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If you get the educational pricing, then scrap both the Superdrive and Internal Modem the price is only $1,593. That's very reasonable (what I paid for my Quicksilver 2002 over a year ago).
Maybe I'm missing something here. I have an old Quadra 700 from 1991 with built-in Ethernet. It has OpenBSD installed on it now, but it can do regular TCP/IP well enough with MacOS 7.5.
Admittedly I've never dealt with MacOS before 7.5, but I never had any problems, and 7.5 has been out since '95 or so. My network consists of a couple OS X machines, one machine running Mac OS 8.1, 2 Linux boxes, a BSD box, and one Windows PC. Never had problems integrating Macs.
10 years ago I was fiddling with autoexec.bat and config.sys files so I could play some game I just bought from Babbage's. Using your computer as an entrainment device, aside from gaming never went beyond some.mod or.wav file, and short video clips -- usually as filler in some "multimedia' game.
Things have gotten bigger, but not necessarily better. Now instead of well-thought out games, there's a ton of 3d animation and filler. Instead of the fun conversations on IRC and BBS's, there's spam filled usenet and E-Mail.
Ease of use hasn't drastically occurred -- because face it, nerds (who develop software) always turned their noses up at "the easy way" of doing things. Which is why the kids with Macs and Amigas got made fun of. The real thing the nerds were hating in the GUI was the inability to get under the hood.
10 years ago I couldn't have imagined downloading full music files and movies so easily, or creating your own with a few hundred dollars worth of equipment. Even getting your own home network going is insanely cheap nowadays.
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm pretty happy with how things have gone. What I didn't anticipate was how much Microsoft would totally dominate, and ruin computing. If I could have seen that then, maybe I would have bought a Mac in 1993, not another PC. Apple has flaws, but I just can't see them contaminating the Internet the same way Windows users and Microsoft has.
I'm happy to see the open source movement making waves, and 10 years ago I wouldn't have imagined a free OS could provide so many options. Nowadays your average cable modem provides the kind of bandwidth many universities had . . . I never would've imagined that 10 years ago.
Of course, the things I was doing in 1993 (using IRC to chat, looking at web pages, sending E-Mails), I'm still doing now. Except, with IE's non-compliance to standards and Windows viruses, it's actually worse than it was 10 years ago.
Saying all that, I love what Linux and BSDs offer for free alternatives -- a few of my computers are running Linux right now. As far as being completely satisfied though, OS X is exactly what I wanted in a computer 10 years ago. It's easy enough to deal with, stable, and I can get tinker with UNIX whenever I need to. I really became disinterested in computers from 95-98 or so; OS X is what made me buy a few programming books and get back into things though.
What sucks in 2003 is Microsoft and people not following standards on the web. DRM applies here too. A lot of really great things have happened in 10 years, what's held them back is MS dominance.
It's not just 20 year olds. It's been a pretty regular thing for me since '98-99 or so to install emulators on my friends' children's computers. The kids are anywhere from 5-10 years old and still enjoy things like Galaga, Super Mario, Shinobi, Out Run, etc.
Good games are just good games. Though much newer than the ones you're speaking of, I had some kids totally hooked on the Metal Slug rom. At least it shows them that a 2D game be ten-times as more fun than the latest stuff . . .
Sorry but how many times a month do you have to reinstall W95 on your 486/75?
In the two or three years that I had it? Probably only a few times. The point really is though, something like this could save your ass in a bind. Goofy projects like this guy's only seem like a waste of time until the day you need something just like it.
Actually, I'm thinking of following his instructions and making a very minimal Windows 95 install for VirtualPC. It probably would boot up very fast and not be too bloated.
You should have used MS-DOS's interlnk and interserv
Yeah, except I didn't have an extra serial cable or laplink cable, nor did I have a IDE 3.5->2.5 converter. I also didn't have any PCs running Winodws around, though I'm sure your solution would be doable between Linux > DOS somehow.
Besides, the transfer rate and time involved probably would've been just as bad doing it your way.
Can someone please explain why we would want to boot a 5MB version of an operating system that came out over 8 years ago?
Well, the only way I could install Windows 95 on my old 486/75 laptop was by using a parallel zip drive with DOS drivers, since it had no CD ROM. I'd copy Windows 95 (or Windows 98) to a 100mb zip disk and install it from there. The whole process was really time consuming and something like this would've come in real handy.
What I'm getting at here is that there isn't money in my budget to go see a movie that costs $8 and leaves me at the end with nothing more than break-room gossip. There is however room in my budget for what is free. If there were no sources available for me to get a movie from for free, I'm still not coughing up the 8 bucks to see it in a theater, though, and I believe that's where the MPAA's reasoning has gone awry.
