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> I've looked at alcohol prohibition. Alcohol was legal in this country to begin with. The genie was out of the bottle, and we tried to stuff it back in.
So what are you saying? Drugs have always been illegal or didnt exist before 1970? The genie was always in the bottle before drugs were illegal? There was no problem in the first place? Well if there wasn't a problem then why did they start a WOD? Obviously there was a problem... obviously they wanted to solve this problem... obviously with drug statistics as they are this solution to our problem isn't helping. Not only does it help little, but it also takes away personal freedoms. The WOD destroys more lifes than drugs do. It breeds corruption and violence.
> Simple facts of life: Intoxication is a hazard to society. Period. End of story. Intoxication serves no purpose, and it puts other lives in danger.
You STILL try to base your whole argument on the assumption that intoxication has no positive purpose in society. It's not a simple fact of life that intoxication or drugs are a hazard to society. You are being too simplistic. Maybe it's a fact of YOUR life. Maybe you can't see any positive influence, but if I'm not harming anyone but myself. I have the right to do what I want! Once I harm "society" then you may jail me for my crime. Plus, there are many other hazards to society that are not illegal.
> Smoking affects only one individual, with the exception of secondhand smoke. Smoking does not intoxicate a person. If you want to die of cancer, that's up to you.
Smoking pot, tripping, etc. when done at my home in private affects only me. Not society. What part of this can't you understand? I don't believe you have the right to tell me what I can and cannot do in the privacy of my home... thank you. This is not about drugs, this is about personal freedom and choice. You even said "If you want to die of cancer, that's up to you." Well, if I want to sit at home and do drugs that's up to me... not you or society.
>You are not given any presonal liberties that hurt other people. I am not given the right to fire a gun into the air in a crowded neighbhoorohod.
Legalizing drugs is not giving anyone a personal liberty to hurt people. If drugs were legalized there should be a law against public intoxication... kind of like there is now. It seems like in your brain you have this idea that once someone becomes intoxicated they are going to damage society or some other person. Not every one who uses drugs is a freaked out junkie looking to shoot someone. Please, understand this.
> If you don't beleive in the damage of intoxication, then re-read my original post. The statistics are there. I don't beleive in collateral damage.
If you dont believe in collateral damage I bet you don't eat any meat, drive any cars, drink any alcohol, buy any products that through manufacturing cause pollution...etc etc. Get you head out of your ass! Just because YOU(or the government) can't find a positive reason for using drugs doesnt mean you(or the government) can take away the right for me to put what I want in my body in the privacy of my own home.
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Good point. I agree. Anyone with a drug license would probably be discriminated against even though they shouldn't be.
So I can't brew my own beer in BC. What is their reasoning behind that... I'd like to know if you know.
Now maybe I have a hot temper, but if weed helps me drive better then why the fuck can't i use it? Give me just one good example as to why if pot helps me relax and perform better while driving I should not be allowed to do it? Driving should be based on performance... not your state of mind!
Even if people start thinking they should use some coke so they don't get pulled over for being tired who cares? Well I don't care that's their choice... so long as they can keep control of the car and perform well under the influence.
And yea, I have tried to calm a bit while driving... it's just hard to do. I duno, maybe it's like clinical depression. You can't tell someone to get better and be happy. They need some type of drug to make them that way. But of course it is ok when a child is hyper... he just gets some ridilin. Cheers.
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What? Apples n Oranges? My point was that anything and everything has a bad side and a good side. Death... as evil as it may be is a good thing too. Religion... as good as people may think it to be has its bad sides to it. We can't take away personal freedoms b/c someone gets hurt every once in a while. Life happens, shit happens. You base your whole arguement on the assumption that drugs are all bad for society unless used for medicinal reasons. There are a lot of things that have no benefit to society that aren't illegal. What kind of positive things happen to society b/c of smokers? Drinkers? Should we go back to banning alcohol?
Now let me ask you... how do you know drugs serve no practical purpose in society? Because of horror stories you've heard or all the government propaganda? I believe LSD provides a very practical purpose. Exploration. Maybe you are sold on what you beleive to be true, but I'd like to explore my mind and how I react to certain chemicals. I also believe pot provides a practical purpose. Stress reduction. How many stoners are out looking for fights on the town or showing off their car like all these drunk dumbasses? Ecstacy can be practical b/c it can show you love and affection. They use to prescibe MDMA(ecstacy) as medicine... which you kind of touched on a bit. Have you ever heard of the late comedian Bill Hicks? He said something like... "If you don't think drugs have done any good in your life, why don't you go home and burn all the records and cd's that have enhanced your life over the years... cuz you know what?? reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealllll fuckin high on drugs" Now maybe you don't listen to music, or maybe you don't listen to music that has influenced you in some good way. Hell maybe you listen to Michael Bolton, he's probably a coke head anyway. The point is that drugs are bad but can be good, all you've heard over your lifetime is how bad drugs are. Get a clue! Just because they don't serve your needs or this society's doesnt mean I can't do them in the privacy of my own home. Drugs have touched your life in more ways than one, some good, some bad. You probably don't even know all the countless times drugs have affected you.
