I agree completely... I don't know what percentage of time is spent engineering the safety of a car... and I know it's super cool and kitchey to "design your own car" and "3D print it" and stuff, but what happens when someone prints a car that is aerodynamically unstable at 80mph?
"My test drives were all fine... but once I decided to open it up on a country road, I lost control and hit a horse drawn carriage full of people."
There are reasons it takes millions and years to get a car roadworthy.
Also, who's gonna handle the recalls if you share your design with someone else?
I don't always fanboi, but when I do, I prefer to do it to a product/company that actually deserves my fanboi squeals of delight. A Nissan GT-R doesn't seat 4. A Nissan GT-R doesn't run silent. And a Nissan GT-R doesn't deserve my fanboidom.
I can tell you're really proud of what you've got there... good for you. But you completely missed my point. Speed is not the only comparison to be made here... so when I say I'd stack a Tesla up against any car you care to bring out... I mean stack, not race. Make a fair comparison, and you must realize you've been squarely beaten. We're talking about powerful, and silent here, but you go so far as to state that when you straight pipe your car, that you can set off car alarms... as if that somehow disproves my fart-can statement? You've given me nothing but evidence that I'm right. Your had to make your car loud and obnoxious to gain 100hp, while making it illegal in the process. So congratulations on that. It doesn't make your car better.
Here is the reality that faces you, and of which you are terrified: The reason a Tesla costs $90k is because it is new, it is novel, and it is extremely high quality. You can take all of Tesla's technology, and pack it into a 2 seater that weighs 1/3 less. You can skip all the leather and build a cheap plastic car similar in trim and quality to your beloved WRX. In a few years when the Gigafactory is up and running, and batteries get less expensive, it will be possible to build the every-man consumer grade sports car that will absolutely trounce anything that exists today, and will do it for $30k.
I predict that an electric car will set a world record on Pikes Peak in the next 10 years, and that record will never be re-taken by a gas powered vehicle.
It depresses me that it took this long for someone to come up with a sensible answer... I read the article and immediately thought of pump impellers, but everyone above here is still stuck on derezzing.
Does anybody else remember the V10 Viper H-pipe debacle? Wish I had mod points for you, 'cause you are spot on about that. The stupid car was recalled to fix the exhaust design to make it sound better.
Hey that's a great study... but from the abstract, it doesn't look like they controlled for SHIT design factors like poor quartering visibility due to A-pillar design. Have you ever ridden in a Prius? Many hybrid vehicles make compromises in cabin design to gain a bit of mileage, and unless your study is controlling for that, then it's just a whitewash piece.
Additionally, the article didn't control for the self-righteous attitude of most hybrid owners... which certainly must be a contributing factor in auto-pedestrian accidents./s
Noisy cars are for noisy drivers... I've been arguing this point with my brother for years, every time he buys a louder muffler for his 5.9 Grand Cherokee... it never gets any faster, but it perpetually gets louder and worse gas mileage. I think car owners just need to cop to the fact that they want people to look at them, and what better way to do it than to put a loud ass fart pipe on a WRX?
... is that they need to be better than old ones. Not just objectively better, but measurably better. And not just measurably better, but with enough margin as to offset the cost of learning a new language... I'm not going to ditch C++ just to learn D unless someone is paying me to. Show me the money!
I would like to see RS die, and a new store spring up in it's place that sells components, but focuses more on 3D printers than cell phones. XBees rather than pre-packaged RC trucks that break after one use, and Ham antennas rather than TV antennas.... but I doubt that any but the largest cities could even support one of these stores.
In other words, I agree that the maker movement could help... but I seriously doubt there is enough of a movement to support an actual storefront. It's a shame really...
My local RS still carries a lot of that stuff... they built organizer drawers so they could take up much less space than hanging bags on pegboard, but much was still available. Shame, because sometimes you just need a pack of resistors, or a small transformer, and you don't want to deal with shipping and credit cards for something that should cost $1.50.
I will say though, that I saw the writing on the wall when they started stocking cheap consumer electronics and the employees there didn't know where to find the resistors... at that point I'd just waive them off and say I'll find what I need myself... none of them knew anything about electronics anymore.
To see them die now is more of a relief than a sadness... they were dead 5 years ago.
On the spectrum of Capitalism -> Communism, pensions line up behind socialism. When a capitalistic society adopts social programs, they loose a little of their capitalism and slide a little towards socialism.
And for anyone keeping score, the U.S. is NOT a pure capitalistic society, and never has been. We live under "modified capitalism", which is itself a euphemism for "not as socialistic as France."
When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.
How many people were affected by the GM ignition switch failure? I call B.S. It doesn't matter how rare an issue it is, all self driving cars MUST be able to determine when a road is flooded, and all self driving cars must be capable of determining if the road is too slippery to ascend/descend a certain grade. Maybe most people don't tow, so I'll accept that as *my* use case, but the rest are all concerns that EVERY driver must be capable of understanding and subsequently making a choice about, even if infrequently.
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I've been OK with this for my whole life
...so far.
You can't 3D print 1.21 gigawats.
I agree completely... I don't know what percentage of time is spent engineering the safety of a car... and I know it's super cool and kitchey to "design your own car" and "3D print it" and stuff, but what happens when someone prints a car that is aerodynamically unstable at 80mph?
"My test drives were all fine... but once I decided to open it up on a country road, I lost control and hit a horse drawn carriage full of people."
There are reasons it takes millions and years to get a car roadworthy.
Also, who's gonna handle the recalls if you share your design with someone else?
