That's called a collective. Look at what happens to collectives. Good Luck! Microsoft and Apple are not collectives. They're Teams who's glue is money and commercial gain. There is a difference!
Mr Shuttleworth,
With respect.... I'm not sure making out of context and irrelevant analogies to philosophical/political organisations helps the cause for which you are battling.
Don't fall for the main stream media tactic of trying to introduce irrelevant political, social and philosophical argument than is required to make a point. It'll reshape Ubuntu's image to the likeness of MSNBC or CNN.
In other words, WTF are you talking about? It's a PC operating system for petes sake!
Oh Man, I can't beleive this question is asked?!
Narcicists!
No one cares! Most are wrapped up on their own little world. And as long as that "Own little world" is not rattled they're ok with it all.
And besides. If you're not doing anything wrong? What have you to hide? Sick, just plain sick! And some form of Freedom sapping tyrany is just around the corner as a result.
Tyrany will worm it's way into this setup. How can it not?! No one's on guard!
Oh, How I'm looking forward to seeing the further development of State/Corporate relationships.
It's so heartening to know the Corporate/State machine is looking after indivdiuals a nd protecting them form themselves.
Just think how confused the individual would be. Educating themselves, making choices (some not working and doleing out lessons)
What a wondereful future is being provided by the Corporate/State relationship.
Get your head out of your clacker people!!
Your kids don't have time for you to bugger around!!
What not of people realise is, at the moment, there is some tenuous control over Gov't shut-downs.
The time is coming where the shut down is brought on by external factors, like being broke and incompetent, and is therefore not a choice!
How is wanting to avoid a crap part of town Racist? PPuullleeaaaseee, Next someone will be wanting to name an Asteroid Treyvon?!?! Race baiting nimrods!
OK, For Gggaaawwdddssss Sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can you guys not understand what you're saying here?
In the original submission the writer talks rationally about practices, privacy, decision making etc etc.
And the first reply talks about the Corporate/Government relationship.
HEY!! Corporate/Government relationships is called fascism. And people want to talk rationally about privacy, decision making and practices? Are you lot insane. You're trying to rationalise Fascism!!!!! Wake the F&^%$ UP!!!
Get your self VPN, SSH Tunneling, BitMessage, Encrypted system. Otherwise you're passive, and subject to what ever these sick power hungry, self preserving A*&^ls can come up with!
Treason? It'd be fair guess.
But the greens demanding an explanation? If they were in power we'd all be living, surrounded by the sound of green jack boots, with the internet so slow it'd be rendered useless from their surveillance and censoring. That's if they cold keep the country solvent enough to be able to have the internet. Gimme a break!
OK, So, when does it start? The war that is? The civil War! I'm assuming that there is going to be one? Why else would you need the NSA to have the same sweeping powers granted by Lincoln?
Cop out! Total Cop Out!
And the constitution of the USA showed so much promise.
What a shame. Between the Immigration Bill and EPA enforced lies by Executive Order. the USA, I'm afraid, very afraid, is sunk.
Which do you think will be the first State to attempt to secede?
"With the discovery that the NSA may be gathering extensive amounts of data, and the evidence suggesting makers of some of the most popular browsers may be in on the action"
C'Mon people how neive do we have to be. This has been going on for years!!
If I can encrypt my IP traffic, jump through VPN and proxy hoops to annonymise my browsing from my home PC what can the feds do with computing and storage power comin' out of their clacker?
And with the fascist/corporate/crony capitalist state we find ourselves in, don't tell me it's not! Big business is in bed, big time, with the state right to the point of busines setting the ciriculum of education, uhum, sorry, training! it flows all the way from adulescence.
To think it hasn't been happening before Snowden announced it? is neive in the extreme!
Not many seem to get how close to tyranny we are getting!
The next economic crisis will probably finish democracy and any semblance of individual freedom off.
The collective is gaining ground aided by the state.
All we'll end up is one collective competing against the other. And it’ll all be for the "Common good".
When you manage to get the focus of individuals onto the "common good". Any denial of individuality and freedom/s can be justified.
Not long now
tick tick tick.....
Your kidding. The yanks (in fact the entire so called "Free" world) are coming to realise their freedoms have been white-anted as well.
Not long now...
tick tick tick
Unless individuals demand and TAKE responsibility for their own stuff.
