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New Video Game Recreates Kennedy Assassination
theodp writes "Lee Harvey Oswald-wannabes will be able to simulate the assassination of President John F. Kennedy when Traffic Games releases the $9.99 JFK Reloaded on Monday to coincide with the 41st anniversary of Kennedy's murder in Dallas. 'It is despicable,' said a spokesman for Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy, the late president's brother."
This doesn't sound like a fun game to me. I'll have to try it out anyway, but it seems kinda off. I can gun down a million monsters in most enjoyable FPS games. How is putting four bullets in JFK going to bring me *any* satisfaction? Magic bullet, indeed.
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I for one am looking forward to "Chappaquiddick II: The Game"
What is wrong with it? I see re-creations all the time on the History Channel, Discovery, etc, etc, etc. Why not create a game that lets you do it? It is something that happened. Where is the upcry when you have WWII games happening??
It's either on the beat or off the beat, it's that easy.
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with Teddy Kennedy on *anything*, but this is in very poor taste.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Those bastards! AGAIN!
Seriously, tho, WTF?! Is this a way to commemorate what is reportedly (I wasn't born at the time, so I can't speak for it) a very sad day in US history?
Or is this just a thinly vieled cover for the "Shrubya" skin that will be showing up on 0-day sites shortly after release?
history relived, an interesting concept
Hopefully it isn't this company and a Kennedy impersonator.
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No joke. They probably would be hosting lan parties with free pizza and beer to celebrate it.
HA!
I was hoping for a game that would let me recreate the beers that were thrown at Ron Artest on Friday night.
I was look around on their site earlier. Seems to me that the point of this game is to get people to question the findings of the Warren commision by showing how impossible it is to pull off.
If you can, they offer a $100,000 reward. Sounds like it's bot time to me...
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Chappaquiddick on July 18, 1969.
freaking game? It sounds more like a mini-game within GTA or something.
If Mr. Kennedy thinks this one is despicable, just wait until he sees the sequel. You know, the one that simulates getting blitzed and driving off a bridge with your mistress, then leaving her to drown while you crawl home and sleep it off
While I might or might not agree with your assessment of the Slashdot editors' political opinions, we would all do well to be careful when making remarks regarding violence towards current or former presidents, as well as presidential candidates and other high-level federal officials(elected or appointed). There are laws regarding this sort of thing. If I recall, some late-night talkshow host got into some serious trouble years ago by showing a picture of W at a podium with the words "Snipers Wanted" underneath. Or, something like that. Quite a stir arose from the incident.
Campers. Bastards. The lot of them.
How can this possibly be $10 worth of entertainment? How can this be worth anything?
I get to shoot one guy, four times? If that costs $10 bucks, I owe Bungie about 180 billion dollars.
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Yes, as so was your boses behavior when he, while driving drunk, killed a woman.
But thats in the past and doesn't matter.
oh boy oh boy.. I can't wait until they make a simulation of Clinton in the Oval Office. Mission: Hit the mouth Fire torpedo one! The dress was hit, I repeat the dress was hit! Game Over
I wont be buying it untill the Bush version comes out.
Those who can, do. Those who cannot, sue.
When does the Bush version come out?
Then, send some Western vigilantes to mainland China to kill the CCP officials. Killing Hu Jintao, the leader of China, garners 1000 bonus points.
1. Make controversial game
2. Post reports of said game on a heavily trafficed nerd site
3. ?
4. Profit
5. See if you get sued by the Kennedy estate or if you go to hell first.
Press "back and to the left, back and to the left" on the controller after the Traffic Games logo for an extra shooter!
I guess. Or maybe not. But it's not like the cretins who play this game would be doing something useful otherwise.
we will end no whine before its time
My wife's (Japanese) mom still remembers hearing the 'rumors' that Kenedy was shot, not believeing them, only to find out it was true. I think one thing this game will proove is that it was imposible for one man to do the bodily damage that was done. It is funny/not how people 'accept' that other 'factors' were involved and go about their merry ways. I guess the majority of people don't mind that others control them which is why such things as 'salary' workers and 'reality' TV exist.
or drive Mary Jo home... which is less fun.
Just my two cents, of course, but with videogames like this, maybe the outrage at the lack of decency should be directed a little more broadly...
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I live in a free country. Namely, America. (Yes, I realize a significant number of /. readers do not, sometimes I wish I was among that number...) We have freedom of speech and expression the last I heard. If you think the game is in poor taste, by all means, do not buy or play it. To me, it just doesn't sound like a whole lot of fun, but I could care less about the subject matter.
Why is there not this outcry against Call of Duty, when it recreates the tragic deaths of millions during WWII? Is a historical simulation only wrong if someone FAMOUS gets hurt?
To fight the war on terror, stop being afraid.
*When the simulation starts, you are viewing Dealey Plaza through Lee Harvey Oswald's eyes: from the sixth floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository. A cross-hair marks the position of your rifle sight. Controls available to you are left-click to shoot, and right-click to zoom in/out, and mouse-movements to adjust your aim.*
so, you only get to aim and shoot. sounds quite boring, and doesn't really offer anything for the conspiracy heads either, as the conspiracy and plot is already played out with oswald as the shooter. now if you would be able to reconstruct the happenings in different ways, like placing the shooter at different locations or using multiple shooters.
world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
While I personally don't agree with the product, I certainly hope this doesn't turn into another campaign against video game violence. It may however, since that this comes out during a time when people still lived through the event in question, yet the audience is clearly a newer generation. Shameless, yes. Outlaw it? nope.
One, You realize that at least we have the freedom to create this recreation. Many countries could ban this, or even worse put you in jail.
Second, Could this be to prove that the 3 bullets didnt come from the same gun? No matter what you do, you can't recreate the assignation since the bullets come from different directions?
I thought it was proved when the home movie was finally released showing the driver getting hit, that there was a 2nd gunman.
Or is that damn Magic bullet bullshit true? Bounces around like ping pong ball. Hey, even snopes.com doesnt explain that urban legend.
Of course, the grassy knoll gunman had all the advantages ...
. .. NOT !.
Btw, I was reading yesterday about how JFK (and his brother) was exhorting CIA to assasinate Fidel Castro
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I don't like that it only allows you to be oswald though. It would be much more intresting if you could also try it in the multiple shooter scenario. if this were an option, the game would be much more likely to "undermine the theory there was some shadowy plot behind the assassination" as the developer claims its purpose is.
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I wonder what would the characters be like? What type of guns could we use etc? And would it be more like Team fortress classic? For $10, I might even give it a try, just to see the feeling of an el-cheapo game.
A competition to match Oswald strikes me as a bit morbid. But, then again I'm sure the game will sell moderately well so someone out there probably thinks its keen.
Here's the text from the webiste:
Could Lee Harvey Oswald have murdered John F. Kennedy from the sixth floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository?
A familiar component of modern police detective work is to reconstruct the crime in order to establish the most likely course of events and with JFK Reloaded, you can be part of a forensic investigation reaching back over 40 years.
By entering our prize contest, you can help to establish the facts of what happened on November 22nd, 1963 and win up to $100,000 in the process!
How it works
To win the competition, you need to most closely match the shots taken by Lee Harvey Oswald, as concluded in the Warren Commission Report on the assassination of JFK.
Accuracy of your shots (in terms of trajectory and timing) will be judged purely by the JFK Reloaded server, which is programmed to audit each shot for timing and injuries, and thereby arrive at a total score. The higher the total, the closer you are to Lee Harvey Oswalds actions and thereby the more clearly you prove that Lee Harvey Oswald had the means and the opportunity to commit the crime.
Your shots will need to have exactly the same timing and cause exactly the same damage as the shots described in the Warren Commission Report in order to score the maximum possible total.
Note that you are NOT obliged to enter the competition in fact, after you have unlocked JFK Reloaded you can have as many practice runs as you like, and you will have all the feedback and action-replay tools that are available for competition runs.
Entering is simple. After you have paid to unlock your copy of JFK Reloaded, you are given 10 Competition Entry Tokens, allowing you 10 attempts to match Lee Harvey Oswalds shots. Within JFK Reloaded, click on the Enter Competition button, and you will be asked to confirm that you want to spend one of your Tokens. Once you have confirmed this, its like pushing a coin into a slot-machine: theres no going back. Your competition-entry run will start, so concentrate, and think like a sniper!
The prize fund will grow over the three months of the competition (which closes at 12:00am (CST), February 21st, 2005) to a total of $100,000, with the fund increased every time somebody buys JFK Reloaded. There is already at least $10,000 in the prize fund!
And if you feel you could do better with just a few more chances, then dont worry: more Tokens can be purchased from within JFK Reloaded as soon as your current consignment has run out.
Research the JFK assassination
Competition rules
An anonymous coward beat you to it by 2 minutes.
1) disrespectful to the family of the victim.
Are reenactments of historical events disrespectful to those involved? How is this form of reenactment any more disrespectful than a TV show that does all the work of the recreation for you?
2) morbid
So? Plenty of historically important events can easily be called morbid. As such, recreations of said events are bound to be morbid.
3) a cheap ploy to get attention for a mediocre effort.
I don't know that I'd call it "a cheap ploy", or even "mediocre". Personally, I wish there were more "games" that let people recreate historical events for themselves, and scored them on how accurately they recreated the event. Imagine that...learning history while playing a game. Personally I like the idea of using games for something more than just passing the time.
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This is a popular theme for comments. Only what, #3 or 4 to say the same thing?
