Lord Omlette (124579) said>> I'm pretty sure this is wrong. Everything goes through AOL's servers.
ceejayoz said> I know for certain the file transfers don't - I get two megabyte per second speeds transferring between computers on the LAN here, far faster than my DSL permits over the 'Net.
Yes, that's why I mentioned looking at network traffic.
Although you have direct experience with what I was explaining, you don't get credit for that. Yet, an "I'm pretty sure this..." post without any personal experience to relate gets credit for being informative on slashdot instead of someone like you who has actually seen the direct p2p activity going on.
Either today's chosen mods are not having a good day or anything rebutting an "AOL IS SCANNING YOUR BRAIN" type story isn't as likely to get modded up.
Erm, no. By default everything does go through their servers. Only when you "directly connect" does it do peer to peer.
Yes, I did say:
It's not like private messages and files all go through AOL's servers...
I could reply to all of the others, but it's obvious that they didn't understand the ALL word that I used. (You seem to be the exception so far, that's why I'm replying to you).
So, I'd be wasting my breath repeating 'please read my post again' messages to the others.
(It's sort of amusing that people are getting a bunch of mod+ points for disagreeing with me even though they didn't correctly read my post. Their disagreements are based on things I did not say yet they are getting rewarded by moderators today completely regardless of that fact.
Actually, the traffic mostly moves from peer-to-peer. It's not like private messages and files all go through AOL's servers and then get to the other party. That would be a huge amount of traffic to deal with.
To confirm this, all it takes is less than a minute of looking at network traffic logs to see messages and files being transferred directly from one person to another.
If your computer is scanning the drives, make sure you have fast search turned OFF in XP, it will try to index your HDD everytime it 'thinks' you aren't needing to access the drive. Also check for spyware and all the usual nonsense running in the background.
That is one of the first services I shut off on XP boxes I build. Indexing is even worse when the box is on a local network, It'll index network shares and such which often confuses windows (recursive link shares on other computers can do this). Indexing make the primary drive start making when it really doesn't need to:
msconfig.exe --} SERVICES --} and uncheck "Indexing Service" instead of just shutting off indexing for different drives because network shares would still be indexed.
The evidence isn't admissible, but it is sufficient to obtain a warrant in order to find admissible evidence.
Exactly. It's the 3rd party dodge to get a warrant for something the Government can't get a warrant for directly themselves.
It doesn't matter if the Government can directly prosecute with what they have from the 3rd party...but it is enough for them to get an official warrant to investigate further than they normally would legally be able to do.
It's things like this that really give you the impression that government is just a tool of powerful corporations. Whatever happened to government law enforcement agencies enforcing court orders?
This way the Government dodges the 'unreasonable search and seizure' rule.
They often use 3rd parties to keep from violating the Government's consititution.
For example: Let's say the Government and a criminally-minded person type person suspected I was growning marijuana. He could rob my house, steal that marijuana, show it to the Government, and could tell the Government that he that I was growing it. The Government could then easily get an 'official' warrant to search my premesis for that illegal activity.
But, the police could not do that (directly) themselves because with a good attorney, I would walk right away from the case.
The Governments of many countries use a variation of this tactic to do what they are not allowed to do directly.
They give a 3rd party the advice or permission to do something they aren't supposed to do themselves.
Ahhh. I didn't install any toolbars because I use Firefox/Opera most of the time. I don't use IE unless I absolutely have to and forgot that Norton A/V, Java Console, Messenger, and a bunch of other programs installed extensions without asking for permission. d'oh!
I shut off the extensions that aren't required and now IE runs at 60MB with 6 blank pages open.
Thanks for the information. Spybot, Adaware, and Microsoft Anti-Spyware don't flag those extensions.
Now I guess I'll have to go look for Bloatware Search & Destroy!
The owners of these businesses are typically working their asses off on the fundamentals to stay afloat, and it's probable that many barely recall the fact that they have a (rather pointless) Internet presence, let alone know how to update the site, or have the spare cash to hire a webmaster just to update a few details.
For $50, I would gladly delete a web site's content after a business has been notified that the prices are out of date. $50 isn't bad for a few minutes of work.
I'm sure that there are many people who would do it for less.
Any resteraunt has at least that much money to spend on doing this. If they don't, they shouldn't be in business because they are one recession away from assured bankruptcy.
