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Four Facepalm Bugs In USPS Label-Printing Site

"The United States Postal Service "Click-N-Ship" site suffered no outages or slowdowns during Christmas rush," writes Bennett Haselton. "It just has bugs that make the process more annoying than just standing in line at the post office, which defeats the purpose. The most frustrating part is that most of these bugs could have been fixed, just by having some testers run through the ordering process and make a note of anything that seems confusing or wrong. (Although I've included notes on how to work around all the bugs, so you really can print your own labels and skip the line.)" Read on for the rest; what other gripes do you have about the current package delivery regime, and how would you resolve them? This suggestion on the LifeProTips subreddit reminded me that I'd been meaning to try printing my own USPS mailing labels to skip the lines at the post office. I'd been putting it off because I knew that I'd be determined to find the most efficient way of doing everything through the site, and if the site didn't steer me towards exactly the best options, I'd end up forcing myself to reverse-engineer their whole algorithm in order to find the most efficient way myself. That's why I always appreciate it when a website just tells me the best option instead of making me second-guess them.

Right away, the USPS website failed that test because it does not allow you to print first-class mail labels, instead steering you towards the more expensive Priority Mail and Priority Mail Express options. Online users have complained about the lack of first-class-mail options on USPS.com for years, and users on several forums suggested using the PayPal Ship Now site instead, which does let you print first class mailing labels online, along with Priority Mail labels other options.

In my case it was a moot point because I had to use the Priority Mail labels in order for my packages to arrive by Christmas, but the deception was still hugely aggravating. Not just because of the thought of millions of people wasting money (and the finite resources of the postal system) due to the USPS site tricking them into a more expensive upgrade that they didn't need. But because it now meant I'd have to second-guess every recommendation they made, wondering if they were steering me toward something that was worse for me and better for them. The reason sites like Amazon are so stress-free to use is because, for the most part, they do display the options that are best for you, even at the expense of their own short-term profit. Some third-party merchant is selling a book for less than Amazon's list price? They'll let the seller list the book right on their site and undercut Amazon's own sales. The benefit to the user is not just the cost savings, but knowing that you don't have to feel like a chump for not wasting time on search engines trying to find a cheaper deal.

Once I realized the USPS site was concealing the cheaper options, in my determination to avoid getting ripped off by the USPS I almost ended up getting ripped off much worse by one of their "partners". I remembered an ad on a Google search mentioning Stamps.com, so I signed up for an account there and downloaded their software, which does in fact let you print first-class postage. It was only after reading a warning in the original subreddit that I realized I had unwittingly "agreed" to a $15.99/month charge. It turns out that the Stamps.com registration page says above the credit card form that your card info is "required to purchase postage", but this is misleading -- the fine print in the sidebar says you will be charged $15.99 per month if you don't cancel. (And neither the software nor the website gives you a link to cancel -- you have to call their customer service number.) Fortunately, I did call and cancel after realizing I'd been duped, but I was not surprised to learn on Wikipedia that the company had been the subject of over 1,000 Better Business Bureau complaints from users regarding the unauthorized monthly charges. (The part on Wikipedia about "long hold times" is out of date, though -- the automated prompts recognized my account by my phone number and let me cancel without any waiting.)

What does that have to do with USPS.com? Because it never would have happened if the USPS website had been on my side in the first place, giving me all the mailing options that I actually needed. It's bad enough when a private company does this, but the USPS works for us, don't they?

So that's not a "bug" in the traditional sense, but I'm counting it: #1: Not giving users all the mailing options they want to know about.

Most of the other bugs are not self-serving tricks; rather, they're just unclear directions where you have to pause and puzzle out what you're really supposed to do, which is different from what the site tells you to do. For example:

#2: Listing boxes as shipping options that don't fit the dimensions that you've already entered

On the label printing page (requires a USPS.com login if you don't have one) is the option to enter package dimensions. If you specify package details of 1 lbs and 13x5x6 inches, and click to calculate "available Services and Prices" based on the details you've entered, you're presented with a list of options that include 'Priority Mail Flat Rate Envelope 12-1/2" x 9-1/2"', 'Priority Mail Small Flat Rate Box 5-3/8" x 8-5/8" x 1-5/8"', 'Priority Mail Medium Flat Rate Box 11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2"', 'Priority Mail Medium Flat Rate Box 13-5/8" x 11-7/8" x 3-3/8"', and 'Priority Mail Padded Flat Rate Envelope 9-1/2" x 12-1/2"' -- all of which, of course, are too small to hold the package whose dimensions you just specified.

You could argue that it's the user's responsibility to make sure their package fits into the box they select, but a user could reasonably assume that the whole point of entering the length, width and height is so that the USPS can recommend only those boxes that will hold the item. Remember, the user usually doesn't have these boxes in front of them at the time they're printing the label. They could end up selecting a box option, printing the label, taking it all the way to the post office along with their package, only to find out that the package doesn't fit into the box that they printed the label for, and that they have to wait in line anwyay to pay for an alternate method.

It's a middle-school-level programming exercise to take the length, width, and height of a package as an input, take as a second input a list of boxes of varying lengths, widths, heights, and costs, and find the lowest-cost box that will hold the package (keeping in mind that the package can be rotated to different orientations so that the "height" becomes the "width", etc.). It's reasonable to expect the postal service to be able to do this too.

#3: Everything wrong with the "print your labels" page

Here's a screen grab of the "print your labels" page that appears after you've paid, which you can use to play the Highlights "What's Wrong?" game:

  • The text at the top says "You'll have until 11:59 PM CST of the Ship Date to print these labels." OK, but if I print them at 11:59 PM, what good does it do if the post office closed at 6? Are the labels only valid on the ship date, or will they still work if I take them to the post office the next day? This should be more clear.

  • Text says "A SCAN Form must be printed when taking packages to the Post Office." Fine, but there's a checkbox next to that sentence. If that sentence describes a postal regulation, what does it mean if I un-check the box? That the regulation no longer applies to me? Can someone tell me if the drug laws work that way as well?

  • The next sentence says: "Close out and print your SCAN Form here." I have no idea what that sentence means. Close out of the browser? And where is "here"? When it's not hyperlinked, "here" means here.

  • WHY IS THE "PRINT LABELS" BUTTON DISABLED?? I have the checkboxes checked for both labels. I want to print them. What else do you want me to DO? (My PC has a printer, which the Chrome browser is aware of -- it lets me print from other webpages with no problem.) I got it to work by saving the PDF and printing that, but I never figured out why the Print button was just sitting there, mocking me from behind its veil of grey.

  • The "Schedule a Pickup" button at the bottom -- same problem as the "print until 11:59 PM" message at the top. Since I printed these labels with the ship date specified as today, it should be more clear if the labels will still be considered valid tomorrow, which is the soonest time that a pickup could be scheduled.

#4: Over an hour on hold and never got through.

As an adherent to the touchingly quaint notion that a reporter should talk to the subjects of their story before running it, and also because I just wanted clarification on some of these questions, I called the USPS help line and waited on hold for 30 minutes before their help line disconnected me. I called back and waited for another 40 minutes before I hung up this time. OK, strictly speaking that's not a "bug". They just suck.

In the end, after reverse-engineering their pricing options as I had vowed to do, I determined what appeared to be their rules, (applies only to domestic Priority Mail), which you may find handy:

  • If you're shipping in a Flat Rate box, the weight of the package doesn't matter (up to the 70 lb limit), only the dimensions, to the extent that they determine which Flat Rate box you can fit it into, with the bigger ones being more expensive.
  • On the other hand, if you pick the Priority Mail "Use your own box" option, then the dimensions don't matter (unless you exceed the allowed limits), only the weight -- a 5 lb, 3"x3"x3" package and a 5 lb, 21"x21"x21" package both ship for $15.22, but if you change the weight, that's when the price changes. (If you try to ship a 22"x22"x22" package, you get an error that you've exceeded the dimensions for a Click-N-Ship.)

Using this, I was able to strategically break my one shipment, which would have cost about $30, into two separate shipments which cost $12 and $8. All told, with the effort to reverse-engineer their pricing options and to document all of the bugs for posterity, it took me about an hour to figure out that $10 savings and to print labels that I could take to the post office and skip the line -- which, it turned out, looked only about 3 minutes long -- in order to experience what one redditor described as "feeling the hate from the people standing in line as I casually stroll up and drop my packages off at the front desk". But the important thing is, I did it efficiently.

182 comments

  1. Christmas break is over! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hallelujah! Bennett's back! My life has meaning once more.