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there was a show on one of the history/scientific channels last night going over this. It was hosted by Peter Jennings. It had some current game-quality 3-d simulation of the whole thing, pointing out that yes, LHO could have fired the shots, that the shots did come from LHO's rifle, that other things alleged in the movie, "JFK", were false, etc.
Perhaps it's being put out by some of the same people, who have put it out for all to play around with.
The hear the multiplayer sequel lets your friends play as the shooters on the grassy knoll!
or playing Ski football
Also, if i reacll correctly, it was/is popular to put famous pictues heads on targets at shooting ranges, presidents and annoying actors and such. This has been stopped, as it can be deemed threating behaveyor.
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I hear Monica Lewinski is doing voice overs for "Oval Office, The Clinton Years". The object is to commit the most sex acts in eight years without getting caught. If the JFK game does well I hear they are doing a sequel about the Kenedy years.
XIII is a FPS based on a hit French illustrated series of the same name, and loosely inspired by the JFK assassination. You play the role of an amnesiac who finds out he is somehow implicated in the assassination of a US President, and must clear your name and recover your past. The twist at the end is stunning. Interestingly, the 3D is rendered to resemble cel animation, very cool.
When is it going to dawn on Americans that we are FAR from being as free as our masters tell us we are?
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This is a historical event, and while all three things are probably true for many recountings of such historical events, I'm not convinced that video games should be treated differently from any other historical account. Certainly the game is there for entertainment, which makes it different from a documentary (for example), but not so different that it isn't still (at least implicitly) a narrative about an important historical event.
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He went into the future to kill himself! Honest to God! I saw it on the Discovery channel!..
Or..
might have been space/scifi channel..
I dunno..
...Is there such a thing as large alien bug spaceships?
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Ya, They had the secrete service at Boulder High School in Boulder Colorado after a talent show where a group of students planned to use a Bob Dylan song to say they wished for the death of President Bush.
Here's the story on Reuters.
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1. Create cheap and bad game that offends everyone
2. ???
3. Profit!
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All the WWII games, as others have pointed out? Are those just as distasteful?
To paraphrase another post that shares my sentiment, "is a historical simulation only wrong if someone FAMOUS gets hurt"?
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I'm sure they would balk at a simulation of the death of William Wallace. Which by the way would be more fun than just three bullets:
"At that time (and for the next 550 years), the punishment for the crime of treason was that the convicted traitor was dragged to the place of execution, hanged by the neck (but not until he was dead), and disembowelled (or drawn) while still alive. His entrails were burned before his eyes, he was decapitated and his body was divided into four parts (or quartered).
Accordingly, this was Wallace's fate. His head was impaled on a spike and displayed at London Bridge, his right arm on the bridge at Newcastle-upon-Tyne, his left arm at Berwick, his right leg at Perth, and the left leg at Aberdeen."
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Point for historically acurate body part placement.
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So, what about all the WWII games that recreate the murders of thousands of people? Are those okay because the people being murdered aren't famous people?
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How long until we see a "ripped from the headlines" but we "are not depicting any person living or dead" from this on Law and Order?
I'll also take odds that both this video game and the Pacers/Pistons fiasco both make it on by the end of the season. Any takers?
Sorry, but no one's going to gives a shiat if Ted Kennedy is upset over this. Hell, isn't he still on the No Fly List? Does he have any clout or respect left that isn't hanging by the string of his family name anymore? Or any favors he hasn't called in because of the earlier drunken exploits he's gotten out of?
Bottom line: There have been too many recreations of the Kennedy assasination for anyone to balk over one more, however tastless and idiotic it may be.
The company sounds like a bunch of dirtballs no matter what they claim their rationale for the game to be. This could be a pure simulation or education peice of software except for 3 things:
1) A point system for shots
2) The disrespectful title of "JFK: Reloaded"
3) The blood option
Do they really need those things?
and finger lee havery oswald????
LMAO
back in the day we didnt have no old school
I'm quite an excellent sniper in video games. It would be fair to say that any SWAT team and most special forces units would be interested in e if I could shoot like that in real life. Alas one is not the other and my skill with a real gun does not equal my skill with a virual one, it doens't even come close.
However all in all it's not relivant since a desktop computer can't accurately simulate reality. However they designed this game, they are making shortcut assumptions, simplified physics, and so on. It will not be an accurate simulation of what happened.
I can't see any realistic point to this.
And this game doesn't seem to involve shovelling JFKs dead naked body into an oven, so what are you bitching about?
I notice that the makers of this game are not Americans, so perhaps they don't realize just how offensive this is to some people. Can you imagine the outrage in, let's say, India if an American made a similar game about the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi? They'd have a cow. ...uh, so to speak...
Back, and to the left.
Back, and to the left.
Ten bucks to do a dance move to a murder scene doesn't sound worth it. Pretty lame.
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Ted found his lawyer and spent the night trying to figure out how to weasel out it instead of trying to contact authorities in order to save his passenger who was still alive, but trapped in the car.
Teenagers driving recklessly and accidentally killing one of their friends is nothing new. Quite different.
This is probably not meant to achieve validity; only persuasion. This will be very convincing to some people. It won't matter if it doesn't prove anything.
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You play Manhunt and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas and Return to Castle Wolfenstein, but this simple simulation of the Kennedy assassination makes you all cold inside?
(1) I live in Canada, (2) Kennedy was shot before I was born, and (3) I agree that the developer of this game seems a bit opportunistic.
But ferchristsakes... this is an innovative game idea. The gameplay is simple, the simulation is complex. Explore a pivotal moment in history in interactive fashion. Try various actions and see how they affect the outcome. Decide for yourself whether the "generally accepted" interpretation of that day's events is probable or not.
Its a tiny download, 13 MB. Give it a try in demo mode for free (you can't shoot unless you buy). If you're too cheap to pay $10, don't worry, there will probably be a crack out soon.
Shoot a famous President, feel better. What better carrot is there than that?
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Let me be the first to suggest that it was, in fact, JFK who travelled back in time to shoot himself from the Grassy Knoll in order to right history.
I believe it was the show's final gasp of genius before a quick jump over the shark.
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Was I doing it wrong? I put my monitor 10 feet outside my window (as far as the cable would reach), ran the sim, then started shooting with my .22 from the windowsill. Was I supposed to use a special bulletproof monitor? Darn these realistic sims can be expensive!
I'm swear, I'm so fucking sick of others trying to force their morals and beliefs onto me. I personally would LOVE to play a game like this if it were an accurate historical simulation. Even moreso if the rifle and physics are very accurate. Frankly, I think we could use more games like this. How about one where you are a jew in a concentration camp and you have to try to escape?
What's that? That is evil and shouldn't be made as well? Well, as a jew who has spent serious time studying the holocaust, I'm ok with it, and since I'd be the one buying the game, IT WOULD BE MY FUCKING CHOICE!
God, I just wish that just once I could run into one of these evangelical morons, have them try to force their world view on me, and then beat the first amendment into them. Ugh. Don't they have anybody elses lives to worry about? Like their own?
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...they release a mod for it that puts Dubya in the Caddy.
Yes, But does it run linux?
You're a pissed off high school student wasting your classmates with heavy artillery.
incase you want to get an extra shooter on the grassy knoll.
There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
When the GWB mod is due out?
Just downloaded and isntalled the demo... It uses wad files. Didn't realize anything but Doom used those...
It actually looks rather tasteful. Technology definately doesn't seem up to the times, and what I saw in the demo really looked a lot like the recreation animations that they play on The Learning Channel, but with detailed ballastics analysis etc, it looks kinda neat.
I'm not sure it's proper to make it a competative event, but it looks like it'll make a pretty convincing argument if Joe Blow 14yr old can match the Warren Report on his 50th try, then Oswald probably could on his first...
Again, I'm really not sure I'm comfortable thinking of this as a game someone would play for fun, but as an educational tool it looks rather interesting.
Can Kennedy's brother not use his right of free speech?
I don't know about you, but I was surprised to learn that JFK still has relatives that haven't died under mysterious circumstances.
The "Insert Quote Here" line is almost as predictable as inserting an actual quote.
I know the plot if I kill kennedy those who planned it will kill me.
Tried with cedega 4.0, wine 20041019. No luck running this :(
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This should add up to the list in the kennedy's curses, the previous one was schwarzenegger in their familty.
Does a democratic family attending a republican rally just to remember the old days of glory really count as a curse?.
Shfunshenheisen is a hilarious name.
Coming from a man who let a woman drown in his submerged car I guess he would know despicable.
You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
Now that's just disturbing.
If you bothered to read the fucking web site you would quickly realize that this game is hardly distasteful. It isn't a shooter where you try and whack hordes of secret service guards to kill JFK. It sounds like a project to try and show that the shot was impossible. It is a simulation. Just spend thirty seconds reading the website and it becomes pretty clear that the motive for the game is pretty pure. Hell, just skim the FAQ and you should get an idea what these people are about. If it was some KKK website letting you shoot that liberal panzy, I would agree, but it sounds more like a historian with too much time on his hands.
Headshot!
Well, at least I still have my bobby kennedy pez dispenser.
-Colin
How exactly could this ever be a "historical" simulation of what happened? The last I heard, Kenndy wasn't killed by some geek with a mouse, keyboard or joystick. No matter how accurate they tried to make it, it would still fail.
Those are representations of the anonymous. This is a representation of a very specific figure who's relatives will have serious emotional attachment.