Shhh. You know, we'll have to kill you now because people always talk about P2P yet USENET is where the real action is at and is a big secr..."what's that, who are you, what's with the gun"...BANG!A#)@#$JLKaSdFMNCC
What's the point of wireless mesh networking? By its very nature, it'll always be a broadcast network rather than a point-to-point network, so as the number of users goes up, the available bandwidth goes down. I'd think you'd want to get your connection off the air and into wires as fast as possible.
Not to mention, security.
This opens up a wide-open area for Bad People to do Bad Things with much more ease.
Sorry but your argument doesn't hold water. Office never was significantly much cheaper than it is today. And besides, if everybody stopped piracy today, the only thing that'd happen is Microsoft getting a whole lot richer, and the price would stay exactly the same.
Yes.
I don't believe that Microsoft was really every bothered by piracy except on the Corporate level.
Actually, piracy helped them spread office all over the planet much more easily. For example, Office98 & SQL server 7 would accept the key 111-1111111.
Years later, Microsoft was able to reap the benefits of much of the piracy by enforcing activation of products. Those who pirated Office98/SQL7 and were 'hooked' on either for their job either had to go through several hoops to upgrade without paying, or more likely, actually purchase it.
I look at it much like crack dealers who don't mind giving some of the drug away for a while because it'll turn into a cash cow sooner or later anyway.
I don't think Jerry was the only one who didn't get it, I've felt there was a valid concern about doing our utmost to limit orbital debris. At the time there was alleged to be a catalog of 8,000+ known objects in orbit, including a power screwdriver. That last item could easily doom a shuttle.
I didn't notice that extra add/remove programs entry until you mentioned it, but OTOH, I'm used to programs doing that.
Sun Java is the worst add/remove offender. I've seen lots of boxes with 4-5 entries for it. Uninstalling any one of them hoses java in my experience so I have to use a utility to clean up the add/remove programs listings.
BTW, what's the name of that Jip Joint (so I don't ever go there)?
I don't recall the name, (years ago), but it was on the East side of the main part of State Street in Santa Barbara. I do distinctly recall it had a wooden balcony covering part of the back of the place. The wooden staircase was on left side as you go in. I remember that because I had to holler for service from the balcony.
Brings up an interesting point... Last night we were offered "free" Guinness pint glasses with each Guinness purchased. We were told they were 20oz glasses. Pints aren't 20oz we said.
I was in a resteraunt and my girlfriend ordered a small orange juice while I ordered a large one.
She drank hers rather quickly and for some reason, I thought the glasses looked odd even though mine was larger. So, I poured my large orange juice in her empty glass, and (go figure) it fit.
Even after demonstrating this to the manager, all he would say was 'it must be a defective glass'.
"Oh, for f***'s sake." If you've ever had a driver that wasn't written just perfect, you have definitely seen the dreaded BSoD"
I had a good laugh a few years back. I put a new memory module in a Linux box and when I booted it up, the text "Something is really F****d Up!" appeared.
Apparently to do with interrupt sharing issues in some machines, but Creative have only vaguely acknowledged the problem and haven't provided a fix.
Sometimes it's the way windows deals with the drivers. Other times it's the pci slot that it's in.
I advise anyone using an Audigy that has those problems and driver fixes don't solve them to move the card to a different pci slot.
I agree that Creative is pretty lacking. After all, plonking down $300 for an audio card that often completely BSOD's XP years after the card's first introduction is undefendable.
Yes, I see it on a regular basis because my piece of shit Audigy 2 card has the "screech of death" problem which results in bluescreen goodness even under XP. Oh, deep joy.
Ahh, yes, the joys of having a $300 audio card that BSOD's because Windows doesn't deal with the drivers well. I had a very similar problem
Remove all drivers in Safe Mode. Make sure nothing is in the 'Recycle (preserve viruses) Folder. Delete all temporary files. Reboot, and install up-to-date drivers.
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Lord Omlette (124579) said>> I'm pretty sure this is wrong. Everything goes through AOL's servers.
ceejayoz said> I know for certain the file transfers don't - I get two megabyte per second speeds transferring between computers on the LAN here, far faster than my DSL permits over the 'Net.
Yes, that's why I mentioned looking at network traffic.
Although you have direct experience with what I was explaining, you don't get credit for that. Yet, an "I'm pretty sure this..." post without any personal experience to relate gets credit for being informative on slashdot instead of someone like you who has actually seen the direct p2p activity going on.
Either today's chosen mods are not having a good day or anything rebutting an "AOL IS SCANNING YOUR BRAIN" type story isn't as likely to get modded up.