Encrypt it, Host it, Filter it the "Authorities" will have the upper hand. Simple! 51%, or more?, of US citizens are comfortable with what the NSA is doing.
Sorry, the US constitution is toast, the economy is toast, the USA system is toast.
Analise it, look at it, tick off all the boxes of a Free society and an Authoritarian Society. Not hard when you look at history. Oh, Woops, Sorry, no one learns History anymore. Sorry if I offended anyone. I apologised for offended un-educated dumb people. (See what I mean?) It's Toast!
Most are just in denial!
"Or do you think it's all a lost cause"?
Apparently 51% of people polled thought it was OK for the NSA to eavesdrop.
Yes, it's a lost cause. Not enough people are prepared to defend their freedom for any measure of perceived security.
It's over! Time to buy gold, silver and heirloom seeds.
OK, No problem. BUT. Do they realise it will be used against them during the next crisis from which they elect a saviour that says "I will protect you from the people and organisations that caused your grief", "I have all the tools I need to prosecute the criminals that caused this damage to our beloved father land"?
It's not Obama. The saviour will be cleverer than that! Obama is just another getting you used to the idea of giving up freedoms and rights in the name of security.
You know you don't need "terrorist laws". What a lot crud that is. You only need a functioning "Common Law" system. As Common Law is clearly not in practice and the people are clearly clueless as to it's operation and intent?.... The people of the USA should fear themselves and the world should fear the United States. Any population that has the Firepower, and still industrial power of the USA that thinks like this, is a worry for the rest.
Those that give up their natural freedoms for the promise of security provided by others deserve neither!
So when the definition of Terrorism and Criminal gets redefined? by some wacko Government or pressure group that has been voted in to "save" everyone from themselves or the oppressive/unfair system after the West collapses. If you can redefine the fundamental natural right of a Man and Woman to join together to raise a family, and pass provision for the state to claim responsibility for the off spring (Economic/Societal units) of that Union? You can redefine anything you damn well like!
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That's called a collective. Look at what happens to collectives. Good Luck! Microsoft and Apple are not collectives. They're Teams who's glue is money and commercial gain. There is a difference!
Mr Shuttleworth, With respect.... I'm not sure making out of context and irrelevant analogies to philosophical/political organisations helps the cause for which you are battling. Don't fall for the main stream media tactic of trying to introduce irrelevant political, social and philosophical argument than is required to make a point. It'll reshape Ubuntu's image to the likeness of MSNBC or CNN. In other words, WTF are you talking about? It's a PC operating system for petes sake!
Oh Man, I can't beleive this question is asked?! Narcicists! No one cares! Most are wrapped up on their own little world. And as long as that "Own little world" is not rattled they're ok with it all. And besides. If you're not doing anything wrong? What have you to hide? Sick, just plain sick! And some form of Freedom sapping tyrany is just around the corner as a result. Tyrany will worm it's way into this setup. How can it not?! No one's on guard!
Oh, How I'm looking forward to seeing the further development of State/Corporate relationships. It's so heartening to know the Corporate/State machine is looking after indivdiuals a nd protecting them form themselves. Just think how confused the individual would be. Educating themselves, making choices (some not working and doleing out lessons) What a wondereful future is being provided by the Corporate/State relationship. Get your head out of your clacker people!! Your kids don't have time for you to bugger around!!
What not of people realise is, at the moment, there is some tenuous control over Gov't shut-downs. The time is coming where the shut down is brought on by external factors, like being broke and incompetent, and is therefore not a choice!
There is so much wrong with this and most of it is not with the game player!
The PRISM program would LLuuuuuvvv you to buy and use a finger print swiping iPhone, JJJuuuusssttt LLLuuuvvv it!
you are not important enough to be a target Tell that to 1930's Europeans!
How is wanting to avoid a crap part of town Racist? PPuullleeaaaseee, Next someone will be wanting to name an Asteroid Treyvon?!?! Race baiting nimrods!
Only if you want to thin out the force through prosecutions of abuse of power
OK, For Gggaaawwdddssss Sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Can you guys not understand what you're saying here? In the original submission the writer talks rationally about practices, privacy, decision making etc etc. And the first reply talks about the Corporate/Government relationship. HEY!! Corporate/Government relationships is called fascism. And people want to talk rationally about privacy, decision making and practices? Are you lot insane. You're trying to rationalise Fascism!!!!! Wake the F&^%$ UP!!! Get your self VPN, SSH Tunneling, BitMessage, Encrypted system. Otherwise you're passive, and subject to what ever these sick power hungry, self preserving A*&^ls can come up with!
just the thing needed to make it easier to restrict freedom of movement and assembly
And we've got a government funded fibre network going in. Wont that be a surveillance hoot? LOL VPN's are lookin' so good!
