I don't give a damn how outnumbered you are, there are plenty of perfectly effective guerilla military fighting techniques which don't involve targeting of civilians. Once you target civilians, especially if it's for them being easy targets, you are a terrorist.
Where does that leave the US's policy of Total War during the firebombing of Dresden or Tokyo? What about the nuclear weapons used against the civilian populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Are the pilots and crew of Bock's Car and the Enola Gay terrorists? What about the Tiger Squads in Vietnam or the soldiers who massacred Vietnamese civilians at Mai Lai?
Um, you do realize that up until, oh, say the the late 1960s black people in the South (and other minorities as well) we subject to harrassment, intimidation tactics, violence, poll taxes, voting 'tests' (i.e. how many bubbles in a bar of soap) as well as out-and-out denial of the right to even register to vote, right?
Voting rights discrimination was widespread. In Tennessee, as the Justice Department's John Doar discovered on a self-appointed tour of rural Haywood County in the early 1960s, black sharecroppers were being evicted by white farmers for trying to vote. In Mississippi, names of new voter applicants had to be published in local newspapers for two weeks before acceptance, and voters had the right to object to an applicant's "moral character." Black applicants, many of whom were illiterate or poorly educated, were also required to pass literacy tests and to interpret sections of the state constitution to the satisfaction of the registrars. These tests were not generally applied to illiterate whites. In Alabama, many registration centers were only open two days a month; voting registrars often arrived late and took long lunch hours. In 1957 the town of Tuskegee gerrymandered black residents outside the city limits to make them ineligible to vote. In nearby Macon County voter registration boards used discriminatory practices such as these to limit the number of eligible black voters:
* holding black applicants to a higher standard of accuracy than whites;
* allowing white applicants to register in their cars and in their homes;
* processing black applicants last, even when they were first in line;
* establishing separate registration offices in different parts of the courthouse;
* offering assistance only to white applicants in completing the registration form;
* refusing to notify black applicants about the status of their applications.
Some counties in the Deep South resorted to harsher means of preventing local blacks from voting. They jailed black applicants and firebombed places where voter education classes had been conducted, such as Mt. Olive Baptist Church in Terrell County, Georgia. They threatened, beat, and in some cases, murdered black applicants.
One of the first things that Civil Rights pioneers like MLK and John Lewis did was to help organize poor, uneducated, unrepresented voting leagues for the same reason that Unions were organized in this country i.e. strength in numbers. Harrassing and intimidating a group of passive minorities is much harder than harrassing one person trying to register to vite
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but if I were I might be questioning those "voting leagues" too. From what I've gathered, it appears they go into people's houses and get them to send in an absentee balot. I don't think I'd like people coming to my door and giving me a ballot to sign then mailing it for me.
No, but perhaps you should study up on the Civil Rights movement. What exactly do you think the Military does for it's voters? Do they all pay postage and mail them themselves? Even then, the absentee ballots travel throught he military's mail system. Is your tin-foil hat detecting something when you think about that?
Now keep in mind this is just what some conspiracy nut might think. Sounds like the "get out the vote" campaign by the Democrats in NY where they rounded up bums and took them to the pools and gave them cigarettes to vote Democrat.
Sure, and giving businesses tax breaks, special legislation and access to the White House is real different. At least the Dems do it on the cheap.
Hey, I'm not stating that I believe what the person posting to Indymedia was right, in fact I find it an invasion of privacy. What I am stating is that the fact that the Justice Department acts to protect white, rich, Republicans who are being 'harrassed' with publical
Well, let's see: first of all, you bring up a case that you actually know nothing about (the Florida case that you mentioned) and used the unsupported supposition that DoJ is doing nothing about it as evidence for your case.
Abuse of registered voters' information by the State of Florida vs. abuse of registered delegates' information of the RNC by a bunch of independent, unaffiliated individuals.
You see what gets investigated?
I don't have to use labels like 'racist' and 'classist' to make the DoJ seem more 'evil' than they already are. If you're paying attention, the press releases they put out take care of that. I just use the labels because they fit. An abuse of personal information involving minorities is ignored while an 'abuse' of the personal information of RNC delegates is investigated post-haste.
And then somebody mods you interesting? I'd lean more toward funny, myself.
