them bigger and cost more. However there's no way I want my smart phone to randomly stick me and draw blood. A body temperature and blue-light sensor would be more useful to track your circadian rhythm. Then you can sleep better instead of requiring a caffeine addition to be alive during the day.
      Voice recognition - Not going to happen. The hardware isn't there for a usable voice recognition embedded within your phone. Some current ones do off-load that info to your phone when then sends it to a cloud service that records everything. Personally I don't use services like that, but most people seem not to care.
      Bluetooth - Every smart watch has bluetooth.

    3. Re:What should a smart watch do? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Basis Peak, if they ever get the notification software, is a good start, but it needs voice recognition.

      Of course, I suppose, if you had a Pebble, you could just program it to bring up voice rec on your smart phone and use your bluetooth headset.

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    4. Re:What should a smart watch do? by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
      I am puzzled.

      Step 1) Someone asks what they should get on their smart watch that they are considering buying.

      Step 2) I list several features they should get.

      Step 3) You point out that all the features I list 'already do that'.

      But you seem to think that a list of features that alread exist is not appropriate response for someone looking for features on their smart watcH? Why?

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  59. Neptune Pine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use a Neptune Pine on a daily basis. It's not a perfected device, but it's good enough for me to prefer it over a conventional smartphone. It's a fully independent smartphone/watch running Android 4.1.2, you should take a look at it. Gen 2 should be an even better device.

  60. Get the previous generation by chesterw · · Score: 1

    I work in a cleanroom as you do and have found that my smartwatch is useful for the very reasons you describe. I have a different suggestion though, which is IMO a more versatile and certainly cheaper. Buy a Motorola MotoACTV and root it. What a lot of people don't realize is that the 360 is actually Motorola's second generation watch already. They billed the MotoACTV as a fitness tracker, but it does all the smartwatch type things stock, and then you can install a custom android ROM and run whatever apps you want. I bought mine off ebay for $60, and with a little help from here I got results similar to this. It basically becomes the world's smallest tablet on your wrist, and my gmail and facebook messenger work fine on it. The only issue I have is that they don't support our corporate exchange server email, but if you set up forwarding you can work around that.

  61. Galaxy Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least a Note 4. Take the stylus out of the phone and put it in your pocket inside the suit. Phone goes outside where you have regular access to it. If you try to walk away and leave the phone on the desk the phone rings because the stylus is too far away.

  62. I love my Moto 360. by nevermore94 · · Score: 1

    By default I get texts and emails on my watch, can set reminders and alarms and text by voice, and of course answer and dismiss calls which is surprising useful with a BT ear piece. But with some good apps like Coffee I can easily send texts, with a custom face I can see my steps and weather outside at a glance (important where I live in the winter). I hardly take out my phone a fraction as much as I used to except to type long texts or emails or occasional web browsing.

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  63. Don't wear a watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess for me I doubt any smart watch would convince me to wear a watch again. Many so far seem to be bulky, uncomfortable, fragile, or rather useless. Who wants a watch they have to charge every night? Yes, obviously like Google Glass you will have techies who will convince themselves how great a smart watch can be. But a niche group can be found for almost any product. Doesn't mean it will be hugely successful or provide enough useful features at a target price that will sell in big numbers. Even Apple may find that smart watches are simply a fad tech gadget that makes people want one before they ever discover a real need for one.

    1. Re:Don't wear a watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People wanting something before they discover a need for it - Isn't this an ideal situation for Apple? Or any other consumer goods company?

  64. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

    Every night, I set my (dumb)watch next to my phone as I plug in the phone to charge. It wouldn't be a hardship for me (or most folks) to plug in their watch at night for charging right alongside their phone.

    Then again, the smartwatch people evidently think it's too much trouble to pull their phone out of their pocket whenever the poor little thing gets upset about something and demands instant attention. So, maybe you're right.

  65. Well that was informative by goldcd · · Score: 1

    From the "I commonly work in a clean-room (CR.)" I knew we were onto a winner here.

    What you actually want to do is not put your phone on the 'inside' of your "CR" gear.

    If that's not an option, then I suspect neither is farting around with a wrist-computer.

    Being serious. I'm a Pebble user and the main service it provides is putting your phone notifications on your wrist - it lets you break the pavlovian response of looking at your phone everytime it goes 'buzz'
    However, it pretty much assumes that when you glance at your wrist and determine it's important, you get out your phone to resolve whatever.
    Depending on your watch of choice, your interaction scope may vary - but they all assume if you need to offer a proper response to whatever, you get out your phone - a smartwatch isn't for you sir.

