So would marshal arts and self defense training then by definition be abusive? If so I sure as hell hope Child Protective Services don't find out or a whole hell of a lot of dojo masters are going to jail for child abuse.
So, just because a company pays the water bill and thus owns the water, does that mean they can lace the taps in the ladies' bathroom with contraceptives?
If the employees has signed a legally valid contract and medical waiver after being informed maybe...
Just because I own my hi-fi, does that mean I may put the speakers on the balcony, point them at the neighbours, and play it at top volume at midnight?
if you had a magical sound dampening field sure but once those soundwaves cross you property line and they enter public property or other people private property you are violating noise ordnances then no.
Just because I own a baseball bat, that means I can hit you in the head with it?
No as I have not given you permission to hit my head and you do not own my head.
Since when has the rule "the person who owns an object has total say of any actions performed by or in relation to it" ever applied to any part of society?
Ever since we had the concept of personal property? As long as you are not doing anything with it to some other person without their permission or to some other persons property, you should be able to do what ever the hell you want with it.
If you agree to a bad policy that is your problem. Don't have another job option then don't use equipment/network. There is plenty of free WIFI out there if you don't have have internet at home. Don't trust the free WIFI then use tor. You have options. The only reason I use the WIFI at work (with my personal device at that) is because I admin the network and know they have no such policy and no such logging. If they were to decide to do so I would simply comply with the policy and only use the internet for what I don't care if they see. So what if they saw my slashdot login? I only use that password for who-gives-a-shit sites with no secret information. I would not use it for banking or health-care (without a ssh proxy to my home network if such a proxying were permitted) period.
In the US, this is totally legal, although there may be disclosure requirements (I'm not sure). The "my system, my rules" argument wins. My workplace does this, and they informed me that they do this when I was hired.
That's ridiculous, there must be some limits. The argument "my system, my rules" will not work if you were to whip your employees like slaves, so why should it hold for taking away other rights? Signing them away is a nice try, but you can't sign away all your rights.
It would be more like You selling their information to identity theives to recoup cost from them stealing you company car at lunch and taking it for a unathorised joy ride slamming it into a phone-post and setting it on fire. Neither party is innocent they are both being dicks. the question is whom is the bigger dick (and not in the good way)
Why are you assuming that the employees are dishonest and stealing company time and access?
Likewise, why are you assuming that the employer is dishonest and stealing employee info? As has been pointed out, there is a legitimate reason for doing this (scanning and blocking malware being distributed over https, like in email).
To reach the conclusion that the employer is doing this because they think the employees are dishonest, you must first arrive at the conclusion that the employer is dishonest. Which seems like a double standard. Either assume they're both honest until proven otherwise, or assume they're both dishonest. Why is one presumed innocent until prove otherwise, while the other is presumed guilty until proven otherwise?
I think it is best for both parties to assume the other is a hostle third party when it comes to personal privacy and company security. Employers should use ssl striping or other MITMA on their own equipment to secure it, as long as they inform the users of it AND/OR ban the private use of company equipment. Likewise Users should assume a hostile environment and either use their own device + vpn, ssh tunnel, tor, or other secured proxying method or simple not do do sensitive internet activities on company time/property. Now ideally your employer would have a seprate vlan and wireless provided to their emploies for personal use so that company equipments security and network integrity is not damaged by dumb-asses downloading Fr33!!!!_-_Game_***PR0N***.swf.exe.apk on their tablet at lunch and executing it._
It seems like every time you turn around, another bitcoin exchange is hacked or some startup social network for dogs is secretly uploading all your phone contacts over clear text or a retailer is storing unencrypted cc numbers and passwords. Some of the worst offenders are brogrammers. Is there anything we can do?
Or if we were to have a OpenBSD android what security/privacy measures would be made/changed to secure the platform?
Has the NSA scandal changed the status of the OpenBSD project?
posting to undo bad mod, but also interested what effects Snowden leaks specifically the revelations of backdoored hardware and bugged hardware have had on OpenBSD, Is there anything that can be done in software for untrusted hardware?
Vaccines have had numerous concerns over many decades, so the latest batch does not make people sinister it makes them cynical and skeptical. Start here.