Because those that lost loved ones in WWII have no serious emotional attachment to those loved ones. So what if the computer generated image of a soldier being killed doesn't show someone's specific name above it? What if it has the same emotional effect on someone despite being "anonymous"? I'm sure it wouldn't be very hard at all to find a (small) group of people that are offended by games that depict WWII.
I don't understand how you don't understand the distinction.
The distinction: one computer generated image of a person being murdered has the name of a famous person above it, and the other does not.
On that note, why are you arguing from the "two wrongs make a right" fallacy?
My point was that neither are wrong. They are both computer generated attempts at entertainment with historically-derived action that are offending some people because of their content. I understand that this game could be something very offensive to certain people. I also understand that it could be something very educational and even entertaining to many other people. So why should these people be deprived of an educational and entertaining experience because someone else doesn't share their same sense of taste?
Those that are so offended by this can choose to ignore it and their lives will be no worse off for doing so. And those that this has a positive impact on can be better off for having played it.
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How many years until we have "September 11th, the video game"?
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
I agree completely. And this game could be more than just exploitation if only they allow some depth...
Allow the player to be one of the bodyguards. See if you can prevent jfk from being shot dead and still live yourself.
Allow the player to be the driver. See what the driver might have seen, see if you can do anything differently.
Allow the player to be on the grassy knoll, in the crowd, or looking over Lee harvey's shoulder
Allow the player to be the gunman from ANY position overlooking the scene. Basically, if it's just about being the trigger man in the same position as the official version and seeing how many holes you can dump into JFK, I don't see any redeeming value in it at all - not even from a gameplay perspective. Letting the player be the gunman from only the perspective of official history does nothing at all to rebuke conspiracy theories - it's just cheap (and a ripoff even at ten dollars) exploitation.
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And this game doesn't help explain what happened?
No.
You've played it, then? Good to know we're all commenting on something we know about first-hand.
If recreating an event down to its particular details doesn't give you any further insight into that event, perhaps you need some work on your critical thinking skills.
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people here aren't retarded, you know.
You sure about that? I seem to recall Jesus talking a lot about helping the poor, loving one's neighbor, turning the other cheek, etc. That all still sounds pretty liberal to me... I think if Jesus was here now, he would be ridiculed by the conservatives for being a starry-eyed bleeding heart peacenik.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
The replays and ballistics through bodies stuff is creepy. First time it showed the replay of JFK losing a chunk of brain I was actually horrified. This is different than blasting monsters a bazillion times with unrealistic weapons. It actually friggin makes you see, hear, BE the killer. On the other hand it answers a lot of questions I'd always had about the distance and angle of the shots. The sim idicates that JFK was in an exposed position, much more so than I'd ever noticed before. Randomly blasting into the car seems to take out JFK more often than the other characters.
I think this game is just plain wrong! What's next after JFK game? A flight simulation game where you crash commercial planes into WTC buildings?
The SS at your door.
The game is intended as an "interactive reconstruction." The idea is to see how plausible the findings of the Warren Commission are. There's even a contest with a $100,000 prize if you can pull off the shots that Lee Harvey Oswald was supposed to have taken. The simulation is an attempt to be so accurate that you must miss with your first shot in accordance with the assumptions they have made in recreating the events. Read all about it on the FAQ page.
Historians are always reconstructing the assassination. The Discovery Channel once ran a special where they ran a dummy by in a car and had an expert marksmen sharpshoot at its head as it drove by. It wasn't horrifying; it was supposed to be educational. This game is clearly an attempt to show just how implausible the official explanation for the JFK assassination is. I would love to see if any player actually achieves a high passing score.
Personal, I find the idea of this fascinating. The angle of "play as assassin and shoot JFK!" was given by Slashdot; that's not the intent. It's more of an academic exercise, and it will be very interesting to take part in this and see if the government's explanation for what happened actually plays out when you try it yourself. There's a reason they have the assassin's floor blocked off in the Assassination Museum--as Bill Hicks said, they didn't want thousands of American tourists going up there each year, pointing out the window, and realizing "There's no fucking way!"
Of course, all of this publicity is probably more than they could have hoped for. I doubt many people would have known about this sim otherwise.
And this game could be more than just exploitation if only they allow some depth...
I agree 110%. I haven't even played the game, but it's gameplay description doesn't sound very entertaining to me. However, I don't think that takes away from its historical value (seeing for yourself exactly how things went down is definitely historically valuable), and those that are focused on how "offensive" it is to them seem to be blind to its potential historical value.
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Anything Ted Kennedy doesn't like is either a good thing....or lacks alcohol.
This makes me thing that another good game would be one called "Chappaquiddick." The goal of course is to see how many cocktails you can drink before you're no longer able to escape from a car you've just driven off a bridge. The drunker you are, and the more passengers you manage to drown, the more points you get. Extra points are awarded for running over pedestrians, especially small children and cute furry animals.
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Ted has no morals. He's a boozing, wife-cheating skirt-chaser, and he's calling this game despicable?
The game is guilty of bad taste.
But, I'd be willing to listen to what Ted says when he will admit/apologize/own up to his morally bankrupt behavior.
Until then, I just hope Ted remembers that we have a right to free speech, and that he should defend that right.
If not, he's a hypocrite, and that's far worse than bad taste.
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He where relly killed by the driver.
Here's the big problem. The guys make this game knowing it's going to get massive media attention, then only charge 10 bucks. So, people are gonna pick it up just to see what it's all about. Plus they have a backdoor alibi, of "We're just trying to disprove the report." So on the game creator's part, it's damn smart, even if I do personally find it appalling.
"Plans are for fools! Oglethorpe, the plutonian (Aqua Teen Hunger Force)
It was on the Discovery Channel and was called "Unsolved History: JFK - Beyond the Magic Bullet" It doesn't show to be airing again anytime soon. However, they do have the DVD for sale on their site - here
It's a cliche?
Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
yap yap yap.... it still ends up being glorification of a murder. any other way to "look at ti" is BS.. forensics are best left to Forensics and not the pc gamer.
Why not just let it all rest and go play Mario Bros ok!
What the previous poster said was in the context of assasinating the named individual.
I am pretty sure the games you are mentioning don't center around that objective.
Typical example of ignoring the context to try to make a cheap point...
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
I'm quite skeptical of the games "re-enactment shows it's possible" contention. Sure, you can make a computer simulation where it's easy for the FPS player to shoot the President, but it's unlikely that they're doing the physics well enough to let anybody prove or disprove the Magic Bullet theory, and the news article and web site don't sound like they're giving you the choice of shooting from the Grassy Knoll either - just that you get to watch the bullet flying in Neo-like slow motion. It ain't science. (Also, of course, even if Oswald was the only gunman, that doesn't prove he was a lone assassin vs. getting support and funding from the Mafia or the Cubans or the Pentagon or whomever your favorite conspiracy theory likes to pin it on.)
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Now that's just disturbing.
Really? Which part, the part where he holds an Old World Sicilian Style family grudge because JFK screwed him on the Bay of Pig by vetoing the air support or the part where he claimed he "didn't recall" where he was when he heard that JFK had been killed.
If it is true, then the Bush family is the true dynasty of power in the second half of the twentieth century, not the Kennedys.
People claim that the Bush family in extremely meticuously about destroying any damaging evidence and further claim that this was done on a large scale in Texas during the Bush reign there.
As far as the game, they should include points for re-creating the gouges in the sidewalk made by the bullets (and patched in less than a day) that couldn't be made by shots from the book depository.
I can't help but think if the news article has called the product a "simulation" or a "research tool" rather than a "game", this would be a non-issue.
Ted Kennedy support H-1b expansion(and his brother architected the changes in US policy that made H-1b expansion possible). Why do they expect any respect from computer folks after those kinds of actions?
q: How do we know the CIA wasn't involved in the Kennedy assassination?
a: He's dead, isn't he?
We recently had heard in the office over one of the Yellow Machine that's made by Anthology Solutions.
What further "insight" into the Kennedy assassination do you think you'll get from a FPS where you stack textbooks and get Kennedy in your sight?
How about the first-hand knowledge that things looked and (could have) happened like they are reported historically? I'd say it definitely gives one a greater sense of the environment and events than does reading someone else's description.
Megan's Law is a reaction to a historically significant event. Would you play a video game where you rape and murder Megan Kanka?
What a ridiculous thing to ask. Of course not. But, perhaps if there had been a great contention as to whether a certain individual had committed the crime, and a game about it focused specifically on that individual's ability to commit the crime, rather than the gory details of the crime itself, then I could see it. You are essentially playing detective and not just replaying the horror of the crime. And that is all I see in this JFK game. It doesn't seem to me that you can get into anything gory concerning the murder; you are simply told whether your attempt would have been correct.
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This game is no research. It's only goal is to make money off of one of the most tragic event in our history. Everyone alive back then can tell you where they were when JFK was shot in Dallas, Texas. Just like people today know where they were when the 9/11 tragedy happened. What's next, a "research" where you fly a plane through a simulation of WTC and the Pentagon building? This game developer's product is protected by free speech, but they should be ashamed of themselves.
If it offends you, don't play it. People will make it and there is nothing you can do it. It probably sucks anyway. Just shut up. This is not newsworthy, this buzz is exactly what the creator wanted. He is going to make a mint off of some shit 30 minute game for a headline on CNN. Otherwise no one would have even noticed. lets all not care in protest.
How many years until we have "September 11th, the video game"?