  66. What can I do with a smart watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Yeah, I've come to realize that slashdot really is just a place for old curmudgeony tech people who automatically hate all new tech...

  67. Missing information: What do you want to do? by j2.718ff · · Score: 1

    At no point did you indicate what you might want to do with a smart watch. We might be able to make some guesses if you told us what kinds of things you commonly do on your smart phone. Without that information, any responses here will be less useful than a few minutes of googling.

    I absolutely love my Pebble. Its primary purpose is in helping me to determine whether I should remove my phone from my pocket or not. The Pebble will show me who's calling me, or will display a text message, or the first few lines of an e-mail. Based upon that, I may or may not want to take out my phone. In my opinion, watches are not very convenient for data entry, so for any tasks that require actual input, I use my phone.

  68. What can you REALLY do with a smart watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wish you had saved your money.

  69. Review of 20 wearable wristbands at The Register by alanw · · Score: 1
  70. Re:Review of 20 wearable wristbands at The Registe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Earlier today

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

    Well spam you very much, Mr Ad Man.

  71. Here is how I use my Gear 2 by johnlcallaway · · Score: 4, Informative

    Ignore the moronic and juvenile posts from above that were more about making the poster feel superior than answering your question. But this is ./, I wasn't surprised.

    I've had my Samsung Gear 2 since July, and find the following functions the most useful, in no specific order. Most smart watches have similar functions, the camera probably being the one that is the missing from many of them.
    1. Telling time (duh)
    2. Timer. Something I use a lot more than I thought I would because it's easier to use and I don't have to take my phone out of my pocket.
    3. Camera. Picture resolution isn't that great, but it's good enough to document things and share on Facebook (which I don't post from the watch, I post from my phone. Might be a way to do it from the watch, just not that much of a facebook fan that I care.) Don't expect to print 8x10 glossy pictures though. After having one, I wouldn't get another smart watch without one, it's so quick and easy to use and always easily available.
    4. Get text messages. You can send them, but it's either by voice which can be annoying to others, or some of the keyboards. Keeping it to short 'yes/no' type 1replies are possible, carrying on a conversation about where to go for dinner and why .. probably not.
    5. Send and take phone calls. As long as someone is in your contacts, the voice recognition works pretty well. The comments I've had from my wife is the quality of the audio on her end is pretty good. Because the speaker and microphone is on your wrist, it can be difficult to hear or hold it comfortably to talk. I had a conversation from about 50 feet away from my phone when I left it inside my car at Home Depot and was in the contractor bay.
    7. Get other notifications. This can drive you nuts, unless you are one of those people that insists on being plugged in constantly. I turned off the email/news notifications, just got too many. Other people that I know that have one use it for those things.
    8. Calculator. Tiny buttons, good for quick calculations.
    10. Store customer cards. I have loaded the bar codes for most of my loyalty cards, makes it easier in some stores with remote readers, useless in others. Since it doesn't care what the bar code is, might be useful in a clean room if you have to scan bar codes.
    11. 'Look behind'. This is an app that lets you see what your phone camera sees. Great for looking under sinks and behind furniture. Probably not very useful in a clean room.
    12. 'Find my phone'. Easier than finding another phone to call your phone when it's lost.
    13. I like the square look more than the round look, makes more sense for a computer screen.

    Caveats:
    1. It's not a platform to spend long amounts of time reading. The screen is small, and even with support, my arm gets tired after using it too much to read the news and other things.
    2. I have to charge it up every couple of days. Because it uses a proprietary cradle, you can't just plug it in to a USB cable to charge it. But .. it's also water and dust resistant, that's the price you pay for those features. I set the display brightness low, which extends the timing.
    3. Fitness programs (i.e. pedometers) chew up the battery life. If you want a fitness watch, get one. If you aren't interested in tracking those types of things, this watch is fine.
    4. Don't even start to believe you are going to type emails on this. The face is just too small for anything other than very small text messages.
    5. While the watch band is replaceable, finding one that fits can be problematic. I haven't spent a lot of time, but because of the way the watch is designed, I think one really needs to go to a store to find one rather than online. I've tried a couple around the house from old watches, and the ones that fit looked like crap. But .. it doesn't require any tools to remove, although the same may or not be true for the one you replace it with.
    6. It's a PIA at night driving or really doing anythin

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    1. Re:Here is how I use my Gear 2 by kwelch007 · · Score: 1

      I realize this poster doesn't often read replies, but THANK YOU! THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS ASKING FOR! There have been hundreds of replies to this question...a handful useful, but this one takes the cake! I think that johnlcallaway has convinced me to be an iteration 1 adopter of a smart-watch. They don't do everything I want, but they do a lot of it.