I'm glad you think that intimidation of minority voters is 'funny.'
Isn't there a mod around here for people who bitch about mods?
1) What is the Justice Department doing about the harrassment of Black Voting Leagues in Florida? If the answer (which I suspect it is) is "nothing" than this a clear case of government being used in a partisan and heavy-handed manner. It's also racist and classist.
2) I don't know about your state, but the Georgia GOP's website already lists already lists their delegates as well as the alternates for all to see. Just plug the name into Switchboard and you can get their addresses.
Conclusion? This is a disingenuous, partisan, racist, classist abuse of the Justice Department. Someone else want to argue that point?
-American Airlines Flight 11: A Boeing 767 en route from Boston to Los Angeles. The plane was carrying 81 passengers, nine flight attendants and two pilots. The location of the crash has not been determined.
-American Airlines Flight 77: A Boeing 757 en route from Dulles Airport near Washington to Los Angeles. The plane was carrying 58 passengers, four flight attendants and two pilots. The location of the crash has not been determined.
-United Airlines Flight 93: A Boeing 757, crashed southeast of Pittsburgh while en route from Newark, N.J. to San Francisco. The plane was carrying 38 passengers, two pilots and five flight attendants.
-United Airlines Flight 175: A Boeing 767. The flight was bound from Boston to Los Angeles. It was carrying 56 passengers, two pilots and seven flight attendants. The airline would not say where the plane crashed.
We in this country are famous for our short memories. Until the 20th Century, here in the US we had little regard for copyright. Ever wonder why Champagne, France has such a similar name to the bubbly we drink here? Ever wonder why it's called sparkling wine there?
...pause...wait for audience....
Because we decided that we were going to ignore selective international copyrights when they did not suit us. Not to mention decades of tariffs, trade deals, most favorite nation status, etc.
My point (I assure you I have one) is that why should we expect other countries to uphold copyright laws that aid only those countries producing now when we have a history of selecting which international regs to listen to (and I know there are a multitude of other regs we ignore, Land Mine Ban and such, but let's just stick to one complaint at a time).
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*scratches head*
People pay for pr0n?
I had no idea. Suckers.
I don't give a damn how outnumbered you are, there are plenty of perfectly effective guerilla military fighting techniques which don't involve targeting of civilians. Once you target civilians, especially if it's for them being easy targets, you are a terrorist. Where does that leave the US's policy of Total War during the firebombing of Dresden or Tokyo? What about the nuclear weapons used against the civilian populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Are the pilots and crew of Bock's Car and the Enola Gay terrorists? What about the Tiger Squads in Vietnam or the soldiers who massacred Vietnamese civilians at Mai Lai?
Via the Wikipedia:
Voting rights discrimination was widespread. In Tennessee, as the Justice Department's John Doar discovered on a self-appointed tour of rural Haywood County in the early 1960s, black sharecroppers were being evicted by white farmers for trying to vote. In Mississippi, names of new voter applicants had to be published in local newspapers for two weeks before acceptance, and voters had the right to object to an applicant's "moral character." Black applicants, many of whom were illiterate or poorly educated, were also required to pass literacy tests and to interpret sections of the state constitution to the satisfaction of the registrars. These tests were not generally applied to illiterate whites. In Alabama, many registration centers were only open two days a month; voting registrars often arrived late and took long lunch hours. In 1957 the town of Tuskegee gerrymandered black residents outside the city limits to make them ineligible to vote. In nearby Macon County voter registration boards used discriminatory practices such as these to limit the number of eligible black voters:
* holding black applicants to a higher standard of accuracy than whites;
* allowing white applicants to register in their cars and in their homes;
* processing black applicants last, even when they were first in line;
* establishing separate registration offices in different parts of the courthouse;
* offering assistance only to white applicants in completing the registration form;
* refusing to notify black applicants about the status of their applications.
Some counties in the Deep South resorted to harsher means of preventing local blacks from voting. They jailed black applicants and firebombed places where voter education classes had been conducted, such as Mt. Olive Baptist Church in Terrell County, Georgia. They threatened, beat, and in some cases, murdered black applicants.