Erm, no. By default everything does go through their servers. Only when you "directly connect" does it do peer to peer.
Yes, I did say:
It's not like private messages and files all go through AOL's servers...
I could reply to all of the others, but it's obvious that they didn't understand the ALL word that I used. (You seem to be the exception so far, that's why I'm replying to you).
So, I'd be wasting my breath repeating 'please read my post again' messages to the others.
(It's sort of amusing that people are getting a bunch of mod+ points for disagreeing with me even though they didn't correctly read my post. Their disagreements are based on things I did not say yet they are getting rewarded by moderators today completely regardless of that fact.
FUD.
Actually, the traffic mostly moves from peer-to-peer. It's not like private messages and files all go through AOL's servers and then get to the other party. That would be a huge amount of traffic to deal with.
To confirm this, all it takes is less than a minute of looking at network traffic logs to see messages and files being transferred directly from one person to another.
If your computer is scanning the drives, make sure you have fast search turned OFF in XP, it will try to index your HDD everytime it 'thinks' you aren't needing to access the drive. Also check for spyware and all the usual nonsense running in the background.
That is one of the first services I shut off on XP boxes I build. Indexing is even worse when the box is on a local network, It'll index network shares and such which often confuses windows (recursive link shares on other computers can do this). Indexing make the primary drive start making when it really doesn't need to:
msconfig.exe --} SERVICES --} and uncheck "Indexing Service" instead of just shutting off indexing for different drives because network shares would still be indexed.
The evidence isn't admissible, but it is sufficient to obtain a warrant in order to find admissible evidence.
Exactly. It's the 3rd party dodge to get a warrant for something the Government can't get a warrant for directly themselves.
It doesn't matter if the Government can directly prosecute with what they have from the 3rd party...but it is enough for them to get an official warrant to investigate further than they normally would legally be able to do.
It's things like this that really give you the impression that government is just a tool of powerful corporations. Whatever happened to government law enforcement agencies enforcing court orders?
This way the Government dodges the 'unreasonable search and seizure' rule.
They often use 3rd parties to keep from violating the Government's consititution.
For example: Let's say the Government and a criminally-minded person type person suspected I was growning marijuana. He could rob my house, steal that marijuana, show it to the Government, and could tell the Government that he that I was growing it. The Government could then easily get an 'official' warrant to search my premesis for that illegal activity.
But, the police could not do that (directly) themselves because with a good attorney, I would walk right away from the case.
The Governments of many countries use a variation of this tactic to do what they are not allowed to do directly.
They give a 3rd party the advice or permission to do something they aren't supposed to do themselves.
Ahhh. I didn't install any toolbars because I use Firefox/Opera most of the time. I don't use IE unless I absolutely have to and forgot that Norton A/V, Java Console, Messenger, and a bunch of other programs installed extensions without asking for permission. d'oh!
.
I shut off the extensions that aren't required and now IE runs at 60MB with 6 blank pages open.
Thanks for the information. Spybot, Adaware, and Microsoft Anti-Spyware don't flag those extensions
Now I guess I'll have to go look for Bloatware Search & Destroy!
The owners of these businesses are typically working their asses off on the fundamentals to stay afloat, and it's probable that many barely recall the fact that they have a (rather pointless) Internet presence, let alone know how to update the site, or have the spare cash to hire a webmaster just to update a few details.
For $50, I would gladly delete a web site's content after a business has been notified that the prices are out of date. $50 isn't bad for a few minutes of work.
I'm sure that there are many people who would do it for less.
Any resteraunt has at least that much money to spend on doing this. If they don't, they shouldn't be in business because they are one recession away from assured bankruptcy.
alt.binaries.drwho
Shhh. You know, we'll have to kill you now because people always talk about P2P yet USENET is where the real action is at and is a big secr..."what's that, who are you, what's with the gun"...BANG!A#)@#$JLKaSdFMNCC
Connection ended.
Nothing to see here. Move along, move along.
What's the point of wireless mesh networking? By its very nature, it'll always be a broadcast network rather than a point-to-point network, so as the number of users goes up, the available bandwidth goes down. I'd think you'd want to get your connection off the air and into wires as fast as possible.
Not to mention, security. This opens up a wide-open area for Bad People to do Bad Things with much more ease.
That is strange. This box is completely up to date and IE uses 120MB just showing 6 completely blank pages.