As much as vaccines help the majority of people, other people have been crippled and killed by the same vaccines. The latest MMR vaccine is linked to a couple hundred (237 last I looked) of narcolepsy, the latest polio vaccine is linked to numerous deaths and various levels of paralysis. Sometimes these are blamed on contamination in the vaccine, and other times we have no explanation.
If you are a parent and know about the potential for harm, you may not wish to give your kid a vaccine. Especially for something generally not life threatening like chicken pox.
Why not educate people to both sides of the argument and let them make an educated choice?
There is middle ground on normally nonlife threatening diseases like chickenpox and the average flu bug, the problem is dumbasses that won't vaccs their kids against anything for fear they might be one of the couple hundred out of billions that would have a reaction then insted their kid get a disease and spread it to the immunocompromised that genuinely cannot get vaccinated. They are endangering their children and society over a risk lower than the odds of you getting hit by car tomorrow on the way to drop them at school yet they do drive their children.
Both these bugs are caused by people using 'goto' like morons. Using 'goto' should start throwing compile-time errors to start forcing people off this relic of flow control.
Problem there is that it would break very old programs that just need recompiled and thus require a rewrite. A better way would be to have it disabled in the compiler by default so you have to enable a flag to override it so you are aware that it is there.
"Open Source Software is more secure because the code can be reviewed."
That's why this bug has existed since 2005. gg, guys. Thumbs up.
What do you mean? The many eyes found said bug that is why we are reading about it if thay had not it would still be sitting there undiscovered. Ever wonder how many bug go completely unnoticed in proprietary software because no one actually reads said code? Like for example a Windows bug affecting all 32 bit Windows OS's for 17 years: http://www.computerworld.com/s....
First, and yet another OSS-releated security risk:(
At least they are rare enough that it is news worthy. As compared to Windows where new exploits hardly ever get any attention because they are so frilling common as to be passé.
How did you reach this conclusion? The guy has been a lying "me-too" since at least 14. Anyone who grew up with him knows how full of shit he is. He also is just a fucking cheerleader, can't code for shit. Look at his commits.
Looks like we got ourselves a JTRIG attack here. What is JTRIG?
As reported on earlier on slashdot;
Advocatus Diaboli writes with this excerpt from an article by Glenn Greenwald on the pervasiveness of shills poisoning web forums: "One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It's time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents..... Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the Internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: 'false flag operations' (posting material to the Internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting 'negative information' on various forums." I guess Cryptome was right. Check out the the training materials provided to future forum spies.
No Navy intelligence wrote the original tor software they then open sourced it and gave it to the community. It is now run by the TOR project most of the members of which are regularly harassed and spied on by the US government. Jaccob Applebaum head developer had is flat broken into and computers tampered, another tor developer, Andrea Shepard, have had her computer she ordered via amazon "redirected" mid shipment to NSA facilities in Alexandria Virginia. TOR devs have been pressured by homeland and have told them to F*** off consistently. The there was the TORStinks ppt from the NSA that Ed Snowden releasedvshowing they cant crack TOR.
Tor? The 'dark net' who's largest nodes are run by the NSA doing traffic analysis? That Tor?
The one that brought down silkroad?
Nope wrong wrong and wrong.
Tor is has had about very few highly throttled node running on amazon cloud for a couple of weeks run by the NSA according to head TOR developer Jacob Applebaum at 30c3 about a month ago. Additionally the NSA's own documents released by Edward Snowden showed that the NSA can't break current TOR releases.
Secondly silkroad was brought down by Dread Pirate Roberts mixing his darknet identity and his clearnet identity by using the same email address and handles. Another break in the case was when a package with fake ID's was intercepted at a Canadian border check.
I've been watching a lot of old "Law & Order" episodes recently and every time a character says something pious about "constitutional rights" I can only snort with derision at what a period piece the show is now. In our time - what might be conveniently described as "The Cheney Era" - the only rights you have are those that pose no inconvenience to the government or the business interests that rent it. If it suits the government to have you killed, you will be killed - and with no messy court paperwork to bother about. If it suits Comcast to monopolize broadband access, the FCC will roll out the red carpet before them.