    1. Re:Christmas break is over! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't Hassel the Hoff.

    2. Re: Christmas break is over! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I, for one, would like to thank this frequent contributor for sharing his thoughts!

      It seems like just yester decade I was thinking about mailing something. I probably would have considered this label printing site and fallen victim to these same problems!!!

      Bennett truly is a saint.

    3. Re:Christmas break is over! by rgbscan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So of these 4 "facepalm bugs", none are actually bugs - but less then stellar user experience issues? The headline itself is a facepalm.

    4. Re:Christmas break is over! by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hallelujah! Bennett's back! My life has meaning once more.

      Yea, I keep wondering why they allow him to post... is he paying them? I don't get it. Everyone hates his articles (even more than mine!) and they're rarely interesting topics to begin with... then you see Bennetts wall of text and you're like "I'm not reading that much text about this stupid of a topic"

      Can someone please please make these stop?

    5. Re:Christmas break is over! by gigne · · Score: 2

      Such arse gravy.

      This is irrelevant non-news/non-story of the lowest kind.

      You make we want to go back to the childish squabbling of the peoples front of soylent (splitters) forever.

      Please, just make it stop.

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    6. Re:Christmas break is over! by darkain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This depends on the company you work for.

      I've worked in some where something as simple as a typo in spelling or grammar is classification for submitting a bug report to developers.

      User Interface and User Experience should definitely be classified as bugs.

    7. Re:Christmas break is over! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The worst posting I've ever read on /.
      Bennett seems so stupid I'm amazed he hasn't driven a car over himself yet.

    8. Re:Christmas break is over! by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I always though the 140 char limit on twitter was a stupid thing. Why reduce the amount that someone has to say? But now I understand.

    9. Re:Christmas break is over! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I may have to revise my atheist views; 15 mod points AND a Bennett Hasselton blogvertisement on /. Happy, happy day! :-D

    10. Re:Christmas break is over! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apologies, a frequent contributor Bennett Hasselton blogvertisement...

    11. Re:Christmas break is over! by CAOgdin · · Score: 2

      More likely the USPS attitude that pervades: "We Don't Care!"

    12. Re:Christmas break is over! by sjames · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is a button on the left front of your mouse. Don't press it and your troubles are over.

    13. Re:Christmas break is over! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhhh! Don't give him any ideas, he might post about it here!

    14. Re:Christmas break is over! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      "User Experience" should definitely be classified a bug.

      FTFY.

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    15. Re:Christmas break is over! by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Less than stellar user experience IS a bug. Bugs are not limited to "Object reference not set to an instance of object" errors that mean nothing to anyone.

  2. Crap Crap Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Get this crap off the front page.

  3. My God... by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... it's full of stupid.

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    1. Re:My God... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the 'these-used-to-be-funny-once' tags are starting to just get pathetic. What happened to this place?

    2. Re:My God... by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Informative

      What, are you gonna claim that calling a telephone number during the holiday season to ask stupid questions, and instead sitting on hold for an hour... isn't part of using a website?!

      The most informative part of the strange person blog post is, "it took me about an hour to figure out that $10 savings and to print labels that I could take to the post office and skip the line -- which, it turned out, looked only about 3 minutes long -- in order to experience what one redditor..."

      Short version: Shipping labels are hard for this guy, the USPS still had short lines during the holiday season, printing your own labels using label software is easier than using a website (duh), and this moron mostly reads reddit, not slashdot.

    3. Re:My God... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Informative

      Makes me wonder if timothy is stupid. Gawd that was just awful .

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    4. Re:My God... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drop him where? A pit of fire I would hope, or perhaps some rusty spikes?

    5. Re:My God... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Petition Not Available"
      "The content of this petition is under review."
      My God, Bennet Got to them too!

    6. Re:My God... by chihowa · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know he reads the comments because he's responded to things before, so you have to wonder why he keeps posting stuff here. It's like the pathetic loser who keeps hanging out with people that constantly abuse him. It's not even funny anymore; it's just sad.

      What's he getting out of this?

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    7. Re:My God... by Merk42 · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's he getting out of this?

      Attention

    8. Re:My God... by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      If you need help understanding the issues timothy raised, I suggest reading "The Design of Everyday Things" by Donald A. Norman.

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    9. Re:My God... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      I don't need help understanding, many of the points were ... not really points. Being Pointless, there is no understanding to be had.

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    10. Re:My God... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Once you stop trying to understand, in that moment understanding will arrive.

    11. Re:My God... by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Maybe he can't tell the difference between insults and friendly banter between good friends disguised as sarcastic insults?

    12. Re:My God... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell modded this down? OK the petition has been pulled, but the intention was there. This affront has been redressed.

    13. Re:My God... by bennetthaselton · · Score: 0

      Small point, I was the author who raised the issues, Timothy was the editor who posted article that I wrote. I haven't read that book though, thanks for the pointer.

    14. Re:My God... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I also have interesting, well considered thoughts I wish to share with Slashdot. Then I thought, well, Bennett Haselton does it. So can I!

      Then I looked through the firehose, and I didn't see your recent posting there. It appears the default method of submitting stories isn't the successful way to go.

      So, I must ask: How do I go about getting my writings posted on Slashdot like you?

    15. Re:My God... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple weeks ago, while browsing around the library downtown, I had to take a piss. As I entered the john, Bennett Haselton -- the messiah himself -- came out of one of the booths. I stood at the urinal looking at him out of the corner of my eye as he washed his hands. He didn't once look at me. He was busy and in any case I was sure he wouldn't even acknowledge a mere mortal like me.

      As soon as he left I darted into the booth he'd vacated, hoping there might be a lingering smell of shit and even a seat still warm from his sturdy ass. I found not only the smell but the shit itself. He'd forgotten to flush. And what a treasure he had left behind. Three or four beautiful specimens floated in the bowl. It apparently had been a fairly dry, constipated shit, for all were fat, stiff, and ruggedly textured. The real prize was a great feast of turd -- a nine inch gastrointestinal triumph as thick as his cock -- or at least as I imagined it!

      I knelt before the bowl, inhaling the rich brown fragrance and wondered if I should obey the impulse building up inside me. I've been on the internet a long time, but Bennett Haselton is the first real Voice of the Internet, bringing new for nerds and stuff that matters back to Slashdot! Of course I'd had fantasies of meeting him, sucking his cock and balls, not to mention sucking his asshole clean, but I never imagined I would have the chance. Now, here I was, confronted with the most beautiful five-pound turd I'd ever feasted my eyes on, a sausage fit to star in any fantasy and one I knew to have been hatched from the asshole of Bennett Haselton, the chosen one.

      Why not? I plucked it from the bowl, holding it with both hands to keep it from breaking. I lifted it to my nose. It smelled like rich, ripe limburger (horrid, but thrilling), yet had the consistency of cheddar. What is cheese anyway but milk turning to shit without the benefit of a digestive tract?

      I gave it a lick and found that it tasted better then it smelled.

      I hesitated no longer. I shoved the fucking thing as far into my mouth as I could get it and sucked on it like a big half nigger cock, beating my meat like a madman. I wanted to completely engulf it and bit off a large chunk, flooding my mouth with the intense, bittersweet flavor. To my delight I found that while the water in the bowl had chilled the outside of the turd, it was still warm inside. As I chewed I discovered that it was filled with hard little bits of something I soon identified as peanuts. He hadn't chewed them carefully and they'd passed through his body virtually unchanged. I ate it greedily, sending lump after peanutty lump sliding scratchily down my throat. My only regret was that Bennett Haselton wasn't there to see my loyalty and wash it down with his piss.

      I soon reached a terrific climax. I caught my cum in the cupped palm of my hand and drank it down. Believe me, there is no more delightful combination of flavors than the hot sweetness of cum with the rich bitterness of shit. It's even better than reading one of Bennett's articles!

      Afterwards I was sorry that I hadn't made it last longer. But then I realized that I still had a lot of fun in store for me. There was still a clutch of virile turds left in the bowl. I tenderly fished them out, rolled them into my handkerchief, and stashed them in my briefcase. In the week to come I found all kinds of ways to eat the shit without bolting it right down. Once eaten it's gone forever unless you want to filch it third hand out of your own asshole. Not an unreasonable recourse in moments of desperation or simple boredom.

      I stored the turds in the refrigerator when I was not using them but within a week they were all gone. The last one I held in my mouth without chewing, letting it slowly dissolve. I had liquid shit trickling down my throat for nearly four hours. I must have had six orgasms in the process.

      I often think of Bennett Haselton dropping solid gold out of his sweet, pink asshole every day, never knowing what joy it could, and at least once did, bring to a grateful Slashdot reader.

