Not everyone who has bad karma is a troll, just FYI. If your opinion goes against the prevalent slashdot consensus, your posts will be modded into oblivion. In particular, if you're a new poster who doesn't think windows is, like, the omg worst thing EVAR then you'll be in negative land inside a few posts.
However, that said; I do second the call for renaming the "slashdot effect" the "Slashdot Pony Stampeded".
I see you missed that whole "consenting" point I mentioned there...but dont' sweat it none; I wouldn't want to disturb any of your pre-concieved notions there.
I'm an alcoholic with four plus years sobriety; I have a brother who has 17 years sober. I grew up with the twelve step BS as I watched my mother slowly die with her alcoholism unil her death (which, ironically, was from smokes, not beer) and my sibling go through al-anon and AA. I have worked with numerious people over the years who were participants in AA and other 12 step problems.
That established, I want to put this to you; AA and other programs do nothing other than give people a forum to indulge in self-pity and/or brag about how bad they were. Speaking from experience, I can tell you that rather than forcing someone to deal with the issues inside themselves and the emptiness they are experiencing, they instead encourage 12-step groupthink and merely replace one dependence (alcoholism) with another ("keep coming back!!!1").
And yes, there are far too many rehabs in this world who are eager to take your money; rehabs for booze, rehabs for smoking, rehabs for being gay, rehabs for being in the wrong religion ("deprogrammers"). Most of them use either some variation on the 12-step model, aversion therapy or confrontational/group therapy. This is what I was trying (and failed) to refer to when I said it's an industry.
There is value in getting support for your problem, and not everyone can just "tough it out", nor would I say that they must. However, as I said, we've created an industry (rehab, after rehab, etc) of taking minor neurosises ( * addiction, where * is video games, sex, internet, whatever), and convincing people that they're fucked up because they occasionally blow people off in favor of {plaing WoW||reading slashdot||getting laid).
However, you clearly haven't seen any modern music videos. It's not just dancing human beings. It's guys rapping about shooting people and saying, "Take that bitch, want some more?" This kind of material can be very harmful to kids. It provides for a horrendous role model that some children adopt and it causes a number of problems in their ability to develop relationships the world at large. It warps their ideas of life and values.
However, you clearly haven't seen any modern viedo games. It's not just naked apes with barrels. It's guys team killing and saying "Take that bitch, want some more?" This kind of material can be very harmful to kids. It provides for a horrendous role model that some children adopt and it causes a number of problems in their ability to develop relationships with the other people. It warps their ideas of reality and violence.
However, you clearly haven't seen any modern political scandals. It's not just breaking into hotels. It's guys invading soveriegn countries saying, "if you're not with us you're against us" so they can award oil contracts to their subordinates. This kind of material can be very harmful to kids. It provides for a horrendous role model that some children adopt and it causes a number of problems in their ability to develop relationships with people who hold opposing political views. It warps their ideas of politics and diplomacy.
In short; we've got much bigger problems than porn. Shit, porn is about the most beneign one out there!
>No, it has to do with the natual reaction with the arrival of Puritans who insist on impressing their values on the rest of us.
Someone needs to mod the parent post + insightful. I completely agree with his point, and I'd also like to mention that the strong reaction stems from the fact that many slashdot readers tend to be both intelligent, and critical thinkers; and we see a con for what it is.
The recovery industry is just that; an industry; from the time I jumped on the net 11 years ago I saw the 12 step freaks trying to turn recreational internet (and porn) usage into an "addiction" (which gives them a reason to ask you to hand over $$ to them for so-called "treatment").
It's sad that people are buying into this scam to any degree at all.
What is it that Ayn Rand had ellsworth tooey say in the fountainhead? That he wants everyone to be miserable because happy people have no use for him and his kind? It's exactly the same for the 12 step freaks. If you drink, then OMG UR AN ADDICT; if you do anything at all (that they can make money holding a seminar and selling books for), then OMG U R AN ADDICT.
Getting back to the original point; the reaction of slashdotters does not prove that the people putting forth this "porn addiction" scam are valid; quite the opposite, it proves that the lie is easy to see that everyone and their dog can point it out.
How's about we use our "skills" to enable consenting adults to do what the fuck ever they like instead, eh? Seems a little more ethical, not to mention mature, to me.
"Made from scratch from the freshest ingredients" is a problem. It often implies the rash you get when various software components haven't been tested in combination.
Which illustrates perfectly why they call it "Open Sores Software".;)
..your post is the first one that's made any sense. We live in a world of increasing crime, decreasing civil liberties, unending cultural conflict, really awful culture (music, etc) with no viable alternatives, on the news there's nothing but crime and violence, work by definition sucks, financial security is an illousion, family is, by definition, a burden and relationships turn bitter more often than not.
If someone can find solace or-god-forbid joy in this hell of unending stress then I say more power to them!
So do I go with Linux or Desktop BSD? I'm leaning toward Ubuntu simply because there is more support.
You should go with Linux From Scratch, not only is it easier than those two arcane OSes, it's fresher too (made from scratch with the freshes t ingredients)! Don't troll this, you damn trolls!