Now I haven't heard of a heroin user breaking out a needle to loosen up either. You know why? Because it is illegal to use heroin. Why in the hell would any heroin addict who uses it recreationally to chill out call his local news so they can spread the story around so that everyone knows he's doing it just to prove to you that there are people in this world who can use drugs responsibly? All of these ill side-effects get magnified because of the WOD. Crime, poverty, addiction, etc etc.
The same exact thing happened when alcohol was prohibited... We had problems in society caused by alcohol. So we banned alcohol. The problems still exsisted and got even worse in most cases. I bet it even helped some people. Finally they came to the realization that prohibition is causing more harm than good and ended it. Do you understand that? If not then you should start reading some history on drug laws and why they were even made laws in the first place. Some of it may even surprise you. Especially b/c you like to think we should ban things that hurt society or have no positive influences. The politics that went into making hemp illegal was all about money. All the bad evil stuff you hear was just used to make the public support the ban. I'm sure you've heard of the company who faught for hemp prohibition. Go do some research.
And by legalization we aren't advocating kids use drugs. We aren't telling anyone to use drugs. Do we as a society advocate smoking and drinking? Not really. Atleast not to kids. I would like to see an industry regulated somewhat like alcohol and tobacco. I consider smoking bad, I don't smoke, but I am not going to ask everyone to stop smoking b/c my mom got killed by some jackass trying to light a cig in his car and lost control of his vehicle. That was his stupid ass mistake, and it's unfortunate that someone lost their life but society cannot control this ever, it's a part of life! And when you try to control it with a war on whatever... well I think Ive made my point... look at alcohol prohibition if you still fail to see it.
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Sure he realizes that the WOD is not helping, I give him that. Drugs can be addictive, we should treat this as an illness, not a criminal activity.
Let me make a point...
The fact is money affects everyone. 99% of crime can be traced back to money related issues. About 99% of all physcial abuse is due to money problems. The only reason I go to work everyday is because of money. Every business man trying to make a buck is addicted to money and should be jailed b/c money causes social problems.
Get the point?
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Have you seen this movie? Maybe it will show you why our WOD is stupid.
And prozac is a mental cruch. It's just an accepted one. As well as too many other legal drugs.
Who are you tell me what I can and cannot do in my free time?
If I choose to decide to take 10 hits of acid and go for a long drive and I wind up killing someone then I should be in jail.
I should not be in jail for using drugs unless I cause a violent crime, damage property, etc.
To comment on this "non-direct" crap... You don't die directly from the drugs or indirectly! You die b/c a decision was made to take a drugs and go drive. You are dead b/c someone was stupid. Well if stupid people cause all these deaths why don't we start testing people on how stupid they are and put them in jail? That would solve the problem, huh? Get this through your head -- SHIT HAPPENS no matter what... that's life. Don't threaten my private life b/c your brother died from some junkie driving too fast b/c he had to go suck some dick for crack b/c of an addiction(sickness). If he had means to get drugs legally he wouldn't need to go out sucking dick anyways. Or he could just go to rehab to get some help.
You are using the logic that b/c drugs cause deaths or accidents directly or indirectly then they should be illegal. So by that logic cars, guns, sex, eating, smoking, drinking, etc etc etc LIVING...should be illegal. I thought most people already learned from alcohol prohibition. I guess most have not.
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Last night Bill had a little segment on the WOD. I watched him battle it out with a guy who was for drug reform and legalization.
It seemed that Bill was caught up on the fact that drugs are a social thing and usually done to get high with friends. Sure drugs destroy lives. But so do car crashes. This image of a crack-out junkie coming to rob you is only here because we prohibit drug use. There wouldnt really be many junkies out there who rob to get money for drugs. If drugs were regulated the junkie could get his drugs at a decent price and screw his own life up as he wishes. If he starts getting violent then he should be arrested. If he causes harm to property he should go to jail. We should not, however, put people in jail b/c they use drugs. Maybe we should try to get them to go to rehab.
Bill did make many good points, and he does on his website. It's too bad he fails to understand that no one is ever going to be able to control millions of americans who choose to use illegal drugs. Sure we can't control it or stop it but we can fight it, right? Wrong! We need to educate people about drugs with facts, not government propaganda and violence. That just breeds more violence and more corruption and more problems.