One of the first things that Civil Rights pioneers like MLK and John Lewis did was to help organize poor, uneducated, unrepresented voting leagues for the same reason that Unions were organized in this country i.e. strength in numbers. Harrassing and intimidating a group of passive minorities is much harder than harrassing one person trying to register to vite
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but if I were I might be questioning those "voting leagues" too. From what I've gathered, it appears they go into people's houses and get them to send in an absentee balot. I don't think I'd like people coming to my door and giving me a ballot to sign then mailing it for me.
No, but perhaps you should study up on the Civil Rights movement. What exactly do you think the Military does for it's voters? Do they all pay postage and mail them themselves? Even then, the absentee ballots travel throught he military's mail system. Is your tin-foil hat detecting something when you think about that?
Now keep in mind this is just what some conspiracy nut might think. Sounds like the "get out the vote" campaign by the Democrats in NY where they rounded up bums and took them to the pools and gave them cigarettes to vote Democrat.
Sure, and giving businesses tax breaks, special legislation and access to the White House is real different. At least the Dems do it on the cheap.
Hey, I'm not stating that I believe what the person posting to Indymedia was right, in fact I find it an invasion of privacy. What I am stating is that the fact that the Justice Department acts to protect white, rich, Republicans who are being 'harrassed' with publical
Well, let's see: first of all, you bring up a case that you actually know nothing about (the Florida case that you mentioned) and used the unsupported supposition that DoJ is doing nothing about it as evidence for your case.
Abuse of registered voters' information by the State of Florida vs. abuse of registered delegates' information of the RNC by a bunch of independent, unaffiliated individuals.
You see what gets investigated?
I don't have to use labels like 'racist' and 'classist' to make the DoJ seem more 'evil' than they already are. If you're paying attention, the press releases they put out take care of that. I just use the labels because they fit. An abuse of personal information involving minorities is ignored while an 'abuse' of the personal information of RNC delegates is investigated post-haste.
And then somebody mods you interesting? I'd lean more toward funny, myself.
I'm glad you think that intimidation of minority voters is 'funny.'
Isn't there a mod around here for people who bitch about mods?
when they publish it themselves?
1) What is the Justice Department doing about the harrassment of Black Voting Leagues in Florida? If the answer (which I suspect it is) is "nothing" than this a clear case of government being used in a partisan and heavy-handed manner. It's also racist and classist. 2) I don't know about your state, but the Georgia GOP's website already lists already lists their delegates as well as the alternates for all to see. Just plug the name into Switchboard and you can get their addresses. Conclusion? This is a disingenuous, partisan, racist, classist abuse of the Justice Department. Someone else want to argue that point?
List of Planes That Crashed Today
Details on the planes that crashed Tuesday:
-American Airlines Flight 11: A Boeing 767 en route from Boston to Los Angeles. The plane was carrying 81 passengers, nine flight attendants and two pilots. The location of the crash has not been determined.
-American Airlines Flight 77: A Boeing 757 en route from Dulles Airport near Washington to Los Angeles. The plane was carrying 58 passengers, four flight attendants and two pilots. The location of the crash has not been determined.
-United Airlines Flight 93: A Boeing 757, crashed southeast of Pittsburgh while en route from Newark, N.J. to San Francisco. The plane was carrying 38 passengers, two pilots and five flight attendants.
-United Airlines Flight 175: A Boeing 767. The flight was bound from Boston to Los Angeles. It was carrying 56 passengers, two pilots and seven flight attendants. The airline would not say where the plane crashed.
What we know now...
Copyright is dead, Long live Copyright!
We in this country are famous for our short memories. Until the 20th Century, here in the US we had little regard for copyright. Ever wonder why Champagne, France has such a similar name to the bubbly we drink here? Ever wonder why it's called sparkling wine there?
...pause...wait for audience....
Because we decided that we were going to ignore selective international copyrights when they did not suit us. Not to mention decades of tariffs, trade deals, most favorite nation status, etc.
My point (I assure you I have one) is that why should we expect other countries to uphold copyright laws that aid only those countries producing now when we have a history of selecting which international regs to listen to (and I know there are a multitude of other regs we ignore, Land Mine Ban and such, but let's just stick to one complaint at a time).
Akula
Copyright is dead, long live Copyright!