arizona became a state in 1912. the territory itself wasnt even established until 1863, well into the civil war. it is the youngest state second only to alaska and hawaii.
this is an interesting discussion..we've drifted, but its only a natural thing to discuss.
there's been some valid points. hs has its problems. everything does. i think we tend to miss the point as a whole.
high school isn't about classes. yeah, they're part of it. they teach you stuff. thats good. but 95% of it (as 95% of the real world is) is about social skills. you learn to work together, and you hopefully learn some of the subtle arts of persuasion and schmooze.
lets try to figure out what the problems are and change them, but remember this: you ultimately create your own reality. the choices you make in high school will color your world long beyond graduation. you can have fun, do well in school, and be respected. just get the priorities straight, and don't worry too much.
theres a lot more i could say, but i think you're at least beginning to see my point. good luck;)
What you've done isn't to suggest change, though. You've just pointed out whats wrong and said why it might be wrong. Cynicism isn't going to solve our problems, and treating some people as just "pollution" isn't any good either. We've got to find a middle ground.
i called sega's dreamcast number (1-888-345-SEGA), they asked for my name and phone, and i proceeded to fake it:
rep:can i please have your name and phone number? aaron:doody doody doo! r: thanks, how can i help you? a: well.. i was using my dreamcast, and i tried to telnet into it. it asked me for a username and password. r: huh? a: i tried telnetting into my dreamcast from another computer. r: is telnet ppp? a: huh? r: do you know what ppp is? a: yes. both computers are connected via ppp. the dreamcast is connected over modem and my computer is connected via dsl. r: uhhhh... a: anyway, could you give me the username and password? r: you shouldn't need one. a: everything works fine - thats not the problem. i just want to see what it does. r: do you use at & t worldnet? a: no. r: well just go to "other" when you reboot, and that will tell you how to sign up. did i answer all your questions today? a: well, no. that's not the problem, everythign works fine. there's no other number i could call? r: you mean your isp? a: no. for dreamcast. r: that's me! a: okay. do you know a login and password for the dreamcast? r: you need a login and password when you start the dreamcast? a: *chuckle* i think we're misunderstanding each other. i'll start over. my dreamcast is connected via modem, via my isp. my computer is connected via dsl, via another isp. r: okay...is your isp worldnet? a: no. i tried scanning for open ports on my dreamcast, i saw telnet was open, and i tried using telnet to access it. i did this from my dsl-connected computer. i got the login and password prompt in the telnet window. the dreamcast works fine, even when i'm using telnet. r: whoa, man. i dunno. a: alright.. r: i couldn't give you any dns or anything a: yeah? r: that'd be ILLEGAL! a: *chuckle* r: alright, sorry i couldn't help. have a good day. a: you too!
if oss is to compete with commercial software, it cant have this paternalistic streak. you've got to figure out how to make it work for the lazy ones without alienating them, because *lowers voice* there's a lot of lazy ones.
Guaranine (or Guanine, same thing) is caffeine. Gather round, and let me read from the xanthine book.
Xanthines are chemical structures related to uric acid. They are processed similarly (By the enzyme xanthine oxidase), so inhibitors of this enzyme are often used in the treatment of gout.
In any case, the xanthine we know and love, caffeine ((1,3,7)tri-methyl-xanthine), is an adenosine blocker. This is the inhibtory neurotransmitter we talked about earlier. It makes you tired. Blocking it makes you un-tired, but not necessarily stimulated. Caffeine is really an "anti-somnolent" rather than a true stimulant, but it can stimulate the release of adrenaline. Certain xanthines (theobromine, theophylline) are found in chocolate and tea, and as you pointed out, are less potent than caffeine. Dogs process xanthines much slower than humans - thus the chocolate toxicity (which sets in around 200-250 grams, it's quite a bit).
Cocaine works a little differently. It doesn't block receptors, it inhibits the reuptake of adrenaline and dopamine. By doing this, the brain is flooded with these "feel-good" monoamines. The addictive nature of cocaine lies in its dopaminergic quality.
So - caffeine isn't very addictive;). It can, however, be habit-forming, just like anything else. It's really a case of mind over matter - people are used to coffee, so they get headaches without it. I have never experienced withdrawal from any drug, and i've used caffeine, ephedrine, and pseudoephedrine on a semi-chronic basis. Crashing, however, is another matter.