It's called "Microsoft Flight Simulator" and it's been around since the 1980s...
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People have drawn a fairly clear line.
/. defending it as some sort of heartfelt attempt at gathering data is just absurd. The game is a disgusting murder-porno. You may like playing it - I may like playing it - but don't defend it.
Works of investigation/art about horrible events: OK
Video games trying to scintillate the player by allowing him to recreate heinous crimes? Not OK
The previous author asked whether you'd be OK with a game focused on recreating a rape/murder, and you completely dodged the question. This game isn't about whether he could do it - it's been studied in-depth by thousands of professions and a fucking $10 game is not going to add anything to that. The game is purely about appealing to a sickening part of people that gets pleasure from recreating a historical crime.
I just played the demo. It's about 30 seconds of Kennedys car driving by, and you with a sniper rifle able to fire at it. The game screenshots show Jackie reaching over in distress for her murdered husband...maybe showing the pieces of his brain that splattered onto her would make this artistic recreation more genuine?
Face it, this is a perverse travesty. If someone released a game letting people fly planes into the WTC, they would do that too. It doesn't mean it's right or moral.
I don't really have a problem with this - I think they have a right to do it and I think it's a natural progression from the already fucked-up games we already enjoy(e.g. GTA), but for you to sit here on
... keep trying to make this a multi-player game.
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Perfectly healthy democratic societies rate or even ban stuff they consider that goes beyond what society may find acceptable.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
TO CONTRA?
The problem is that when people try to recreate something like this, they want to assume that what happened was precisely as was intended, and thus you have to recreate everything just as happened for it to be possible. Well, not so much.
Assuming that the WC's report is true and Oswald was the lone shooter he had one objective: Kill president Kennedy. So, to that end he was firing at the prsident until he was convinced he was dead. Most likely by a visual clue indicating a headshot. The first two shots were misses, as least as far as he was concerned. He wasn't trying to miss, he was trying to hit, however he failed to do so.
It's not hard ot take two shots and miss and hit with a third one, even at a moving target if you are an experienced marksman. That doesn't mean you can recreate the happenings perfectly. It will happen one way one time, another the next.
Also, no game can accurately model the physics of what will happen. Realtime physics engines in games are pretty primitive. They can deal with the basics like ragdoll simulation on bodies, falling objects, and simple destructable objects, but any real simulation is FAR beyond what we have.
Well, to accurately simulate a bullet impact, it takes some serious power. Bullets do NOT act intuitively, espically high power ones. Lots of people forget that the bullets fired were high powered rounds form a Carcano military rifle. Thos act quite differently from a 9mm JHP round. Their penetration is extreme, and you can easily shoot through 3 or more unarmoured people with one. TRying to say that a game can simulate the trajectory of a bullet through a complex structure like the body is just stupid.
Sounds to me like these people are really doing one of two things:
1) Trying to play up the consparicy nut angle saying "See, lots of gamers couldn't do it in our (highly invalid) simulation, how could it possibly have happened in rea life?" and thus "prove" their theory.
2) Make money off said consparicy nuts.
I see nothing here approaching valid or interesting.
Freedom of speech works in many ways.
The braindead company that thought this a good idea have the right to publish this "game".
Well sonny, guess what, the people, potential buyers, have the right to express their opinion about the premise of the game, and thankfully will cast it to the 3 games for 1 dollar basket, where it rightly belongs.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
You should judge messages in their own merits, not by the merits of whom delivers the message.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
It seems to me that the most despicable thing is the fact that the American people have never had the people who killed former Pres. Kennedy brought to justice, not had the whole facts of the assasination revealed publically and officially. Of course, such a revelation would probably reveal things still relevant today, so it stays secret.
If I was Sen. Edward Kennedy, I'd find this game less tasteless compared to a lack of answers and justice.
Of course, if I saw the game sold in a store, I'd reconsider ever purchasing from them again. Thourougly tasteless and disrepectful, regardless of whatever you might happen to think of JFK.
Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses. If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.
Well no shit. Just where is the line between freedom of speech/belief and due respect? Is it an okay thing to teach our kids that it's okay to joke about killing someone? Boys (young and old) and girls too these days play "war" and I'm sure thousands of toy soldiers are still bought and played with, but somewhere there should be a line drawn.
But this game lets you gun down monsterous millionaires!
/duck.
Ok mod me down, I deserve it after that.
The John Hinkley simulation?
The John Wilkes booth RPG?
The Trotsky assination mod pack?
The crucifiction?
I guess bad taste and stupidity sells....
putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
You forgot a 'left-right', and the select is optional...see here
This game wouldnt sell a single copy if the media didnt splash it everywhere as some kind of scandal. Its just like the game 'manhunt' which the media got pulled from UK stores recently. ;)
Seriously, there are some fantastic games out at the moment, Half Life 2, Rollercoaster Tycoon 3, maybe Pirates will be good even *cough plug* my own Starship Tycoon
Its always pretty depressing to see that you can get a million dollars worth of advertising just by ensuring your game is sick and tasteless.
Lets treat trash like this the way it deserves, and ignore it completely. there are plenty more worthy pieces of entertainmemnt out there that could be covered instead.
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Except it's already been done. It was covered on either the History Channel or the Discovery Channel a while ago. They made models out of ballistics gel with pig bones inside, and had a shooter on a crane to get the same angle and distance Oswald had, using the same model gun from the same year, firing the same model bullets. He made the shot, the "wounds" on the ballistics gel model matched the wounds on Kennedy and Connely, and the damage on the bullet was almost identical to that of the so-called "magic bullet".
Whereas you'd jump at the chance to play a Vietnam game where you get to drop napalm on kids... double standards? never!!!
No, you get points (so-called "forensic points") for coming the closest to the timeline of events concluded by the Warren Commission. If you're off from that, you get docked.
You're completely missing the point of the game, which is to point out how damn near impossible it is to do it. There's even a $100,000 prize for someone who does it.
It's to point out how implausible the government's explanation was.
This 'sim' was heavily featured with its creator on the special "Beyond Conspiracy" in which they use this sim to prove the Warren Comission correct, not otherwise, which has been the prevalent thought on this board. The whole thing has been modeled with the thought that LH Oswald did it.... conspiracy theorists will be disappointed to find out you prolly cant take potshots from the infamous sewer drain... etc....
Personally everytime I watch the Zapruder film it seems almost obvious that Kennedy was shot from the front after being shot from the back.
Actually, the authors are trying to show exactly the opposite, that the Warren Commission made perfectly reasonable conclusions. Perhaps you should actually read what the game's authors said before you spout off your tired old conspiracy theories.
Funny, when I visited Dealey Plaza, it seemed so... small. Then I visited the Sixth Floor museum and stood next to that window. That shot was easy! The only mystery is how he actually managed to miss one shot out of three.
By the way, I've actually read the Warren Commission report. Have you?
Sadly, after a childhood spent listening to Daffy Duck, I can't hear the word 'despicable] without giggling a bit.
Which is sad, because it is. Should be legal, but despicable nonetheless.
And yeah, the sequel would probably involve something about seeing how many drinks it takes before you go off the bridge at Chappaquidick.
Seriously. Just think how good all your AWP kills feel.
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I am simply saying that the threat of violence can control people.
It can also make entire countries despise you and the rest of the world distrust you.
Hope you're not planning on taking any holidays.
You're going to have to set me straight then because it seems a little bit of a dichotomy. The US Constitution contains in it the 2nd Amendment, which promises the right of an armed citizenry. As we are constantly told by groups such as the National Rifle Association, this right is important to ensure that the citizenry can defend themselves and if need be, overthrow the government in revolution. If we're going to ban speech which might be seen as threatening then that sort of nullifies the 2nd Amendment, doesn't it? You can have the guns, you can have the ammo, but you can't talk about using them. So how does that work, exactly?
That 'disney' documentary (doesnt that give it away) didnt mention the actual bullet that passed through JFK once and connely multiple times striking many bones is pristine.
Test fires of bullets striking bone cause damage and marks on the bullet.
what is SO magical about the magic bullet it that is is infact pristine (they dont show you the bullet) yet it managed to go through three people.
Not only that, it's wasnt found on conollys stretcher, it was on the one next to it.
Whats also magic about the bullet is that 50 witnesses say they heard gunshots from the grassy knoll.
Whats also magic about the magic bullet is that bullets where also found in the grass, by the bridge, in the car, through the windscreen and on the road.
Oh no they killed Kennyde.
Emacs is good operating system, but it has one flaw: Its text editor could be better.
"The US Constitution contains in it the 2nd Amendment, which promises the right of an armed citizenry."
I will most certainly set you straight. The National Rifle Association is very fond of the second half of the second amendment. They deliberately choose not to mention the first half of the second amendment. The second amendment states "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." Are you a member of your state's militia? No, you're probably not. As such, you have no constitutional right to own a firearm and 'bear arms'. The constitution was written 200 years ago. Had they been psychic, they would have written it better so that we don't need to have this discussion, but like us, they were human. Do I think we should make it illegal to own a weapon? No, because then only criminals would have weapons. Fight for your right to defend yourself, don't use the constitution as an excuse.
As for this video game, it may be in poor taste, but it's perfectly legal. There are many people that don't want be reminded of JFK's death, and they'll shy away from it. That's their choice. You have the right to free speech, but I don't have to listen to you. That's how free speech works. If you don't like what someone is saying, don't listen to them.
