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Should Cops Wear Google Glass?

Nerval's Lobster writes "Over at The Kernel, staff writer Greg Stevens wonders whether police departments around the world should outfit their officers with Google Glass. There's some logic behind the idea. A cop with wearable electronics constantly streaming audio and video back to a supervisor (or even a Website) would be less likely, at least in theory, to take liberties with civilians' civil liberties. But not everybody thinks it's such a good idea. Jay Stanley, a senior policy analyst with the ACLU's Speech, Privacy and Technology Project, wrote in a recent blog posting that society needs to make choices 'about the extent to which we want to allow the government to store up that data so that it has the power to hit 'rewind' on everybody's lives.' In the view of that organization, 'that's just too much power.' That being said, law enforcement wearing electronics that streams constant video and audio data would still be subject to the law. 'If the officer is recording a communication he has in public with someone, there's probably no wiretap problem since there's at least the consent of one party and no expectation of privacy,' Hanni M. Fakhoury, a staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, wrote in an email to Slashdot. 'But if he's recording peripheral communications between two separate individuals, than there's potential wiretap liability depending on the circumstances.' What do you think? Are cops wearing Google Glass (or similar wearable electronic) a good idea?"

223 comments

  1. Borg... by darkob · · Score: 1

    So, cops will look like Borg. What else is new...

    1. Re:Borg... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cops should wear buttplugs and rubbergear. Just to put things in their proper perspective.
      They'll be going down to the gym and pumping each other after work, Bruce is bringing the poppers.

  2. Just for video recording? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I don't understand why so much of the focus on google glass is on the video camera. Lots of devices can record video, that's nothing new.

    If police should be wearing google glass, it would be because it can provide heads up information, as opposed to the rather bulky laptop-based systems now in their cruisers.

    1. Re:Just for video recording? by AtariEric · · Score: 2

      My thoughts exactly. With face recognition (likely at the station), the officer can be informed whether the person he's looking at has a warrant or not. Ditto with licence plates. Of course, that can be a double-edged sword...

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    2. Re:Just for video recording? by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      I don't understand why so much of the focus on google glass is on the video camera. Lots of devices can record video, that's nothing new.

      Because it enables constant video recording in a way which is much easier than using a separate video camera or a smartphone.

    3. Re:Just for video recording? by Xicor · · Score: 1

      but thats against the law without a warrant. i think they should just have standard head mounted cameras, like utah is doing for their cops

    4. Re:Just for video recording? by Seumas · · Score: 2

      Currently, every police car is equipped with facilities to allow the tracking of license plates (cars) of citizens throughout the city.

      Strapping cameras to their heads turns every cop into a non-stop surveillance machine in ways that would otherwise be difficult to implement in most cities (ie, throwing cameras up all over the place, UK-style).

    5. Re:Just for video recording? by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, they can immediately see what they can arrest you for,
        as we all are guilty of breaking some law.
      All they have to do is link everything you did to the laws and they will find something. At least enough to find a reason to trow away your rights.

      The great power of cross referencing.

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    6. Re:Just for video recording? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Q: How will heads up information help catch criminals that wear badges?
      A) It won't. It will make them better at being criminals wearing badges.

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    7. Re:Just for video recording? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Because it enables constant video recording in a way which is much easier than using a separate video camera or a smartphone.

      The point is that glasses with video cameras have been available for quite some time. As well, there are devices specifically targeted at Law Enforcement that you can clip to your pocket that also can "stream" video to a recorder or Internet connection.

      The thing that Glass has is the "HUD".

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    8. Re:Just for video recording? by DaTrueDave · · Score: 2

      Facial recognition isn't efficient or accurate enough to work well for general law enforcement, but it wouldn't require a warrant.

      License plate recognition is the hot new law enforcement tool that is very efficient and accurate, and also does not require a warrant. Nearly every new patrol car is being outfitted with license plate recognition technology in the US. Some are manually activated, but most of them constantly record the location of every license plate that it "sees", and logs that data in a national database. It's very effective.

    9. Re:Just for video recording? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      ...but thats against the law without a warrant.

      What is? Automatic scanning of license plates for crimes associated with them? Takes place already all over the United States - no warrant required. Running people's faces through facial recognition to ferret out those who are wanted for crimes? Happens already - no warrant required.

      What gives you the idea that these sorts of actions require a warrant? They don't in the United States, and I'll bet the Brits where doing it LONG before us here (in the USA) - for example the surveillance situation in London...