  4. Hey Bennett, by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you asked to be made an editor on Slashdot, so you can post your own stories -- and those that don't want to read your crap can just filter you out instead of filling up the comment sections with complaints like mine?

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    1. Re: Hey Bennett, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The editing here is atrocious.

      The article starts with:

      "The United States Postal Service "Click-N-Ship" site suffered no outages or slowdowns during Christmas rush," writes Bennett Haselton.

      It should obviously be:

      "The United States Postal Service "Click-N-Ship" site suffered no outages or slowdowns during Christmas rush," writes frequent contributor Bennett Haselton.

      Come on, editors! Do it right!

    2. Re:Hey Bennett, by Enry · · Score: 3, Informative

      I moderated your comment incorrectly, so I'm going to fix that now. You're completely correct.

    3. Re:Hey Bennett, by sootman · · Score: 0

      I don't think he even knows this site has comments. Or that it's a website at all. He probably thinks he's just singing into a can.

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    4. Re:Hey Bennett, by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 0

      Do you also object to the development of adblockers? After all, if you are too lazy to move your eyeball one inch down the page to avoid them, aren't we being enablers by blocking them?

      How about e-mail spam filters? If you're too lazy to press the delete button, aren't we being enablers by filtering out the Viagra spam from your inbox?

      Slashdot has story filters for a reason -- people prefer to automatically get rid of the things you're not interested in. Why do you want to force people to see your nonsense?

      Maybe you should write an essay about why you think that your stuff is so much more important than any other author who is posting things to Slashdot. After all, you seem to be good at writing long, boring screeds that nobody reads.

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    5. Re:Hey Bennett, by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 0

      You're not answering the question. It doesn't matter if the Slashdot mob is too stupid to understand the brilliance that is Bennett Haselton. If some subset of them don't want to see your articles cluttering up their Slashdot homepage, why are you so insistent that they should not be able to choose to filter them out?

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    6. Re:Hey Bennett, by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, I should point out:

      ... I often run the ideas past smart people whose opinions I respect ... If a representative sampling of smart people agree ...

      You're giving your article to people "whose opinions [you] respect." The chances that those people form a "representative sampling of smart people" is quite low. Most likely, they are going to be people that are already predisposed to agree with your opinions. Of course they approve of your articles more than the general public -- you're getting your feedback from an echo chamber.

      Given how pretentious your reply was, I would think you would have seen an error that glaring.

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    7. Re:Hey Bennett, by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      Because people can filter me out anyway by not reading articles with my byline. If someone is too lazy to move their eyeball one inch down the page, aren't we being enablers by accomodating them?

      FFS, you are a cunt.

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    8. Re:Hey Bennett, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's clear that they know you're unpopular, and they're just fucking with everyone:

      "The United States Postal Service "Click-N-Ship" site suffered no outages or slowdowns during Christmas rush," writes Bennett Haselton. "It just has bugs that make the process more annoying than just standing in line at the post office, which defeats the purpose. [bullshit continues for another 1,872 words]"

      vs.

      Bennett Haselton writes:
      "The United States Postal Service "Click-N-Ship" site suffered no outages or slowdowns during Christmas rush. It just has bugs that make the process more annoying than just standing in line at the post office, which defeats the purpose. [bullshit continues for another 1,872 words]"

      Which is easier to ignore?

    9. Re:Hey Bennett, by bennetthaselton · · Score: 0

      What do you think is the point of journalism? To give the people what they want? I think it's to pursue the objective truth, and then present what you've found.

    10. Re:Hey Bennett, by bennetthaselton · · Score: 0

      Actually, that's a good point, so let me be more precise -- the people whose opinion I seek out tend to be very good at mathematical and logical reasoning, which is an objective (albeit incomplete) measure of their intelligence, independent of any biases of mine. Generally, the better people are at math, the more they think that the arguments I raise are interesting (which is not to say they always agree).

      I'm not talking about people who got good math grades in school, I'm talking about people who did well in extra-curricular math-like activities that expanded your mind beyond the default curriculum. (And if you are in fact good at math in that sense, well, good for you -- I said it was a general trend, not a universal law.)

    11. Re:Hey Bennett, by Reibisch · · Score: 2

      I don't often comment. Colour me part of the silent somethingority on pretty much everything slashdot-related. Take that as you will.

      But I'd like you to be clear: your position is that your 'representative sampling of smart people' (selection bias, much?) is a better judge than the 'crowd of Internet commenters' (who are also your desired readership), and thus if your 'smart' sample approves of your opinions, then you must believe your readership is just a bunch of club-swinging neanderthals who aren't erudite enough to appreciate your drivel and thus need your guiding light to navigate the darkness? Am I getting that right?

    12. Re:Hey Bennett, by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2

      You're still dancing around the question. Which makes me think that you know that your position is indefensible, and you don't want to admit it.

      If you really believe that your articles on the bugs in the USPS website are so important that people should not be allowed to filter them out of their Slashdot newsfeed, then say so. You'll sound like an idiot, but at least you'll be an honest idiot.

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    13. Re:Hey Bennett, by bennetthaselton · · Score: 1

      Well I already clarified to the other poster that my sample of "smart people" is based on how well they do at math and logical reasoning (real outside-the-box stuff, not just getting good math grades in school), which is objectively measurable and not subject to my biases.

      So, given that, what do you think? If someone puts forth a contrarian argument X, and the argument is considered interesting by a majority of people who are above a certain threshold in math ability, but everyone else reacts negatively, what do you think is reasonable to conclude about argument X?

    14. Re:Hey Bennett, by bennetthaselton · · Score: 0

      What do you think makes an article "important"?

      I think an idea is important if it describes a way to achieve a huge gain at a proportionally much smaller cost. Fixing these bugs would fit that criterion, since they're bugs on a government website that is used by millions of people.

      Now, you might argue that even if I'm right, the information is useless to you because you don't do a lot of mailing, and because there's nothing you can do about the situation anyway even after reading about it. But that's also true of virtually all news articles -- not practically useful to the reader, and nothing you can do to impact the events described. So back to the original question: What do you think makes an article "important"?

    15. Re:Hey Bennett, by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1

      Poor fellow. My best advice to you: Do not go to France!

    16. Re:Hey Bennett, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not the point, you know that's not the point, and your response intentionally trolls people with valid concerns.

      WHY can't you just post these articles to your own blog, and then submit the link to Slashdot? Why do your articles NEED to be on Slashdot?

    17. Re:Hey Bennett, by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Still dancing, I see.

      im-port-tant - "of great significance or value; likely to have a profound effect on success, survival, or well-being."

      Sounds like a pretty good definition to me. You could type "define: important" into Google too, you know.

      If an article has great significance or value or is profound, it is important. Importance is a sliding scale, but I'll give you a hint: not a single one of your articles is important enough to justify denying people the ability to filter them out if they choose to do so. Do you seriously dispute that?

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    18. Re:Hey Bennett, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My objection is not that it's difficult to skip your stories. My objection is that journalism is considered important enough to be printed directly in the Slashdot stories, instead of off-site. I don't understand why your opinions and research have this distinction, whereas other journalists do not. Why are your articles printed here instead of your own blog?

      I am genuinely curious if you have a contract with, or are employed with, Slashdot. Or, does your company have some sort of affiliate relationship with Slashdot? Can you at least explain the nature of your arrangement of Slashdot? Having these facts clearly stated might actually help reduce the mud-slinging at you (and/or the editors).

      I don't hate you, Bennett. I think you should be allowed to share your articles somewhere, but not directly in a Slashdot post, and it's not because I need to exert extra effort to skip them.

    19. Re:Hey Bennett, by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      Well I already clarified to the other poster that my sample of "smart people" is based on how well they do at math and logical reasoning (real outside-the-box stuff, not just getting good math grades in school), which is objectively measurable and not subject to my biases.

      Do you seriously expect us to believe that you are selecting a statistically representative sample of people who have high, objectively measured, skills at math and logical reasoning? If so, please explain how you do this.

      But your statement "I often run the ideas past smart people whose opinions I respect" suggests to me that you are relying on the input of people that you know, and probably know fairly well given that you are soliciting their opinions on your work. A sample of people who are in your social circle is going to be, by its very nature, incredibly biased.

      In the face of that, your argument that somehow the majority of your audience must be wrong kind of falls apart.

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      How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
    20. Re:Hey Bennett, by bennetthaselton · · Score: 1

      OK it was incorrect to call it a "representative sample". What I meant is within my social circle, some people think I'm right and some people think I'm wrong, and the people who are good at math tend to be more likely to think I'm right.