The MPAA seems to believe that for every time a movie is downloaded off the internet, there is at least one person not paying the $8 that they would otherwise pay if the movie were not available for download; but this is just not the case. If the movie isn't available for download, it doesn't get downloaded; however if people don't have room in their budget for an $8 movie, they still won't spend the money on the movie even if they can't get it for free.
Great post . . . and in fact you can apply the argument to all forms of 'piracy,' at least for me. Someone like my mother probably hasn't bought any music since she was in her early 20's (she's in her 50's now); she's quite content listening to whatever comes on the radio. It's not like Kazaa made her stop buying music, she was never a potential consumer in the first place, although she might dl an mp3 or two now. If anything, Kazaa and other p2p programs get people hooked on a bad copy of a song/movie, and prompts them to buy the DVD or CD.
Out of all the mp3s I've dl'ed, none of them would've been worth me investing even $1 into if Kazaa didn't exist. Same deal with software -- I'm quite sure if Photoshop was unobtainable by the average home user on IRC, Gimp would become 10x's as popular, or if not gimp, a program that has a low cost, like PaintShop Pro. Most of the people who warez something like PS don't need all of its features anyway . ..
When you find a good product you believe in you don't have a problem spending on it -- which is why I bought 2 Macs within the past year and a half, along with legal software. That would've never happened when I was running Windows. I supported Linux similarly, buying a couple distros in the box instead of dl'ing them. Bottom line is what everyone has repeated a thousand times here and on other forums: make quality, innovative products, and people will pay for them. Make the same boring shit over and over, and people won't feel guilty warezing it.
. . . only provoked me to try and warez 50 movies off of IRC and Kazaa before 4 AM tonight. They need to learn from DARE that shitty PR campaigns usually just make people more curious.
Oh, and who wants to take bets on the number of hours before this gets DOS'ed or defaced?
Actually, inserting the CD at home isn't nearly as inconvenient as wanting to play a game on your laptop, and needing to lug 3 or 4 CDs around with you.
On that note, anyone have a working no CD crack for the Mac version of THPS3, or UT2003? (Yes I paid for them).
Just curious, when I bought my iBook two weeks ago the guy at CompUSA tried to talk me into buying my airport and memory there saying installing it myself voided the warranty. I'm assuming what he really meant was, if I install both and break it, then the warranty doesn't cover the damages.
Also, I'm thinking about getting Appelcare, but noticed you said all non-abusive repairs for iBooks are $280? Retail for Applecare is $250 -- so assuming I had one major malfunction while owning it, a $280 flat rate to fix it might not bother me that much.
For one thing, if you run your own mail server you KNOW whether or not your message was delivered. Another thing is that it will be delivered instantly, not 2 or 3 minutes after it was sent, like with some ISP's mail servers.
Except, I didn't think the Master System covers were that bad. Their worst ones though were the card games, which never had a graphic at all, just a picture of a hand holding the card.
And with OS X, why would you want Linux in the first place?
Well, those with slower Macs might prefer Linux on their machine. A Linux developer might like working on an Mac notebook, since it's lightweight and not a power hog. Options are always good . .
...they both begin with "G." And as for VPC..yeah, it runs games great. And native support for games on Mac sucks. And I like macs.
I have a Powermac g4 800mhz with 1gb of ram and a Ti Geforce. Comparing it to my g3 800mhz iBook with 640mb of ram, the differences aren't groundbreaking.
The g3 could easily be my main machine. It's by no means slow . . .
There's not many apps for Windows that don't have equal, or better Mac versions. For those apps that simply need Windows, there's always VirtualPC. Macs aren't gaming machines, but they're doingalright for me.
Then again, if you're on/. you probably already have more than one computer, including an x86 you can play games on.
No, but it will dual-boot Linux, and OS X. And with OS X, why would you want Winodws in the first place? Not to mention Windows, and any other x86 OS will run fine in VPC.
In addition to Linux, I believe there's OepnBSD and NetBSD PPC releases, along with Mac OS 9. Diversity isn't really an issue here.
To the original poster, why wait for a G5? My 800mhz G3 iBook isn't slow by any means; in many respects it's similar to my PowerMac G4.
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If you get the educational pricing, then scrap both the Superdrive and Internal Modem the price is only $1,593. That's very reasonable (what I paid for my Quicksilver 2002 over a year ago).
you can not surf the internet with lcIIIs, much less do . . .
Yes you can, actually. Up until a few years ago a 68k Mac could handle basic internet tasks quite well.
Maybe I'm missing something here. I have an old Quadra 700 from 1991 with built-in Ethernet. It has OpenBSD installed on it now, but it can do regular TCP/IP well enough with MacOS 7.5.
