The State is created by free men to protect liberty and freedom. The problem we face is when the State becomes a monster and threatens the very liberty and freedom it was created to protect.
Don't you think that's a bit on the extremely unlikely side? I mean, sure, in theory that could happen; and in theory aliens could land on the white house and pose for a photo-op. Neither speculation adds anything productive to the conversation, however.
Or saving Word/RTF files in such a way that they can be read by either Word 97 or Office XP? (tried both, neither could read the files written by AjaxRite)
Anyone who has done enterprise level web-enabled applications can easily tell you the faults with all of the major players in the database field. Oracle is simply 'ok', but for most tasks, it's -to be brutally honest- over kill. Do you really need the replication features of SQL when all you are doing is cacheing emails and collecting messages from your users? At this juncture, most people are relieved because they believe that they settle for a second-teir solution such as MYsql and save the licensing fees to boot.
This might be ideal if all that you were doing was a ruby program that indexed your record collection, say for a student project in your CS class; but in the real world if you have to interface with serious e-commerce applications you will find that not only does MySqL lack even moderately advanced SQL features, but that you will be facing rising support costs for this "free" platform.
So, this brings us to PostGRESL. Now, I don't have a lot of experience with it, myself, given that I've mostly stuck to following the major database players instead of the fringe ones, but since this article addresses it, I've asked some of my friends their opinions. While it's featureful and scalable enough to meet the demands of your average medium sized shop, they've noticed that it tends to not be a viable solution for larger projects. In particular the latest industry benchmarks show PostGREsqL performing poorly compared to more mainstream vendor such as ingres.
Again, like MysQl, POSTgres demonstrates that in order to get enterprise level performance out of hobbyist level software, you're going to have to pay enterprise level fees for support as well as licenseing.
So, in conclusion, after seeing the way in which the other industry standard database solutions fail, there's only one choice a sane IT manager can make: When you need a datacenter solution which both high performant and scalable, is eoconomically viable and contains more support for the current standards the only real contender is SQL Server.
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>nobody would ever stick that crap in their nose.
I bet they'd stick it in their pipe and smoke it, though!
>It smells more of an abandonware goodwill gesture than anything.
I have no doubt that you're right; but I have to ask...so what? You make it sound as if this is a bad thing; I'd like to know what you'd have preffered.
By releasing this to the public in this manner, Eiffel has a chance to stay alive and to be adopted by a community which will use and enhance it. Mind you, I can relate to your attitude of "what a kiss off, who cares?". That is exactly how I felt about the open-sourceing of minix years back. I remember Tannenbaum's release, which essentially said "uh, here; have my teaching guide. do stuff with it, I dunno, maybe add it to a watch of something, I don't care". I figured "ok, minix is crap, and now it will go right down the toilet". For a long time, my attidue seemed to be vindicated -minix didn't do much (the compiler was opened, and the newsgroup got a few posts).
Now? I think it was last october that Minix 3 was released. By being opened, Minix found an appreciative audience and had a chance to grow and develop. Obviously had it just been forgotten and kept proprietary this would not have occured.
After what's happened with Minix, and looking at Eiffel; I'd say instead of griping and saying "so what" let's wait and see if something interesting doesn't eventually develop out of this.
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No sweat; take it easy.
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>Your response is more of an anti-Pine troll than a commentary on the article.
what do yahoo, gmail, mutt and pine all have in common? They are all email solutions, and my comment was addressing the topic of locally-installed and web-based email clients.
Neither yahoo nor gmail are open source, but neither are yahoo nor gmail applications which install locally on your machine either. However, both pine and mutt are locally-installable applications, and that is why I made the comparison between them (as opposed to between pine and gmail, which is about like comparing pumpkins to gym socks IMO). For a Free system (such as Debian GNU/Linux) installing pine isn't even an option unless you add the non-free branch; this is for the reason which I already pointed out.
Therefore, for people who are running a Free Computer, and who wish to use a CLI mail client, mutt is a more viable choice than is pine.
Finally, I'm certainly not above trolling, but my comments in this article have been both sincere representations of my personal opinion and have been stated appropriately. Your accusation of trolling is as inaccurate as it is inflammatory.
Dyndns is a great solution to the dynamic IP problem; however most ISPs have provisions in their TOS that specifically forbid the use of email -or other- servers.
