> After three significant fuckups the fuckup gets put away .
Again, three arrests for possession of marijuana, and you're up the river without a paddle.
Sorry, I could see the point if it was restricted to violent/sexual offenders; but more often than not, it's used against non-violent offenses such as possession of pot.
>It seems to be spreading a meme that prisoners deserve rape and it's time to go back to the feudal system of revenge, rather than rehabilitation.
Shit, where have you been for the last twelve years (at least)? The 'three strike' laws and boot camps are in place precisely because America has given up on the idea of rehabilitation and has instead used the prison system as an outlet for revenge.
Rape jokes aside; most people feel that if the people in prison all killed each other, we'd be better off (not a view I share; just one I'm pointing out).
BSD's a slut? The only one to be more fanatical than Theo De Raadt about Free (as in speech) Software is RMS himself. OpenBSD rolls their own apache because the offical one is too restrictive, for fuck's sake!
This is in stark contrast to Linus who has time and time again downplayed the necessity for Free software, and who at one point even put in a proprietary solution (bitkeeper) into the development of the linux kernel!
If BSD is a slut, then I'd hate to imagine what in the fuck you'd call Linus (the last thing I'd call him, however, is any kind of OSS advocate).
If you want to have a mindless MS-bashing; go for it. But realise that there are a great many in the BSD camp who choose that license precisely because it is more free, and realise too that you don't have to drink the GNU/Kool-aid to believe in or advocate for Free Software.
I'll have to check out those books. I'm ashamed to say that I don't know as much about PHP as I should. While I was busy trying to decipher Open Source Perl code (to learn from) the web standardised on PHP, and I know next to nothing about it! I just hope there's an emacs mode for PHP, I'd hate to have to go back to using VIM to code.
Caldera had a semi-decent mostly commerical OS out there, and then when they were bought up they slowly but certainly dropped any pretense of being interested in the home/enthusiast market. Of course, Mandrake had much more of a tie with the community; but it seems their tie to the community just walked out the door, didn't it?
Let's hope Mandriva doesn't suddenly decide that its' IP is in the linus kernel!
My guess is that there are only two Live-CD BSD distributions (to the best of my knowledge, at least); freesbie (which isn't security oriented) and one from NetBSD (which I forget the name of, and I'm not even sure is being made any more). There is no Live-CDs from the OpenBSD camp at all.
The article (and therefore, discussion) is about Live-CDs.
Whose definition of morality are we talking about, here? Yours, or Stallman's?
I'm talking about the moral point of view that one should not weave hemp into rope for the people who mean to hang us (meaning, we should not enable technologies which will later be used to restrict our ability to read, write or otherwise do what we like with our computers).
Linus has no problem with that, however; and that is what I mean when I say that he is on the wrong side of the issue, morally.
He is quite happy to allow the business world to use Linux to legitimize DRM technology and techniques so that they become ubiquitous. This is dispite the fact thatin all likelyhood this will result (in the not-so-long-run) in closed computers that will not be user-programmable and may even ironically result in linux not being able to be run on personal PCs once the computing world has become used to being shackled by corporate interests.
The meaning of rest of the statement should be fairly obvious; Linus has been around the block a time or two and he should be aware forbes comes to bury OSS, not to praise it; so the fact he's happy to sit down with their interviewers means he's at best ignoring their agenda for his own benefit (which would be what? it's not like he needs the publicity) or he's actively endorsing their extremist pro-business agenda. (not just pro-business, mind you; but extremely so. Hell, I'm pro-business, nothing wrong with that as long as the needs of the market are tempered with respect for the rights of the individual)
If your martyr complex requires you to fight battles that are unpossbile to win; feel free. The rest of us have enough to do coping with the winnable battles of work and family.
1)John was beheaded; end of story; that was the point. 2)DRM, like warrentless survellience (sp?) is an inevitable part of modern life; this isn't going to change so you may as well learn how to cope.
Morally, Linus is on the wrong side of the DRM battle, since he supports it (and is willing to be used as a PR pawn by Forbes), however Pragmatically, he's on the right side of the battle, since DRM is ineveitable and perhaps by doing their bidding, the robber barons^W^W business world will allow him to continue living^w coding.
Stallman may be right morally, but so was John The Baptist; and look at what happened to him.
They get the work of the free community; which is enough to stall them while they have to rebuild from scratch (lest they be sued for patent infringements, etc). So it's the next best thing.
Oracle's got themselves a nice bundle of Prior Art and patentable source code there which should help them fend off any FOSS loonies that try to fork old code or make new code.
