so if we round up to 1PB of tape, and let's assume LTO2, with 320GB/tape (about the numbers I'm seeing for binary data), that's roughly 3200 tape slots + 260/week for offsite copies. Call it 3500 slots.
Since I know the storagetek line of tape backup products, I'll talk about them...
you could start with 3 L1400 libraries with 10 drives each, and it would take you less than 24hrs/week to back up all that. And duplicating the tapes for the offsites another 24-48.
the libraries and drives would cost you near $500000, the tapes (assuming an 8 week offsite rotation, and buying an extra 10% for the partially used tapes that will always be present) would cost you about $340000.
now I know Veritas netbackup is ungodly expensive, but I have the prices for it in my head, so I'll quote that too...
for 30 drives handling this much data, I'd probably put in 6 servers. ($10K each) Veritas licenses drives ($3k each) for a software total of $150K.
Throw in some fibre switches to mesh it all together, the cost for the servers, (IBM 345s with 2 fibre cards and a couple of 146G scsi drives each: about $50K) and the total ends up being about a million bucks. ($1.04M)
Go with something like Tivoli Storage Manager and that 150K software cost drops to more like $15K (they don't license on a per drive basis)
want to build an enterprise level backup solution... there you go.
I believe that if people actually had a reason to take active interest in the way the government works, they wouldn't be so inclined to take some commercial's word for "facts", or wouldn't be mindlessly following the crowd (on either side of the fence) but would be more likely to understand the way that the system works (think about all the people that screamed about how unconstitutional the electoral system was after the 2000 election even though it's been that way for longer than they were alive) and do the research nessecary to know the issues.
Actually being a paid employee of that government may be the only way to motivate some people to take the interest mentioned above. Voting, though actually an active part of the government process, isn't enough to motivte most people.
NOTE: these bills say military or other civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security. NOT just military service.
I knew people wouldn't read the links very closely, so I brought out one relavent point in a "NOTE:"
I think serving a term of civil service would decrease the cattle mentality that is so prevalent today. I wouldn't care if it meant someone worked in a political campaign for a year, or took a job as a policeman, or joined the military, or worked in a city office, or picked up trash in city parks or whatever the civil service is. "Civilian service" would have to be defined in the case of this bill, but were I given the chance, I'd vote for it.
oddly enough (though I can't speak directly about DC's laws) many gun control laws have specific exclusions for collectors pieces. (which the revolver in question could certainly be classified as.
Even stranger to some is that gun control doesn't reduce crime like some think it will. Compare violent crime rates in DC (which has very strict gun control as noted above) with those in any state with a concealed handgun law. I'd actually be willing to bet that DC has more violent crime than any state without such strict gun control.
so who thinks these bills are a good idea? I'm for it. Perhaps it reminds some of Starship Troopers, but I think a term of civil service would help not only with homeland defense, but would give people more of an idea of how the government actually works. Joe college freshman has no clue beyond his AP govt class. (which didn't teach him anything but how things are supposed to work)
NOTE: these bills say military or other civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security. NOT just military service.
so is there anyone out there who actually thinks your email to me is actually private and won't be read by an admin of a server that queues it for delivery somewhere along the way??
it's email. there should not be any real expectation of privacy. deal with it.
now personal preference I can understand and respect. Makes more sense too.
Some folks might like to take the train, connect to wireless and get some work done in the morning, hop a cab to the office, eat lunch 2 blocks over (lunchtime stroll) hop a cab back to the train and finish up scheduling your next day on your laptop on the train ride home.
Some folks would rather drive, and there will always be those who would rather...
yes rail. I live off parmer also. Did you not read about the 5-6 stations between leander and downtown? Did it not occur to you that one of these stations will probably be closer to your house than downtown?
So what's wrong with driving to the rail system? So I'm guessing you think park and rides are stupid too right? Drive to the station, park in the lot, get on a train.
And when you get to the destination, yes, you take a taxi, or a bus, or walk. So take a cab, what's wrong with that? Maybe you take a cab from a company that uses bio-fuel since you're so bent on that...
man, you're right down there with the ranks of them.
no, a developer doesn't need to be able to install software. and they shouldn't be doing development on their workstations anyway (at least in my line, unix admin). Windows developers are a whole other animal, and their machines need to be locked down with special care... too easy to fuck them up.
and no, it's not a troll.
let the luser install software in his home directory... let them install stuff in designated local space, but don't give them admin on the box or you're screwed.
I've seen too many times where a developer does development on his workstation and then the code doesn't work in QA, and IT is called in because it's a library issue. Oh yeah, the luser says... I reinstalled my box with this cool new leet linux distro... What? no, you cna't have root... it's MY workstation!!
so backups aren't nessecary right? and what about dealing with a know-it-all "developer" who writes many gigs of data to a filesystem and fills it up and or uses multiple tapes on the backup system? You may be in a static environment, but that's you. Not all of us work for the state.
