Wow you actually made me dust off the old nickname and post.
"...you can see how i just can't spend my whole life doing the same thing again and again..."
versus
"I now have a tight routine where I leave work @5ish, workout at the gym, drive home, shower, make dinner, do a daily chore (garbage, unload dishwasher, or wash counters), then be on the PC by 8-8:30pm for 3 solid hours of WoW"
Ah life, the ultimate MMORPG... =)/good natured ribbing
By your own example, could I then sue Ford (or chevy, whoever it is) for letting Dale Earnhardt Jr drive around in a Budweiser sponsored NASCAR? Saying that that promotes drinking and driving in an illegal way?
"Get in, drink Bud, and drive fast in a left hand circle, Dale does it!"
People have been quick to point out in this thread that "well this is bullshit because we currently have a dozen high level programming positions open, so they are wrong". Well, yes and no.
Sure there is a market for people with a decade of experience in 3 or 4 specific technolgies, but what about entry level? People with less than 3 - 5 years of exp? How does one expect to create a base of programming talent if they can't get hired into jobs to begin with?
Its the low level jobs that are getting offshored and making tech an unattractive industry. Especially since now most companies (in my experience) only count "experience" as time spent working in industry, not independant study or freelancing.
So really, how are we going to fill the ultra-experienced positions in the future if we don't hire people into entry level type positions today?
Its because large scale technological advances aren't marketable. I mean, ultimately that's why the Concorde project was left to die out. The costs associated with maintaining the Concorde was prohibitive, so they just peacefully let it die.
The technological advances are still being attained at a good clip, but we don't see them because profit margins are maintained by being safe and marketable while calling yourself "innovative", not by actually being innovative. Its part of the reason people want to get rid of NASA, because it doesn't give the masses something easily consumable like a "War on Terror" or welfare or porn or the internet or whatever...
I could have sworn the city of Beaverton just gave the OSDL a substantial chunk of funding in order to try and "promote growth and yadda yadda" of the tech market here...I'm sure this isn't what they had in mind...
Granted, it sounds like a fairly small ripple in the organization, I just hope it isn't a sign of further things to come.
That depends, if the highway is full of potholes and random assorted things that make it no longer driveable then changing your car is pointless. It would be more logical to point out to the dept. of transportation that the highway is a POS, rather than trying to keep changing cars till you find one that can drive over the top of dead cattle.....that was rambling, but I think I got the point across.
But like you said, you could care less, so more power to you...freedom of choice and all that.
I wasn't saying that YOU personally were racist. I was saying that your argumentation was fallacious because you're saying that all closed source software is bad because some is bad.
Its the same "fallacious reasoning" illustrated by my analogy of the "black people are criminals" example.
Now if you'd like to defend the merit of saying that "all closed source software is bad" then feel free, otherwise don't bother trying to play the "omfg you called me racist!" card.
It does matter where you point the blame. If a site doesn't work in my browser, and its not the fault of the browser, I don't go to the site. Its that simple.
If its something I direly need to visit (banking, etc) then I'll fire up another browser and and email to customer support for that site.
I mean really...if you wanted to blame the software for an "inferior experience" we'd all be running windows because that's what supports everything out of the box with happy little point and click idiot proof menus to maximize your experience.
Unless, of course, you just don't care...but really, holding Opera accountable for poor page design is bad.
Wow, perhaps we should drag the Opera developers up in The Hague as war criminals then....damn them and their creating of the "Web Browser of Ultimate Suffering"
Your argument is akin to saying all black people should be untrustworthy because some commit crimes....ffs sake man.
Yeah, I think most of the information there is accurate, but obviously misses some of the finer points. you just have to make sure and realize, that like anything else in life, there's more to it than what is presented, but I don't think it is actively false.
Not that I have an informed opinion on its failings, as I thoroughly enjoyed it, but my take on a lot of the criticism I've read about it is that it avoids mathematics too much. By attempting to avoid the mathematical side and focus on the spirituality and esoteric nature of modern physics it perhaps "dumbs down" theory too much.