      P.S. - don't care about Trolls...they can bitch and moan about Apple vs PC or whatever to their heart's content for all I care..I only wanted a legitimate answer, and am frankly shocked that I got /.'d.

    2. Re:Here is how I use my Gear 2 by _merlin · · Score: 1

      What happened to 6 and 9?

    3. Re:Here is how I use my Gear 2 by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      How you use a device is personal to you.
      For some the smart watch will add little to no value. For others they will wonder how they ever lived without it.
      I don't Have any plans for a smart watch in my future, I feel my phone is good enough. But the market is new and l want to see what will become of it.

      Slashdot is generally a bad place to post this type of comments. The population is filled with people still bitter that most of the mainframes they worked on have been retired.

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    4. Re:Here is how I use my Gear 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no step six.

    5. Re:Here is how I use my Gear 2 by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      Too lazy to use HTML and proofread better!

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  72. Android Wear Uses by swv3752 · · Score: 1

    I have an Asus ZenWatch. Below should be able to be done on any Android Wear device. In no particular order I use it for the following:

    Check New Email
    Check SMS
    Check Caller ID
    Check Weather
    Check Calendar and Agenda
    Check Google Now Cards (includes traffic card for my route home)
    Check Other phone notifications
    Dictate Notes
    Check steps walked
    Check Heart rate
    Set Reminders
    and Check the Time

    Some Android Watches have a speaker in addition to the microphone so you answer and talk through your watch for phone calls. My watch can store music on the watch itself and play back through a paired BT headphones without my phone present. One could play games, but I do not see any point.
    I am down to about 40% by Midnight most days. I do not see much issue with recharging it every day as I take it off every night and sticking in the charging cradle just means it is easy to find in the morning.

    Android wear becomes really useful over other options if you enable Google Now. The latest generation of Android Wear watches actually look like a watch (Moto360, LG G Watch R, Asus ZenWatch). If those things do not matter, then get a Pebble or one of the high end Fitbits like a Charge or Surge, or a Nevo Watch ( http://igg.me/at/nevo/x/813785... ). The Nevo is a real watch, with basically a Fitbit Flex built in, and add in colored led notification lights. You will not be able to read an SMS or email on your Nevo, but you can tell the difference when your watch vibrates from a new notification.

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  73. Re:One year too early by hondo77 · · Score: 2

    I remember watching an interview of Steve saying how they put everything into the iPhone, almost as a last shot of reviving Apple.

    Huh? By the time Apple introduced the iPhone, they had already grown bigger than Dell. What is this "reviving" of which you write?

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  74. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's absolutely right.
    Moreover, if you've ever tried disabling data on your phone, you'll probably find that suddenly it easily lasts 2-3 days, which is about as much as a dumb phone.

    It's not just about the battery drain caused by the radio, but rather that a smartphone without data isn't very useful, or about as useful as a dumb phone, i.e. not much.
    (The above doesn't apply if you use a lot of power-hungry offline apps such as GPS or games).

  75. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by mark-t · · Score: 1

    Why create new technologies that can replace old ones when all of the advantages of the new ones over the old are already offered by other existing technologies and the new technology offers a significant *DIS*advantage over what it would replace?

  76. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by mark-t · · Score: 1

    The smart phone not only offers functionality not found in a regular cell phone, but it also offered capabilities not found anywhere else, while also still being in a pocket-sized form factor. The smart watch does nothing a smart phone cannot already do and with its battery life, unless you consider "it stays on your wrist" to be a significant advantage, and has a rather significant disadvantage over a modern digital watch when it comes to power consumption.

  77. Job description? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does your employer agree that you 'need' access to your phone? If yes, they should figure out a way for you to communicate. If no, they may not be so eager for you to bring in personal electronics into the clean room. How clean will your smart watch be after all?

  78. samsung galaxy gear, maybe? by smellsofbikes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My wife has one because she can't fit any modern cellphone in her pockets, and her Veer finally died, so the phone lives in her handbag and she uses her watch. She can answer calls, talk, and hang up without (I believe) even having to touch it, and can send texts ("galaxy, send text. next patient has piece of steel stuck in eyeball, will need more lidocane.") which she then previews visually and tells it verbally to send, again without having to touch it. She's pretty thrilled with it. And it tells time. I'm not sure what else I'd want/need in a watch.
    (I haven't gotten one because I destroy everything I touch so it'd be a waste. But I'm quite envious.)