And, if it matters, I declined the opportunity to moderate this discussion so that I could set you straight. Feel special.
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By analysing the information gained from the release of the game, we now believe that:
"The killer grenade jumped the parade, and bunny hopped across to a grassy knoll where it spray pained a clan logo before shouting 'j1h4d l0l rotflmao gg' and then using an aimbot to assassinate JFK.... the final words of the killer before police emptied the munitions budget of a small state into him was: k1ll4h dropped - connection reset by peer"
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Ya know, they should consider doing a more uptodate version with the current administation... then homeland security could come arrest and hold them for making a terrorist training device... I would hate to be the game manufacture when the letters start pouring if from the sheep(the santified masses who oppose everything from beer nuts to gay marridge and would gladly pick the corn out of king georges floaters) This game could seriously generate some bad press...I hope they do well but It seem to me that since King george took over...His nazi's and others like the moral mojority sh*t heads and the religeous right wingers are ready to pounce... I say buy this game and check out all the subversive library books you can find! peace out...
I'm waiting for the Abortion Simulator game. Objective: First one to fill a dumpster with babies wins!
Getting away with it these days is nearly impossible...
[Trivial, with money and manpower inside united states, and with some time for preparitions.]
Quicklist:
Someone inside does it with poison or something: blackmail, bribe, personal hate towards president etc...
Longrange rifles and explosive bullets 2 kilometers away from target...
Mortars 8 kilometers away from target... Best would be if you could get enough firepower to take down a building, if not then in the street right in front of it.
Bazooka trough a wall...
Burry explosives before hand to a location you know president will be at sometime future....
Best location would be a large bridge. Feed the sharks below the bridge before hand just to make sure...
Navy/airforce insiders... Well get missile, zero it to a building where president is. Hit the fire button. Or better yet. Use insiders to get it from armory, deliver it withing its range to the president and then fire it at the target...
Now none of the tricks are something you could get AWAY with actually, so there has to be something more important than persons own life for a motive to do it. Doing it isn't going to make anything better, you just get another dumb polition that does same mistakes, perhaps few additional mistakes os it won't solve a thing.
Emacs is good operating system, but it has one flaw: Its text editor could be better.
I just hope they are not running their real-time rifle CGI on a Microsoft OS. See? Using Microsoft products IS hazardous to one's health!
so not in militia = not a person? that must be convient
Perhaps the grandparent thought it was something about Wayne Bobbit, or maybe a Harry Potter spinoff?
1/3 of jokes get modded OT. If you get the joke, mod 1 in 3 insightful/interesting/underrated to restore karma balance.
But, if this is a simulation that has a strict grading system forcing you to match the findings of the report in order to get a good score, then what does it actually prove? The ideal outcome is only one thing, to show that it was possible for one gunman to accomplish. Sure, but proving a past event as possible isn't really proving much is it?
in certain circles it's a well known fact that, in their spare time, John Madden and Ted Kennedy have been working on a game based on Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal. Supposedly its a arcade action/puzzle game where players "eat babies" and perform complicated chains of actions in "combos" to create various durable goods out of the "ineddible parts" to earn awards that attach to their profile as well as other bonuses like points or extra time.
You are aware, of course, that Oswald's performance was equalled and exceeded by voluntary shooters during the Warren commission's inquiry? This "implausible explanation" has been demonstrated to be quite possible indeed.
This is also why it is illegal to burn the rich and powerful in effigy, here in the U.S.
1) disrespectful to the family of the victim. 2) morbid 3) a cheap ploy to get attention for a mediocre effort. 4) profit
HTH
We all know Kennedy shot himself in order to repair the time discrepancies the remainder of the Red Dwarf crew instigated by Lister's time-traveling Curry Run.
Where can I download a Dubya mod/character?
Why not recreate other US Presidential assassinations?
Ford's Theatre in Washington, DC... you sneak past the guards (assuming there were any... any historians on the board?) and silently enter the box wherein President Lincoln sits alongside his wife Mary Todd, watching the play "Our American Cousin"... sic semper tyrannus! you cry...
Or you approach President McKinley at the site of the Pan-American Exposition in Buffalo, NY, pistol in hand...
You are in error. No-one is screaming. Thank you for your cooperation.
Then, try "Well-Regulated Militia Simulator"! Live the excitement of being crushed by a tank when the tyrannical oppressor comes! Feel like a big man, yet be completely ineffectual! In stores now!
worst non sequitur ever
But in the Discovery channel special the guy was able to hit his shots with relative ease, right?.. which doesn't really shout "Implausible!!" to me... Conspiracy nuts will disagree of course..
So many injustices..so little time..
So, freedom of speech is just bullshit, then? :)
Ted Kennedy Forever....
Well, wait, that bastard really is forever....
"All great things are simple & expressed in a single word: freedom, justice, honor, duty, mercy, hope." --Churchill
3) Profit
I bet you can accurately recreate the damage of the so-called "magic bullet" with a single BFG pickup.
That's not a soda... it's a caffeine delivery device!
"I don't agree with what you say but I will defend with my life your right to say it."
Besides... if both guns and games were banned, which do you think would've been more likely to save Kennedy?
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The game is intended as an "outrageous publicity-getter." The idea is called 'shock marketing'. There's even a previous game, Manhunt, by the same developers which was based on the same tactic. The wild success of "GTA3", another similar game, was the reason Manhunt was made. The superficiality of the project is apparent. The primary reason for creating this game was not historical exploration, but rather the 220 news articles it was bound to generate, free of charge.
Of course, all of this publicity is probably more than they could have hoped for.
All of this publicity is exactly the point of making a game like this. Don't be a mark.
Sure, but proving a past event as possible isn't really proving much is it?
It is when you have millions of nuts trying to prove that it wasn't possible.
Not everything is analogous to cars. Car analogies rarely work.
Easy. He was using a Z-bot.
Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.
Why not just put out a Sims game about US Slavery? You get sold into slavery. It could be an online game. You have to sit on a boat for 90 days with all kinds of people. You don't get to skip forward either. Your character can't move around very well, and you just have to sit there. Then after 90 (real-time) days of this, you get to perform menial tasks for the rest of your life. Not to mention the beatings! You could try to escape, but surprise! There is nowhere to go where you won't be hunted down. Oops, don't look at that white woman, or you'll get another beating. If you happened to be bought during the right era, then you possibly get to go free. You are promised some material things that are never given to you, and you just roam the land and have to survive. And if your character dies, the game disables itself. No second chances here! Want to play again? You have to go buy another copy. Hah ha. What a great stocking stuffer for Xmas.
My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.
"and the damage on the bullet was almost identical to that of the so-called "magic bullet"."
what? as in none.
The "magic" bullet is intact, not even bone collision marks. The only marks it has are frmo it being fired, let alone passing through several bodies!
I want a game where I can kill a frog-hating-monkey!
We Americans seem to have been subordinated to authority extremely well. We have an authoritarian culture.
It has something to do, I suppose, with the fact that ours was until very recently a slave-driven culture. And before slavery was outlawed, there was a great deal of attention focused on protection and obedience to leaders.
Also, we are a celebrity obsessed culture. I think it comes out of the fact that we are a hierarchy obsessed culture. For hundreds of years our leaders have helped create a culture obsessed with authority and hierarchy. That is why we can play and talk about games that kill millions of people. Suppose a war game came out centered around invading Iran and Killing Iranians. THose are real people. Do you think there would be a huge fuss over that?
But when it comes down to anything reeking slightly of actual disobedience to our leaders or actual revolution....ohhh! BIG FUSS! We have been trained, oh, so very well. It took centuries.
eat shiat and bark at the moon
We already had MS Flight Simulator 2000.
Actually there was some damage. The bullet head was flattened out some and lead was starting to come out the back of the bullet. The discovery channel show's bullet matched the photos from the magic bullet with unbelievable accuracy.
They also thought about making a game based on Clinton. Later they realized that it would probably suck. Or is it blow? ;-)
Cheers,
Adolfo
I actually agree with Ted Kennedy on something.
How long before I can play as Kennedy and turn and fire on Lee Harvey when his misses that first shot?
Silly dave240. Don't you realize, these people can't even *see* the words "Well-regulated Militia"?
As someone who lives in Dallas and has been to the six floor museum several times I can definitively say you are full of B.S.
The entire six floor is dedicated to a museum covering the event. Until a couple years ago, you could actually crouch down at the window, in the exact position Oswald was in. They had to block that area off (about a 10'x12' area) with glass walls because idiots kept trying to "rearrange" things or "leave momentos" that they had been there. I believe that you can actually still get into the area, you just have to pre-arrange it with the curating staff.
The six floor museum is actually the best museum on a political subject I have ever seen. I really expected it to be highly biased, one way or another, however, it turns out to be an incredibly unbiased and thorough review of all the credible work that has been done on the assasination, as well as a good, unbiased review of Kennedy's life and presidency. I was overwhelmed the first time I went through with all of the information presented. I've been back 3 times, by myself, just so that I could spend timing examining some of the displays and presentations, rather than rushing through with visiting family and friends from out of town.
Even if you aren't really interested in museums or the assasination, I would still definate recommend a stop at Dealy Plaza and the museum if you pass through Dallas.
"Unheard of means only it's undreamed of yet,
Impossible means not yet done." ~~ Julia Ecklar
No, I have better ways to waste my time - like counting pubic hairs in the men's urinal.
They are too young for that sort of thing! Maybe when they are older
As an AC has said above, this is more a historical recreation which pits people against the simulated world to generate what actually happened, thus testing the Warren commission's finding.