That's my take on the criticism I've read about it. But like I said, I thoroughly enjoyed it, and most of the ideas I cared to research further (mostly ERP related) seemed to be presented well. Having a friend who is doing his master's research in Optics, he confirmed that most of the Optics related topics were relatively correct also.
I can't argue with a single thing you said, except the last part. Society does adore these people. Its the same reason Martha Stewart is portrayed as the "innocent victim" by her adoring legions of fans, while Kenneth Lay and Dick Cheney are the twin heads of evil. Its like having a caste system based on celebrity status. And honestly, how are we supposed to tell people that education matters when we surround ourselves with "role models" like that? Professional athletes, celebrities, the like, we've grown as a society to worship these people.
Sure, I'll admit that I'm part of the problem, I shell out money for movies, I shell out money to go to sporting events, but I don't think we should do away with those things entirely.
Its a value judgement really. Our society has decided that entertainment and vanity should win out over education and human advancement. Therefore we encourage people to enter those areas with high pay and celebrity, and we ship "menial tasks" like programming and science over to other countries. Private schools and colleges become secondary to the societal reinforcement that vanity wins. I mean really, how many people would be going to college these days if a degree (associates on up) wasn't a necessary requirement for a growing number of jobs? Its not the desire to learn, its the desire to get a piece of paper that makes one eligible for certain employment. This isn't "education" in my mind, but I know that's debateable.
Anything that we can exploit for money, we can. The owner of a pro sports team only pays that high of a salary because he can and still turn a profit, same with Hollywood. Unfortunately, being as though labor for everything else in the world is "cheap" we feel its our duty to exploit that for higher profit margins. Its disgusting. Money = power = vanity = celebrity. I mean really, how are we supposed to encourage education when that is the end result?
Unfortunately, due to Congress having a legal mandate over "interstate commerce" I think anything and everything can fall under their "legal mandate" should they so choose to puruse it. Since selling your ideas can pretty much fall under interstate commerce as broad a term as it is. But i'll avoid any further on that, since its secondary to the point at hand.
Now, don't get me wrong, I do think its a travesty and a detriment to humanity that the owner of an "idea" can block everyone else from every getting access to it. I truly believe that all information should be exchanged freely, and if you want to share an idea you should do so without thought to monetary compensation. However, the point I was making, is that as a society we still pursue monetary rewards for "ideas". In essence, by doing so, we are saying somebody "owns" that idea. Until we get past that point in societal evolution, we cannot mandate that someone give up "ownership" of their "idea" before they are ready to. Is that a travesty? surely. Is that the way our society is at this moment in time, most certainly.
I try to stay away from the kool aid. Unfortunately, I also try to look at all angles. It sometimes leads me to conclusions like this one, where, as bad as it sounds, its the most logical answer for me.
I hope that was sarcasm, or a troll attempt...but i'll bite anyways.
"If you're not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about" right?
We're moving ever closer to a surveillance state, where everything you do is watched 24/7 to make sure you aren't a "spy" or "terrorist". This is just one step closer. I mean seriously, look at all the rhetoric about "preventing terror" and "getting terrorists before they get us". What does that mean? Arresting, convicting, imprisoning people BEFORE they commit a crime. Is that how we want America to work? A country where everyone is watched on the suspicion that they "might" be up to no good? The gov't already has everyone looking over their shoulder and examining their neighbors to see if they "might" be a "spy" or a "terrorist". PATRIOT has already been abused by law enforcement officials. Do you honestly trust that they will behave themselves with RealID?
They have to update those provisions to get ready for RealID implementation within three years! Now they can invoke PATRIOT when they start scanning your ID's RFID tag without your consent.
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Wow you actually made me dust off the old nickname and post.
/good natured ribbing
"...you can see how i just can't spend my whole life doing the same thing again and again..."
versus
"I now have a tight routine where I leave work @5ish, workout at the gym, drive home, shower, make dinner, do a daily chore (garbage, unload dishwasher, or wash counters), then be on the PC by 8-8:30pm for 3 solid hours of WoW"
Ah life, the ultimate MMORPG... =)
Just give it time man, they are working up to that.