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It doesn't work with MS-DOS 3.0 either; but no one is complaining about that. Seriously, here's no reason, in this day and age, that you can't access the internet through a legitimate ISP (at work if not at home), using a java-script enabled browser. The days of needing to log in to a shell account in order to surf the web died before the first dot-com bubble.
As far as SSL support goes, Lynx has had SSL support since at least 2000 (if not before), if your "shell provider" is running software which is 6 years out of date, I'd suggest that you probably have larger problems to worry about (ranging from version incompatibilities in applications such as gas and gcc to the obvious security concerns).
If -somehow- they're running a newer version of lynx with ssl compiled out, they're a crap provider and you should drop them. If you have no other browser except for a CLI browser provided through some dodgy shell account (which you're logging on to with what network connection, exactly?) then I suppose you can use yahoo mail (they bitch, but you can still read you emails, though I doubt you can send them any more).
journal posting + no anonymous + no foes/no friends fos == vastly improved signal to noise ratio.
This is the direction the front page should go. Hell, if taco implements this then maybe, just maybe they can regain the userbase which digg has stolen from them.
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However, that and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee. People value what they value; if they aren't rioting in the streets after finding out that our conntry is spying on them and sending people to syria for torture, then they most certainly aren't going to give one half of one shit that word documents cannot be universally read.
Once again, RMS demonstrates that being right isn't the only thing; hell, in this age, being right isn't (worth) any thing.
Why should they be? OpenSSH deliberately chose to distribute its' product under the BSD license, which makes a point of putting its' users under NO obligations whatsoever.
Theo should consider himself lucky that RedHat didn't decide to put some of it's many talented and professional coders to work under a GNU licensed fork of SSH and cut off his revenue stream. Ethically and Legally there's nothing to prevent them (or anyone else) from doing just that.
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Don't you think that's a bit on the extremely unlikely side? I mean, sure, in theory that could happen; and in theory aliens could land on the white house and pose for a photo-op. Neither speculation adds anything productive to the conversation, however.
,s/said pollution/said about pollution/g
As George Carlin said pollution; Earth will be fine. We might be fucked; but the earth will be A-OK.
Xena has only 68 miles on Pluto, but it's mostly made of ICE. One good solar flare up and *poof*, no more Xena.
...when you need your software as out of date as possible!
(I kid, I kid; at least until slackware finishes downloading...)
Or saving Word/RTF files in such a way that they can be read by either Word 97 or Office XP? (tried both, neither could read the files written by AjaxRite)
What's Next? Stallman takes a bath.
Anyone who has done enterprise level web-enabled applications can easily tell you the faults with all of the major players in the database field. Oracle is simply 'ok', but for most tasks, it's -to be brutally honest- over kill. Do you really need the replication features of SQL when all you are doing is cacheing emails and collecting messages from your users? At this juncture, most people are relieved because they believe that they settle for a second-teir solution such as MYsql and save the licensing fees to boot.
This might be ideal if all that you were doing was a ruby program that indexed your record collection, say for a student project in your CS class; but in the real world if you have to interface with serious e-commerce applications you will find that not only does MySqL lack even moderately advanced SQL features, but that you will be facing rising support costs for this "free" platform.
So, this brings us to PostGRESL. Now, I don't have a lot of experience with it, myself, given that I've mostly stuck to following the major database players instead of the fringe ones, but since this article addresses it, I've asked some of my friends their opinions. While it's featureful and scalable enough to meet the demands of your average medium sized shop, they've noticed that it tends to not be a viable solution for larger projects. In particular the latest industry benchmarks show PostGREsqL performing poorly compared to more mainstream vendor such as ingres.
Again, like MysQl, POSTgres demonstrates that in order to get enterprise level performance out of hobbyist level software, you're going to have to pay enterprise level fees for support as well as licenseing.
So, in conclusion, after seeing the way in which the other industry standard database solutions fail, there's only one choice a sane IT manager can make: When you need a datacenter solution which both high performant and scalable, is eoconomically viable and contains more support for the current standards the only real contender is SQL Server.
>nobody would ever stick that crap in their nose.
I bet they'd stick it in their pipe and smoke it, though!
>It smells more of an abandonware goodwill gesture than anything.
I have no doubt that you're right; but I have to ask...so what? You make it sound as if this is a bad thing; I'd like to know what you'd have preffered.