Kudos to the AC for that ... now on to my initial knee-jerk point: maybe what ought to happen in a case like this is that 50% of the game's retail price should go towards whatever charitable organization the Kennedy family desires, or any Kennedy endowments or the like. That would be a good and noble thing which would, in my mind, make the whole thing sound a bit less grotesque.
As someone who also lives in Dallas (Plano, actually), I'll concur with everything you said about the museum.
It is rather depressing, though, that one of the biggest tourist draws for the city is based on an assassination.
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.-Ecclesiastes 1:9
I'm still eagerly awaiting the Magic Bullet Ride at Six Flags. Talk about zigging and zagging, a la the Stone(d) movie 'JFK'.
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I think your analysis is too simplistic. I can't think of many WWII games where you kill any named, real historical figures. Most of the time, you are an unknown soldier fighting other unknown soldiers, and historical events are the backdrop for the action. I guess you got to fight Hitler in Wolfenstein, but Hitler is a bit of a unique case, being generally regarded as the most evil man in history. A beloved historical figure is another matter entirely.
A game using the JFK assassination time/place as a setting would probably not be deemed offensive. The offensive part is that you are playing the killer, and the goal of the game is to assassinate JFK - not the exploration of the topic itself.
If someone produced a game on the basis that they were countering Holocaust revisionists' claims that the slaughter of Jews during WWII couldn't have occured, so to prove it you must play Hitler and organize the logistics of gassing camps etc., and score 6,000,000 kills to win, would you also find it an acceptable historical exploration?
How about a game where the goal is to torture Jesus to death, or a historical re-enactment of 9-11-2001 where you play the terrorists?
From another perspective: Has anybody in your immediate family, or one of your friends, ever been murdered? How would you feel about a game being produced where you play the murderer in that specific situation?
BTW, games aren't narratives.
Depends on how you count, I suppose. Hitler killed himself when things didn't work out for him. Tojo tried to kill himself, and then was executed as a direct result of his actions during the war.
I forget what 8 was for.
From the web site, it is clear that this is not some kind of cheap, quickie game to reap publicity from controversy. They have invested a lot of time and effort into serious simulation--effect of gravity on bullet trajectory, bullet deflection by bone, loss of energy of bullets passing through various materials, etc. This is a lot more work than required to simply produce an entertaining video game. At the price, I question whether the project will even repay the development effort.
While I appreciate that this must be painful for some of the family--as, most likely, are the periodic rehashing of the event in the news and documentary media--I see this as another part of the loss of privacy that is part of the price of leadership. The assassination of President Kennedy is one of the pivotal events of modern history. It is also uniquely controversial. What really happened is still being hotly debated decades later. Nobody seriously questions, for example, whether it was possible for a beginning pilot to fly a plane into the WTC, yet there are many people who believe passionately that Oswald could not have made the shots as described.
This project appears to be a serious attempt at interactive history, allowing people to investigate for themselves the plausibility of the "official" version of events. This is a unique way to breathe life into history; I hope we see more serious simulations of this nature
"A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed"
kind of turns into
"Guns for everyone in case some bad guy invades".
Completely missing the fact that the guy invading will be slightly better armed than them (read: tanks, helicopters, tactical nukes, ICBMs, aircraft carriers, etc)... I'm not sure how a bunch of accountants with 6-shooters and no training are going to form any sort of coherent physical force that even a slightly determined boy scout troop couldn't take care of is beyond me. But what do I know. I'm a commie.
To play devil's advocate: this is just a modern incarnation of all the other profit taking we've seen over the years in regards to JFK's assassination.
IMHO, it's all tasteless.
Parting thought: So apparently after 41 years its acceptable to develop a "game" about a tragic moment in history? Does this mean Traffic Games will be releasing a 9/11 WTC simulation in 2042?
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven...hmph....Oswald was a fag.
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Unarmed people become subjects, armed people are citizens. There are plenty of us that have extremely good training.
You're implying that having a gun makes you a citizen, but that's simply not the case. If you have a gun and try to not comply with the wishes of the government, no matter how outrageous you think they are, the government will get a bigger gun than you're allowed by law. If you have a gun EVEN BIGGER, they'll just bring more. You can't win.
Don't you realise it? They say "oh look! you have guns, so there's no way in hell we can fuck with you. Don't you feel better?" when they know that if they want to wipe every single american off the face of the Earth, or enact draconian laws and FORCE you to comply, they can walk right over you all, guns or not. After all, France, Belgium, Holland, and even Poland had entire armies, and they were taken over by a hostile, tyrannical dictator. How you think a bunch of office workers with handguns is going to stop a modern mechanised army with air support is beyond me, and quite entertaining at the same time.
So, by the sound of your last statement, only those with training should be allowed guns?
Doesn't this need to be a networked game? I mean I can't be in the book depository and the grassy knoll at the same time.
I can see a whole series of assassination simulator games: Oswald, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Jr., and of course Abraham Lincoln.
... that's just too tasteless. I'll stop there.
But if you really want tasteless: A simulator where you play the commandant of a Nazi concentration camp and your job is to
After Oliver Stone's work, it seems impossible that any rational person could still give credence to the, "Magic Bullet" theory. But that's the whole point to this particular kind of brain damage.
People will struggle to believe the bad guys because the alternative seems just too terrible.
Still. . . There are a helluva lot of Americans who know that so-called terrorism is deliberately manufactured for psy-ops purposes, that Bush is a lunatic, and that Kennedy was killed by the elite for numerous reasons, (among them being that he had the audacity to try to mint actual American dollars in an attempt to wrest the fiat money system back from the hands of a few private and very, very wealthy families).
You may be die a humiliating death on your knees within the next ten years, but if so, that's what you're here to experience. If you give them your soul, you lose; the Karma hit for going along with the lie will be very heavy. --It is understood by those who know, that the Jews destroyed in Nazi Germany were paying off massive Karmic debt for being bastards in previous lives, --paying for the huge crimes of Atlantis. (Not an island; a world hegemony. The U.S. is today's continuation of that pattern.)
Keep your eyes open, oppose where you are able, and do not fear. You are loved and never alone.
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according to them this is to PROVE that the warren commision was correct
"But i loveded you PIGGY I LOVEDED YOU!!!!!" *Gir*
Well look how well your current administration "walked right over" Iraq, who aren't possessed of exactly the most technically sophiphisticated fighting force on the planet.. and that was in a country that the government doesn't even particularly need to be mostly intact afterwards (ie they're not shitting where they sleep every time they blow a building up)
I don't know too much about asymmetric warfare but I'd bet fighting a pitched urban war against a mostly unsympathetic population is as much of a walk in the park as it's made out to be.
There's an excellent drum & bass song called "Original Nuttah". Not sure why I mentioned that.
Oh yeah, everybody knows that Oliver Stone is a shape-shifting reptillian half-brother of JFK who is alive and still working as Arafat's Mossad controller.
For my next trick, I'll pull an UFO out of my arse.
Bullets travel in a parabola, dictated by gravity, assuming they are flying in a vaccuum. In the real world, their arc is affected by the lift they generate. They path is also affected by wind. However that's not the hard part, the hard part is the simulation when a bullet hits a body. Bodies are complex structures of varying denesities, which affect the bullet's trajectory in various ways. I know of no simulation for this, never mind one that can be done in realtime.
Is there, um, a multiplayer mode?
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We will never know the whole story of the Kennedy Assasination, even after the remaining sealed files are mad public.
It is better to be the hammer than the anvil.
I can't wait to see some mod that switches JFK's face to you-know-who's.
Tyranny isn't the worst enemy of a democracy. Cynicism is.
'It is despicable,' said a spokesman for Massachusetts Sen. Edward Kennedy, the late president's brother.
Hes probably right, im gonna bet the graphics will be pretty bad and will still need decent hardware, the game play won't be up to much either, its despicable the way games are going, what happend to good gameplay?
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Anyone claiming that this or any other FPS game can be used as an asassisination training/simulation device obviously has never fired a gun. I'm a pretty good FPS player that has recently picke up pistol and rifle shooting and believe me, accurately hitting something outside of stabbing range is a HELL of a lot more difficult in real life...
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Microsoft doesn't have a patent on "X" do they?
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"so not in militia = not a person? that must be convient"
I'm sorry.. Did you read my post? The second amendment states "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." The founding fathers were very clear. If they meant for everyday citizens to have the right to own a weapon, don't you think they would have left out "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,"? They didn't put it there to confuse people like yourself. They put it there specifically because they felt that the states needed an armed militia. The second amendment was not written to address an individual's rights to own a weapon. Apples and oranges.
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2. A game like Flight Simulator (2000 version) except if you can fly your plane into the exact same place on the north tower as Mohammed Atta did you win $1,000,000.
3. A game where you get to play Susan Smith. If you can drive your car into a lake and kill your two children while escaping alive you win $10,000.
There is a reason why the entire country ground to a halt after Kennedy was assassinated. It wounded every American. To make a game of re-enacting a singular event that in one day caused so much pain and anguish is CLASSESS and I am embarrassed that the company involved (Traffic Games) works in the same industry that I do.
Here's a great idea for a game: You play a bankruptcy repossesser and you go to Traffic Games' office and repossess all their furniture and computers after they declare bankruptcy.