Sorry but your argument doesn't hold water. Office never was significantly much cheaper than it is today. And besides, if everybody stopped piracy today, the only thing that'd happen is Microsoft getting a whole lot richer, and the price would stay exactly the same.
Yes. I don't believe that Microsoft was really every bothered by piracy except on the Corporate level.
Actually, piracy helped them spread office all over the planet much more easily. For example, Office98 & SQL server 7 would accept the key 111-1111111.
Years later, Microsoft was able to reap the benefits of much of the piracy by enforcing activation of products. Those who pirated Office98/SQL7 and were 'hooked' on either for their job either had to go through several hoops to upgrade without paying, or more likely, actually purchase it.
I look at it much like crack dealers who don't mind giving some of the drug away for a while because it'll turn into a cash cow sooner or later anyway.
I recommend you not to recommend software you don't use yourself.
I recommend a lot of software to people even though I use different software.
The reason? I use a lot of professional applications that are much more expensive than the more casual user would want to pay.
A lot of those recommendations are because I've seen a consensus about particular software on web sites like this one.
Open IE with those sites open at the same time and you'll instantly be using up 50% more than that much memory.
And, that's not after a couple of days.
I don't think Jerry was the only one who didn't get it, I've felt there was a valid concern about doing our utmost to limit orbital debris. At the time there was alleged to be a catalog of 8,000+ known objects in orbit, including a power screwdriver. That last item could easily doom a shuttle.
I'm surprised that he didn't 'get it'. After all, he did participate in The book Lucifer's Hammer
Yeah. The Vogons will be SO pissed!
Yes, littering their bypass before they even build it would irritate them.
Mounted on Sharks?
That sounds Evil!
I use DR-DOS every time I use Ghost. I assume some gets paid for this.
I use DOS here also several times a day. When I'm making bootable DVD-R partition backups (Ghost) of boxes I'm using PC-DOS every single time.
So, there is still some money being paid for it.
I didn't notice that extra add/remove programs entry until you mentioned it, but OTOH, I'm used to programs doing that.
Sun Java is the worst add/remove offender. I've seen lots of boxes with 4-5 entries for it. Uninstalling any one of them hoses java in my experience so I have to use a utility to clean up the add/remove programs listings.
BTW, what's the name of that Jip Joint (so I don't ever go there)?
I don't recall the name, (years ago), but it was on the East side of the main part of State Street in Santa Barbara. I do distinctly recall it had a wooden balcony covering part of the back of the place. The wooden staircase was on left side as you go in. I remember that because I had to holler for service from the balcony.
Brings up an interesting point... Last night we were offered "free" Guinness pint glasses with each Guinness purchased. We were told they were 20oz glasses. Pints aren't 20oz we said.
I was in a resteraunt and my girlfriend ordered a small orange juice while I ordered a large one.
She drank hers rather quickly and for some reason, I thought the glasses looked odd even though mine was larger. So, I poured my large orange juice in her empty glass, and (go figure) it fit.
Even after demonstrating this to the manager, all he would say was 'it must be a defective glass'.
"Oh, for f***'s sake." If you've ever had a driver that wasn't written just perfect, you have definitely seen the dreaded BSoD"
I had a good laugh a few years back. I put a new memory module in a Linux box and when I booted it up, the text "Something is really F****d Up!" appeared.
It turned out that the memory was bad.
Apparently to do with interrupt sharing issues in some machines, but Creative have only vaguely acknowledged the problem and haven't provided a fix.
Sometimes it's the way windows deals with the drivers. Other times it's the pci slot that it's in.
I advise anyone using an Audigy that has those problems and driver fixes don't solve them to move the card to a different pci slot.
I agree that Creative is pretty lacking. After all, plonking down $300 for an audio card that often completely BSOD's XP years after the card's first introduction is undefendable.
Yes, I see it on a regular basis because my piece of shit Audigy 2 card has the "screech of death" problem which results in bluescreen goodness even under XP. Oh, deep joy.
Ahh, yes, the joys of having a $300 audio card that BSOD's because Windows doesn't deal with the drivers well. I had a very similar problem
Remove all drivers in Safe Mode. Make sure nothing is in the 'Recycle (preserve viruses) Folder. Delete all temporary files. Reboot, and install up-to-date drivers.
"It looks like you are trying to go to the bathroom. Would you like help with that?"
"You're reading a Slashdot article about how to hack me and turn me into a sex-slave. Please stop your activities."