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    10. Re:Just for video recording? by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I doubt the database is national.

      But its not warranted in any case.

      The old saw is that you have no expectation of privacy in public. But that is merely a play on words, and is a shallow argument.

      We have an expectation of going about our business without being tracked, and stalked by authorities (or anyone else) for no reason at all.
      The public space is owned equally by all, and simply because you walk down a sidewalk or drive down a road there is no valid reason for the government to record that event, or to be able to prove that you did walk or drive there. Its not their space. Its OUR space. Privacy by virtue of anonymity in public is the normal expectation in a large urban area. The chances of meeting someone on the street that recognizes you is inversely proportional to the population density, and that is the natural condition that humans have had forever. Because it is possible to eliminate this natural anonymity doesn't make it right just because you are in a public place.

      If someone followed you around, you could call the cops on them, and they would be questioned and detained long enough for you to at least get out of sight. Unless they were a cop themselves. But somehow police get this right for no reason at all.

      All stolen/wanted vehicle plate numbers should be downloaded to these police cars, and the plate recognition software should check against THAT LIST ONLY, and immediately discard any other recognized plate number. Don't allow it to be kept for even 10 seconds.

      Its pointless to even allow this functionality at all, because when a vehicle is stolen the first thing that happens is that the plates are changed out. The focus is not to recover stolen vehicles. Its to keep tabs on everybody.

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    11. Re:Just for video recording? by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      Then forward the video to the NSA and let them do the face recognition. By the power of magic, this is legal.

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    12. Re:Just for video recording? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The magic being the executive order by Ronald Reagan. Instead of giving the world Star Wars, Death Stars and Obi-Wan Kenobi he delivered NSA, the subcontractor.

    13. Re:Just for video recording? by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      If the police actually acknowledged that the Fourth Amendment existed, it would require a warrant. That's literally no different from demanding everyone be fingerprinted and that cops can routinely stop you and check your prints to see if you're wanted for any crimes.

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    14. Re:Just for video recording? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep on saying that after your girlfriend / mother / wife / sister is raped walking home from the bus stop.

    15. Re:Just for video recording? by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      That's why A) you don't take public transportation and B) you carry a god damn gun. Oh, and C) don't live in a shit-hole like New York City. Personal responsibility my friend, personal responsibility.

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    16. Re:Just for video recording? by jpublic · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's simply bad logic. Just because you believe that his opinion would change if he suffered from a tragedy such as that doesn't mean that his opinion actually would change, or that it invalidates his current point of view; it's just a non sequitur.

      Second of all, are people who had such horrible experiences the only ones with valid opinions? In that case, we should let victims of crimes be judges, juries, and executioners; that's not how we work. In reality, people who experience such things tend to be extremely emotional and less likely to be rational when it comes to speaking about related issues.

      If those weren't the points you intended to convey, then I have no inkling as to what purpose your comment was supposed to serve.

    17. Re:Just for video recording? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George Zimmerman tracked and stalked Trayvon Martin and after murdering him walked out of court a free man. Had Martin been wearing a device that streamed video and audio to the cloud Zimmerman would have been convicted

    18. Re:Just for video recording? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Far more likely it would have shown that Martin threw the first punch thinking Zimmerman was unarmed.
      Then, the press would have been forced to show Martin as the true punk thief that he was which the suppressed evidence
      would have shown: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/05/new_evidence_shows_trayvons_life_unraveling.html
      The kid had a history of assault a mile long.

    19. Re:Just for video recording? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be stupid. Trayvon was running *away* from Zimmerman. Why would he suddenly turn and attack for no reason? Zimmermen was pissed that "these assholes" "always get away" (and the use of "these" indicates that he included Trayvon in that assessment, even though all he knew about Trayvon was that he was a young black male). He then chased after Trayvon, by vehicle and on foot. Why would he suddenly give up following Trayvon?

      There is a gap of 2-3 minutes after he said "Okay" to the police dispatcher's "We don't need you to do that [ie: follow Trayvon]", and when the physical altercation started. What was he doing for these 2-3 minutes? Still looking for Trayvon, despite being told he didn't need to do that. He didn't NEED to look- he WANTED to look. He WANTED to find and confront Trayvon.