I found his last point before he stopped the show to be very very funny. He said "If I were the drug czar we'd have no drug problems in two years!"
My god, what a pathetic man. Drugs are here to stay aslong as there is a demand for them. Too bad he can't get this through his thick skull.
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If the War on Drugs is so absurd, why is the U.S.A. wasting millions of dollars on such a futile war?
Simple. Money and Power. This money being "wasted" is your(taxpayers) money not the governments. Why should they care if it's wasted they still get power and control.
I'd like to hope the WOD had good intentions by trying to help people. It's too bad it has turned into a big joke that the american public still supports b/c of constant propaganda. Drugs are bad... mmmkay!
Do some research, you will find that infact the government has been lying to you, and here is a study done in New Mexico recently that even tells us this. This study was commisioned by the govener of New Mexico. Cheers.
I agree, reaction time may be slower as well as decision making. I also would agree that driving needs higher standards. I would suggest a reaction type test or impairment test be done. You have to pass it 2 out of 3 times or something. If you are driving badly, you need to pass this test or you are too tired, too stoned, too whatever to drive. You should be off the road. But drugs are not the root cause of most of the traffic accidents around. It's stupidity and carelessness... like you said. It's hard for humans to take the blame. So we blame it on drugs/cell phones/etc. The drugs/cell phones aren't what is causing the car crashes, it's the stupid people using them that cause these so called "accidents."
This is just personal for me, but I'm sure it's true for many other people too. When I'm not high and I drive I tend to go atleast 10-15 over the speed limit and weave in and out of lanes to get around cars b/c I want to get off the road and home or whereever. Plus I tend to get bad road rage:). Driving stoned I do no more than 5 over the limit, never cut anyone off, tend to follow cars with a fair amount of distance between them and me. I also don't get road rage. Again, this is just personal and how it works for me. Of course there are people out there who shouldn't drive while stoned. I wouldnt suggest driving stoned but I wouldnt make a law that you can't. I'd make a law that says if you can't pass this standardized reaction/impairement test then you are not legal to drive.
Again, I agree that we need to have government regulated drug shops or some type of regulation. However, I don't agree with not allowing your own cultivation. People can grow tobacco. Hell, and sharing it with your friends isn't a big deal. Why can't I grow a little pot and share it? Same with alcohol. By no means am I saying we shouldn't have regulation.
And yes, decriminalization is VERY important if we are going to try to control this problem. I think, if atleast we can agree on that then we are getting somewhere. Cheers.:)
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The mob may be around, but they no longer go around shooting eachother over bad alcohol deals like they did when alcohol was prohibited. If we decriminalized drugs and the government regulated them why would the mobs need to deal drugs? They wouldn't! Plus the mob does many other illegal things. The mob isn't here because of the WOD they just help compound the problems with the WOD.
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People abuse their driver's licesnes don't they? People get them suspended and don't care. They just drive to work the next day like nothing happened.
I think you are missing the point. Before the 20's there were similar problems with alcohol as there are today. People were getting violent from alcohol, causing accidents, tearing up families, etc. Then came along prohibition. They said "ok, lets solve the problem by banning alcohol." Well, shit hit the fan and for the time that it was prohibited more damage was done than good. That is the point with our drug war. More damage is currently being done, and more lives are being ruined, and more people are being robbed in our current state.
We need to realize that all drugs currently listed as illegal are NOT evil dangerous go shoot your neighbor b/c im high type of drugs. Go do some research on medical marijuana. Drugs can be used to explore the mind, to relax, to help sick people. It should be my right to put what I want into MY body aslong as I am not hurting anyonse else.
I agree, violent drug offenders need to be behind bars. Imagine this as hard as it may be... you probably know a few drug users in your life. You probably don't know who they are b/c they hide it well enough. And who does it harm, no one but the user--if that even.
How about this. Since you must agree that driver's licenses are a good thing when driving. Perhaps we need this type of thing for drug use. A license to use drugs. You'll go to a class that educates on proper use and risks. Maybe even a class that tries to get you to not use them, but still gives facts and education. Then once you have your license you can go buy drugs legally. If you don't have a license you can't buy any. If you miss-use drugs or get caught selling you get a fine or a suspension on your license or even rehab. But like I pointed out earlier, people will still drive with or without a license... and the same would hold true in this scenario. But! This would still be better than our current situation. Instead of shooting people up and tearing apart more lives than drugs do in the first place, we need to bring a better social plan for drugs to the table. We need to look at alternatives b/c lives are being ruined day by day.
Substance abuse and addiction is not a problem that is going to go away by putting people in a jail. What, do you think there are no drugs in jail? Don't be so blind. If there is a demand there will be a supply. Addiction needs to be treated as an addiction not as a crime.