I don't always fanboi, but when I do, I prefer to do it to a product/company that actually deserves my fanboi squeals of delight. A Nissan GT-R doesn't seat 4. A Nissan GT-R doesn't run silent. And a Nissan GT-R doesn't deserve my fanboidom.
I can tell you're really proud of what you've got there... good for you. But you completely missed my point. Speed is not the only comparison to be made here... so when I say I'd stack a Tesla up against any car you care to bring out... I mean stack, not race. Make a fair comparison, and you must realize you've been squarely beaten. We're talking about powerful, and silent here, but you go so far as to state that when you straight pipe your car, that you can set off car alarms... as if that somehow disproves my fart-can statement? You've given me nothing but evidence that I'm right. Your had to make your car loud and obnoxious to gain 100hp, while making it illegal in the process. So congratulations on that. It doesn't make your car better.
Here is the reality that faces you, and of which you are terrified: The reason a Tesla costs $90k is because it is new, it is novel, and it is extremely high quality. You can take all of Tesla's technology, and pack it into a 2 seater that weighs 1/3 less. You can skip all the leather and build a cheap plastic car similar in trim and quality to your beloved WRX. In a few years when the Gigafactory is up and running, and batteries get less expensive, it will be possible to build the every-man consumer grade sports car that will absolutely trounce anything that exists today, and will do it for $30k.
I predict that an electric car will set a world record on Pikes Peak in the next 10 years, and that record will never be re-taken by a gas powered vehicle.
If that were the case, wouldn't the cloning of a certain star ship captain be more prominently featured as a plot device?
It depresses me that it took this long for someone to come up with a sensible answer... I read the article and immediately thought of pump impellers, but everyone above here is still stuck on derezzing.
The noise it needs to make is "wooo wooo" http://youtu.be/zUXow3d3-b0
Does anybody else remember the V10 Viper H-pipe debacle? Wish I had mod points for you, 'cause you are spot on about that. The stupid car was recalled to fix the exhaust design to make it sound better.
Hey that's a great study... but from the abstract, it doesn't look like they controlled for SHIT design factors like poor quartering visibility due to A-pillar design. Have you ever ridden in a Prius? Many hybrid vehicles make compromises in cabin design to gain a bit of mileage, and unless your study is controlling for that, then it's just a whitewash piece.
Additionally, the article didn't control for the self-righteous attitude of most hybrid owners... which certainly must be a contributing factor in auto-pedestrian accidents. /s
I'd stack a Tesla against ANY gas powered car you care to bring out...
http://youtu.be/BJJvhiFINsY (warning... some profane language)
Noisy cars are for noisy drivers... I've been arguing this point with my brother for years, every time he buys a louder muffler for his 5.9 Grand Cherokee... it never gets any faster, but it perpetually gets louder and worse gas mileage. I think car owners just need to cop to the fact that they want people to look at them, and what better way to do it than to put a loud ass fart pipe on a WRX?
... is that they need to be better than old ones. Not just objectively better, but measurably better. And not just measurably better, but with enough margin as to offset the cost of learning a new language... I'm not going to ditch C++ just to learn D unless someone is paying me to. Show me the money!
Steam is manythings including spyware, malware, and even a rootkit.
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I would like to see RS die, and a new store spring up in it's place that sells components, but focuses more on 3D printers than cell phones. XBees rather than pre-packaged RC trucks that break after one use, and Ham antennas rather than TV antennas.... but I doubt that any but the largest cities could even support one of these stores.
In other words, I agree that the maker movement could help... but I seriously doubt there is enough of a movement to support an actual storefront. It's a shame really...
My local RS still carries a lot of that stuff... they built organizer drawers so they could take up much less space than hanging bags on pegboard, but much was still available. Shame, because sometimes you just need a pack of resistors, or a small transformer, and you don't want to deal with shipping and credit cards for something that should cost $1.50.
I will say though, that I saw the writing on the wall when they started stocking cheap consumer electronics and the employees there didn't know where to find the resistors... at that point I'd just waive them off and say I'll find what I need myself... none of them knew anything about electronics anymore.
To see them die now is more of a relief than a sadness... they were dead 5 years ago.
It's for detecting masturbation.
... they have a patent for waving?
tell that to the theoretical physicists.
ha ha ha... I wish this wasn't already modded at 5 so I could mod it up some more!
So you're asking for "resoluteware?"
On the spectrum of Capitalism -> Communism, pensions line up behind socialism. When a capitalistic society adopts social programs, they loose a little of their capitalism and slide a little towards socialism.
And for anyone keeping score, the U.S. is NOT a pure capitalistic society, and never has been. We live under "modified capitalism", which is itself a euphemism for "not as socialistic as France."
... it's full of stupid.
Queue obligatory Monty Python reference:
When I first came here, this was all swamp. Everyone said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the strongest castle in all of England.
How many people were affected by the GM ignition switch failure? I call B.S. It doesn't matter how rare an issue it is, all self driving cars MUST be able to determine when a road is flooded, and all self driving cars must be capable of determining if the road is too slippery to ascend/descend a certain grade. Maybe most people don't tow, so I'll accept that as *my* use case, but the rest are all concerns that EVERY driver must be capable of understanding and subsequently making a choice about, even if infrequently.
...can only be defeated by distributed service. If your service comes from everywhere, then it's a zero sum game, and the attackers will give up.
Other acceptable answers include:
Take away the incentive... why are DDos's happening in the first place? Fame? Money? LOLz? Maybe you can't take away that third one.