The Vice President actually has very little power all he gets to do is count congressional votes and act as a tie breaker in the senate, sit in on the security counsel meetings, and is on the board of the Smithsonian thats pretty much it, oh and make an ass of themselves to draw attention media attention away from the president when he has screwed the pooch. So why are you saying the Cheney ere? Would it not be more accurate to say the Bush/Obama ere?
Pretty sure "didnt consent to a warrantless search" is not cause for an arrest. I mean, they can do it, but that just gives you some juicy ammo for when it hits court.
You're right that there is a potential for abuse, but this is not what its being made out to be.
Yes but it is so easy for cops to trump up bullshit charges that hare harder to prove. For example lets say they claim you threatened them with bodily harm or were moving threateningly... then your on the ground cuffed and in the squad car before you can say fourth amendment.
If there are two residents physically present then both residents must grant consent. What this case does is allow the police to come back when the person(s) denying consent are gone and get consent to a search from the remaining parties.
This is more than one occupant being merely absent this is the first occupant was arrested because he did not consent then coming back with the implied threat of the same.
Three people in the house. Police ask to search. Person 1 says no, gets arrested for silly charge and carted off. Police return and ask again. Person 2 says no, gets arrested on silly charge and carted off. Police return and ask person three while stroking handcuffs. What to say, what to say?
I believe that the correct answer is "lawyer" fallowed closely by "I do not consent to a search as per my 4th amendment rights against unreasonable search. If the arrest you you sue the shit out of them.
Actually, the GPL restricts you from making use of, say, a library in your software. If you link against the libreadline headers, then your software must be GPL. If you don't distribute readline and people have to get it themselves, your software still must be GPL.
I have often considered writing a readline-bsd header that only serves as a linkage target, allowing you to link to non-readline and then use readline.
A library shim... could work. Would probably eat extra cycles but unless speed is a issue that would not be to big of a problem otherwise. Though I wonder at the situation the made this a necessity I mean why was the library was not licensed with the LGPL which is meant for libraries to prevent this being a issue while still protecting the free/open source nature of said code.
Isn't it time to let this go? Fair or not, 'Linux' has won even if only because it's a more marketable name. Isn't encouraging community infighting over this distracting from many far more important free software issues?
I would say Linux is the better name because Linux is now and probably has always been more than just GNU/Linux, there is BusyBox/Linux, Dalvik/Linux (aka Android), Dis (plan9 like vm)/Linux (aka Inferno), and more. So referring to the whole ecosystem as Linux is the most apt decryption. Besides there is already a GNU operating system, it happens to be called Hurd. Hurd also just happens to be unstable and nearly unusable. I would probably say though we have all been to tribal in our community, as many of use use other Kernels some use one of the BSD's, some use OpenSolaris derivatives, Others use Darwin (the open source core of OSX also known as the bastard child of Freebsd, the Mach microkernel, and NeXTSTEP). There are even some Minix users out there still. I would say that we should instead look at it as the Open Source Unix/POSIX ecosystem. Although that would probably sound even worse than liGNUx that Stallman recomended as an alternative to GNU/Linux.
Ah so that is why this thread gained so many trolls so fast. 4chan does have a weird way of showing the affection for tech/web figures. I remember a talk moot gave about the odd way 4chan denizens showed him their appreciation towards him.
1. You could charge for labor eg; software by commission. 2. You could, depending on the audience of you codes technical abilities, charge for compiled binaries. 3. You could go the java route and put ads in the installer. 4. Your complied binaries could come with ads in the program if it a mobile app it seems to have become an accepted practice:-\ 5. You could duel license the code, haveing proprietary branch and a open branch. 6. Modify it to be a cloud service? Not knowing what field your software is for this may or may not work. 7. if a game or such like you could have in app purchases. 8. kickstarter to fund development.
Thats 8 ways I thought up in a few minutes their are probably more.
I do the exact same thing free with what is built into the iphone. imessage is 100% free except for the data charge. Mind blowing that android has not done the same thing.
With google voice you can do it on android and pc too.
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Attacks are, by definition, abusive.
So would marshal arts and self defense training then by definition be abusive? If so I sure as hell hope Child Protective Services don't find out or a whole hell of a lot of dojo masters are going to jail for child abuse.