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  79. This is what I think a wrist computer *should* do by TomGreenhaw · · Score: 1

    I'll probably get an Apple Watch and it will be obsolete within a year. This is the watch I hope somebody will make:

    Applications:
    Time ( analog and digital)
    Weather (current and 5 day)
    Music (streaming and offline/stored to bluetooth headset)
    Games
    Fitness
    Universal Remote (car, thermostat, door locks, tv, game controller, camera, etc)
    Payments/Passbook (nfc, QR-Code wallet)
    Voice Messaging/Notes
    Voice Search (e.g. Siri)
    To Do List
    Hands Free Call
    Facetime/Hangouts
    Calculator
    Calendar/Schedule
    Translate
    Alerts/Notifications integration
    Dashboard/Tracker
    Two factor Authentication
    Data storage/exchange

    Must Have features:
    Microphone
    BlueTooth
    Accelerometer
    Compass
    Vibrate
    iPhone compatibility
    Android compatibility
    iPhone notifications
    Android notifications

    Important features:
    Camera
    NFC
    GPS
    Touch Screen
    Bright LED (flashlight)
    I/R Led (remote control)
    Water Resistance

    Nice to have features:
    Integrated Phone
    Ambient temperature
    Body Temperature
    Blood Pressure
    Video diplay driver/irda
    Swappable Band
    Swappable Case
    Wireless and/or Movement Charging

    Key functionality:
    Shake gestures
    Voice Recognition
    Touch screen gestures
    Swipe keyboard
    Activity context
    Use a desktop web app or tablet app to set up
    Themes
    Reflective display
    Backlit Display

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  80. Armband? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you just get one of those armbands for your phone and wear it over the clean suit?

  81. I want a smartwatch... by antdude · · Score: 1

    ... that doesn't require a mobile phone like those Casio Data Bank calculator watches.

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  82. Fellow Clean Room worker by dan.edwards · · Score: 3, Informative

    I also work in a clean room. I also keep my phone in my pocket and have to leave to access. I have also had two different smart watches. First, should you get a smart watch... YES. It is a complete game changer to be able to feel important notifications on your wrist. If you tweek your notifications just right, you can know if you feel a notification on your wrist it is important. Also I have found the timer functions to be very useful to come back to things while I multitask. I first had a Pebble and now a Moto 360. Pluses and minuses to both units. The biggest plus on the Pebble is the battery life and always on screen. The biggest plus on the Moto is the voice texting which works most of the time even in a noisy environment. Biggest minus for the Pebble is the looks (which is really not much of a minus). The biggest minuses for the Moto 360 is the buggy software and short battery life, but it does last 15 hours for me. Which would I recommend... The Pebble. It is not as sexy, but button presses always win over voice in a noisy environment. The software is much more polished and complete on the Pebble for what you want it to do. The Moto 360 is still feeling out the best way for the software to work on a smart watch. No question in my mind after using both the Pebble is the better design for what it is trying to do. I think the Moto 360 will be a great choice once the software design is improved. The Pebble company is better focused on what a smart watch should be.

    1. Re:Fellow Clean Room worker by kwelch007 · · Score: 1

      I thank you for your informed comment! This is the sort of answer I was asking for!

    2. Re:Fellow Clean Room worker by guyniraxn · · Score: 1

      I also work in a cleanroom. Usually one that is only smock and hairnet but sometimes full suit. I've been to many customer fabs with various restrictions so I'm having a hard time understanding how you can have access to a watch but not a phone tucked in to your cuff. This is what most working in cleanroom fabs around the world do, slide your phone under your cuff when you gown up and have easy access to it the rest of the day. If you're already pulling the cuff away to look at your watch then you can pull it to grab the phone too.

    3. Re:Fellow Clean Room worker by kdub007 · · Score: 1

      The "under-the-cuff" idea is a good one. As for watch, I was thinking of wiping it and placing it outside the cuff after gowning, but this solution could work too. My problem is, I don't work in the CR most times...I only go in to service problems or do maintenance to systems. I'm usually in-and-out and the sometimes back in again, and often need to communicate with people outside in a convenient way (we use Zello as a "walkie-talkie" sort of communication when wired-phone isn't convenient. I think this solution could work, as it is becoming clear to me from this thread that a smart-watch currently can't really do all that I need...maybe someday.