A few years back I was interviewing for a job as a usenet admin and was asked (as the first interview question), "What's usenet all about." So I considered it for a moment and replied correctly, "Porn! Well, and warez, but mostly porn." I got the job.
If they don't konw anything, and admit it, then fine. Those people don't bother me. It's the shitheads that tell me how to do my job then fuck it up and make me have to work late because all of a sudden their fuck up turns into an emergency change, and ruins my weekend.
I mean... some of them aren't monkeys, some are smart, but that's maybe one in 10. I have two users who aren't lusers, and when we told them we were taking root away on their linux boxen they said, "Fine, I don't need it anyway". That's 2 out of about 40 developers. yes, they're people, and we'll give them local space they can use, but they're lusers (the l is silent) don't ever forget that.
yeah, and when the "developer" spends three days trying to fix his workstation because his manager said he could have root on it, who gets yelled at? IT, that's who. Why are developers doing sysadmin his manager will ask... Because you told us to let him, that's why.
Damn developers.... even sysadmins who used to be developers... you don't need root, you don't need to be able to install software. All you'll do is install the crap that gums up your box, or in your (windows) case, all the spyware and bandwidth wasting crap you can find.
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the knock on your door is the fine young men from the US treasury department.
backing up 4TB is almost trivial, I handle almost 5 now. The more interesting case would be the full 67.2 TB
ok, so if you want 12 weeks of retention, and do nightly incrementals and weekly fulls, 67.2 TB would require about 952TB of tape capacity.
(figure 3% daily change * 6 incrementals/week + 1 full/week * 12 weeks, so 14.16*disk=tape)
so if we round up to 1PB of tape, and let's assume LTO2, with 320GB/tape (about the numbers I'm seeing for binary data), that's roughly 3200 tape slots + 260/week for offsite copies. Call it 3500 slots.
Since I know the storagetek line of tape backup products, I'll talk about them...
you could start with 3 L1400 libraries with 10 drives each, and it would take you less than 24hrs/week to back up all that. And duplicating the tapes for the offsites another 24-48.
the libraries and drives would cost you near $500000, the tapes (assuming an 8 week offsite rotation, and buying an extra 10% for the partially used tapes that will always be present) would cost you about $340000.
now I know Veritas netbackup is ungodly expensive, but I have the prices for it in my head, so I'll quote that too...
for 30 drives handling this much data, I'd probably put in 6 servers. ($10K each) Veritas licenses drives ($3k each) for a software total of $150K.
Throw in some fibre switches to mesh it all together, the cost for the servers, (IBM 345s with 2 fibre cards and a couple of 146G scsi drives each: about $50K) and the total ends up being about a million bucks. ($1.04M)
Go with something like Tivoli Storage Manager and that 150K software cost drops to more like $15K (they don't license on a per drive basis)
want to build an enterprise level backup solution... there you go.
yeah, that's pretty much true. It was a bunch of whiney losers complaining because their candidate didn't win. Had to bitch about something.
They just decided the the electoral college was a good place to start.
I believe that if people actually had a reason to take active interest in the way the government works, they wouldn't be so inclined to take some commercial's word for "facts", or wouldn't be mindlessly following the crowd (on either side of the fence) but would be more likely to understand the way that the system works (think about all the people that screamed about how unconstitutional the electoral system was after the 2000 election even though it's been that way for longer than they were alive) and do the research nessecary to know the issues.
Actually being a paid employee of that government may be the only way to motivate some people to take the interest mentioned above. Voting, though actually an active part of the government process, isn't enough to motivte most people.
NOTE: these bills say military or other civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security. NOT just military service.
I knew people wouldn't read the links very closely, so I brought out one relavent point in a "NOTE:"
I think serving a term of civil service would decrease the cattle mentality that is so prevalent today. I wouldn't care if it meant someone worked in a political campaign for a year, or took a job as a policeman, or joined the military, or worked in a city office, or picked up trash in city parks or whatever the civil service is. "Civilian service" would have to be defined in the case of this bill, but were I given the chance, I'd vote for it.
I'd say that voting may be your civil duty, but I don't think it'd count in this case... :)
uh, yeah....
"civilian service in furtherance of the national defense"
how would that get you killed? no more than any other civilian (non-military) government job would get you killed.
oddly enough (though I can't speak directly about DC's laws) many gun control laws have specific exclusions for collectors pieces. (which the revolver in question could certainly be classified as.