Open source really isn't that big a deal to the end user. Yeah, we can talk about competition enhancing the marketplace, but end users don't really care whether the program is good, they care whether it's good ENOUGH. Once it can get your work done, the program is sufficient. The future of computers isn't in selling software, it's in selling business solutions. You might use software, and you might sell it, but it's just a tool. It's kind of a fuzzy concept, but my point is that, open source or no, the money will always be in helping people get their work done better. 97% stability under NT is still one day down every month. People will pay loads, though, to have NT reconfig'd and supported to boost the number to 99.5 and higher. People will also pay loads to have linux configured. Companies want an out-of-box solution.
This is a victory in name only. You may still "own" your information, but Yahoo still holds all the same rights as an owner, except for exclusivity. They can use it, they can change it, they can sell it. Ad banners, watermarks, and all that stuff is different - these places need to survive. Reserving the right to chop up your work and sell it wholesale is another matter.
Cars have gone nowhere? First of all, let me introduce you to a new technology called fuel injection. Drastically reduced emissions. Tiptronic. Viable electric autos. Drastically improved gas mileage. A gasoline powered car can now get as high as _47_ mpg freeway. 3 and 4 cylinder engines. A car that squeezes a very respectable amount of power out of a v6. From asia. Not only have there been the steady advances that we've seen from the computer world, we've also seen a drastic, universal adoption of a new technology.
Take a look at an old entertainment pack from microsoft, and look at their chess program. Then look at GNU chess for windows from the same era. If memory serves, it is the -exact-same- program. Anyone wanna try to get the source out of redmond?;P
I'd like to point out that the only real piece of "smoking gun" evidence, the MAC address, was discovered not by a government agent, but by the guy who originally found this security hole. The government would have just been speculating without him.
Furthermore, nobody's really talking about the privacy issues. Yes, it may have captured a suspected criminal, but it was a violation of privacy. We should hear about these things from the company.
Finally, I know this will never fly in court, but who says he had malicious intent? Maybe he was playing with macro virii and making a porno list, and he infected himself. In any case, he obviously got in way over his head, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten caught (for technical and other reasons).
One of my problems with linux always has been (and, sadly, will probably always be) the fact that the community (and, thus, the operating system) tends to close itself off at the opportunity for popularity.
Linux is a great operating system. So is FreeBSD. So is Solaris. MacOS and Windows 90's are great operating systems too. They're all tools for a specific job. It seems like they've divided themselves up, so UN*X is a geek/coding/server OS, MacOS is a graphics OS, and Windows is an end user OS. The only operating systems that seem to make an effort to make themselves a bit easier for the novice are the Wintel and Mac platforms. There's a reason for the popularity, and it's not all bundling.
A few weeks ago, LinuxWorld and Refund Day got Linux some mainstream press coverage and a boost in popularity. The user consensus seemed to be "at last we have a chance against the Evil Empire!" And we did.
However, problems like this will simply keep Linux from grabbing any market share. While many of us code for pleasure and function, most people, most of the time, simply don't want to think about HOW the computer works, they want to USE the computer. This, almost certainly, means GUIs and ease of use will triumph over text shells and more extensibility.
Guys - we've got a good thing here. It could serve as the right tool for a lot of tasks, depending on how people see it and can use it. Unless Joe Middle Manager can use Linux, it simply won't take off. And, now that we have some publicity, whose fault will it be?
This might be just because of that; if the protocols -have- problems, it's not exactly prudent to make them public. Once they have a little more work done on them (i.e., they can be reasonably relied upon for something other than office gossip), I think we'll see them come out. Someone pointed out apple and novell are "testing the waters"...give it a little time.
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actually, asu dorms allow alky if you're of age..
Driving badly:
Can kill people
Flying badly:
Can kill people
Unregulated radio and tv can lead to confusion over legitimate source, which can lead to panics, which:
Can kill people
Practicing law under false pretenses:
Can ruin a defendant's life
Practicing medicine with incompetence:
Can kill people
Looking at pr0n:
ain't nothin wrong with that..
arizona became a state in 1912. the territory itself wasnt even established until 1863, well into the civil war. it is the youngest state second only to alaska and hawaii.
when did they secede?
charles duell never said that, thats a famous piece of urban legend.
this is an interesting discussion..we've drifted, but its only a natural thing to discuss.