I think your statement that most people cannot drink responsibly is untrue. Plus, what do you consider responsible? Going out drinking and not killing or harming anyone? I also think that the majority of people use drugs resoponsibly... or atleast don't harm others while using. You dwell on the bad aspects, the things you only know. Like I said earlier, many people use drugs and no one is the wiser. How can we say that all drug users are bad? We can't and shouldn't. People drive around recreationally all the time. We don't try to stop them b/c they may get into an accident and kill someone. The governement, you, or I cannot control a majority of what goes on in this world. It is full of beings that do what they want when they want... for the most part. Drugs are here to stay, death is here to stay, accidents are here to stay. Trying to control every aspect of this world is insane. Yes, we can try to prevent... but the WOD is NOT preventing anything but legal use of substances. People can get drugs easier than they ever have.
And you know what's sad? The war on drug is just a billion dollar industry that breeds violence and corruption. By now the war on drugs is so messed up that I don't think the gov'ment even cares about helping drug users anymore. Politicians just need to keep this thing going to save jobs and to take bribes and the like. They don't care if some normal guy who lives his life without harming another person gets busted for drugs... drugs are bad mmmkay, put him in jail he's bad. Yet he never harmed a person in his life. It's all about the power and the money. The american public needs to wake up and dispose of all the government propaganda about how drugs are so evil. This WOD needs to stop!
"And the same can be done for drivers stoned, high or otherwise doped-up. And for drivers who are putting on their makeup, chatting on their cellphone or otherwise abusing their driving
privileges."
Here is a well done study on driving under the influence of pot. I think we need to pull drivers over when they drive out of control. Not just because they are under the influence of some substance. At least not pot. It's been shown to actually make drivers drive more cautiously.
"Caught selling drugs on the street? Mandatory jail-time and a massive fine. Caught growing your own? Mandatory jail-time and fine."
I agree that if you are caught selling on the street there should at least be a fine. On the other hand if you are growing for your own personal use and consumption, or just to give to friends then you should be ok. People make their own beer all the time. We should be able to grow a plant that is naturally here on earth!
I think you've touched on some major points concering legalization or decriminalization, but I think it needs to be refined in a few places as I have pointed out above. Cheers.
What's the government's batting average for drug programs that actually work??? Hmm... maybe.010 in a good season. Let's face it... drugs need to be treated as an addiction and not a crime. We need to inform young people about drugs by telling them the truth... not lies and more lies like the DEA does. Don't get me wrong, some of the information provided is true, however, a large amount is just plain wrong.
We need to stop spending our War on Drugs money(3 trillion in the last 12 years) on law enforment efforts and start spending more of it on prevention and addiction programs such as D.A.R.E. or AA
Yea I had the same problem with my tv tuner... had to change xawtv overlay mode off or something. But then when my computer would use some cpu the picture would slow down or jerk. Had to go back to 'ole XFREE3.3.whateveriwasusing.
Hasn't this type of thing been happening in China already?
It's even worse, these people aren't even using a loophole... they're just saying 'fuck you' we're using your GPL'ed code and not releasing the changes.
If you went to the job fair at the dane county coliseum you would have been able to talk to many potential employers for when you graduate. Also, from what I heard, there weren't many jobs for MCSE's. Most wanted UNIX type Admins... many looking for UW grads. So don't worry. If you're going to stay around here you shouldn't have any problems finding a decent job.
Good luck on replacing MSIE in AOL. The main reason for IE to be with AOL is the fact that AOL gets to ship it's product with every windoze version. If AOL gave up that market share they'd stop getting the boat loads of stupid customers they have. Practically all of AOL's market is for the underaverage to average users as most of us know.
In fact, if you recall AOL bought Netscape. You'd think that since AOL now runs Netscape they would throw their own browser in their own software. Well, it hasn't happend yet and don't expect it to happen very soon.
I can only guess, but I'm sure that the "microsoft fee" they fork over to have the browser included sure pays off.
What's even worse is that AOL keeps growing and they offer a below average service in my opinion. I hate to say it but I did some tech support for AOL. It bugged me that for every person that wanted to cancel their service ten more would wonder how they put AOL on their computer. I've even talked to people who knew how much AOL sucked yet they still kept their AOL accounts... retards I tell ya! The newbie market can make you a lot of money, and AOL has it cornered nicely.
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> I've looked at alcohol prohibition. Alcohol was legal in this country to begin with. The genie was out of the bottle, and we tried to stuff it back in.