Well, the Iraqis aren't going to repel the US invaders any time soon, so I'd say that it was a vibrant demonstration as to why the 2nd amendment is severely out of date. After all, when they wrote it, it was very possible for a common person to own one of every weapon employed by whatever army they chose.
is by the Dead Kennedys, I presume?
I think they could solve the controversy by calling this a Computer Simulation instead of Video Game. Or, they could have because it's too late now.
Often, it's your treatment of a subject or perceived treatment of a subject that generates controversy. For example, academics study almost everything under the sun but do so with a very academic, objective approach.
This could just be just a cheap marketing gimmick that was done intentionally. I doubt I would have heard of the "game" without the controversy because it sounds like a very boring version of a Tom Clancy game.
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"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
You're (intentionally?) missing the point.
The right to keep and bear arms is enshrined in the constitution as a defense against tyrany. An armed nation is far more difficult for a tyrant to subjugate than an unarmed one. Guns are, as George Washington put it: "The people's liberty's teeth." Mao was also right when he said that political power comes from the barrel of a gun. Freedom does not long endure when the power to defend and enforce that freedom is stripped away. Rights become privileges, and freedoms become indulgences.
The left understands this all too well. The far left despises the 2nd amendment because it is one of the strongest protections against their instituting a communist/socialist cleptocracy in America. As long as people are able to defend themselves, the "revolution" will never see the light of day.
Now I'm not assuming that you're one of the far left, but you need to understand the agenda of those you do appear to rub elbows with.
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Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
You're just assuming that Oswald was not acting alone in the assassination. That is not exactly an uncontroversial position (even though a majority of Americans believe the same).
Just your thumb will do.
-FL
I'm in Dallas on Business and I went to Dealy plazy yesterday, the Mueseum is ON the 6th floor where he was shot from and in fact they have the original window on display. Its quite open...
If religous zealots don't believe in Evolution, then why are they so worried about bird flu?
Only if you want to put a second shooter on the grassy knoll.
Maybe I'll just settle for a John Ashcroft pinata.
"And a voice was screaming: 'Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?'" - HST
Many people miss the point on debates related to the First Amendment. "I will disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it," said Voltaire, and that exactly sums up the way I look at it.
On this issue, I feel that the website bills the simulation too much like a game. At one point, the demo shows the text, "KILL JFK and win $100,000" -- with the emphasis being theirs, not mine. I disapprove of what they say. Often times, people will say things like, "If you don't like it, then don't listen to it/watch it/read it/play it/download it!" I agree with that statement, but there's a huge difference between disapproving of what someone else says and saying they shouldn't be allowed to express their ideas. I believe this company fully has the right to produce that game. I disapprove of it, because I think it's disrespectful and tasteless. In my opinion, they should not produce such material. However, I will defend to the death their right to speech that I find offensive.
That's the bottom line -- you have very broad rights to produce media that will offend other people, and those who find it offensive have very broad rights to speak out in disapproval of your free speech. Both sides have the right to self-expression, and both sides should continue to freely discuss the issues. So many debates relating to free speech miss this key point, and consist mostly of, "There should be a law against that!" and "If you don't like it, turn it off!"
Anyone in the Marines is a good shot - Marines are first and foremost riflemen.
That Marine A calls Marine B a "lousy shot" is comparing B to the best.
That Marine B is a Marine means he's still a far better shot than the general population.
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
Ironic that the Slashdot quote appeared right below your post on my screen, saying:
"I've seen it. It's rubbish." -- Marvin the Paranoid Android
Can we get a "-1 Wrong" moderation option?
What a great example of consensus morality. Here's a stunning thought: what if more people (and video games companies) did what they thought was right, rather than what most other people thought was right?
I don't see that being a 'historical event' is much of a mitigating factor. So was 9/11, and I think most people would be quite offended if someone were to make a 'hit the twin towers flight simulator'-type game out of it
Again with the "most people" morality. What are you, afraid of being disliked?
Personally I think America's Army is one of the scariest developments on the market and was unshocked (perhaps even intrigued) when Under Ash presented an alternate viewpoint (not that I support that viewpoint, me being a loony extreme pacifist and all that).
As for games like Hitman and GTA, the actions of the character are clearly immoral: that's the whole vicarious fun of it. You really have to shed this tepid Puritan morality and recognize that art can and does depict dark stuff. Mod me flamebait, but I'd bet hard money that a 9/11 game is not long in coming.
Pretty much an I don't care who it hurts as long as I can sell enough copies type.
This same indivdual would, 140 years ago, have been disposed of rather quickly I think.
It is a despicable attempt to profit from the death of a president, whom I voted for way back then, but only as a rebound from a rant by Nixon the night before. I went to the polling booth that day convinced we did not need such a childish mentality as Nixon's running the country for the next 4 years. Kennedy's action from Jan 20 to that fatefull day pretty much proves I was right, the only thing I disagreed with was his making his brother the AG.
No cheers on this one, Gene.
PS: I hope the game miserably fails in the sales dept. sending a message throughout the gaming industry.
What a pussy Oswald was for camping. People like him ruined it for everyone. Get on that grassy knoll and fight like a man!
What the hell are you babbling about? Oh, that's right, you're spouting off again about something without making a whit of sense. As usual.
Shooting Nazis is generally considered good form...
Yeah, except that most games have you shooting the german Wermacht, which were ordinary soldiers, and not members of the National Socialist party. The SS was the group that was responsable for most of the atrocities that are associated with Nazi Germany. The German army could be said to be guilty of following the orders given to it by a corrupt and evil leadership, but it conducted itself pretty much as any professional army.
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
hit the limo driver first, then the car stops and you have quite a bit of time to pick them off one by one.
the bus driver is a tough hit.
my best is 25 shots and -2300 score.
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Whack the headcrab with your crowbar, and smash the window. Then, pull your rocket launcher, and rocket jump out the window, and, while flying over the car, AWP whore them. L337 $killz!
Implicit in your rebuttal is the notion that there's no qualitative difference between guys like Hitler, Saddam and Usama and John F. Kennedy.
That isn't much of a counter to the post you were replying to, but it does say a lot about the mindset that would lead someone to believe that some crass, blatantly exploitative game like this is morally acceptable, in the name of historical exploration.
Thanks for the insight... into your black soul.
So are the tabloids, and they get away with tons somehow. I've often wondered how.
I mean, look at their coverage of "normal people" who have become famous due to a tragic event (kidnapping or whatever). How do they get away with plastering the paper with articles about it.
Personally, I find a Kennedy re-enactment a lot less offensive that a bunch of JB Ramsey or other headlines staring me in the face at the supermarket (not that it makes either right).
Ignoring the whole "what did they mean by the 2nd amendment" argument, yes there it is quite ironoic that the current adminitration (and no doubt all to follow) will be hyper-sensitive to elimiating any talk about damaging the powers that be. It is particularly interesting that the mainstream NRA line is to, of course, support his president and his adminisration. It's all a matter of "what can you do for me" politics.
I have mixed feelings on the 2nd amendment. I like guns, though I no longer own any which are operational. I think most people have legitimate reasons for owning them, including "because they're fun to shoot."
I don't think the 2nd amendment really protects that right - I think that it is for a "well regulate militia," known in the modern world as the (insert your state) National Guard. I also believe that the intent was to prevent a top-heavy, mostly unaccountable government such as the British Monarchy from coming to power.
In this day and age, we have a mostly unaccountable goverment, simply due to the practicalities of running a representative government for 300 million citizens with just 500 or so representatives. That government no longer relies on the state militias to protect the country or wage war. It has a military which far outstrips the ability of any individual to resist, primarily due to the expense and complexity of the military weapons used. The ability for citizens to purchase and maintain weapons of sufficint power to overthrow the US government should it "get out of control" is essentially zero.
Based on that, the 2nd amendment is irrelevent to 21st centry realities. Nonetheless, it is used as a political wedge whenever it comes up. Hurray.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
How long could this game possibly last?? You climb into a building, get up to a window, wait, take two shots, and the game is done.
Even taking all the ethical questions aside, how the hell could this even be marketable? There's nothing much to *do*.
Don't label something "offtopic" unless you know the topic well enough to tell what's on topic.
Until a couple years ago, you could actually crouch down at the window, in the exact position Oswald was in. They had to block that area off (about a 10'x12' area) with glass walls because idiots kept trying to "rearrange" things or "leave momentos" that they had been there.
Define "couple". I was there over 10 years ago before JFK the film was shot and the plexiglass wall was in place.
Oh my God! They killed Kennedy! You bastards!
But unless you actually read it, you don't have much on which to base an opinion, now do you?
But some people just can't accept such a simple, straightforward and logical explanation. There has to be more. They'll trash the Warren Commission without ever bothering to read the report, and they'll subscribe to any one of dozens of ridiculous, mutually contradictory conspiracy theories.
I do have a problem with the simulation's authors (I can't really bring myself to call it a "game") who want you to match the actual outcome as closely as possible. In many real-world situations with a random element there are a large number of similar outcomes, each one of which is relatively unlikely but in aggregate are virtually certain. For example, any given poker hand is just as likely as any other, and the chances of getting any given hand are extremely tiny, yet one of those extremely unlikely events is guaranteed to happen every time the cards are dealt.
Similarly, if Oswald could have repeated the assassination, the outcome would probably have been a little different each time. Perhaps the first shot wouldn't have missed as it did; perhaps he would have hit Kennedy's head with the second shot so he wouldn't have required a third; perhaps the third shot would have missed and he would have fired a fourth; and so on. The point is that all these outcomes flow from the same situation: Oswald sitting in the sixth floor corner window with a rifle, shooting at the motorcade. And that's what you're trying to determine.