;)
there's been some valid points. hs has its problems. everything does. i think we tend to miss the point as a whole.
high school isn't about classes. yeah, they're part of it. they teach you stuff. thats good. but 95% of it (as 95% of the real world is) is about social skills. you learn to work together, and you hopefully learn some of the subtle arts of persuasion and schmooze.
lets try to figure out what the problems are and change them, but remember this: you ultimately create your own reality. the choices you make in high school will color your world long beyond graduation. you can have fun, do well in school, and be respected. just get the priorities straight, and don't worry too much.
theres a lot more i could say, but i think you're at least beginning to see my point. good luck
What you've done isn't to suggest change, though. You've just pointed out whats wrong and said why it might be wrong. Cynicism isn't going to solve our problems, and treating some people as just "pollution" isn't any good either. We've got to find a middle ground.
i called sega's dreamcast number (1-888-345-SEGA), they asked for my name and phone, and i proceeded to fake it:
:P
rep:can i please have your name and phone number?
aaron:doody doody doo!
r: thanks, how can i help you?
a: well.. i was using my dreamcast, and i tried to telnet into it. it asked me for a username and password.
r: huh?
a: i tried telnetting into my dreamcast from another computer.
r: is telnet ppp?
a: huh?
r: do you know what ppp is?
a: yes. both computers are connected via ppp. the dreamcast is connected over modem and my computer is connected via dsl.
r: uhhhh...
a: anyway, could you give me the username and password?
r: you shouldn't need one.
a: everything works fine - thats not the problem. i just want to see what it does.
r: do you use at & t worldnet?
a: no.
r: well just go to "other" when you reboot, and that will tell you how to sign up. did i answer all your questions today?
a: well, no. that's not the problem, everythign works fine. there's no other number i could call?
r: you mean your isp?
a: no. for dreamcast.
r: that's me!
a: okay. do you know a login and password for the dreamcast?
r: you need a login and password when you start the dreamcast?
a: *chuckle* i think we're misunderstanding each other. i'll start over. my dreamcast is connected via modem, via my isp. my computer is connected via dsl, via another isp.
r: okay...is your isp worldnet?
a: no. i tried scanning for open ports on my dreamcast, i saw telnet was open, and i tried using telnet to access it. i did this from my dsl-connected computer. i got the login and password prompt in the telnet window. the dreamcast works fine, even when i'm using telnet.
r: whoa, man. i dunno.
a: alright..
r: i couldn't give you any dns or anything
a: yeah?
r: that'd be ILLEGAL!
a: *chuckle*
r: alright, sorry i couldn't help. have a good day.
a: you too!
hmm..and i don't even own a dreamcast
okay.
my cd-rs are all now in the fridge. the mp3s are safe.
dude...
if oss is to compete with commercial software, it cant have this paternalistic streak. you've got to figure out how to make it work for the lazy ones without alienating them, because *lowers voice* there's a lot of lazy ones.
fwiw, dude, win95 can run a nameserver ;)
you guys posted this in like '97, when i started reading /.
Guaranine (or Guanine, same thing) is caffeine. Gather round, and let me read from the xanthine book.
;). It can, however, be habit-forming, just like anything else. It's really a case of mind over matter - people are used to coffee, so they get headaches without it. I have never experienced withdrawal from any drug, and i've used caffeine, ephedrine, and pseudoephedrine on a semi-chronic basis. Crashing, however, is another matter.
Xanthines are chemical structures related to uric acid. They are processed similarly (By the enzyme xanthine oxidase), so inhibitors of this enzyme are often used in the treatment of gout.
In any case, the xanthine we know and love, caffeine ((1,3,7)tri-methyl-xanthine), is an adenosine blocker. This is the inhibtory neurotransmitter we talked about earlier. It makes you tired. Blocking it makes you un-tired, but not necessarily stimulated. Caffeine is really an "anti-somnolent" rather than a true stimulant, but it can stimulate the release of adrenaline. Certain xanthines (theobromine, theophylline) are found in chocolate and tea, and as you pointed out, are less potent than caffeine. Dogs process xanthines much slower than humans - thus the chocolate toxicity (which sets in around 200-250 grams, it's quite a bit).