So what are you saying? Drugs have always been illegal or didnt exist before 1970? The genie was always in the bottle before drugs were illegal? There was no problem in the first place? Well if there wasn't a problem then why did they start a WOD? Obviously there was a problem... obviously they wanted to solve this problem... obviously with drug statistics as they are this solution to our problem isn't helping. Not only does it help little, but it also takes away personal freedoms. The WOD destroys more lifes than drugs do. It breeds corruption and violence.
> Simple facts of life: Intoxication is a hazard to society. Period. End of story. Intoxication serves no purpose, and it puts other lives in danger.
You STILL try to base your whole argument on the assumption that intoxication has no positive purpose in society. It's not a simple fact of life that intoxication or drugs are a hazard to society. You are being too simplistic. Maybe it's a fact of YOUR life. Maybe you can't see any positive influence, but if I'm not harming anyone but myself. I have the right to do what I want! Once I harm "society" then you may jail me for my crime. Plus, there are many other hazards to society that are not illegal.
> Smoking affects only one individual, with the exception of secondhand smoke. Smoking does not intoxicate a person. If you want to die of cancer, that's up to you.
Smoking pot, tripping, etc. when done at my home in private affects only me. Not society. What part of this can't you understand? I don't believe you have the right to tell me what I can and cannot do in the privacy of my home... thank you. This is not about drugs, this is about personal freedom and choice. You even said "If you want to die of cancer, that's up to you." Well, if I want to sit at home and do drugs that's up to me... not you or society.
>You are not given any presonal liberties that hurt other people. I am not given the right to fire a gun into the air in a crowded neighbhoorohod.
Legalizing drugs is not giving anyone a personal liberty to hurt people. If drugs were legalized there should be a law against public intoxication... kind of like there is now. It seems like in your brain you have this idea that once someone becomes intoxicated they are going to damage society or some other person. Not every one who uses drugs is a freaked out junkie looking to shoot someone. Please, understand this.
> If you don't beleive in the damage of intoxication, then re-read my original post. The statistics are there. I don't beleive in collateral damage.
If you dont believe in collateral damage I bet you don't eat any meat, drive any cars, drink any alcohol, buy any products that through manufacturing cause pollution...etc etc. Get you head out of your ass! Just because YOU(or the government) can't find a positive reason for using drugs doesnt mean you(or the government) can take away the right for me to put what I want in my body in the privacy of my own home.
Good point. I agree. Anyone with a drug license would probably be discriminated against even though they shouldn't be.
yea, we're all being tracked and should shortly have our front doors rammed in so we can be arrested :) Only in America, baby!
So I can't brew my own beer in BC. What is their reasoning behind that... I'd like to know if you know.
Now maybe I have a hot temper, but if weed helps me drive better then why the fuck can't i use it? Give me just one good example as to why if pot helps me relax and perform better while driving I should not be allowed to do it? Driving should be based on performance... not your state of mind!
Even if people start thinking they should use some coke so they don't get pulled over for being tired who cares? Well I don't care that's their choice... so long as they can keep control of the car and perform well under the influence.
And yea, I have tried to calm a bit while driving... it's just hard to do. I duno, maybe it's like clinical depression. You can't tell someone to get better and be happy. They need some type of drug to make them that way. But of course it is ok when a child is hyper... he just gets some ridilin. Cheers.
What? Apples n Oranges? My point was that anything and everything has a bad side and a good side. Death... as evil as it may be is a good thing too. Religion... as good as people may think it to be has its bad sides to it. We can't take away personal freedoms b/c someone gets hurt every once in a while. Life happens, shit happens. You base your whole arguement on the assumption that drugs are all bad for society unless used for medicinal reasons. There are a lot of things that have no benefit to society that aren't illegal. What kind of positive things happen to society b/c of smokers? Drinkers? Should we go back to banning alcohol?
Now let me ask you... how do you know drugs serve no practical purpose in society? Because of horror stories you've heard or all the government propaganda? I believe LSD provides a very practical purpose. Exploration. Maybe you are sold on what you beleive to be true, but I'd like to explore my mind and how I react to certain chemicals. I also believe pot provides a practical purpose. Stress reduction. How many stoners are out looking for fights on the town or showing off their car like all these drunk dumbasses? Ecstacy can be practical b/c it can show you love and affection. They use to prescibe MDMA(ecstacy) as medicine... which you kind of touched on a bit. Have you ever heard of the late comedian Bill Hicks? He said something like... "If you don't think drugs have done any good in your life, why don't you go home and burn all the records and cd's that have enhanced your life over the years... cuz you know what?? reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealllll fuckin high on drugs" Now maybe you don't listen to music, or maybe you don't listen to music that has influenced you in some good way. Hell maybe you listen to Michael Bolton, he's probably a coke head anyway. The point is that drugs are bad but can be good, all you've heard over your lifetime is how bad drugs are. Get a clue! Just because they don't serve your needs or this society's doesnt mean I can't do them in the privacy of my own home. Drugs have touched your life in more ways than one, some good, some bad. You probably don't even know all the countless times drugs have affected you.