"Our hardware, our rules"?
So, just because a company pays the water bill and thus owns the water, does that mean they can lace the taps in the ladies' bathroom with contraceptives?
If the employees has signed a legally valid contract and medical waiver after being informed maybe...
Just because I own my hi-fi, does that mean I may put the speakers on the balcony, point them at the neighbours, and play it at top volume at midnight?
if you had a magical sound dampening field sure but once those soundwaves cross you property line and they enter public property or other people private property you are violating noise ordnances then no.
Just because I own a baseball bat, that means I can hit you in the head with it?
No as I have not given you permission to hit my head and you do not own my head.
Since when has the rule "the person who owns an object has total say of any actions performed by or in relation to it" ever applied to any part of society?
Ever since we had the concept of personal property? As long as you are not doing anything with it to some other person without their permission or to some other persons property, you should be able to do what ever the hell you want with it.
If you agree to a bad policy that is your problem. Don't have another job option then don't use equipment/network. There is plenty of free WIFI out there if you don't have have internet at home. Don't trust the free WIFI then use tor. You have options. The only reason I use the WIFI at work (with my personal device at that) is because I admin the network and know they have no such policy and no such logging. If they were to decide to do so I would simply comply with the policy and only use the internet for what I don't care if they see. So what if they saw my slashdot login? I only use that password for who-gives-a-shit sites with no secret information. I would not use it for banking or health-care (without a ssh proxy to my home network if such a proxying were permitted) period.
In the US, this is totally legal, although there may be disclosure requirements (I'm not sure). The "my system, my rules" argument wins. My workplace does this, and they informed me that they do this when I was hired.
That's ridiculous, there must be some limits. The argument "my system, my rules" will not work if you were to whip your employees like slaves, so why should it hold for taking away other rights? Signing them away is a nice try, but you can't sign away all your rights.
It would be more like You selling their information to identity theives to recoup cost from them stealing you company car at lunch and taking it for a unathorised joy ride slamming it into a phone-post and setting it on fire. Neither party is innocent they are both being dicks. the question is whom is the bigger dick (and not in the good way)
Likewise, why are you assuming that the employer is dishonest and stealing employee info? As has been pointed out, there is a legitimate reason for doing this (scanning and blocking malware being distributed over https, like in email).
To reach the conclusion that the employer is doing this because they think the employees are dishonest, you must first arrive at the conclusion that the employer is dishonest. Which seems like a double standard. Either assume they're both honest until proven otherwise, or assume they're both dishonest. Why is one presumed innocent until prove otherwise, while the other is presumed guilty until proven otherwise?
I think it is best for both parties to assume the other is a hostle third party when it comes to personal privacy and company security. Employers should use ssl striping or other MITMA on their own equipment to secure it, as long as they inform the users of it AND/OR ban the private use of company equipment. Likewise Users should assume a hostile environment and either use their own device + vpn, ssh tunnel, tor, or other secured proxying method or simple not do do sensitive internet activities on company time/property. Now ideally your employer would have a seprate vlan and wireless provided to their emploies for personal use so that company equipments security and network integrity is not damaged by dumb-asses downloading Fr33!!!!_-_Game_***PR0N***.swf.exe.apk on their tablet at lunch and executing it._
It seems like every time you turn around, another bitcoin exchange is hacked or some startup social network for dogs is secretly uploading all your phone contacts over clear text or a retailer is storing unencrypted cc numbers and passwords. Some of the worst offenders are brogrammers. Is there anything we can do?
Or if we were to have a OpenBSD android what security/privacy measures would be made/changed to secure the platform?
Has the NSA scandal changed the status of the OpenBSD project?
posting to undo bad mod, but also interested what effects Snowden leaks specifically the revelations of backdoored hardware and bugged hardware have had on OpenBSD, Is there anything that can be done in software for untrusted hardware?
I got portal 1 for free from valve because I was a part of its Linux beta program.
To be fair, it IS off topic.
but not worth wasting a mod point on
Vaccines have had numerous concerns over many decades, so the latest batch does not make people sinister it makes them cynical and skeptical. Start here.