Treason? It'd be fair guess. But the greens demanding an explanation? If they were in power we'd all be living, surrounded by the sound of green jack boots, with the internet so slow it'd be rendered useless from their surveillance and censoring. That's if they cold keep the country solvent enough to be able to have the internet. Gimme a break!
OK, So, when does it start? The war that is? The civil War! I'm assuming that there is going to be one? Why else would you need the NSA to have the same sweeping powers granted by Lincoln? Cop out! Total Cop Out!
And the constitution of the USA showed so much promise. What a shame. Between the Immigration Bill and EPA enforced lies by Executive Order. the USA, I'm afraid, very afraid, is sunk. Which do you think will be the first State to attempt to secede?
"With the discovery that the NSA may be gathering extensive amounts of data, and the evidence suggesting makers of some of the most popular browsers may be in on the action" C'Mon people how neive do we have to be. This has been going on for years!! If I can encrypt my IP traffic, jump through VPN and proxy hoops to annonymise my browsing from my home PC what can the feds do with computing and storage power comin' out of their clacker? And with the fascist/corporate/crony capitalist state we find ourselves in, don't tell me it's not! Big business is in bed, big time, with the state right to the point of busines setting the ciriculum of education, uhum, sorry, training! it flows all the way from adulescence. To think it hasn't been happening before Snowden announced it? is neive in the extreme!
They will, they'll have to, to survive.
Not many seem to get how close to tyranny we are getting! The next economic crisis will probably finish democracy and any semblance of individual freedom off. The collective is gaining ground aided by the state. All we'll end up is one collective competing against the other. And it’ll all be for the "Common good". When you manage to get the focus of individuals onto the "common good". Any denial of individuality and freedom/s can be justified. Not long now tick tick tick.....
Your kidding. The yanks (in fact the entire so called "Free" world) are coming to realise their freedoms have been white-anted as well. Not long now... tick tick tick
I'd be guessing the person infiltrating systems is "Just following orders" Look that up! See where the west is headed! WAKE THE F^&*K UP!
Unless individuals demand and TAKE responsibility for their own stuff. Encrypt it, Host it, Filter it the "Authorities" will have the upper hand. Simple! 51%, or more?, of US citizens are comfortable with what the NSA is doing. Sorry, the US constitution is toast, the economy is toast, the USA system is toast. Analise it, look at it, tick off all the boxes of a Free society and an Authoritarian Society. Not hard when you look at history. Oh, Woops, Sorry, no one learns History anymore. Sorry if I offended anyone. I apologised for offended un-educated dumb people. (See what I mean?) It's Toast! Most are just in denial!
"Or do you think it's all a lost cause"? Apparently 51% of people polled thought it was OK for the NSA to eavesdrop. Yes, it's a lost cause. Not enough people are prepared to defend their freedom for any measure of perceived security. It's over! Time to buy gold, silver and heirloom seeds.
OK, No problem. BUT. Do they realise it will be used against them during the next crisis from which they elect a saviour that says "I will protect you from the people and organisations that caused your grief", "I have all the tools I need to prosecute the criminals that caused this damage to our beloved father land"? It's not Obama. The saviour will be cleverer than that! Obama is just another getting you used to the idea of giving up freedoms and rights in the name of security. You know you don't need "terrorist laws". What a lot crud that is. You only need a functioning "Common Law" system. As Common Law is clearly not in practice and the people are clearly clueless as to it's operation and intent?.... The people of the USA should fear themselves and the world should fear the United States. Any population that has the Firepower, and still industrial power of the USA that thinks like this, is a worry for the rest. Those that give up their natural freedoms for the promise of security provided by others deserve neither!
So when the definition of Terrorism and Criminal gets redefined? by some wacko Government or pressure group that has been voted in to "save" everyone from themselves or the oppressive/unfair system after the West collapses. If you can redefine the fundamental natural right of a Man and Woman to join together to raise a family, and pass provision for the state to claim responsibility for the off spring (Economic/Societal units) of that Union? You can redefine anything you damn well like!