Now I haven't heard of a heroin user breaking out a needle to loosen up either. You know why? Because it is illegal to use heroin. Why in the hell would any heroin addict who uses it recreationally to chill out call his local news so they can spread the story around so that everyone knows he's doing it just to prove to you that there are people in this world who can use drugs responsibly? All of these ill side-effects get magnified because of the WOD. Crime, poverty, addiction, etc etc.
The same exact thing happened when alcohol was prohibited... We had problems in society caused by alcohol. So we banned alcohol. The problems still exsisted and got even worse in most cases. I bet it even helped some people. Finally they came to the realization that prohibition is causing more harm than good and ended it. Do you understand that? If not then you should start reading some history on drug laws and why they were even made laws in the first place. Some of it may even surprise you. Especially b/c you like to think we should ban things that hurt society or have no positive influences. The politics that went into making hemp illegal was all about money. All the bad evil stuff you hear was just used to make the public support the ban. I'm sure you've heard of the company who faught for hemp prohibition. Go do some research.
And by legalization we aren't advocating kids use drugs. We aren't telling anyone to use drugs. Do we as a society advocate smoking and drinking? Not really. Atleast not to kids. I would like to see an industry regulated somewhat like alcohol and tobacco. I consider smoking bad, I don't smoke, but I am not going to ask everyone to stop smoking b/c my mom got killed by some jackass trying to light a cig in his car and lost control of his vehicle. That was his stupid ass mistake, and it's unfortunate that someone lost their life but society cannot control this ever, it's a part of life! And when you try to control it with a war on whatever... well I think Ive made my point... look at alcohol prohibition if you still fail to see it.
Sure he realizes that the WOD is not helping, I give him that. Drugs can be addictive, we should treat this as an illness, not a criminal activity.
Let me make a point...
The fact is money affects everyone. 99% of crime can be traced back to money related issues. About 99% of all physcial abuse is due to money problems. The only reason I go to work everyday is because of money. Every business man trying to make a buck is addicted to money and should be jailed b/c money causes social problems.
Get the point?
Have you seen this movie? Maybe it will show you why our WOD is stupid.
And prozac is a mental cruch. It's just an accepted one. As well as too many other legal drugs.
Who are you tell me what I can and cannot do in my free time?
If I choose to decide to take 10 hits of acid and go for a long drive and I wind up killing someone then I should be in jail.
I should not be in jail for using drugs unless I cause a violent crime, damage property, etc.
To comment on this "non-direct" crap... You don't die directly from the drugs or indirectly! You die b/c a decision was made to take a drugs and go drive. You are dead b/c someone was stupid. Well if stupid people cause all these deaths why don't we start testing people on how stupid they are and put them in jail? That would solve the problem, huh? Get this through your head -- SHIT HAPPENS no matter what... that's life. Don't threaten my private life b/c your brother died from some junkie driving too fast b/c he had to go suck some dick for crack b/c of an addiction(sickness). If he had means to get drugs legally he wouldn't need to go out sucking dick anyways. Or he could just go to rehab to get some help.
You are using the logic that b/c drugs cause deaths or accidents directly or indirectly then they should be illegal. So by that logic cars, guns, sex, eating, smoking, drinking, etc etc etc LIVING...should be illegal. I thought most people already learned from alcohol prohibition. I guess most have not.
Last night Bill had a little segment on the WOD. I watched him battle it out with a guy who was for drug reform and legalization.
It seemed that Bill was caught up on the fact that drugs are a social thing and usually done to get high with friends. Sure drugs destroy lives. But so do car crashes. This image of a crack-out junkie coming to rob you is only here because we prohibit drug use. There wouldnt really be many junkies out there who rob to get money for drugs. If drugs were regulated the junkie could get his drugs at a decent price and screw his own life up as he wishes. If he starts getting violent then he should be arrested. If he causes harm to property he should go to jail. We should not, however, put people in jail b/c they use drugs. Maybe we should try to get them to go to rehab.
Bill did make many good points, and he does on his website. It's too bad he fails to understand that no one is ever going to be able to control millions of americans who choose to use illegal drugs. Sure we can't control it or stop it but we can fight it, right? Wrong! We need to educate people about drugs with facts, not government propaganda and violence. That just breeds more violence and more corruption and more problems.
I found his last point before he stopped the show to be very very funny. He said "If I were the drug czar we'd have no drug problems in two years!"
My god, what a pathetic man. Drugs are here to stay aslong as there is a demand for them. Too bad he can't get this through his thick skull.