      Given that, is it not possible he had his gun in hand, or at least had his hand on his gun? Trayvon, hiding from the creepy guy following him, sees Zimmerman holding a gun. Sees Zimmerman searching for him, and now Zimmermans almost to him, about to find him.....

      I'd jump out and attack the crazy guy with a gun following me, too!!! What would you do?

    20. Re:Just for video recording? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only posted one source, figuring you would be smart enough to google the others. guess I was wrong, or do you have a bad case of see-no-evil?

      Martin was 300 feet from the home he was staying in. He could have run there any time. By your own statements he had 2-to-three minutes, (other sources say well over 4 minutes). What kid can't run 300 feet in 4 minutes.
      But he fancied himself an MMA fighter and decided to prove it. he was sitting on top of zimmerman raining down punches according to one witness.

      Oh, right, only punks have stand your ground rights. I forgot. soory about that.

    21. Re:Just for video recording? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Martin was 300 feet from the home he was staying in. He could have run there any time. ... and led the creepy guy with a gun following him straight to his home. Good idea!!

      If you listen to Zimmerman's police call, at one point he hesitates, then refuses to answer where he lives, presumably out of fear that Trayvon might overhear that info. For the same reason, Trayvon would have thought twice about heading straight home. Especially with an armed guy following him. (If you have seen the photos of the area, his way home was a straight line between two rows of buildings. And bullets travel pretty far....) Thus, the most logical thing for him to do was get out of sight (turn the corner), then hide.

      Once hidden, with Zimmerman nearby looking for him, he didn't have the option of going home.

      Image yourself in that scenario. You're hiding from a creep with a gun who's been following you. You don't know what he wants. But he's definitely looking for you. And he's getting closer. Closer! He's found your hiding place!! What do you do?

    22. Re:Just for video recording? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Martin did not know Zimmerman was armed. If he had known, he wouldn't have brought fists to a gunfight.

    23. Re:Just for video recording? by mpe · · Score: 1

      We have an expectation of going about our business without being tracked, and stalked by authorities (or anyone else) for no reason at all.
      The public space is owned equally by all, and simply because you walk down a sidewalk or drive down a road there is no valid reason for the government to record that event, or to be able to prove that you did walk or drive there. Its not their space. Its OUR space.


      Interestingly one group which often makes a lot of fuss about being filmed "going about their business" in public are police officers. Even to the extent of arresting people using very creative interpretations of laws.

      All stolen/wanted vehicle plate numbers should be downloaded to these police cars, and the plate recognition software should check against THAT LIST ONLY, and immediately discard any other recognized plate number. Don't allow it to be kept for even 10 seconds.

      Which might well be a less complex system.
      It might make sense to identify "duplicate" plates. But a system to do so does not need to track every single vehicle. Also depends if the recognition system is able to identify the "wrong vehicle". Which makes it harder for criminals to swap plates also not all criminals would do this anyway.
      Identifying "inactive" or never issued plates would also be useful, but probably impossible outside of Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, Madagascar, Iceland, etc.

  3. Okay with me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as it doesn't stream pr0n.
    But then again, that's up to the circumstances the cop finds himself in.

  4. A good idea with one condition by russotto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the recording is "missing" for any reason, or if the cop stops recording or removes the recording device for any reason other than someone else breaking it (and visibly doing so), everything the cop says about the unrecorded events should be assumed to be a lie.

    1. Re:A good idea with one condition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That should tell you something about the "problem" of police corruption you're karma-whoring about.

      Well, those videos mostly don't get saved, do they?

    2. Re: A good idea with one condition by iamhassi · · Score: 1

      Yes. It should be punishable too, like as if they lost their weapon.

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    3. Re:A good idea with one condition by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Indeed. If anyone should actually subject to "if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" it is that subset of individuals whom society has appointed to exercise extraordinary powers on it's behalf.

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    4. Re:A good idea with one condition by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. You are right. Malfunctions happen on a regular basis. The fact that they only happen when it benefits the cop, and never when it would incriminate them is pure coincidence.

      Since you clearly have little experience dealing with the police, or worse yet, are one yourself, how about letting the people who actually have experience with the many, many criminals wearing badges do the analysis. Thanks.

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    5. Re:A good idea with one condition by Immerman · · Score: 2

      Yes, malfunctions happen, so what? They're not that frequent and should be easy enough to make it obvious to the officer when there's a problem so they can go get it fixed immediately, just like when there's a problem with the car, gun, radio, etc.