By releasing this to the public in this manner, Eiffel has a chance to stay alive and to be adopted by a community which will use and enhance it. Mind you, I can relate to your attitude of "what a kiss off, who cares?". That is exactly how I felt about the open-sourceing of minix years back. I remember Tannenbaum's release, which essentially said "uh, here; have my teaching guide. do stuff with it, I dunno, maybe add it to a watch of something, I don't care". I figured "ok, minix is crap, and now it will go right down the toilet". For a long time, my attidue seemed to be vindicated -minix didn't do much (the compiler was opened, and the newsgroup got a few posts).
Now? I think it was last october that Minix 3 was released. By being opened, Minix found an appreciative audience and had a chance to grow and develop. Obviously had it just been forgotten and kept proprietary this would not have occured.
After what's happened with Minix, and looking at Eiffel; I'd say instead of griping and saying "so what" let's wait and see if something interesting doesn't eventually develop out of this.
No sweat; take it easy.
>Your response is more of an anti-Pine troll than a commentary on the article.
what do yahoo, gmail, mutt and pine all have in common? They are all email solutions, and my comment was addressing the topic of locally-installed and web-based email clients.
Neither yahoo nor gmail are open source, but neither are yahoo nor gmail applications which install locally on your machine either. However, both pine and mutt are locally-installable applications, and that is why I made the comparison between them (as opposed to between pine and gmail, which is about like comparing pumpkins to gym socks IMO). For a Free system (such as Debian GNU/Linux) installing pine isn't even an option unless you add the non-free branch; this is for the reason which I already pointed out.
Therefore, for people who are running a Free Computer, and who wish to use a CLI mail client, mutt is a more viable choice than is pine.
Finally, I'm certainly not above trolling, but my comments in this article have been both sincere representations of my personal opinion and have been stated appropriately. Your accusation of trolling is as inaccurate as it is inflammatory.
Dyndns is a great solution to the dynamic IP problem; however most ISPs have provisions in their TOS that specifically forbid the use of email -or other- servers.
It doesn't work with MS-DOS 3.0 either; but no one is complaining about that. Seriously, here's no reason, in this day and age, that you can't access the internet through a legitimate ISP (at work if not at home), using a java-script enabled browser. The days of needing to log in to a shell account in order to surf the web died before the first dot-com bubble.
As far as SSL support goes, Lynx has had SSL support since at least 2000 (if not before), if your "shell provider" is running software which is 6 years out of date, I'd suggest that you probably have larger problems to worry about (ranging from version incompatibilities in applications such as gas and gcc to the obvious security concerns).
If -somehow- they're running a newer version of lynx with ssl compiled out, they're a crap provider and you should drop them. If you have no other browser except for a CLI browser provided through some dodgy shell account (which you're logging on to with what network connection, exactly?) then I suppose you can use yahoo mail (they bitch, but you can still read you emails, though I doubt you can send them any more).
journal posting + no anonymous + no foes/no friends fos == vastly improved signal to noise ratio.
This is the direction the front page should go. Hell, if taco implements this then maybe, just maybe they can regain the userbase which digg has stolen from them.
pine isn't even Free Software for pater's sake!
You cannot modify pine and distribute it; you have to make a patch of your changes, and distribute that along with a copy of the source code.
Mutt is superior (as is yahoo mail -except when it comes to pop3 access which is becoming less and less relevent every day)!
However, that and two bucks will get you a cup of coffee. People value what they value; if they aren't rioting in the streets after finding out that our conntry is spying on them and sending people to syria for torture, then they most certainly aren't going to give one half of one shit that word documents cannot be universally read.
Once again, RMS demonstrates that being right isn't the only thing; hell, in this age, being right isn't (worth) any thing.
Why should they be? OpenSSH deliberately chose to distribute its' product under the BSD license, which makes a point of putting its' users under NO obligations whatsoever.
Theo should consider himself lucky that RedHat didn't decide to put some of it's many talented and professional coders to work under a GNU licensed fork of SSH and cut off his revenue stream. Ethically and Legally there's nothing to prevent them (or anyone else) from doing just that.
They used to be a lot more uptight around here, actually. But yeah; the april whiners are the worst part of the whole day.
>Maybe it could have been done worse.
Two words; "evil bit"
more like "OMGPONYtails" amirite?
Linux? Huh? What's detergent got to do with mp3s?
Why yes, it does
One Trick Ponies!!!
Don't be so sure; I've seen a number of women posters on slashdot but Zero teenage girls.
OMG!!! PONIES!!! Kawaii bishie GLOMP GLOMP GLOMP!!!