If the War on Drugs is so absurd, why is the U.S.A. wasting millions of dollars on such a futile war?
Simple. Money and Power. This money being "wasted" is your(taxpayers) money not the governments. Why should they care if it's wasted they still get power and control.
I'd like to hope the WOD had good intentions by trying to help people. It's too bad it has turned into a big joke that the american public still supports b/c of constant propaganda. Drugs are bad... mmmkay!
Do some research, you will find that infact the government has been lying to you, and here is a study done in New Mexico recently that even tells us this. This study was commisioned by the govener of New Mexico. Cheers.
I agree, reaction time may be slower as well as decision making. I also would agree that driving needs higher standards. I would suggest a reaction type test or impairment test be done. You have to pass it 2 out of 3 times or something. If you are driving badly, you need to pass this test or you are too tired, too stoned, too whatever to drive. You should be off the road. But drugs are not the root cause of most of the traffic accidents around. It's stupidity and carelessness... like you said. It's hard for humans to take the blame. So we blame it on drugs/cell phones/etc. The drugs/cell phones aren't what is causing the car crashes, it's the stupid people using them that cause these so called "accidents."
:). Driving stoned I do no more than 5 over the limit, never cut anyone off, tend to follow cars with a fair amount of distance between them and me. I also don't get road rage. Again, this is just personal and how it works for me. Of course there are people out there who shouldn't drive while stoned. I wouldnt suggest driving stoned but I wouldnt make a law that you can't. I'd make a law that says if you can't pass this standardized reaction/impairement test then you are not legal to drive.
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This is just personal for me, but I'm sure it's true for many other people too. When I'm not high and I drive I tend to go atleast 10-15 over the speed limit and weave in and out of lanes to get around cars b/c I want to get off the road and home or whereever. Plus I tend to get bad road rage
Again, I agree that we need to have government regulated drug shops or some type of regulation. However, I don't agree with not allowing your own cultivation. People can grow tobacco. Hell, and sharing it with your friends isn't a big deal. Why can't I grow a little pot and share it? Same with alcohol. By no means am I saying we shouldn't have regulation.
And yes, decriminalization is VERY important if we are going to try to control this problem. I think, if atleast we can agree on that then we are getting somewhere. Cheers.
i'll 2nd that
The mob may be around, but they no longer go around shooting eachother over bad alcohol deals like they did when alcohol was prohibited. If we decriminalized drugs and the government regulated them why would the mobs need to deal drugs? They wouldn't! Plus the mob does many other illegal things. The mob isn't here because of the WOD they just help compound the problems with the WOD.
People abuse their driver's licesnes don't they? People get them suspended and don't care. They just drive to work the next day like nothing happened.
I think you are missing the point. Before the 20's there were similar problems with alcohol as there are today. People were getting violent from alcohol, causing accidents, tearing up families, etc. Then came along prohibition. They said "ok, lets solve the problem by banning alcohol." Well, shit hit the fan and for the time that it was prohibited more damage was done than good. That is the point with our drug war. More damage is currently being done, and more lives are being ruined, and more people are being robbed in our current state.
We need to realize that all drugs currently listed as illegal are NOT evil dangerous go shoot your neighbor b/c im high type of drugs. Go do some research on medical marijuana. Drugs can be used to explore the mind, to relax, to help sick people. It should be my right to put what I want into MY body aslong as I am not hurting anyonse else.
I agree, violent drug offenders need to be behind bars. Imagine this as hard as it may be... you probably know a few drug users in your life. You probably don't know who they are b/c they hide it well enough. And who does it harm, no one but the user--if that even.
How about this. Since you must agree that driver's licenses are a good thing when driving. Perhaps we need this type of thing for drug use. A license to use drugs. You'll go to a class that educates on proper use and risks. Maybe even a class that tries to get you to not use them, but still gives facts and education. Then once you have your license you can go buy drugs legally. If you don't have a license you can't buy any. If you miss-use drugs or get caught selling you get a fine or a suspension on your license or even rehab. But like I pointed out earlier, people will still drive with or without a license... and the same would hold true in this scenario. But! This would still be better than our current situation. Instead of shooting people up and tearing apart more lives than drugs do in the first place, we need to bring a better social plan for drugs to the table. We need to look at alternatives b/c lives are being ruined day by day.
Substance abuse and addiction is not a problem that is going to go away by putting people in a jail. What, do you think there are no drugs in jail? Don't be so blind. If there is a demand there will be a supply. Addiction needs to be treated as an addiction not as a crime.