Yesssss, I think we won't be having to worry about competiton from hippie database programs. Now if only we could get someone to buy up BSD and Linux...
To call RMS a 'hobbyist' is an insult beyond reproach. Perhaps you should do some research on him and his accomplishments in the [b]Professional[/b] world (EMACS springs to mind). Yes, he rants, froths and has long hair; but his background is wholly, solidly credible.
The ability to avoid evitable litagation -something that your hero RMS spends considerable time, energy and thought into- is a reflection of how much planning and attention to detail goes into a project.
I realise that linux losers hate to "kowtow" to any kind of structure or authority, but it has been proven time and time again that projects which adhere to professional, time-tested organisational methodologies produce software which is more dependable and of generally higher quality.
By adhering to a consistent and professional form of managing resources they are free to focus on technical breakthroughs (such as NetBSD being the first free OS to provide USB support, FreeBSD's implementation of the Jail concept and Open Solaris' extending that into their zones feature) while projects comprised of mere rabble are wasting years doing code audits (ReactOS) or going hat in hand to major corporations such as IBM to clean up after their legal entanglements.
In short, if you lack the ability to plan in detail enough to take litigation into consideration, it's more likely than not you lack the ability to produce software which can match the quality of that put out by people who actually earn their bread and butter by programming.
>Linus Torvalds was just such a person who wanted a Unix like operating system for his 386,
And his cavilier attitude towards code accountability has led to the SCO fiasco, which nearly put an end to genuine Free (as in speech) software. Put THAT in your DRM-chmod'ed kernel and run it.
>Besides the audit means that when microsoft comes to sue them, >microsoft has no grounds to sue them one because all of the code has been cleaned.
It means nothing of the sort; it means that Microsoft has to work harder to find something to sue the ReactOS project for (and there's little doubt they have the resources to find an algorythmic needle in a source code haystack).
Also, everyone is ignoring Patents; MS is unlikely to forego using that weapon in the War On OSS.
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> After three significant fuckups the fuckup gets put away .
Again, three arrests for possession of marijuana, and you're up the river without a paddle.
Sorry, I could see the point if it was restricted to violent/sexual offenders; but more often than not, it's used against non-violent offenses such as possession of pot.
That's just bullshit;plain and simple.
>It seems to be spreading a meme that prisoners deserve rape and it's time to go back to the feudal system of revenge, rather than rehabilitation.
Shit, where have you been for the last twelve years (at least)? The 'three strike' laws and boot camps are in place precisely because America has given up on the idea of rehabilitation and has instead used the prison system as an outlet for revenge.
Rape jokes aside; most people feel that if the people in prison all killed each other, we'd be better off (not a view I share; just one I'm pointing out).
Hemp-related crimes which are non-violent and should be legal in the first place.
BSD's a slut? The only one to be more fanatical than Theo De Raadt about Free (as in speech) Software is RMS himself. OpenBSD rolls their own apache because the offical one is too restrictive, for fuck's sake!
This is in stark contrast to Linus who has time and time again downplayed the necessity for Free software, and who at one point even put in a proprietary solution (bitkeeper) into the development of the linux kernel!
If BSD is a slut, then I'd hate to imagine what in the fuck you'd call Linus (the last thing I'd call him, however, is any kind of OSS advocate).
If you want to have a mindless MS-bashing; go for it. But realise that there are a great many in the BSD camp who choose that license precisely because it is more free, and realise too that you don't have to drink the GNU/Kool-aid to believe in or advocate for Free Software.
But it's certainly beginning to smell like it is!
I'll have to check out those books. I'm ashamed to say that I don't know as much about PHP as I should. While I was busy trying to decipher Open Source Perl code (to learn from) the web standardised on PHP, and I know next to nothing about it!
I just hope there's an emacs mode for PHP, I'd hate to have to go back to using VIM to code.
Caldera had a semi-decent mostly commerical OS out there, and then when they were bought up they slowly but certainly dropped any pretense of being interested in the home/enthusiast market. Of course, Mandrake had much more of a tie with the community; but it seems their tie to the community just walked out the door, didn't it?
Let's hope Mandriva doesn't suddenly decide that its' IP is in the linus kernel!
My guess is that there are only two Live-CD BSD distributions (to the best of my knowledge, at least); freesbie (which isn't security oriented) and one from NetBSD (which I forget the name of, and I'm not even sure is being made any more). There is no Live-CDs from the OpenBSD camp at all.
The article (and therefore, discussion) is about Live-CDs.
it has a nice feed and you can blog to it
I can wait for a site to load, I just go take a bath or something; and it's there when I get back. For downloading cds, I can just wge-aaaagggh.