      That cannot be explained by (a) me only picking friends who agree with me; or (b) me intimidating people into pretending to agree with me; or (c) my personal charisma [**snort**] charming people around me into agreeing with me; because if any of those were the cause, then my non-mathlete friends would agree with me too -- and they don't, at least not as much.

      Suppose you make an argument, and you've found that your argument is unpopular, and you want to know whether that's because the argument really lacks merit, or if it's because only mathematically inclined people are likely to understand the argument. I submit that the best way to tell the difference (assuming you lack the resources of a polling company) is to ask your mathematically inclined friends, and see if they like your argument better than everyone else. How else would you do it?

    21. Re:Hey Bennett, by bennetthaselton · · Score: 0

      Yes. When a website used by millions of people can save each user a few dollars' worth of aggravation (and a few dollars' worth of dollars) by making a few simple changes, that's important.

    22. Re:Hey Bennett, by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2

      Well, I guess that's that then. Like I said, you sound like an idiot, but at least you've confirmed your position now.

      Just about everybody who writes something thinks that their work is important, but very few have the nerve to claim that readers should not be allowed to ignore their writing. I invite you to consider the logical conclusion (since you claim to place a premium on logical thinking) of what happens if everybody thinks like you do.

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      How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
    23. Re:Hey Bennett, by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      That cannot be explained by (a) me only picking friends who agree with me; or (b) me intimidating people into pretending to agree with me; or (c) my personal charisma [**snort**] charming people around me into agreeing with me; because if any of those were the cause, then my non-mathlete friends would agree with me too -- and they don't, at least not as much.

      An obvious explanation, and the one that I suspect is actually correct, is that your perception of your friends is wrong -- you actually respect the opinions of the people that share your opinions, not the ones who are good at math. Very likely the "smart" people that don't share your opinions are the ones that you're less likely to associate with, and so there are probably fewer of them within your circle of friends.

      Another obvious explanation is that you choose your "smart" friends with different criteria than your "not-so-smart" friends. For instance, say you met the majority of your "smart" friends through academic pursuits, and your "not-so-smart" friends through recreational pursuits. Of course generalizing anything based on the "smart" group to the entire group would not be valid.

      Fundamentally, drawing general conclusions about an entire population based on observations of people in your social circle is not going to give valid results, no matter how you try to justify it. If you don't understand that, I'd suggest getting one of your "smart" friends to explain it to you.

      How else would you do it?

      Well, you could submit the article to a large community of relatively intelligent people who actually do form a representative subset of your audience, and then get your feedback from them.

      Oh, wait. That's what you do. And by and large, those few who read them dislike it. And virtually everyone dislikes the presentation.

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      How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
    24. Re:Hey Bennett, by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      This one didn't have your byline, or the traditional "From Slashdot long-time contributor Bennett Haselton"-like opening. I skimmed the summary, and didn't realize who'd written it until I saw the wall of text.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    25. Re:Hey Bennett, by CptChipJew · · Score: 2

      You've missed the point entirely. The real question is, why do you feel your writing is more important than other editors of the site? I'd be shocked if neither you nor /. had the idea of making you a proper site editor. /. lets us filter out editors. Why? It doesn't matter. What matters is that not you nor anybody else should be able to skirt past such filters.

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    26. Re:Hey Bennett, by bennetthaselton · · Score: 0

      Actually that's the first time anyone asked that specific question, and the answer is: Nobody ever constructed a plan such that all the editors should have editor accounts (which, among other things, lets people filter out their stories), but my stories would be run under other people's accounts instead of my own so that there was no way to filter them out, because they were deemed "too important". Instead, I don't have an editor account because I'm not an editor, and when people suggest making me an editor so they can filter out my stories, the answer is always that we're not going to pander to people who are too lazy to just skip the stories themselves.

    27. Re:Hey Bennett, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, come clean. How are you getting your articles on this site? Are you paying for it?

    28. Re:Hey Bennett, by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      Actually that's the first time anyone asked that specific question, and the answer is: Nobody ever constructed a plan such that all the editors should have editor accounts (which, among other things, lets people filter out their stories), but my stories would be run under other people's accounts instead of my own so that there was no way to filter them out, because they were deemed "too important". Instead, I don't have an editor account because I'm not an editor, and when people suggest making me an editor so they can filter out my stories, the answer is always that we're not going to pander to people who are too lazy to just skip the stories themselves.

      You're demonstrating a lack of familiarity with Slashdot here. The whole reason why the "filter by posting editor" feature was introduced in the first place was so that people could filter out articles posted by a particular "editor" (Jon Katz) who had about the same reception here that you do. Making you an editor so people can filter out the drivel isn't "pandering" to anyone -- it's allowing a particular feature of the website to work as designed. Didn't you just post an article about a website that doesn't work as it should?

      The word "editor" on Slashdot doesn't actually mean someone who edits anything, as anyone who has ever read the Slashdot front page is well aware.

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      How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
    29. Re:Hey Bennett, by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      What makes you think an email is spam?

      Again, you're a selfish cunt. At least let the rest of us be selfish cunts by being able to filter out your crap.

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      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
    30. Re:Hey Bennett, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, jackass, have you considered simply not reading and commenting on stories you aren't interested in?

  5. It's the post office by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing is done for the convenience of the user. Why should the website be any different?

    And, for the record, if you can't figure out the USPS website you're an idiot. All these idiosyncrasies have been around for as long as I can remember on their site, and yet we ship out stuff all the time with the system.

    I feel like I've just been trolled by BH.

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    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
    1. Re:It's the post office by DigitAl56K · · Score: 1

      And, for the record, if you can't figure out the USPS website you're an idiot. All these idiosyncrasies have been around for as long as I can remember on their site, and yet we ship out stuff all the time with the system.

      So you're saying because you're a regular user, who is used to their crappy website that they haven't bothered to fix in ages, everyone else who doesn't know all the pitfalls should just suck it up?

      Wouldn't it be nice if someone pointed out all the pitfalls for people who aren't regular users of USPS.com but might have an occasional need to ship something and might try it in future? I wonder where we could find such information...

    2. Re:It's the post office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Wouldn't it be nice"

      No.

    3. Re:It's the post office by Ksevio · · Score: 2, Informative

      But there's a whole stupid section on how he "reverse engineered" the prices. Perhaps he did this by clicking the "Calculate Postage" link and filling out the form? It's spelled out pretty clearly how flat rate vs normal postage works.

    4. Re:It's the post office by honestmonkey · · Score: 2

      I agree that it would be nice if a real person, and not just a postal employee, or worse, just the programmer(s) involved, actually tried to use the site and give suggestions ("This may mean something to YOU, but I speak English, not Postalese"). And over the holidays I did use and get frustrated with their site. Mostly because I would say "Hey give me a label" and go through all the stuff and it would drop back to the beginning a number of times before I could actually print out the labels. But I never had all the errors he's talking about, so I can't say how broken the site is; it was better than going and standing in line at the post office.

      Getting slapped with a ruler was better than getting hit with a brick, I guess?

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      Everything you know is wrong, Just forget the words and sing along.
    5. Re:It's the post office by R.Mo_Robert · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And, for the record, if you can't figure out the USPS website you're an idiot. All these idiosyncrasies have been around for as long as I can remember on their site, and yet we ship out stuff all the time with the system.

      So how, exactly, do you use their website to print first-class postage, then? (I don't; I use PayPal and don't even bother with their site anymore. That's not an excuse for them, however.)

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      R.Mo
    6. Re:It's the post office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed, I fell into this same trap last year when I needed to ship out several packages. The USPS website is so confusing it's almost deliberately deceptive. I fell for every issue the OP mentions and ended up paying way more than I needed to. The USPS should be ashamed of themselves, and they need to fire the toddlers who designed their site and hire some professional developers and designers.

      In addition to all of the problems with the website, I fell into another UX trap that ended up costing me money. When I got fed up enough to take my stuff to my local post office, the ladies directed me to the stack of flat rate boxes in the corner of the lobby. We had a little "Who's on first" routine. The flat rate boxes have "Priority mail" (or priority mail express) stamped on them in very large letters, with "flat rate" printed in little letters in the bottom corner. It took me some back and forth with the clerk who didn't hide the fact she thought I was as stupid as they get, before I figured out that the priority mail boxes and the priority mail flat rate boxes are not interchangeable. If there are two stacks of boxes that both have "priority mail" printed on them, which one will you grab?

    7. Re:It's the post office by wilson_c · · Score: 1

      Just because you understand these longstanding issues doesn't make them fine. The fact is our company explicitly doesn't use USPS for anything other than first class stamped letters because of this confusion. Doing business with them meant that people constantly had to waste time fielding internal questions about exactly these sorts of problems. Our solution was simple: UPS and Fedex now get all of our shipping business and no one has to deal with the crappy vendor anymore.