By your own example, could I then sue Ford (or chevy, whoever it is) for letting Dale Earnhardt Jr drive around in a Budweiser sponsored NASCAR? Saying that that promotes drinking and driving in an illegal way?
"Get in, drink Bud, and drive fast in a left hand circle, Dale does it!"
Its all in the marketing.
"This is clearly a broken business model. Why in their right mind would pay for what they can get for free."
Well semantics here, but you're not getting it for free if you are paying for your cable.
Why yes, I am a nitpicky bastard. =p
For the record, no, you should not have to pay again for content that you already paying for somewhere else.
People have been quick to point out in this thread that "well this is bullshit because we currently have a dozen high level programming positions open, so they are wrong". Well, yes and no.
Sure there is a market for people with a decade of experience in 3 or 4 specific technolgies, but what about entry level? People with less than 3 - 5 years of exp? How does one expect to create a base of programming talent if they can't get hired into jobs to begin with?
Its the low level jobs that are getting offshored and making tech an unattractive industry. Especially since now most companies (in my experience) only count "experience" as time spent working in industry, not independant study or freelancing.
So really, how are we going to fill the ultra-experienced positions in the future if we don't hire people into entry level type positions today?
As someone in PDX looking for a job right now, your point #1 is spot on.
Its because large scale technological advances aren't marketable. I mean, ultimately that's why the Concorde project was left to die out. The costs associated with maintaining the Concorde was prohibitive, so they just peacefully let it die.
The technological advances are still being attained at a good clip, but we don't see them because profit margins are maintained by being safe and marketable while calling yourself "innovative", not by actually being innovative. Its part of the reason people want to get rid of NASA, because it doesn't give the masses something easily consumable like a "War on Terror" or welfare or porn or the internet or whatever...
I could have sworn the city of Beaverton just gave the OSDL a substantial chunk of funding in order to try and "promote growth and yadda yadda" of the tech market here...I'm sure this isn't what they had in mind...
Granted, it sounds like a fairly small ripple in the organization, I just hope it isn't a sign of further things to come.
That depends, if the highway is full of potholes and random assorted things that make it no longer driveable then changing your car is pointless. It would be more logical to point out to the dept. of transportation that the highway is a POS, rather than trying to keep changing cars till you find one that can drive over the top of dead cattle.....that was rambling, but I think I got the point across.
But like you said, you could care less, so more power to you...freedom of choice and all that.
I wasn't saying that YOU personally were racist. I was saying that your argumentation was fallacious because you're saying that all closed source software is bad because some is bad.
Its the same "fallacious reasoning" illustrated by my analogy of the "black people are criminals" example.
Now if you'd like to defend the merit of saying that "all closed source software is bad" then feel free, otherwise don't bother trying to play the "omfg you called me racist!" card.
It does matter where you point the blame. If a site doesn't work in my browser, and its not the fault of the browser, I don't go to the site. Its that simple.
If its something I direly need to visit (banking, etc) then I'll fire up another browser and and email to customer support for that site.
I mean really...if you wanted to blame the software for an "inferior experience" we'd all be running windows because that's what supports everything out of the box with happy little point and click idiot proof menus to maximize your experience.
Unless, of course, you just don't care...but really, holding Opera accountable for poor page design is bad.
Wow, perhaps we should drag the Opera developers up in The Hague as war criminals then....damn them and their creating of the "Web Browser of Ultimate Suffering"
Your argument is akin to saying all black people should be untrustworthy because some commit crimes....ffs sake man.
Maybe they should hire Joe Camel to "get 'em young"
"Look kids, Smoking and Microsoft are cool! Nothing like lighting up a nice Camel unfiltered then hunting down spyware!"
because I'm normally just browsing the web at work anyways, so the net loss in productivity will be $0
Yeah, I think most of the information there is accurate, but obviously misses some of the finer points. you just have to make sure and realize, that like anything else in life, there's more to it than what is presented, but I don't think it is actively false.
Again though, IANAP.
I wholeheartedly agree with you....
Which makes me sad...
Damn thinking with the "big head"!