As much as vaccines help the majority of people, other people have been crippled and killed by the same vaccines. The latest MMR vaccine is linked to a couple hundred (237 last I looked) of narcolepsy, the latest polio vaccine is linked to numerous deaths and various levels of paralysis. Sometimes these are blamed on contamination in the vaccine, and other times we have no explanation.
If you are a parent and know about the potential for harm, you may not wish to give your kid a vaccine. Especially for something generally not life threatening like chicken pox.
Why not educate people to both sides of the argument and let them make an educated choice?
There is middle ground on normally nonlife threatening diseases like chickenpox and the average flu bug, the problem is dumbasses that won't vaccs their kids against anything for fear they might be one of the couple hundred out of billions that would have a reaction then insted their kid get a disease and spread it to the immunocompromised that genuinely cannot get vaccinated. They are endangering their children and society over a risk lower than the odds of you getting hit by car tomorrow on the way to drop them at school yet they do drive their children.
Both these bugs are caused by people using 'goto' like morons. Using 'goto' should start throwing compile-time errors to start forcing people off this relic of flow control.
Problem there is that it would break very old programs that just need recompiled and thus require a rewrite. A better way would be to have it disabled in the compiler by default so you have to enable a flag to override it so you are aware that it is there.
"Open Source Software is more secure because the code can be reviewed."
That's why this bug has existed since 2005. gg, guys. Thumbs up.
What do you mean? The many eyes found said bug that is why we are reading about it if thay had not it would still be sitting there undiscovered. Ever wonder how many bug go completely unnoticed in proprietary software because no one actually reads said code? Like for example a Windows bug affecting all 32 bit Windows OS's for 17 years: http://www.computerworld.com/s....
First, and yet another OSS-releated security risk :(
At least they are rare enough that it is news worthy. As compared to Windows where new exploits hardly ever get any attention because they are so frilling common as to be passé.
How did you reach this conclusion? The guy has been a lying "me-too" since at least 14. Anyone who grew up with him knows how full of shit he is. He also is just a fucking cheerleader, can't code for shit. Look at his commits.
Looks like we got ourselves a JTRIG attack here. What is JTRIG?
As reported on earlier on slashdot;
Advocatus Diaboli writes with this excerpt from an article by Glenn Greenwald on the pervasiveness of shills poisoning web forums: "One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It's time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents.. ... Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the Internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: 'false flag operations' (posting material to the Internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting 'negative information' on various forums." I guess Cryptome was right. Check out the the training materials provided to future forum spies.
I Smell A Shill.
No Navy intelligence wrote the original tor software they then open sourced it and gave it to the community. It is now run by the TOR project most of the members of which are regularly harassed and spied on by the US government. Jaccob Applebaum head developer had is flat broken into and computers tampered, another tor developer, Andrea Shepard, have had her computer she ordered via amazon "redirected" mid shipment to NSA facilities in Alexandria Virginia. TOR devs have been pressured by homeland and have told them to F*** off consistently. The there was the TORStinks ppt from the NSA that Ed Snowden releasedvshowing they cant crack TOR.
Tor? The 'dark net' who's largest nodes are run by the NSA doing traffic analysis? That Tor?
The one that brought down silkroad?
Nope wrong wrong and wrong.
Tor is has had about very few highly throttled node running on amazon cloud for a couple of weeks run by the NSA according to head TOR developer Jacob Applebaum at 30c3 about a month ago. Additionally the NSA's own documents released by Edward Snowden showed that the NSA can't break current TOR releases.
Secondly silkroad was brought down by Dread Pirate Roberts mixing his darknet identity and his clearnet identity by using the same email address and handles. Another break in the case was when a package with fake ID's was intercepted at a Canadian border check.
I've been watching a lot of old "Law & Order" episodes recently and every time a character says something pious about "constitutional rights" I can only snort with derision at what a period piece the show is now. In our time - what might be conveniently described as "The Cheney Era" - the only rights you have are those that pose no inconvenience to the government or the business interests that rent it. If it suits the government to have you killed, you will be killed - and with no messy court paperwork to bother about. If it suits Comcast to monopolize broadband access, the FCC will roll out the red carpet before them.