Even stranger to some is that gun control doesn't reduce crime like some think it will. Compare violent crime rates in DC (which has very strict gun control as noted above) with those in any state with a concealed handgun law. I'd actually be willing to bet that DC has more violent crime than any state without such strict gun control.
And no, I don't have any references. sorry.
so who thinks these bills are a good idea? I'm for it. Perhaps it reminds some of Starship Troopers, but I think a term of civil service would help not only with homeland defense, but would give people more of an idea of how the government actually works. Joe college freshman has no clue beyond his AP govt class. (which didn't teach him anything but how things are supposed to work)
NOTE: these bills say military or other civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security. NOT just military service.
tracert?? you're a windows geek?
move along... nothing to see here....
so is there anyone out there who actually thinks your email to me is actually private and won't be read by an admin of a server that queues it for delivery somewhere along the way??
it's email. there should not be any real expectation of privacy. deal with it.
I thought fireworks had been launched with compressed gasses (air among them) for thousands of years.
Maybe the method of compression varies, but still...
now personal preference I can understand and respect. Makes more sense too.
Some folks might like to take the train, connect to wireless and get some work done in the morning, hop a cab to the office, eat lunch 2 blocks over (lunchtime stroll) hop a cab back to the train and finish up scheduling your next day on your laptop on the train ride home.
Some folks would rather drive, and there will always be those who would rather...
One of my favorite t-shirts is from Texadelphia.
"Welcome to Austin. Now eat up and go home!"
yes rail. I live off parmer also. Did you not read about the 5-6 stations between leander and downtown? Did it not occur to you that one of these stations will probably be closer to your house than downtown?
So what's wrong with driving to the rail system? So I'm guessing you think park and rides are stupid too right? Drive to the station, park in the lot, get on a train.
And when you get to the destination, yes, you take a taxi, or a bus, or walk. So take a cab, what's wrong with that? Maybe you take a cab from a company that uses bio-fuel since you're so bent on that...
if these people would just go barefoot (thus insuring proper static discharge), they wouldn't have these problems would they?
man, you're right down there with the ranks of them.
no, a developer doesn't need to be able to install software. and they shouldn't be doing development on their workstations anyway (at least in my line, unix admin). Windows developers are a whole other animal, and their machines need to be locked down with special care... too easy to fuck them up.
and no, it's not a troll.
let the luser install software in his home directory... let them install stuff in designated local space, but don't give them admin on the box or you're screwed.
I've seen too many times where a developer does development on his workstation and then the code doesn't work in QA, and IT is called in because it's a library issue. Oh yeah, the luser says... I reinstalled my box with this cool new leet linux distro... What? no, you cna't have root... it's MY workstation!!
lusers
so backups aren't nessecary right? and what about dealing with a know-it-all "developer" who writes many gigs of data to a filesystem and fills it up and or uses multiple tapes on the backup system? You may be in a static environment, but that's you. Not all of us work for the state.
man, I wish I had time to start reading ASR again... I need it. I'm fully unrecovered now.
hmmm... it appears that I at least have a good feed... Yes, I'll have to start making time to read again.
And my time costs the company a lot more money than the sys admins time.
That's right, because we're just fucking sysadmins. If you're so damn important, go to the CTO and get an exception or buy your own damn printer.
lusers....
(yes, I'm bitter)
A few years back I was interviewing for a job as a usenet admin and was asked (as the first interview question), "What's usenet all about." So I considered it for a moment and replied correctly, "Porn! Well, and warez, but mostly porn." I got the job.
If they don't konw anything, and admit it, then fine. Those people don't bother me. It's the shitheads that tell me how to do my job then fuck it up and make me have to work late because all of a sudden their fuck up turns into an emergency change, and ruins my weekend.
lusers.
pass the scotch
Said troll is also hooking several of you I'm sure.
Remember... in IT, we don't make money for you, we keep you from losing money. All we want is a percentage to spend on cool shit.
Shouldn't this be moded funny?
I mean... some of them aren't monkeys, some are smart, but that's maybe one in 10. I have two users who aren't lusers, and when we told them we were taking root away on their linux boxen they said, "Fine, I don't need it anyway".
That's 2 out of about 40 developers. yes, they're people, and we'll give them local space they can use, but they're lusers (the l is silent) don't ever forget that.
yeah, and when the "developer" spends three days trying to fix his workstation because his manager said he could have root on it, who gets yelled at? IT, that's who. Why are developers doing sysadmin his manager will ask... Because you told us to let him, that's why.
Damn developers.... even sysadmins who used to be developers... you don't need root, you don't need to be able to install software. All you'll do is install the crap that gums up your box, or in your (windows) case, all the spyware and bandwidth wasting crap you can find.
lusers.
It's official... I'm entirely unrecovered.