Not that I have an informed opinion on its failings, as I thoroughly enjoyed it, but my take on a lot of the criticism I've read about it is that it avoids mathematics too much. By attempting to avoid the mathematical side and focus on the spirituality and esoteric nature of modern physics it perhaps "dumbs down" theory too much.
That's my take on the criticism I've read about it. But like I said, I thoroughly enjoyed it, and most of the ideas I cared to research further (mostly ERP related) seemed to be presented well. Having a friend who is doing his master's research in Optics, he confirmed that most of the Optics related topics were relatively correct also.
See and therein lies the rub. #4 and #5 are not clearly defined, leading to gross abuse of the provisions.
I can't argue with a single thing you said, except the last part. Society does adore these people. Its the same reason Martha Stewart is portrayed as the "innocent victim" by her adoring legions of fans, while Kenneth Lay and Dick Cheney are the twin heads of evil. Its like having a caste system based on celebrity status. And honestly, how are we supposed to tell people that education matters when we surround ourselves with "role models" like that? Professional athletes, celebrities, the like, we've grown as a society to worship these people.
Sure, I'll admit that I'm part of the problem, I shell out money for movies, I shell out money to go to sporting events, but I don't think we should do away with those things entirely.
Its a value judgement really. Our society has decided that entertainment and vanity should win out over education and human advancement. Therefore we encourage people to enter those areas with high pay and celebrity, and we ship "menial tasks" like programming and science over to other countries. Private schools and colleges become secondary to the societal reinforcement that vanity wins. I mean really, how many people would be going to college these days if a degree (associates on up) wasn't a necessary requirement for a growing number of jobs? Its not the desire to learn, its the desire to get a piece of paper that makes one eligible for certain employment. This isn't "education" in my mind, but I know that's debateable.
Anything that we can exploit for money, we can. The owner of a pro sports team only pays that high of a salary because he can and still turn a profit, same with Hollywood. Unfortunately, being as though labor for everything else in the world is "cheap" we feel its our duty to exploit that for higher profit margins. Its disgusting. Money = power = vanity = celebrity. I mean really, how are we supposed to encourage education when that is the end result?
Unfortunately, due to Congress having a legal mandate over "interstate commerce" I think anything and everything can fall under their "legal mandate" should they so choose to puruse it. Since selling your ideas can pretty much fall under interstate commerce as broad a term as it is. But i'll avoid any further on that, since its secondary to the point at hand.
Now, don't get me wrong, I do think its a travesty and a detriment to humanity that the owner of an "idea" can block everyone else from every getting access to it. I truly believe that all information should be exchanged freely, and if you want to share an idea you should do so without thought to monetary compensation. However, the point I was making, is that as a society we still pursue monetary rewards for "ideas". In essence, by doing so, we are saying somebody "owns" that idea. Until we get past that point in societal evolution, we cannot mandate that someone give up "ownership" of their "idea" before they are ready to. Is that a travesty? surely. Is that the way our society is at this moment in time, most certainly.
I try to stay away from the kool aid. Unfortunately, I also try to look at all angles. It sometimes leads me to conclusions like this one, where, as bad as it sounds, its the most logical answer for me.
I hope that was sarcasm, or a troll attempt...but i'll bite anyways.
"If you're not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to worry about" right?
We're moving ever closer to a surveillance state, where everything you do is watched 24/7 to make sure you aren't a "spy" or "terrorist". This is just one step closer. I mean seriously, look at all the rhetoric about "preventing terror" and "getting terrorists before they get us". What does that mean? Arresting, convicting, imprisoning people BEFORE they commit a crime. Is that how we want America to work? A country where everyone is watched on the suspicion that they "might" be up to no good? The gov't already has everyone looking over their shoulder and examining their neighbors to see if they "might" be a "spy" or a "terrorist". PATRIOT has already been abused by law enforcement officials. Do you honestly trust that they will behave themselves with RealID?
Nothing to see here, move along...
Are you sure they are just being held in the cellar? :grumble:
They have to update those provisions to get ready for RealID implementation within three years! Now they can invoke PATRIOT when they start scanning your ID's RFID tag without your consent.
Or maybe I'm just paranoid...
That was my first thought.