So it's really kind of pointless to create a "game" in which you try to exactly match the actual outcome. If you're simply trying to understand what happened, it makes more sense to form a list of all possible explanations and then see which one most closely matches all the known facts. That's exactly what the Warren Commission did. And they did an excellent job in showing why they concluded that Oswald, acting alone, shot Kennedy from the sixth floor of the Book Depository.
Does your character look like a young George Bush Sr. dressed as a hobo?
I hold very few opinions. I hold information based on observation and fact. If you wish to disagree, please use facts.
Dated 1988. The text on the back of the box contains this:
"Discover new MS Flight Simulator. Its on-screen flight instruction will train you to take an aircraft through rolls, spins, inverted flight - even death-defying Hammerhead stalls. Fly in formation and chase your lead plane right between the towers of the World Trade Center..."
1988. And everyone was SO fucking surprised that someone would use planes in this way. One of my favorite things to do (well, used to be anyway) in Flight Simulator was crash into large buildings and landmarks in interesting ways.
And this was such a surprise to everyone when it happened.
Not ONE SINGLE PERSON in US Intelligence ever played Flight Simulator? Please.
Ah, I always seem to forget about the nuts for some reason. My bad.
Interesting. By stating a simple, on-topic opinion, the poster got modded down as "flamebait" et al. Yes, most interesting.
Ignorance is curable, stupid is forever.
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ADMIN: no one is cheating
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What a load of bollocks!
While I'm sure that people in the US think that Kennedy was a god, I can only think along an analogy. I think a Scottish company cashing in Kennedy's death is fine as long as an American company is fighting a legal battle against an English Charity for rights over who can sell a Princess Diana doll.
I don't even like the royal family, but I found that offensive.
Actually, the authors are trying to show exactly the opposite, that the Warren Commission made perfectly reasonable conclusions. Perhaps you should actually read what the game's authors said before you spout off your tired old conspiracy theories.
Where do they say that? I've read the entire FAQ now, and I don't see them stating anything of that kind. What I do see them saying is that they will offer up to 100,000 USD to anyone who can recreate the shot. If that's not a thinly clouded opinion on whether or not it's likely that that's the way it happened, I don't know what could be.
So stop being such an arrogant schmuck. It's even more annoying when you're wrong.
Everyday citizens comprised militias. They were not "armies," but ordinary people who could be called up wen needed. They supplied their own weapons. Hence the phrase "the right of the people." To say the second amendment does not apply to individuals is to say likewise of the first and fourth, which contain the same language--"right of the people."
Ignorance is curable, stupid is forever.
Please, moderators, remove this story... It's wrong, and if you agree they should know that's how you feel.
Ay carrumba. Where to start.
This is a news site. One of the purposes of 'news' is to educate the readers about things going on in their community. That is why this story is relevant.
The way things are changed for the better is not by hiding ugly realities, but by exposing them and holding them up for discussion, be they ugly or beautiful. You, on the other hand, seem to believe that we can make the world more beautiful by hiding ugly things rather than exposing them to the light of day.
Mod down people who tell people how to mod in their sigs
My dad had a really hard time recreating the concorde crash...
on topic: The game clearly wants to make the most of the anniversary, but I doubt it'll have much succes. Except for maybe the people who enjoy the 'Liveshot' site.
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How did the water taste before being left to drown by a drunken Senator who got off scott free?
There are other things in this world that are truly offensive.
I'll post as Anonymous Coward,
So I can tell you a little (true) story.
Ruby entered by the back door in the Police garage in Dallas, I worked with the cameraman at WFAA in Dallas and I point blank asked him, he'd never mentioned it because he thought is was unimportant. I passed this along to a JFK book investigator.
There was a Navy salior at the grassy knoll fence that heard, ducked, felt and saw the smoke from a shot at that location. Everyone ran to the knoll.
Oswald was not alone, or stupid.
I worked on the Stone movie and it was just a collage of conspiracy theories and warrants little attention.
There has been some really good work done lately with technology (magic bullet) and more is coming to light.
Don't forget the eye witnesses, many have been overlooked or just hesitant, many of them came out when we made the movie.
Now, back to your regularly scheduled blathering.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Hmm, that link doesn't seem to be working anymore, so consider this random article, in particular this quote:
So... care to retract your "arrogant schmuck" remark?
yep... politicians everywhere, and news stations everywhere run stories on this , evil, filthy, rotten, disrespectful video game.... and people hate it...oh please. it's a video game. grow up... and i thought thats how free markets worked? if there is a demand, hell, sell it. it's not like we're bombing another country or anything...we're just make believe shooting someone... and where was the media to cover all of Bush's moronic statements, or the stories on the businesses that are making billions of iraq, stories on how US is violating treaties by putting weapons in space, and stories on how, YES, microsoft ALSO violates lots and lots of patents, and it's not just linux... bunch of chicken hawks....!
If we are going to shoot dead Kennedys lets see how fat we can get doing it..
O Please! Anybody with half a brain can figure this out! First, Ted Kennedy, is freaked out, drunk, and paranoid. Nobody wants him, he is left to stew in his own jucies. What better end for him? Who in the world still believes an anything but a markzman Lee, could possibly have struck off three rounds like that? Anyone who could, diserves a hundred-thousand. I wonder, if anyone can see the three real sharpshooters, beet-it for the train, under the next railroad bridge, changing clothes, and following up the line to the apartment?
Don't you think...? Or don't you?
When Mao said "barrel of a gun" he wasn't talking literally about some paralegal with a beretta, but a metaphor about the people rising up against the government, the institutions, the ruling classes.
Answer me this: If the cops tried to enforce some new draconian law on you, what would you do? How, in your mind, can you think of a course of events that don't end in you having your ass handed to you by someone with bigger guns, and more of them? I really would like to know. You don't have the power to defend and enforce your freedom - the cops have more guns than you. They can also call in the freakin' army. Unless you happen to have your own NORAD-style bunker, you're fucked.
Are you seriously suggesting the left wants to take guns away so they can set up a communist state?? Hahaha! That's genius :) I find it interesting you use Mao to defend your views on guns, yet two paragraphs later, berate communists as evil. Which one is it? :) Maybe, and just maybe, they're worried that the correlation between gun ownership and death in America is more than coincidence. Or maybe you like kids shooting each other, the ridiculous amounts of suicides and armed robberies, the gang violence, armed rampages, etc. I don't know. The rest of the world seems to get along fine without everyone packing :)
Everybody knows that the Federal Reserve killed Kennedy! This game was released by the Federal Reserve to propagate Lies!
"When George Washington was rolling around, guns were the ONLY weapon an army had - from muskets up to cannon. It was well within every person's means to get enough weapons for a town to be able to go up against soldiers. Now, there is no hope in HELL that Americans can get enough guns to fight off or make it tricky on the tyrannical overlords. Have you seen what most armies pack these days? They're not muskets, that's for sure..."
:) I find it interesting you use Mao to defend your views on guns, yet two paragraphs later, berate communists as evil. Which one is it? :) Maybe, and just maybe, they're worried that the correlation between gun ownership and death in America is more than coincidence. Or maybe you like kids shooting each other, the ridiculous amounts of suicides and armed robberies, the gang violence, armed rampages, etc. I don't know. The rest of the world seems to get along fine without everyone packing :)"
Guns arent effective? Tell that to the insurgents in Iraq. They are just a fraction of a percent of the population and they are causing trouble for the most powerful army on Earth. Any idiot trying to subjugate the American people would face a much bigger (smarter) insurgency. Recent history demonstrates it would be VERY effective.
"When Mao said "barrel of a gun" he wasn't talking literally about some paralegal with a beretta, but a metaphor about the people rising up against the government, the institutions, the ruling classes."
Mao was speaking very literally. Peasants arent known for their fancy legalistic metaphors. Those are mainly employed by would-be internet pundits trying to explain away the Bill of Rights.
"Answer me this: If the cops tried to enforce some new draconian law on you, what would you do? How, in your mind, can you think of a course of events that don't end in you having your ass handed to you by someone with bigger guns, and more of them? I really would like to know. You don't have the power to defend and enforce your freedom - the cops have more guns than you. They can also call in the freakin' army. Unless you happen to have your own NORAD-style bunker, you're fucked."
I would use all of my Constitutional rights including freedom speech and voting to oppose it. However, if the police were in fact acting to deny all of those rights, then I will still have one left. To quote the Delcaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Our founders considered it a self evident truth that we have the right to overthrow our government when it violates our God given rights. The right to bear arms is there to ensure we have the MEANS to act upon that truth
"Are you seriously suggesting the left wants to take guns away so they can set up a communist state?? Hahaha! That's genius
I am seriously suggesting that anyone who feels that private firearms are a threat to our government isnt fit to be in our government. As for Mao, you really need to a logic class. That tyrant's quote was proof that guns are the ultimate guarantor since it is the one truth even they respect. Maybe you would prefer that I whip out crayons and draw you a picture? Or are you going for an Oscar in the "Leading Moron" category? Well, you have my vote!
As for the rest of the world- have you looked at the rest of the world? (Sesame Street does NOT count) Most human being on this planet live squalid existences under the boot of dictatorships that deny even their right to be a alive. And you call that doing fine?! If my choice is that or neighbors with guns, I will buy them ammunition out of my own pocket!
Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.