    8. Re:It's the post office by psm321 · · Score: 1

      And he didn't even have to do that (though the calculator is convenient, he implied that it was something hiding information form him). It took me http://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300...

    9. Re:It's the post office by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      and hire some professional developers and designers.

      Such as the professionals who redid the NBC and CNN web sites?

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      We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
    10. Re:It's the post office by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the record, if you can't figure out how to fix the idiosyncrasies on your site which have been around for as long as Overzeetop can remember, you're an idiot.

      Also Overzeetop is an idiot for defending their policy of not bothering to fix problems.

    11. Re:It's the post office by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      You dont. They dont want you to print first class postage online. It is not very cost effective, and it is not like they have competition for first class. Calling something they used to do, and they dont want to do now, a bug is beyond crazy.

  6. Free Market by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's not "deception", it's Innovative Marketing, you commie!

  7. These are features, not bugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the government. These are features, not bugs.

    Okay okay it's "independent" buts it's still the government.

  8. Re:Oh God NO! by HornWumpus · · Score: 0

    He needs a curbstomp.

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    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  9. "defeats the purpose" -- not at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, no, websites annoying the customer more than it would standing in line actually does not defeat the purpose. Government bureaucracies don't give a hoot whether you're annoyed or not. Maybe the more the better, I don't know. This is the same thing the world over. If it's quiet they're nice and helpful in that curiously sedated pace that you just don't see in commercial shops. If it's not quiet they'll be exactly the same and you will steadily move up in line, no matter how long it is, until it's your turn or it's closing time, whichever comes first. No. Exceptions.

    They don't care. They don't have to care. They're the government agency's company.

    So no, no purpose was defeated that day. Website annoying you? So much the better for successfully retaining that authentic "we don't care" feel online, too. It's practically part of the branding. Perhaps it's an UPU requirement, who knows.

    The only real purpose is that shunting people off to talk to machines using their own machines and internet connection saves on the number of staff having to face the public in person and thereby on the need to retain facilities where this can happen. That is all.

  10. USPS direction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    About the same time the ridiculous mandate was placed on the USPS to forward fund all their employees' benefits for the next 50 years, my local Post Office in the heart of a major urban area removed the existing fleet (4-6, I don't remember exactly) of vending machines that allowed you to pick and choose various books of stamps in favor of 3 "shipping stations" that allow you to weigh your parcels, select various shipping options, and print exact postage stamps; they can also print sets of one "standard" stamp.

    With the old vending machines, if you wanted to buy stamps, you had a great choice and could quickly select the your desired stamp selection, pay via inserted credit card or cash, and wait briefly for a few seconds while the stamps were dispensed. If you needed to mail a package with any special options you'd have to wait in line and deal with a postal employee.

    With the new machines, if you want to buy stamps, you have to wait in line while the people preceding you try to figure out how to get stamps or select their desired parcel mailing options, and when it gets to be your turn you have to navigate through several screens to get to the single choice, pay, and wait about a minute for each sheet of stamps to be printed. Or wait in the long line to get to a postal employee. If you want to mail a package, you can select them with the machine, and it certainly beats waiting in line to deal with a postal employee.

    I suppose the idea is that the USPS doesn't want to be in the business of selling stamps, they're leaving that to grocery and convenience stores, but the place I still think of for buying stamps is the Post Office, and for me, since I happen to be directly across the street from one, is the most convenient location physically. Unfortunately, the interior process changes mean that it is sometimes quicker for me to go to the nearest grocery store blocks away and buy stamps rather than wait in the lines at the Post Office.

    1. Re: USPS direction... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They want you to buy the stamps by mail

    2. Re:USPS direction... by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      About the same time the ridiculous mandate was placed on the USPS to forward fund all their employees' benefits for the next 50 years

      Why is that a 'ridiculous mandate'? Do you feel like bailing out those generous pension promises in a few decades when the USPS can't pay the bill? Like we've done with so many private sector corporations that have failed to meet their pension and healthcare obligations?

      The mandate is very painful for USPS but it's a comparatively short term pain that should solve a long term problem. Frankly I wish we could do a similar thing with the ticking time bomb in certain States, though at the end of the day it's entirely up to them, since Uncle Sam has precious little power to compel change at the State level.

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      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
  11. New Approach by vanye · · Score: 2

    Maybe if everyone just stopped posting comments to stories by Bennett, he'd get bored and go somewhere else.

    Active hostility doesn't seem to be working, maybe good old ignoring will.

    1. Re:New Approach by neilo_1701D · · Score: 2

      Neither solution worked for Tim Rue on comp.sys.amiga.misc and his endless blatherings on the V.I.C.

      It took the death of the Amiga and the Amiga newsgroups years later to accomplish that.

  12. TL;DR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    USPS Click-N-Ship neither prints labels correctly nor saves you money. What do you expect from a marginally-governmental agency with Congressional oversight? Witness every web-based rollout by a US government agency - they all suck, just by varying degrees.

    1. Re:TL;DR by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. CNS does print labels correctly and does save you money over the retail rates. I've used it many, many times.

      The OP is correct, though: the website is poorly designed, doesn't offer First Class postage (except for international), and generally has a lot of problems. But if you can't figure out how to print labels with it (eventually), you're an idiot.

  13. Irony is... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> make the process more annoying than just standing in line at the post office

    BH complaining about wasting time.

    1. Re:Irony is... by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      BH complaining about wasting time.

      but sure has a lot of time to write this article.

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    2. Re:Irony is... by kat_skan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe that's why it took him an hour to print a shipping label: every click was accompanied by a pointless rambling five-minute diatribe.

  14. You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've used the USPS abler printer a number of times, and not once had any issues.

    You seem to veer off the rails all over the place, but the main thing that mystified me is - why would a label NOT WORK the next day (a "confusion" you list more than once)? It's insane to think it would not. People like you are the reason shampoo labels say not to microwave the shampoo or pour it down your throat without breathing.

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    1. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      Wait, you mean I'm supposed to breathe while I pour the shampoo down my throat? Thanks, I've been doing it wrong all this time!

    2. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by ZipK · · Score: 2

      You seem to veer off the rails all over the place, but the main thing that mystified me is - why would a label NOT WORK the next day (a "confusion" you list more than once)? It's insane to think it would not.

      From the USPS Report on PRC Rate and Service Inquiries for December 2011:

      You must mail your item on the date that you selected for your Click-N-Ship label; this is known as the Ship Date. An electronic record is generated on that date indicating that your mailpiece has been mailed. Packages shipped with labels that have incorrect Ship Dates may be returned to the sender and will not be eligible for a refund. If you are unable to use the label, you should request a refund within ten (10) days of the printing date and create another label with the correct Ship Date.

      That said, local postal offices apparently offer varying amounts of flexibility; but the policy is that you must ship on the Ship Date or cancel within ten days to get a refund. See also here.

    3. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      I've printed the shipping label the night before countless times. The text on the website is just some lawyer's busywork making sure they can't be sued.

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    4. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Funny

      We're gonna need a bigger label.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    5. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      I've used the USPS abler printer a number of times, and not once had any issues....

      I just the USPS label printer a lot, and I've not had any problems..

      .
      Maybe, just maybe, the problem does not reside with the website.

      fwiw, I read the first few paragraphs and then decided "what a waste of time this story is."

      Then I look at who wrote it. Well, there's part of my life I'll never get back......

      Does this BH idiot own a part of /.? Why is he given such preference here?

    6. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by ZipK · · Score: 1

      I've printed the shipping label the night before countless times.

      Printing date and shipping date are not necessarily the same thing. If you've printed a shipping label "the night before," after business hours in the ship-from zip code, the default shipping date was likely set to the next day. Packages can be (and in some cases are) returned when shipped after the shipping date; it's your chance to take.

    7. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by jeremyp · · Score: 1

      why would a label NOT WORK the next day

      Off the top of my head, one reason would be that the price is calculated based on the rates on the day of shipping.

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      All I want is a secure system where it's easy to do anything I want. Is that too much to ask ~~ Randall Munroe
    8. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Although an interesting point, no shipping company charges differently based on when it ships from (if you are not having them come get it and don't care if it actually goes out the day you drop it off).

      Instead they charge more for the day of delivery.

      Basically the USPS label printer is usually just used to put a label on a package so you can just drop it off at the post office without waiting in line - there's an after-hours drop where you can put packages even when they are closed.

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    9. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, but is the wording on the label valid? You printed it yesterday!