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From XP (Unix->VMS->WNT) to MacOS...for being a dead OS, it's certainly got quite a social life.
Whose definition of morality are we talking about, here? Yours, or Stallman's?
I'm talking about the moral point of view that one should not weave hemp into rope for the people who mean to hang us (meaning, we should not enable technologies which will later be used to restrict our ability to read, write or otherwise do what we like with our computers).
Linus has no problem with that, however; and that is what I mean when I say that he is on the wrong side of the issue, morally.
He is quite happy to allow the business world to use Linux to legitimize DRM technology and techniques so that they become ubiquitous. This is dispite the fact thatin all likelyhood this will result (in the not-so-long-run) in closed computers that will not be user-programmable and may even ironically result in linux not being able to be run on personal PCs once the computing world has become used to being shackled by corporate interests.
The meaning of rest of the statement should be fairly obvious; Linus has been around the block a time or two and he should be aware forbes comes to bury OSS, not to praise it; so the fact he's happy to sit down with their interviewers means he's at best ignoring their agenda for his own benefit (which would be what? it's not like he needs the publicity) or he's actively endorsing their extremist pro-business agenda. (not just pro-business, mind you; but extremely so. Hell, I'm pro-business, nothing wrong with that as long as the needs of the market are tempered with respect for the rights of the individual)
Do they also get $ from searches on ebay, amazon, or yahoo (which are also listed on the toolbar)?
If your martyr complex requires you to fight battles that are unpossbile to win; feel free. The rest of us have enough to do coping with the winnable battles of work and family.
1)John was beheaded; end of story; that was the point.
2)DRM, like warrentless survellience (sp?) is an inevitable part of modern life; this isn't going to change so you may as well learn how to cope.
Morally, Linus is on the wrong side of the DRM battle, since he supports it (and is willing to be used as a PR pawn by Forbes), however Pragmatically, he's on the right side of the battle, since DRM is ineveitable and perhaps by doing their bidding, the robber barons^W^W business world will allow him to continue living^w coding.
Stallman may be right morally, but so was John The Baptist; and look at what happened to him.
...I suppose you probably don't want to hear that you've got another 45 minutes before OOo is loaded the rest of the way.
They get the work of the free community; which is enough to stall them while they have to rebuild from scratch (lest they be sued for patent infringements, etc). So it's the next best thing.
Oracle's got themselves a nice bundle of Prior Art and patentable source code there which should help them fend off any FOSS loonies that try to fork old code or make new code.
Yesssss, I think we won't be having to worry about competiton from hippie database programs. Now if only we could get someone to buy up BSD and Linux...
hey, this is slashdot; what answer were you expecting?
That's like just your opinion, man
To call RMS a 'hobbyist' is an insult beyond reproach. Perhaps you should do some research on him and his accomplishments in the [b]Professional[/b] world (EMACS springs to mind). Yes, he rants, froths and has long hair; but his background is wholly, solidly credible.
The ability to avoid evitable litagation -something that your hero RMS spends considerable time, energy and thought into- is a reflection of how much planning and attention to detail goes into a project.
I realise that linux losers hate to "kowtow" to any kind of structure or authority, but it has been proven time and time again that projects which adhere to professional, time-tested organisational methodologies produce software which is more dependable and of generally higher quality.
By adhering to a consistent and professional form of managing resources they are free to focus on technical breakthroughs (such as NetBSD being the first free OS to provide USB support, FreeBSD's implementation of the Jail concept and Open Solaris' extending that into their zones feature) while projects comprised of mere rabble are wasting years doing code audits (ReactOS) or going hat in hand to major corporations such as IBM to clean up after their legal entanglements.
In short, if you lack the ability to plan in detail enough to take litigation into consideration, it's more likely than not you lack the ability to produce software which can match the quality of that put out by people who actually earn their bread and butter by programming.
>Linus Torvalds was just such a person who wanted a Unix like operating system for his 386,
And his cavilier attitude towards code accountability has led to the SCO fiasco, which nearly put an end to genuine Free (as in speech) software. Put THAT in your DRM-chmod'ed kernel and run it.
>Besides the audit means that when microsoft comes to sue them,
>microsoft has no grounds to sue them one because all of the code has been cleaned.
It means nothing of the sort; it means that Microsoft has to work harder to find something to sue the ReactOS project for (and there's little doubt they have the resources to find an algorythmic needle in a source code haystack).
Also, everyone is ignoring Patents; MS is unlikely to forego using that weapon in the War On OSS.