I think your statement that most people cannot drink responsibly is untrue. Plus, what do you consider responsible? Going out drinking and not killing or harming anyone? I also think that the majority of people use drugs resoponsibly... or atleast don't harm others while using. You dwell on the bad aspects, the things you only know. Like I said earlier, many people use drugs and no one is the wiser. How can we say that all drug users are bad? We can't and shouldn't. People drive around recreationally all the time. We don't try to stop them b/c they may get into an accident and kill someone. The governement, you, or I cannot control a majority of what goes on in this world. It is full of beings that do what they want when they want... for the most part. Drugs are here to stay, death is here to stay, accidents are here to stay. Trying to control every aspect of this world is insane. Yes, we can try to prevent... but the WOD is NOT preventing anything but legal use of substances. People can get drugs easier than they ever have.
And you know what's sad? The war on drug is just a billion dollar industry that breeds violence and corruption. By now the war on drugs is so messed up that I don't think the gov'ment even cares about helping drug users anymore. Politicians just need to keep this thing going to save jobs and to take bribes and the like. They don't care if some normal guy who lives his life without harming another person gets busted for drugs... drugs are bad mmmkay, put him in jail he's bad. Yet he never harmed a person in his life. It's all about the power and the money. The american public needs to wake up and dispose of all the government propaganda about how drugs are so evil. This WOD needs to stop!
"And the same can be done for drivers stoned, high or otherwise doped-up. And for drivers who are putting on their makeup, chatting on their cellphone or otherwise abusing their driving privileges."
Here is a well done study on driving under the influence of pot. I think we need to pull drivers over when they drive out of control. Not just because they are under the influence of some substance. At least not pot. It's been shown to actually make drivers drive more cautiously.
"Caught selling drugs on the street? Mandatory jail-time and a massive fine. Caught growing your own? Mandatory jail-time and fine."
I agree that if you are caught selling on the street there should at least be a fine. On the other hand if you are growing for your own personal use and consumption, or just to give to friends then you should be ok. People make their own beer all the time. We should be able to grow a plant that is naturally here on earth!
I think you've touched on some major points concering legalization or decriminalization, but I think it needs to be refined in a few places as I have pointed out above. Cheers.
What's the government's batting average for drug programs that actually work??? Hmm... maybe .010 in a good season. Let's face it... drugs need to be treated as an addiction and not a crime. We need to inform young people about drugs by telling them the truth... not lies and more lies like the DEA does. Don't get me wrong, some of the information provided is true, however, a large amount is just plain wrong.
We need to stop spending our War on Drugs money(3 trillion in the last 12 years) on law enforment efforts and start spending more of it on prevention and addiction programs such as D.A.R.E. or AA
Thank you.
-toolj23
I'm getting a nice 300k/sec with my cable... thanks.
btw, your link was wrong... here is a working one.
Yea I had the same problem with my tv tuner... had to change xawtv overlay mode off or something. But then when my computer would use some cpu the picture would slow down or jerk. Had to go back to 'ole XFREE3.3.whateveriwasusing.
Well, most power computer users build their systems from scratch. Why? Take a guess.
There is a date in there from 1997. Sounds like a lot of that stuff is old and outdated. Linux has come a long way since 1997.
He obviously said 'obviously' 21 times in his obvious resposnses.
You'd also think that Cliff might search for this stuff before he posts it. Maybe we can get a better Ask Slashdot question then.
Hasn't this type of thing been happening in China already?
It's even worse, these people aren't even using a loophole... they're just saying 'fuck you' we're using your GPL'ed code and not releasing the changes.
If you went to the job fair at the dane county coliseum you would have been able to talk to many potential employers for when you graduate. Also, from what I heard, there weren't many jobs for MCSE's. Most wanted UNIX type Admins... many looking for UW grads. So don't worry. If you're going to stay around here you shouldn't have any problems finding a decent job.
Good luck on replacing MSIE in AOL. The main reason for IE to be with AOL is the fact that AOL gets to ship it's product with every windoze version. If AOL gave up that market share they'd stop getting the boat loads of stupid customers they have. Practically all of AOL's market is for the underaverage to average users as most of us know.
In fact, if you recall AOL bought Netscape. You'd think that since AOL now runs Netscape they would throw their own browser in their own software. Well, it hasn't happend yet and don't expect it to happen very soon.
I can only guess, but I'm sure that the "microsoft fee" they fork over to have the browser included sure pays off.
What's even worse is that AOL keeps growing and they offer a below average service in my opinion. I hate to say it but I did some tech support for AOL. It bugged me that for every person that wanted to cancel their service ten more would wonder how they put AOL on their computer. I've even talked to people who knew how much AOL sucked yet they still kept their AOL accounts... retards I tell ya! The newbie market can make you a lot of money, and AOL has it cornered nicely.
I agree. What an ass!!!