    10. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by bennetthaselton · · Score: 1

      That's useful to know, thanks. Sorry that useful pointers like these get buried in the comments under all the tripe :)

      Although my poitn is that it would have been nice if the USPS site itself spelled this out.

    11. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      If you've printed a shipping label "the night before," after business hours in the ship-from zip code, the default shipping date was likely set to the next day.

      Nope, at least not with any Paypal labels I've printed. Their site is very stupidly set up too (in many ways). Even if you print a label at 11:55PM, it'll still show that date on the label unless you remember to change the shipping date to the next day.

      I've shipped countless packages a day late BTW, and never, ever had one returned.

    12. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by ZipK · · Score: 1

      Nope, at least not with any Paypal labels I've printed.

      I've shipped countless packages a day late BTW, and never, ever had one returned.

      In the eBay shipping center, next to the selector for Shipping Date is a link to More Info that states:

      Mailing Date

      The Mailing Date you select determines the date when your postage label is valid. An electronic record is generated on that date indicating that your package has been mailed. When creating an online label, you are responsible for providing accurate information when selecting the mailing date. You will have the option to select a mailing date up to 3 days in the future. Please note that the Mailing Date is formatted in Eastern Standard Time.

      This is corroborated by the USPS notice posted earlier, though from your experience the notice should say "may be returned" rather than "will be returned." You are being given a grace period by the post office that accepts your package; others report their packages being returned, so late mailing is not something that can be counted upon systemwide.

    13. Re:You are making things WAY TOO COMPLEX by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Well again, I've mailed countless packages a day or two late, from many different post offices in different parts of the country, and never had a problem. I've mailed almost 2000 packages in the last few years; not a single one returned.

      Where people might be seeing a problem is with Express Mail (now called "Priority Express Mail" for some dumb reason). Express Mail's price does depend on the mailing date to my knowledge. With Priority and First Class, it does not: the price is the same no matter when you send it, and there's no delivery time guarantees at all. So if you send a package a day late, what's the problem? The postage rate is the same. With Express, however, they guarantee it'll get there by a certain date (1-2 days away usually), so that depends on when you send it. However, when you print an Express label, it does have a place at the bottom for the postal clerk to write when the package was accepted at the PO, so even here it shouldn't matter too much, except again the price might vary by mailing date (I'm not too sure about this; I almost never send anything Express, only Priority and FC).

  15. Adblock just for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I turn on Adblock just for Bennett. Get a blog. Stop taking a shit on /.

  16. News for nerds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How in the world is this even remotely news of any sort, let alone news for nerds? This looks more like basic information for my grandma. Just print the labels, it works dumbass. I've done it before with ZERO problems. Maybe Bennett needs to go work for an actual company. Start in the mail room because, well that appears to be all he's truly qualified for and move up.

    Bennett, you think WAY to hard about very simple problems and issues. Keep it Simple Stupid

  17. Wait... what? by Mr+Z · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You could argue that it's the user's responsibility to make sure their package fits into the box they select, but a user could reasonably assume that the whole point of entering the length, width and height is so that the USPS can recommend only those boxes that will hold the item. Remember, the user usually doesn't have these boxes in front of them at the time they're printing the label. They could end up selecting a box option, printing the label, taking it all the way to the post office along with their package, only to find out that the package doesn't fit into the box that they printed the label for, and that they have to wait in line anwyay to pay for an alternate method.

    Ah, you're one of those people who clog up the lobby boxing your stuff up at the post office, using the wrong tape (such as the tape meat to mark an Express package on something you're shipping Priority or First Class) and breaking in line to ask someone behind the desk for scissors.

    You realize that the post office isn't a full service pack and ship place, right? At least none of the ones I've been to around here are. You're supposed to have everything packed up and ready to go before you walk in the door. You also realize that your local PO probably doesn't stock all the sizes and shapes of shipping box the website describes, and that package weight is supposed to include the box, right?.

    That is, you're supposed to have boxed up your parcel by the time you got to this part of the form. The only thing missing should be the label.

    Could be worse. You could be like the person I saw who tried to send a package wrapped in normal Christmas wrapping paper.... That was going to be a shredded nightmare on the other side.

    1. Re:Wait... what? by Enry · · Score: 1

      There's whole shipping stores that FedEX and UPS run that would do that for you. Staples has a lot of shipping material too. USPS has it because it's convenient, but that's not their goal.

      We had to go to the post office to get our daughter her passport. While there was a line behind us the person helping us did a real good job at it, even retaking the picture for free since she thought the one we got at CVS wasn't cropped properly. She must have been right because the passport showed up a few weeks later.

    2. Re:Wait... what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your assertion is true, there should be a sign or something. I've boxed literally everything I've ever shipped all over the world at the post office. You think I just have shipping supplies sitting around my house ???

    3. Re:Wait... what? by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      Ah, you're one of those people...using the wrong tape (such as the tape meat to mark an Express package on something you're shipping Priority or First Class)...

      This is why smart people avoid rework by packing their stuff at the post office.

      You're supposed to have everything packed up and ready to go before you walk in the door.

      I guess you just can't please everyone all of the time.

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    4. Re:Wait... what? by bennetthaselton · · Score: 1

      You're supposed to have everything packed up and ready to go before you walk in the door.

      They have priority mail boxes stacked in racks on the wall, free for people to take, so I assume they intend for at least some people to box their stuff there.

      In my local post office, there's a counter for boxing things, and then a line which snakes around the counter and (sometimes) out the door. I've never seen the counter anywhere close to being full -- usually only one or two people using it for boxing their stuff -- so as long as you just take a Priority Mail box off the wall, and your stuff fits into it, and you have the right shipping label, you're not imposing costs on anybody else.

      Of course people are causing problems when they do the things you describe, but those are probably not the people who print their labels in advance before coming to the post office.

    5. Re:Wait... what? by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      I guess I was being a bit snarky earlier.

      For some things, I can see waiting to package it up at the post office. Priority / Express Mail envelopes are a big one. Since I do a fair bit of shipping via USPS, I actually go down to the PO ahead of time and pick up boxes for the things I'm going to ship, and do all the packaging at home. That's how I'm acutely aware that they often don't have what I need at a particular location, which further reinforces my desire to pack things up at home.

      I also don't trust the tape-strips that are pre-applied to the packaging. I've had some that stuck like glue, and some that started peeling open a minute after packing up my boxes. So, I always end up reinforcing with some shipping tape.

      I grant you, I'm probably not the typical postal customer, though. The more casual user of postal services will probably scratch their heads over many of the things you've pointed out on the USPS site. I've been using it for so long, it all feels pretty natural to me.

      I imagine the "no first class stamps at USPS.com" thingy is a concession to Pitney Bowes, Stamps.Com and other vendors they've made deals with for various first class postage services. Otherwise, there'd be little reason for those other services to exist.

  18. Metric System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you tried converting to the metric system? I am not sure how or why, but I am very sure it will fix your problems with this.

  19. On the other hand... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... I have shipped many, many boxes over several years, both USPS Flat-Rate and my own, via Click-n-Ship w/Postage paid via CC w/o any trouble. (and I always keep a small stack of Flat-Rate boxes at home, so I always know which one I need...)

    In all that time, I've only had one problem during transit of a "used my own" box (that I had simply dropped off at the Post Office) in that the website calculated the online discount correctly and the live mail handler at the processing center didn't and the package was returned. Taking that package back to the Post Office and talking with someone behind the counter got that cleared up and the package re-shipped correctly.

    The reviewer has some valid complaints about using the site, but is, perhaps, also an idiot.

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  20. This is tech news now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Didn't click through (I don't want to reward the author with ad traffic) but it seems he's looking for ways to get confused just to produce article content.

  21. Re:Oh God NO! by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...not another Bennett Haselton partial-birth abortion of a story... This guy needs a new hobby, a girlfriend, a boyfriend, a willing farm animal, something to just get him to shut the fuck up!

    New Girl/Boyfriend? Perhaps someone could ship him a blow-up doll - or stuffed animal; I hear the Post Office has this easy Click-n-Ship site for Flat-Rate boxes...

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  22. The answer to... by Bartles · · Score: 1

    ...all these problems is to give the Post Office more money that it doesn't need to earn, and that is taken by force from people who don't want to pay. Why do they need to improve anything under those circumstances?

    1. Re:The answer to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when are you forced to use them? Don't if you don't want to. I use the USPS maybe 4 times per year, they get about $2/year from me. You do have options.

    2. Re:The answer to... by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Clearly you've never heard of something called tax.

  23. package by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to ship a package for the holiday season, why not use DHL, Federal Express or UPS? I'm confused.