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  83. Re:One year too early by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's a dyslexic who hits capsLock in reverse

  84. Use it to burn money by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

    epecially if the name is prefixed with "i"

  85. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    I had to change the battery in my dumb watch today. I've had it 2+ years and the little LCD display that shows the data (and stopwatch, etc. if I want) blanked out. The hands did continue moving.

    I suppose in another 2+ years I'll have to replace the battery again.

    I can't imagine having to charge a watch. That's almost as archaic as the mechanical watches that you had to remember to wind.

  86. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Why create new technologies that can replace old ones when all of the advantages of the new ones over the old are already offered by other existing technologies and the new technology offers a significant *DIS*advantage over what it would replace?

    When you're a gadget fanatic you have to snap anything new up quickly, because you might not be able to get one if it doesn't last long enough to achieve mainstream acceptance (which is a negative anyway- you want to publicly wield leading edge tech that nobody else has)

    So the gadget vendors create stuff like that to make lots of money from gadget fanatics. It's just 'The Sharper Image' for the new era.

  87. Re:Only developers can write their own smart watch by kwelch007 · · Score: 1

    Funny, because I've been a developer for 17 years, and have written mobile apps. Note the '?' mark, and the previous question about what the best platform to develop for is.

  88. Re:One year too early by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    I'm hoping Apple can surprise us. We need another evolution in tech to allow things to continue moving at the retail level.

    Actually, we need Apple to die, and for the gadget industry to reach the level of being true commodities. We don't need bloodsucking outfits to continue to siphon loot from people in the name of 'fashion.'

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  89. Re:One year too early by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Bigger than Dell at that point in the past when Dell and all the clone outfits were flailing? Before Dell fixed things by going private?

    Sure, at that point Apple was already making a ton of money licensing the iTunes brand for the sugar water sellers to put on their bottlecaps, but that's 'selling sugar water to kids' again.

  90. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by Marginal+Coward · · Score: 1

    I guess I look at it the other way around. I have a very nice 10-year-old Seiko electro/mechanical watch whose battery is a royal pain to both buy and change every year or so (in this case, at least.) Alternatively, I've used a GPS fitness watch in the past few years that needed to be charged every few days, though it only lasts an hour or so if you actually run the GPS. However, once I got in the habit of just charging it every night along with my phone, that's wasn't a big deal.

    I honestly can't understand why it's so much harder to charge a phone and a watch every night than it is to charge a phone alone. If there were such a thing as a phone that ran for two years without charging, I could see your point. What an inconvenience to have to plug in a phone every night! But everybody's used to that by now, because it's just a reality with current battery and phone technology.

    And note that using your notion of "archaic", one could make the point that the current smartphones are archaic compared to the old feature-phones that only needed to be charged every few days. But even when I had one of those, I charged it every night just so I didn't have to think too hard about whether it needed charging or not. Not a big deal once you get used to it.

    While we're at it, don't you just hate it that teeth need to be brushed every night? - that's why I'll never own teeth again!

  91. RTFM by plopez · · Score: 0

    How should I know? I don't even own one. I bet if you google "smart watch manual" you could find lots of information on it. Just RTFM instead bothering us, newbie...

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  92. take your phone out of your pocket? by Goldsmith · · Score: 1

    I commonly work in a clean room too.

    I take my phone out of my pocket, wipe it down, and throw it in my tool box before gowning up.

  93. Listen douchebags by kwelch007 · · Score: 1

    All I wanted to know was, "am I am somehow missing some killer app that makes a Smart-Watch worth-while?"

    A handful of you have actually considered my questions and the detailed description I offered of my scenario, prior to commenting, and I appreciate your comments! The rest of you are freaking children more interested in stirring up some trivial argument and wasting time. No wonder it takes so long for the true users and developers - I happen to be both - to get together and figure out what we really want.

    Shame on you.

  94. Cheapest solution. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't be forgetful and put our phone outside your CR suit. Cheapest solution.

  95. Throw it away. by stooo · · Score: 1

    >> What Can I Really Do With a Smart Watch?

    Throw it away.

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  96. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by Cederic · · Score: 1

    You had the change the battery in your watch? How archaic.

    Even when I'm not wearing an automatic mechanical watch with no battery, I wear a solar powered watch that charges itself.

    I guess the battery in it will wear out, but not for another decade or two.

  97. Re:One year too early by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe he was talking about decabytes?

  98. will someone using one be called a by aurizon · · Score: 1

    Wristhole?