Admittedly I've never dealt with MacOS before 7.5, but I never had any problems, and 7.5 has been out since '95 or so. My network consists of a couple OS X machines, one machine running Mac OS 8.1, 2 Linux boxes, a BSD box, and one Windows PC. Never had problems integrating Macs.
10 years ago I was fiddling with autoexec.bat and config.sys files so I could play some game I just bought from Babbage's. Using your computer as an entrainment device, aside from gaming never went beyond some .mod or .wav file, and short video clips -- usually as filler in some "multimedia' game.
Things have gotten bigger, but not necessarily better. Now instead of well-thought out games, there's a ton of 3d animation and filler. Instead of the fun conversations on IRC and BBS's, there's spam filled usenet and E-Mail.
Ease of use hasn't drastically occurred -- because face it, nerds (who develop software) always turned their noses up at "the easy way" of doing things. Which is why the kids with Macs and Amigas got made fun of. The real thing the nerds were hating in the GUI was the inability to get under the hood.
10 years ago I couldn't have imagined downloading full music files and movies so easily, or creating your own with a few hundred dollars worth of equipment. Even getting your own home network going is insanely cheap nowadays.
I don't know about everyone else, but I'm pretty happy with how things have gone. What I didn't anticipate was how much Microsoft would totally dominate, and ruin computing. If I could have seen that then, maybe I would have bought a Mac in 1993, not another PC. Apple has flaws, but I just can't see them contaminating the Internet the same way Windows users and Microsoft has.
I'm happy to see the open source movement making waves, and 10 years ago I wouldn't have imagined a free OS could provide so many options. Nowadays your average cable modem provides the kind of bandwidth many universities had . . . I never would've imagined that 10 years ago.
Of course, the things I was doing in 1993 (using IRC to chat, looking at web pages, sending E-Mails), I'm still doing now. Except, with IE's non-compliance to standards and Windows viruses, it's actually worse than it was 10 years ago.
Saying all that, I love what Linux and BSDs offer for free alternatives -- a few of my computers are running Linux right now. As far as being completely satisfied though, OS X is exactly what I wanted in a computer 10 years ago. It's easy enough to deal with, stable, and I can get tinker with UNIX whenever I need to. I really became disinterested in computers from 95-98 or so; OS X is what made me buy a few programming books and get back into things though.
What sucks in 2003 is Microsoft and people not following standards on the web. DRM applies here too. A lot of really great things have happened in 10 years, what's held them back is MS dominance.
Why was this modded down?
It's not just 20 year olds. It's been a pretty regular thing for me since '98-99 or so to install emulators on my friends' children's computers. The kids are anywhere from 5-10 years old and still enjoy things like Galaga, Super Mario, Shinobi, Out Run, etc.
Good games are just good games. Though much newer than the ones you're speaking of, I had some kids totally hooked on the Metal Slug rom. At least it shows them that a 2D game be ten-times as more fun than the latest stuff . . .
Sorry but how many times a month do you have to reinstall W95 on your 486/75?
In the two or three years that I had it? Probably only a few times. The point really is though, something like this could save your ass in a bind. Goofy projects like this guy's only seem like a waste of time until the day you need something just like it.
Actually, I'm thinking of following his instructions and making a very minimal Windows 95 install for VirtualPC. It probably would boot up very fast and not be too bloated.
You should have used MS-DOS's interlnk and interserv
Yeah, except I didn't have an extra serial cable or laplink cable, nor did I have a IDE 3.5->2.5 converter. I also didn't have any PCs running Winodws around, though I'm sure your solution would be doable between Linux > DOS somehow.
Besides, the transfer rate and time involved probably would've been just as bad doing it your way.
Can someone please explain why we would want to boot a 5MB version of an operating system that came out over 8 years ago?
Well, the only way I could install Windows 95 on my old 486/75 laptop was by using a parallel zip drive with DOS drivers, since it had no CD ROM. I'd copy Windows 95 (or Windows 98) to a 100mb zip disk and install it from there. The whole process was really time consuming and something like this would've come in real handy.
Thankfully, I don't have that laptop anymore.
What I'm getting at here is that there isn't money in my budget to go see a movie that costs $8 and leaves me at the end with nothing more than break-room gossip. There is however room in my budget for what is free. If there were no sources available for me to get a movie from for free, I'm still not coughing up the 8 bucks to see it in a theater, though, and I believe that's where the MPAA's reasoning has gone awry.
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The MPAA seems to believe that for every time a movie is downloaded off the internet, there is at least one person not paying the $8 that they would otherwise pay if the movie were not available for download; but this is just not the case. If the movie isn't available for download, it doesn't get downloaded; however if people don't have room in their budget for an $8 movie, they still won't spend the money on the movie even if they can't get it for free.