  24. I want Bennett Haselton to ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... have my babies.

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  25. Hey, dummy by atomicthumbs · · Score: 2

    The package dimensions are the dimension of the package, not its contents. A child would know ths.

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    1. Re:Hey, dummy by atomicthumbs · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      on the other hand, a child would also spell "this" correctly, so maybe it's harder than I thought

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    2. Re:Hey, dummy by idontgno · · Score: 1

      Well, if your fingers are all atomic thumbs, it must be hard to work a keyboard reliably.

      OTOH, I can't picture a plausible excuse for BH's issues. /shrug.

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    3. Re:Hey, dummy by bennetthaselton · · Score: 0

      Yes, I know that. What gave you the impression that I didn't? But I'm assuming that the thickness of the box is almost negligible, so that if you specify on the USPS website that your package is 3x4x5 inches, the website should be smart enough to know that you can use a 3x5x10 Priority Mail box, but not a 4x4x4 Priority mail box.

    4. Re:Hey, dummy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What gave you the impression that I didn't?

      The majority of what you write demonstrates that you have the intellectual ability of a dead, desiccated worm, so readers will assume that you know nothing and are incapable of reaching obvious conclusions until you give us a reason to imagine otherwise.

      HTH

    5. Re:Hey, dummy by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      After reading your comment I reread the original post...now with more coffee in me. I totally missed that, yea, they are asking the dimensions of the box that gets shipped, not what is inside the box. Also, flat rate is only a deal with you max out the weight. For everything else using your own box is cheaper.

  26. CLOSED by oldsak · · Score: 2

    Working as intended.

  27. I am functionally retarded an cant understand mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How me mail a box? Me no understand. Me write 900 word essay about and put on slashdot. Me show mean lady at post office who is dum now!

  28. TL;DR by Virtucon · · Score: 1

    Sure, there may be problems with load and usability but it sure as hell beats going to the post office doesn't it?

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  29. Judging by the length of his essays... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    ...I'll bet he's into foreplay.

  30. Use PayPal for other shipping options! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I searched around and found this out a couple years ago when I also discovered that no first class shipping labels could be printed on the USPS site. Now there is a pay straight from eBay mentioning the "secret" option/ability:

    http://www.ebay.com/gds/Secret-PayPal-Shipping-Labels-Stamps-off-eBay-Mailing-/10000000007215096/g.html

    They provide a "shortcut secret link" as well:

    https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_ship-now

  31. Four Facepalm Bugs in Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    - Bennet Haselton
    - timothy
    - Dice
    - Beta

  32. The real facepalm here is Timmylogic by MrVictor · · Score: 2

    Since I printed these labels with the ship date specified as today, it should be more clear if the labels will still be considered valid tomorrow, which is the soonest time that a pickup could be scheduled.

    On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.

    ~C. Babbage

  33. Stop, just frelling stop. by pz · · Score: 1, Redundant

    Please make him stop.

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  34. Union Made! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the Post Office, what the hell do you expect from union lackeys?

  35. Not Surprising at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think their website is confusing and bugridden, you should try working with their label SOAP server.

    I've cooked up an interface between a home-grown ERP and USPS for shipping labels, which they provide as PNG images via this SOAP service. However, they have a bug somewhere that causes some of these PNG files to not decode properly using libPNG. When I mentioned it to the Webservices support people, they denied having a problem because their windows system would read the PNG just fine, even after I gave them examples of the problem.

    Apparently they won't support you unless you're writing all your code in C#. My system was written in PHP with the label to printout conversion happening in C.

    They also treated all the labels as money, which does make sense, as postage is money, effectively. The gotcha is that if you have to cancel a shipment, they won't return funds to your account immeadiatly, and force you to wait 14 days before the funds for the cancelled label are returned.

    If they weren't so much less expensive compared to UPS or FedEx......

    1. Re:Not Surprising at all by atomicthumbs · · Score: 1

      the 14-day wait is, I think, to keep people from dropping off a package somewhere with a voided label and making them waste their time on it.

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  36. bh;dr by xeos · · Score: 2

    perhaps the biggest bug was allowing BH to use the website in the first place?

  37. Dear Bennet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're an asshole; and all of Slashdot hates you. I can't wait to say this to your face one day.

  38. Re:This is SOP for the postal service. by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

    We've got some real morons in my local post office. Even though the USPS website has a "hold mail at postoffice" where you enter your name, address, zip and click a box to verfiy that your local office can do it, the maroons at my local office have gotten it wrong each time I've used it. For example, about 6 months ago, we were going to visit wifes' sister for a week, so I entered the info into the website, gave it the dates we'd be gone, and at the end of the hold period, to KEEP the mail at the postoffice and I'd come by and pick it up. Website even gave me a print out of what I'd just told it to do, along with a confirmation number... Fast forward to our return.. I went to the PO, armed with the printout from the website, clearly showing "hold for pickup". Guess what? they claimed they delivered a weeks worth of mail into my little mailbox... They told me to go and look... Went home and looked.. Nothing.. Fortuantly, our neighbor apparently intercepted the mail carrier and grabbed our mail, which never would have fit in the mailbox.. Which is WHY I chose "hold for pickup".. I went back to the PO and spoke to the Postmaster.. he could care less... Said the "hold for pickup" was merely a suggestion... WTF??

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  39. Slashdot keeps aggravating their "audience" by kbahey · · Score: 2

    The last time I commented about the continued posting of Bennet's rants, some idiot moderators marked it as flamebait.

    I am posting it again below. This is serious, not a troll, nor funny:

    Slashdot's editor team knows that the "audience" here hate Bennet Hasleton's continued long winded drivel, yet they keep posting his stuff regularly.

    This is yet another clear sign that Dice and Slashdot do not care about their "audience", just like the way they handled the Slashdot Beta debacle.

    Dice: keep ignoring your "audience" while expecting viewership to increase. Yeah, that will happen alright ...

    1. Re:Slashdot keeps aggravating their "audience" by balbus000 · · Score: 1

      I posted a comment on that article. There seemed to be a serious anomaly with the amount of Troll mods for that one article.

      I am wondering if the gave Bennett unlimited mod points to use there.

  40. I feel dumber having read part of this by pkinetics · · Score: 1
    I could actually feel my IQ points shriveling up while attempting to comprehend WTF I was reading.

    I feel like a Windows machine that needs to be rebooted because all my CPU and memory cycles have been used by recursive stupidity.

  41. BUGS?? -- Try User Error. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For the windy length of this article I expected something worthwhile, I am still waiting.
    Bugs? I did not see one website bug in your entire rambling. What I did see was someone who the USPS website was too challenging for.
    -- Thankfully there are some postal locations that have staff that can assist you.

    My questions to the writer...
    Was this your first experience with USPS online?
    Did you actually compare priority vs first class?
    Did you weigh in that Priority is including tracking, insurance and they will pick up for free?
    Did you realize that USPS website has a calculate postage option which will tell show you the first class option along with priority, express etc?
    --- so if parcel post/first class are a better option, you can take your package to a postal location to ship, but they have made the pricing nearly the same for these two options.

    Break down -- a 3 lb package from the Rockies to the east coast -- (pricing as of Jan 8, 2015)
    --- you will see below parcel post $11.39 vs 2 day priority $11.59 or medium flat rate $11.30 ... again the priority will have tracking & insured & free pick up (so bonus of saving on fuel & time) --
    legal flat rate envelope -in store $5.90- $5.25 online - 15" x 9-½"
    flat rate envelope -in store $5.75 - $5.05 online -- 12-1/2" x 9-½" - or 10" x 6"
    1 day priority express $44.75 in store vs $34.21 online
    1 day priority express flat rate in store $44.95 vs $44.95 online -- 13-5/8" x 11-7/8" x 3-3/8" or 11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2"
    2 day priority -- in store $13.10 vs $11.59 online
    large flat rate - in store $17.90 vs $15.80 online -- 23-11/16" x 11-3/4" x 3" or 12" x 12" x 5-1/2"
    med flat rate - in store $12.65 vs $11.30 online -- 13-5/8" x 11-7/8" x 3-3/8" or 11" x 8-1/2" x 5-1/2"
    small flat rate - in store $5.95 vs $5.25 online -- 8-5/8" x 5-3/8" x 1-5/8"
    regional a - online only $8.98 -- 12-13/16" x 10-15/16" x 2-3/8" or 10" x 7" x 4-3/4"
    regional b - online only $14.42 -- 15-7/8" x 14-3/8" x 2-7/8" or 12" x 10-1/4" x 5"
    regional c - online only $40.89 -- 14-3/4" x 11-3/4" x 11-½"
    parcel post $11.39 in store only
    medial mail $3.65 in store only

    I am not denying that USPS has issues, they do, but for your article to complain of 'bugs' yet you did not identify a single bug in your rambling.
    -- one for their bizarre options is their regional rate, which is a form of flat rate for local areas. I have yet to find a use for that method (it does require their regional packaging - which like other priority packaging they will ship to you no charge, so an option if you are shipping a lot of heavier items locally).