Cocaine works a little differently. It doesn't block receptors, it inhibits the reuptake of adrenaline and dopamine. By doing this, the brain is flooded with these "feel-good" monoamines. The addictive nature of cocaine lies in its dopaminergic quality.
So - caffeine isn't very addictive
Open source really isn't that big a deal to the end user. Yeah, we can talk about competition enhancing the marketplace, but end users don't really care whether the program is good, they care whether it's good ENOUGH. Once it can get your work done, the program is sufficient. The future of computers isn't in selling software, it's in selling business solutions. You might use software, and you might sell it, but it's just a tool. It's kind of a fuzzy concept, but my point is that, open source or no, the money will always be in helping people get their work done better. 97% stability under NT is still one day down every month. People will pay loads, though, to have NT reconfig'd and supported to boost the number to 99.5 and higher. People will also pay loads to have linux configured. Companies want an out-of-box solution.
This is a victory in name only. You may still "own" your information, but Yahoo still holds all the same rights as an owner, except for exclusivity. They can use it, they can change it, they can sell it. Ad banners, watermarks, and all that stuff is different - these places need to survive. Reserving the right to chop up your work and sell it wholesale is another matter.
That makes more sense. ;P
I don't understand what you mean by IPs. This is about GeoCities websites, which are all under the same IP or set of IPs.
Cars have gone nowhere? First of all, let me introduce you to a new technology called fuel injection. Drastically reduced emissions. Tiptronic. Viable electric autos. Drastically improved gas mileage. A gasoline powered car can now get as high as _47_ mpg freeway. 3 and 4 cylinder engines. A car that squeezes a very respectable amount of power out of a v6. From asia. Not only have there been the steady advances that we've seen from the computer world, we've also seen a drastic, universal adoption of a new technology.
Take a look at an old entertainment pack from microsoft, and look at their chess program. Then look at GNU chess for windows from the same era. If memory serves, it is the -exact-same- program. Anyone wanna try to get the source out of redmond? ;P
They're still using Network Solutions' proprietary lookup database for their queries.
Aaron
Paper has a lower dc, doesn't it? I suppose you could use liquid paper? :)
I'd like to point out that the only real piece of "smoking gun" evidence, the MAC address, was discovered not by a government agent, but by the guy who originally found this security hole. The government would have just been speculating without him.
Furthermore, nobody's really talking about the privacy issues. Yes, it may have captured a suspected criminal, but it was a violation of privacy. We should hear about these things from the company.
Finally, I know this will never fly in court, but who says he had malicious intent? Maybe he was playing with macro virii and making a porno list, and he infected himself. In any case, he obviously got in way over his head, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten caught (for technical and other reasons).
One of my problems with linux always has been (and, sadly, will probably always be) the fact that the community (and, thus, the operating system) tends to close itself off at the opportunity for popularity.
Linux is a great operating system. So is FreeBSD. So is Solaris. MacOS and Windows 90's are great operating systems too. They're all tools for a specific job. It seems like they've divided themselves up, so UN*X is a geek/coding/server OS, MacOS is a graphics OS, and Windows is an end user OS. The only operating systems that seem to make an effort to make themselves a bit easier for the novice are the Wintel and Mac platforms. There's a reason for the popularity, and it's not all bundling.
A few weeks ago, LinuxWorld and Refund Day got Linux some mainstream press coverage and a boost in popularity. The user consensus seemed to be "at last we have a chance against the Evil Empire!" And we did.
However, problems like this will simply keep Linux from grabbing any market share. While many of us code for pleasure and function, most people, most of the time, simply don't want to think about HOW the computer works, they want to USE the computer. This, almost certainly, means GUIs and ease of use will triumph over text shells and more extensibility.
Guys - we've got a good thing here. It could serve as the right tool for a lot of tasks, depending on how people see it and can use it. Unless Joe Middle Manager can use Linux, it simply won't take off. And, now that we have some publicity, whose fault will it be?
This might be just because of that; if the protocols -have- problems, it's not exactly prudent to make them public. Once they have a little more work done on them (i.e., they can be reasonably relied upon for something other than office gossip), I think we'll see them come out. Someone pointed out apple and novell are "testing the waters"...give it a little time.