Oh shit, I suppose I should have read that before posting.
3) Any patent battles would take out american companies; and most of the major corporations are american (as is Debian, AFAIK).
Sorry about your ISP, IMHO the slashteam is making bad decisions with regards to IPs (I've had addresses banned for months just over two bad posts) and then scrambling to draw in new readers because everyone's flocking to digg (?). Trolls aside, they should be making posting easier, instead of messing around with tags, etc.
Probably, but you're proposing a multi-decade legal battle between two entities with extremely deep pockets; and I wouldn't want to be the executive who would go to the board with that proposal and have to face the question of "why aren't we dumping linux and its' legal problems and reviving AIX".
MS isn't a no-name IP scavenger like SCO; they're not someone that even IBM can just shrug off. Yes, they have the cash and the patents; but the cost of engaging in an all-out IP/Patent war with a company the size of MS isn't something that IBM is going to enter into lightly.
I don't honestly believe they'll enter it at all (unless they have no other choice; and here they have other choices; plenty of them).
Where's the PC Party? Where's our friends? Where's the people that want to vote to overturn IP patents, the DMCA and to tell the **AA where to shove their litgation?
So you're going to do a write-in vote for your Imaginary Friend? 'cos that's the only person who fits the description you've just put forth. In particular, I lol'd at the idea of Democrats telling the ??AA where to put anything other than campaign contributions.
I wouldn't call it 'rolling over'; I'd say it's a matter of taking a realistic evaluation of the circumstances and forming an opinion based on that.
IBM won't cut their throats (by engaging in a needless patent war) and the other players (red hat, the fsf) don't have the deep pockets required to fight a legal battle against someone with a war chest the size of MS'.
Not to mention the fact that any patent battle will take decades to shake out (MS has the lawyers to insure that) Free Software will be frozen in time (because it will be illegal to work on it); by the time the dust has settled, it will be 2050 and no one will care any more.
>...IBM would be more than happy to pick their bones clean.
I would seriously NOT count on IBM acting against their own self-interest to save linus' bacon. They have thier own UNIX solutions and it's a sure bet that they would do a benefits analysis on having a patent war with Microsoft and come to the conclusion that it is simply not worth it.
I mean, I love OSS as much as the next guy; but I think that MS has posistioned itself to use the legal system remove the big players from the field and this is a declaration that mop up operations are about to commence.
Given Microsoft's war chest of funds and patents, if they're opting to persue legal action against Linux then it's bye-bye OSS. No one other than IBM has the resources to fight a protracted legal battle and it's very doubtful that IBM would put their funds into a losing battle.
Was nice while it lasted; but I guess it's time to go back to warezing MS products.
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They're going for subtlety; notice the fugly green-on-white scheme when you post? Thank god they don't have that for the front page!
Not everyone who has bad karma is a troll, just FYI. If your opinion goes against the prevalent slashdot consensus, your posts will be modded into oblivion. In particular, if you're a new poster who doesn't think windows is, like, the omg worst thing EVAR then you'll be in negative land inside a few posts.
However, that said; I do second the call for renaming the "slashdot effect" the "Slashdot Pony Stampeded".
At least living in Ak, this BS not only starts early; but it'll end early too.
See you guys in 24.
I see you missed that whole "consenting" point I mentioned there...but dont' sweat it none; I wouldn't want to disturb any of your pre-concieved notions there.
I'm an alcoholic with four plus years sobriety; I have a brother who has 17 years sober. I grew up with the twelve step BS as I watched my mother slowly die with her alcoholism unil her death (which, ironically, was from smokes, not beer) and my sibling go through al-anon and AA. I have worked with numerious people over the years who were participants in AA and other 12 step problems.
That established, I want to put this to you; AA and other programs do nothing other than give people a forum to indulge in self-pity and/or brag about how bad they were. Speaking from experience, I can tell you that rather than forcing someone to deal with the issues inside themselves and the emptiness they are experiencing, they instead encourage 12-step groupthink and merely replace one dependence (alcoholism) with another ("keep coming back!!!1").
And yes, there are far too many rehabs in this world who are eager to take your money; rehabs for booze, rehabs for smoking, rehabs for being gay, rehabs for being in the wrong religion ("deprogrammers"). Most of them use either some variation on the 12-step model, aversion therapy or confrontational/group therapy. This is what I was trying (and failed) to refer to when I said it's an industry.
There is value in getting support for your problem, and not everyone can just "tough it out", nor would I say that they must. However, as I said, we've created an industry (rehab, after rehab, etc) of taking minor neurosises ( * addiction, where * is video games, sex, internet, whatever), and convincing people that they're fucked up because they occasionally blow people off in favor of {plaing WoW||reading slashdot||getting laid).
In short; we've got much bigger problems than porn. Shit, porn is about the most beneign one out there!
>No, it has to do with the natual reaction with the arrival of Puritans who insist on impressing their values on the rest of us.
Someone needs to mod the parent post + insightful. I completely agree with his point, and I'd also like to mention that the strong reaction stems from the fact that many slashdot readers tend to be both intelligent, and critical thinkers; and we see a con for what it is.