    Your comparison of Amazon vs USPS was ridiculous, one Amazon is not losing business by the other purchase options on a product (they collect fees for each item that is sold through their site).

    Then your issues with Stamps.com, was more on your inability to read and understand (or inquire) a policy before entering into an agreement, all because you thought you were going to be able to side step a process or prices, that story just made you look bad.

    Your issues with the printing portion is beyond baffling, I can not even comprehend what your issues are on that part. When you have finished adding all the labels for that session, and you are at the checkout, you have an option to print two labels per a page or a single label per page, and with or with out a receipt (I select with out a receipt and two per page - you can access the record in your account when needed). The reason they give you a time frame for printing is if you have more packages you will be adding to your order and you want to bundle them into one payment (that would need to be done before midnight that day, again sad that this detail baffles you). The purpose of PDF, if someone is doing this away from a printer, this is a convenience to allow them to save the labels to print later, with out the deadline of midnight printing).

    For the pick up option, you can request a pick

  42. HOLY FUCKING SHIT by sootman · · Score: 1

    1,700 words into this and one of his two conclusions is that flat-rate boxes are flat rate? (Up to 70 lbs which, IIRC, is printed on the side of the fucking box.) Kill me now.

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  43. Most people would screw up First Class Mail online by theycallmeB · · Score: 1

    Particularly this guy. Most people would have no earthly idea as to which type of First Class Mail they should use for any given item: letter, flat or parcel. The allowed weights and sizes are different for all three and even the price increase per unit weight is different. Many people wouldn't have a scale on hand that is accurate to the tenth of an ounce and would get upset when their item was returned because they guessed to low. All in all, the USPS is quite right to have domestic first class offered through click-n-ship because it would only end in tears.

    If you actually mail out enough stuff to know what you are about you can use PayPal. Or do what I do: use stamps. Really, I do, and it works great.

  44. TL;DR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I printed my labels at home and walked past a line out the door at the post office. Your complaints are invalid.

    also: First World Problems!

    P.S. captcha phrase "perturb"

  45. My favorite part by rebelwarlock · · Score: 1

    Now they're actually trying to bury the fact that Benny Hill is writing this verbal diarrhea by neglecting to put the warning in the summary we all got used to seeing. So before Ben 10 shows up and whines "but wut i r wrong about?", you're wrong about the entire fucking premise. None of these are bugs. Also, you're an idiot.

  46. And, to solve the problem quickly, here you go: by aussersterne · · Score: 2, Informative

    https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-...

    Clear form, quick payment w/o entering lots of credit card details, every non-international USPS option, no need to mess with the weird postal service website.

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    1. Re:And, to solve the problem quickly, here you go: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You insensitive clod!

      Friends don't let friends use Paypal!

  47. Re:Oh God NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think a flat box will work, whatever his preference (and regardless of the rate)

  48. The POINT went right over your head by RubberDogBone · · Score: 1

    Of COURSE their system is broken! You missed the point entirely.

    The purpose of ANYTHING the USPS does is to get you to come to a branch and stand in line. Essentially they want you to be so frustrated and give up that you come stand in line. So they can try to upsell you on stuff you don't want, mainly because you might be weak after spending an hour in line and just agree to whatever is suggested.

    This is why the USPS has carefully removed nearly all the stamp vending machines they used to have in every Post Office lobby, why they got rid of the automated mailing kiosks (and those that remain are often broken and simply tell you to go stand in line), and at the same time, they have cut back on the number of clerks working so the line -which you pretty much HAVE to stand in- is as slow and long as possible.

    Where a retail store would offer options to customers, open more lines, stay open later in the day or on weekends, the USPS steadfastly does exactly the opposite. The lines are long. YOU HAVE TO STAND IN THEM and forget picking up mail after work. No. You have to take time off. Sucker.

    Compare this to Fedex: Their online shipping system is just amazing. And it works. And it's simple. They will come get your package or, at least in town, I can drop it off at their facility as late as 10:00 at night and there's never a line. It just works.

    They just added a print kiosk to their lobby so even if you don't have a printer, you can still prepare the entire shipment ahead of time and just scan a QR on your phone to pull up the label, print it, stick it, and done. It's awesome.

    The USPS, forget it. I stood in like there yesterday for 40 minutes while the one clerk working argued with a customer about a PO box issue. Nobody opened a second line although there were plenty of clerks standing around behind the counter and a line of customers that grew and filled in behind me, probably 30 deep.

    Ludicrous.

    So yes the website is broken. Come stand in line. THAT is your fix. Where is my consulting fee?

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  49. OI SLASHDOT WTF PLEASE WAKE UP WTF YOU DOING OMG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How the bloody hell does this shite keep making it to /. and the front page no less. Does this guy gives you all good head or something to do as he wants? The rambling crapfest wouldn't even make an interesting blog post on its own. Is no one at Slashdot reading over this at all? It kind of shows what utter clownshoes you think your readers are. SORT IT OUT FOR FUCK SAKE.

  50. Catch 22 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you either:
    a) stay home, spend a few minutes to figure out a slightly confusing website and get a little frustrated or
    b) go to the post office, hoping you show up when your local branch is open, stand in an unpredictable line size, get to the front of the line to be told you don't have the right forms, with no help as to the forms you SHOULD have filled out, made to get out of line and look like an idiot, meekly try to go back to the same person who "helped" you before, looked at like they've never seen you before, mumble what happened while handing the new forms over, hoping your offerings are good enough to spare their wrath, yelled at for trying to swipe your own debit card, asked to see your ID while entering your PIN for your debit transaction, upsold on stamps/faster shipping/whatever and walk out shaking and sweating.

    I'd say the in-person and online experience are roughly similar and is working as intended.

  51. for the snobs in the group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With all due respect to the rude commenters, I can't understand why so much criticism is directed at this article about the USPS website. I'm glad someone documented many of the problems with it that I and others experience on a regular basis. Perhaps USPS will now make an effort to improve it.

    That's all I have to say. You may now call me names and attack my character in your usual sophomoric way.

     

  52. Zipcode Last: Why? by ffejie · · Score: 1

    Why do sites insist I enter my town, state, then zipcode? If I enter my zipcode, you can get my state, and 99% of time, my town. I find this maddening. Country should be first, then zipcode, then state and town auto populated with an option to change.

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    1. Re:Zipcode Last: Why? by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

      Agreed...I think it is so engrained in everyone at USPS that ZIP (that is an acronym, so all caps) comes last. That makes sense when writing out an address because it makes it easier to spot the ZIP for humans and machines. Although, in many other countries the postal code is in front of the city name and their postal service can figure it out no problem.

  53. Please stand in line and use stamps by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Please use stamps rather than these fugly stickers. With more stamps used more canceled stamps can be collected. Once you collected cancelled stamps send them to Briefmarkenstelle Bethel Quellenhofweg 25 33617 Bielefeld Germany The stamp office in Bethel employs over 120 handicapped people who earn a living wage processing stamps and packaging them for sale to distributors and collectors. This program also funds partially other work programs and rehab for handicapped people with the aim to give them a purposeful live and work either at Bethel or in other settings. Don't want to pay the postage to Germany? Contact me and you can send the stamps to me. Also, if you know of a US organization that accepts cancelled stamps for an as worthy cause let me know. Some folks are hesitant to donate to organizations outside of the US although it is irrelevant where you help people. Also, this is NOT a call for money donations nor do I sell any stamps (you need to take my word for it, but I will share the thank you letter if you want). This is solely about keeping cancelled stamps out of the trash and putting them to good use.

  54. What is a bug? by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Stauss and Seidel define a bug as "anything that negatively impacts user experience". So #1 is clearly a bug. As far as #4 goes, you'd think that a postal service offers a means to mail them a letter with a question or concern. All they offer is email or phone! I sent a letter a few months ago to the Postmaster General in DC about this, still waiting for a response. Seems as if USPS is not set up to handle and read mail from its postal customers.

  55. Re:This is SOP for the postal service. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Had the exact same experience. Had selected "hold for pickup", yet they still dumped all teh mail at our door.

    My current "workaround" is to extend the hold period so that we're home before the end of the hold. Still a pain.