The Vice President actually has very little power all he gets to do is count congressional votes and act as a tie breaker in the senate, sit in on the security counsel meetings, and is on the board of the Smithsonian thats pretty much it, oh and make an ass of themselves to draw attention media attention away from the president when he has screwed the pooch. So why are you saying the Cheney ere? Would it not be more accurate to say the Bush/Obama ere?
Pretty sure "didnt consent to a warrantless search" is not cause for an arrest. I mean, they can do it, but that just gives you some juicy ammo for when it hits court.
You're right that there is a potential for abuse, but this is not what its being made out to be.
Yes but it is so easy for cops to trump up bullshit charges that hare harder to prove. For example lets say they claim you threatened them with bodily harm or were moving threateningly... then your on the ground cuffed and in the squad car before you can say fourth amendment.
No.
If there are two residents physically present then both residents must grant consent. What this case does is allow the police to come back when the person(s) denying consent are gone and get consent to a search from the remaining parties.
This is more than one occupant being merely absent this is the first occupant was arrested because he did not consent then coming back with the implied threat of the same.
Three people in the house. Police ask to search. Person 1 says no, gets arrested for silly charge and carted off. Police return and ask again. Person 2 says no, gets arrested on silly charge and carted off. Police return and ask person three while stroking handcuffs. What to say, what to say?
I believe that the correct answer is "lawyer" fallowed closely by "I do not consent to a search as per my 4th amendment rights against unreasonable search. If the arrest you you sue the shit out of them.
Actually, the GPL restricts you from making use of, say, a library in your software. If you link against the libreadline headers, then your software must be GPL. If you don't distribute readline and people have to get it themselves, your software still must be GPL.
I have often considered writing a readline-bsd header that only serves as a linkage target, allowing you to link to non-readline and then use readline.
A library shim... could work. Would probably eat extra cycles but unless speed is a issue that would not be to big of a problem otherwise.
Though I wonder at the situation the made this a necessity I mean why was the library was not licensed with the LGPL which is meant for libraries to prevent this being a issue while still protecting the free/open source nature of said code.
Isn't it time to let this go? Fair or not, 'Linux' has won even if only because it's a more marketable name. Isn't encouraging community infighting over this distracting from many far more important free software issues?
I would say Linux is the better name because Linux is now and probably has always been more than just GNU/Linux, there is BusyBox/Linux, Dalvik/Linux (aka Android), Dis (plan9 like vm)/Linux (aka Inferno), and more. So referring to the whole ecosystem as Linux is the most apt decryption. Besides there is already a GNU operating system, it happens to be called Hurd. Hurd also just happens to be unstable and nearly unusable. I would probably say though we have all been to tribal in our community, as many of use use other Kernels some use one of the BSD's, some use OpenSolaris derivatives, Others use Darwin (the open source core of OSX also known as the bastard child of Freebsd, the Mach microkernel, and NeXTSTEP). There are even some Minix users out there still. I would say that we should instead look at it as the Open Source Unix/POSIX ecosystem. Although that would probably sound even worse than liGNUx that Stallman recomended as an alternative to GNU/Linux.
Ah so that is why this thread gained so many trolls so fast. 4chan does have a weird way of showing the affection for tech/web figures. I remember a talk moot gave about the odd way 4chan denizens showed him their appreciation towards him.
Well the ideas that came to mind for me is that,
1. You could charge for labor eg; software by commission. :-\
2. You could, depending on the audience of you codes technical abilities, charge for compiled binaries.
3. You could go the java route and put ads in the installer.
4. Your complied binaries could come with ads in the program if it a mobile app it seems to have become an accepted practice
5. You could duel license the code, haveing proprietary branch and a open branch.
6. Modify it to be a cloud service? Not knowing what field your software is for this may or may not work.
7. if a game or such like you could have in app purchases.
8. kickstarter to fund development.
Thats 8 ways I thought up in a few minutes their are probably more.
What are your thoughts on the gpl'ing of plan9 recently? What affect do you think this could have the gnu/linux ecosystem?
I do the exact same thing free with what is built into the iphone. imessage is 100% free except for the data charge. Mind blowing that android has not done the same thing.
With google voice you can do it on android and pc too.