The recovery industry is just that; an industry; from the time I jumped on the net 11 years ago I saw the 12 step freaks trying to turn recreational internet (and porn) usage into an "addiction" (which gives them a reason to ask you to hand over $$ to them for so-called "treatment").
It's sad that people are buying into this scam to any degree at all.
What is it that Ayn Rand had ellsworth tooey say in the fountainhead? That he wants everyone to be miserable because happy people have no use for him and his kind? It's exactly the same for the 12 step freaks. If you drink, then OMG UR AN ADDICT; if you do anything at all (that they can make money holding a seminar and selling books for), then OMG U R AN ADDICT.
Getting back to the original point; the reaction of slashdotters does not prove that the people putting forth this "porn addiction" scam are valid; quite the opposite, it proves that the lie is easy to see that everyone and their dog can point it out.
How's about we use our "skills" to enable consenting adults to do what the fuck ever they like instead, eh? Seems a little more ethical, not to mention mature, to me.
Which illustrates perfectly why they call it "Open Sores Software".
I'd hate to be suck with a bitchy know-it-all or a moronic and clueless n00b; I feel sorry for you guys!
..your post is the first one that's made any sense. We live in a world of increasing crime, decreasing civil liberties, unending cultural conflict, really awful culture (music, etc) with no viable alternatives, on the news there's nothing but crime and violence, work by definition sucks, financial security is an illousion, family is, by definition, a burden and relationships turn bitter more often than not.
If someone can find solace or-god-forbid joy in this hell of unending stress then I say more power to them!
No, it's an OpenBSD with a Business Plan.
You should go with Linux From Scratch, not only is it easier than those two arcane OSes, it's fresher too (made from scratch with the freshes t ingredients)!
Don't troll this, you damn trolls!
Oh shit, I suppose I should have read that before posting.
Where is most of the economic base of Linux? That's right; American distributions and corporations.
When the money dries up, you're left with bupkiss; this is something that the "oh yeah america isn't the world" crowd conviently overlooks.
He'll bury them! He's done it before and he'll do it again! *throws chair*
As many as they can afford to port it to.
1) that could be switched over to AIX, if needed
2) I hadn't thought about that; excellent point.
3) Any patent battles would take out american companies; and most of the major corporations are american (as is Debian, AFAIK).
Sorry about your ISP, IMHO the slashteam is making bad decisions with regards to IPs (I've had addresses banned for months just over two bad posts) and then scrambling to draw in new readers because everyone's flocking to digg (?). Trolls aside, they should be making posting easier, instead of messing around with tags, etc.
Probably, but you're proposing a multi-decade legal battle between two entities with extremely deep pockets; and I wouldn't want to be the executive who would go to the board with that proposal and have to face the question of "why aren't we dumping linux and its' legal problems and reviving AIX".
MS isn't a no-name IP scavenger like SCO; they're not someone that even IBM can just shrug off. Yes, they have the cash and the patents; but the cost of engaging in an all-out IP/Patent war with a company the size of MS isn't something that IBM is going to enter into lightly.
I don't honestly believe they'll enter it at all (unless they have no other choice; and here they have other choices; plenty of them).
The system is not ours, it is theirs.
game over, set and match.
I wouldn't call it 'rolling over'; I'd say it's a matter of taking a realistic evaluation of the circumstances and forming an opinion based on that.
IBM won't cut their throats (by engaging in a needless patent war) and the other players (red hat, the fsf) don't have the deep pockets required to fight a legal battle against someone with a war chest the size of MS'.
Not to mention the fact that any patent battle will take decades to shake out (MS has the lawyers to insure that) Free Software will be frozen in time (because it will be illegal to work on it); by the time the dust has settled, it will be 2050 and no one will care any more.
Just calling it as I see it.
> Write to your representatives and ...send cash or don't bother.
>...IBM would be more than happy to pick their bones clean.
I would seriously NOT count on IBM acting against their own self-interest to save linus' bacon. They have thier own UNIX solutions and it's a sure bet that they would do a benefits analysis on having a patent war with Microsoft and come to the conclusion that it is simply not worth it.
I mean, I love OSS as much as the next guy; but I think that MS has posistioned itself to use the legal system remove the big players from the field and this is a declaration that mop up operations are about to commence.
Easy; you simply tie up the large vendors (Redhat, et al) with legal actions and put cease-and-desist orders on the developers and you're set.
MS could do this without breaking a sweat.
Given Microsoft's war chest of funds and patents, if they're opting to persue legal action against Linux then it's bye-bye OSS. No one other than IBM has the resources to fight a protracted legal battle and it's very doubtful that IBM would put their funds into a losing battle.
Was nice while it lasted; but I guess it's time to go back to warezing MS products.
>Thus reaffirming that todays generation is a bunch of apathetic know-nothings.
Says the curmudgeon from the "slacker" generation...
>I'm sorry but Linkin Park and Brittney Spears will not be selling records in 30 years.
Nor will they be buying Pearl Jam or The Spice Girls.
Look into the mirror; what you're saying about today's kids is more true about yourself.
FYI, I'm 39 (and -getting back to the original question, had thought apple corp went tits up in 1970).