Great post . . . and in fact you can apply the argument to all forms of 'piracy,' at least for me. Someone like my mother probably hasn't bought any music since she was in her early 20's (she's in her 50's now); she's quite content listening to whatever comes on the radio. It's not like Kazaa made her stop buying music, she was never a potential consumer in the first place, although she might dl an mp3 or two now. If anything, Kazaa and other p2p programs get people hooked on a bad copy of a song/movie, and prompts them to buy the DVD or CD.
Out of all the mp3s I've dl'ed, none of them would've been worth me investing even $1 into if Kazaa didn't exist. Same deal with software -- I'm quite sure if Photoshop was unobtainable by the average home user on IRC, Gimp would become 10x's as popular, or if not gimp, a program that has a low cost, like PaintShop Pro. Most of the people who warez something like PS don't need all of its features anyway . .
When you find a good product you believe in you don't have a problem spending on it -- which is why I bought 2 Macs within the past year and a half, along with legal software. That would've never happened when I was running Windows. I supported Linux similarly, buying a couple distros in the box instead of dl'ing them. Bottom line is what everyone has repeated a thousand times here and on other forums: make quality, innovative products, and people will pay for them. Make the same boring shit over and over, and people won't feel guilty warezing it.
. . . only provoked me to try and warez 50 movies off of IRC and Kazaa before 4 AM tonight. They need to learn from DARE that shitty PR campaigns usually just make people more curious.
Oh, and who wants to take bets on the number of hours before this gets DOS'ed or defaced?
Actually, inserting the CD at home isn't nearly as inconvenient as wanting to play a game on your laptop, and needing to lug 3 or 4 CDs around with you.
On that note, anyone have a working no CD crack for the Mac version of THPS3, or UT2003? (Yes I paid for them).
Just curious, when I bought my iBook two weeks ago the guy at CompUSA tried to talk me into buying my airport and memory there saying installing it myself voided the warranty. I'm assuming what he really meant was, if I install both and break it, then the warranty doesn't cover the damages.
Also, I'm thinking about getting Appelcare, but noticed you said all non-abusive repairs for iBooks are $280? Retail for Applecare is $250 -- so assuming I had one major malfunction while owning it, a $280 flat rate to fix it might not bother me that much.
Dell won't either. My friend's daughter spilt tea on his Dell's keyboard and they charged him for a new one.
Well, you can make an alias from your UNIX mailbox, to Mail App's. Mail App uses normal UNIX boxes as far as I know.
For one thing, if you run your own mail server you KNOW whether or not your message was delivered. Another thing is that it will be delivered instantly, not 2 or 3 minutes after it was sent, like with some ISP's mail servers.
My thoughts exactly . . .
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I quit buying music a couple of years before the p2p craze. Guess what? If p2p goes away today I still won't be buying music .
p2p is the newer version of 'taping off the radio.' Of the 2000 mp3 I have in my iTunes library most came from friends or IRC anyway . . .
Apple restricts their service to 5%~ of all computerdom, and it's a 'cool service'.
Well, iTunes for Windows is due out any day now, and without the draconian Microsoft DRM.
So, yeah . . . it still is a cool service.
Except, I didn't think the Master System covers were that bad. Their worst ones though were the card games, which never had a graphic at all, just a picture of a hand holding the card.
And with OS X, why would you want Linux in the first place?
Well, those with slower Macs might prefer Linux on their machine. A Linux developer might like working on an Mac notebook, since it's lightweight and not a power hog. Options are always good . .
...they both begin with "G." And as for VPC..yeah, it runs games great. And native support for games on Mac sucks. And I like macs.
I have a Powermac g4 800mhz with 1gb of ram and a Ti Geforce. Comparing it to my g3 800mhz iBook with 640mb of ram, the differences aren't groundbreaking.
The g3 could easily be my main machine. It's by no means slow . . .
There's not many apps for Windows that don't have equal, or better Mac versions. For those apps that simply need Windows, there's always VirtualPC. Macs aren't gaming machines, but they're doing alright for me.
/. you probably already have more than one computer, including an x86 you can play games on.
Then again, if you're on
The only Windows XP I know about is the "Devilsown" edition. Is this "home" thing some new release I need to get from IRC?
No, but it will dual-boot Linux, and OS X. And with OS X, why would you want Winodws in the first place? Not to mention Windows, and any other x86 OS will run fine in VPC.
In addition to Linux, I believe there's OepnBSD and NetBSD PPC releases, along with Mac OS 9. Diversity isn't really an issue here.
To the original poster, why wait for a G5? My 800mhz G3 iBook isn't slow by any means; in many respects it's similar to my PowerMac G4.
. . . but only if I can fight against America.
Otherwise it's kind of boring.