  99. Android Gear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I got my LG G Watch when it came out and was stuck on the first generation Google Gear hardware when all the other good watches (Moto 360) came out, mainly because I had a good discount when I got it. I wouldn't have bought this for retail price, now though I would sorely miss all the functionalities I have baked into this smartwatch to fit my lifestyle. Here are some examples of my usage with it from the most used feature to the rarely accessed one.

    1. Tell the time and/or meetings I have for the day. You will need the watch face ustwo for this, great and useful interface. If there is anticipated rain (not very often in Los Angeles), I use the InstaWeather watch face so I am ahead of weather events.
    2. Quickly view notifications, reminders, Google Now notifications. I had to block some apps from showing up on my watch like facebook and my work email as it was flooding it. Now it is more manageable.
    3. Remind me at a certain time or place of something. I used to do this on my calendar but I found it much easier to bring up my watch and tell it to remind me. Specially the remind me feature that pops up on a certain location.
    4. Play certain play lists on my Sonos system at home. To be able to do this on your Smartwatch, you will need a bunch of apps configured correctly on your phone. Tasker, AutoVoice, Macronos and a rooted phone. (After I have setup my Philips Hue lights, will be able to control that too, using Tasker with AutoHue)
    5. See on my watch motion alerts on my house camera system. I made my camera system to email a certain Gmail address which is monitored by IFTTT and puts the image attachment on the smartwatch.
    6. Reply to text messages using voice. You will need Hangouts for this
    7. Using Tasker I am able to trigger commands using only my voice and I can basically alter the setting on my phone and whatever else it can do. I do not often do this because it is better to set these commands per location/situation than having to trigger it by voice. But the option is there should I need to.
    8. Trigger taking pictures/videos from my phone, no need for selfies and timer anymore. Needs the google Camera app
    9. Add notes to evernote. Usually when I just need to take something down like if I am measuring something or to remember a number.

  100. That's what smartglasses are for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does an Xbox related technology have to do with it?

  101. How about an armband phone case? by Chelloveck · · Score: 1

    Have you considered an armband-style case for your phone? It straps the phone to your body pretty much as if it were a watch. You'd have to remember to take your phone out of your pocket and put it in the case when you suit up, but I assume you'd have the same problem remembering to remove a watch and put it back on over your suit.

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  102. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by mark-t · · Score: 1

    I honestly can't understand why it's so much harder to charge a phone and a watch every night than it is to charge a phone alone.

    Would it be any easier to understand if I said that I don't generally ever take my watch off? Plus, half of the time, I will forget to charge my phone at night anyways... Although the battery will usually last long enough that I can recharge it when I get to work in the morning. Since I do not really need my cell phone to be portable while I am working at my desk, this is not an issue. It would be a royal pain in the ass to have to plug in my watch too, however.... because then I can't wear my watch during the day, when I actually *USE* it.... either that, or I have to spend the day being tethered by the wrist to a cable that is charging my phone.

  103. Most don't allow ANY network-enabled phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know what kind of clean room you are working in but the majority of semiconductor clean rooms don't allow ANY smart phones or any network-enabled or USB-enabled devices inside because of security and IP reasons. You really are going to want to check in on this first: ANY Asian semiconductor fab will terminate you or if you are a contractor, bar you for life, if you take such devices inside their perimeters. Most US fabs of any size have similar rules and restrictions. It certainly sucks if you are doing work for them but it means you actually have to plan our what you are doing more carefully and in advance.

  104. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    If I'm going to replace my watch,

    ... I have to get the wife's permission. She chose it for me as a birthday present, and it ticks enough tech boxes that she plainly did think think about it. Solar powered doesn't work so well in winter here in the high latitudes - sleeve blocks the rare sunlight, and lamp light too. Radio-controlled, tied to UTC with whatever offsets I choose. Non-conductive strap so it can be worn on the worksite. Replacing the watch is not something that is going to happen on a whim.

    See other comments - if it's a "clean room", then I can't imagine how bare skin would be allowed. And for no small number of jobs, memory devices are forbidden in the workplace. So, [shrug] not a problem I'm likely to face.

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  105. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Do your arms get cold because of you not being able to wear long sleeve shirts or a suit coat?

  106. Re:Who wants a watch that you have to recharge dai by Cederic · · Score: 1

    Does your brain get cold because you don't use it?

    When fully charged the watch will only keep going for six months of darkness. It's rare for me to go six months without having lights on in the house (which charge it when I'm not wearing it), lights on in the office (which charge it because I take my watches off to use a computer) or just be outside on a warm day where I don't need long sleeves.