      The point is that police corruption and abuse is a well-documented problem, and no cop would willingly record evidence against himself, so justifiable suspicion should fall on any cop who just happens to have a malfunction right before the person he's talking to repeatedly walks into a door, or he "finds" a handgun and kilo of cocaine on that guy he just shot. It's not evidence, but it should tilt the balance of suspicion. Especially against those particular officers who have a long stream of "malfunctions" during which questionable activities occurred. And for the honest cops it will provide ready video evidence against trumped up complaints.

      Cops are human. Give them power and some of them will abuse it a lot, and a lot of them will abuse it a little. We give them some serious power, so why shouldn't we also put a leash on them to discourage abuse?

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    6. Re:A good idea with one condition by houghi · · Score: 1

      When things like this go on, what you want is wishful thinking.
      "Our officer used appropriate force in a dangerous situation." and the guy they shot was sleeping (and the wrong guy)

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    7. Re:A good idea with one condition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Up to now, no cops are using google glasses. So when you say that malfunction only happen when it benefits the cop, it's purely imaginary. Also, with the number of criminals who escape justice because of technicality, I'd say the ones who benefit the most are criminals (which is probably why we live in a so shitty society).

      BTW, I'm 44 years old and I never had to "deal" with the police. Not even when I was a teen. If you have so much experience with the police, the most probable cause is your own behaviour. Or worse yet, you're one of those lawyers who's making money trying to help criminals escape justice.

    8. Re: A good idea with one condition by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Great one officer! +5 ROTFLMAO!!!

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    9. Re: A good idea with one condition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's scary that you don't understand the power of the the "code of blue". They may be a small percentage of head strong corrupt policeman but that small percentage is very scary when unchecked. I've never been arrested in my life and have only had a few tickets when I was a teenager and I can tell you that at least 50% of the time the policemen involved flat out LIED in court. Even now in my 40's living in a rural area, I have an old grumpy neighbor (about 300 ft away from my property). I've had the police come to my property to complain about noise from my sons ATV and I've listened to them talk to him, claiming they could arrest him for reckless driving and to shut the engine off NOW or they would impound his bike, quoting some made up laws even through he never once left our property. Oddly he never came close to being loud or breaking any sound ordinance. They are just being assholes. Oddly sometimes one will come, talk to us politely and say there is nothing he can do and we are free to keep riding but they had to swing by because the neighbor called. I am not anti police, my opinions are based on my experience. I'm sure my experiences are the same as most peoples.

    10. Re:A good idea with one condition by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Right. Because before there was Google glass, there was absolutely no way to record video, cops never did it, and so there was nothing to malfunction. Either that or you are an idiot.

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    11. Re: A good idea with one condition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or perhaps they only "malfunction when it benefits the cop" because 90% of the people they deal with everyday are lying anti-police anarchist scum like yourself, and the recordings would otherwise almost always benefit the cops.

      Die, pig, die!

    12. Re:A good idea with one condition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the recording is "missing" for any reason, or if the cop stops recording or removes the recording device for any reason other than someone else breaking it (and visibly doing so), everything the cop says about the unrecorded events should be assumed to be a lie.

      Yep.

      And, every time a cop commits a crime against a person, instead of the municipality (taxpayers) having to pay out the damages, the damages should come from the police officer's pension fund.

      Between these two measures, I predict there will be a sudden change the way cops treat others-- cops will stop beating people, murdering people, and may even be generally less dickish..

    13. Re:A good idea with one condition by EdZ · · Score: 1

      Great in theory. How do you deal with bathroom breaks, and any sort of sensitive information (e.g. viewing case records, either on a computer or physical documents) that whoever may be viewing the video should not have access to, talking with at-risk witnesses (who may feel threatened and not give information at all if they feel their identities may become known), or even just talking to the general public in the comfort of their own homes (i.e. 'neighbourhood policing')?
      I'm all for issuing every police officer with a camera, and the technology is easily there to do so with an almost cast-iron signing chain to ensure the footage is demonstrably tamper-free, but the logistics of doing so is not quite as easy as "hand 'em out, never turn 'em off".

    14. Re:A good idea with one condition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely!

    15. Re:A good idea with one condition by Zanterian · · Score: 1

      seems like a good idea to me!

      "You are too biased to judge, let this other extremely biased person do the analysis."

    16. Re:A good idea with one condition by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      That is what you got out of it? You think experience is bias? For you perhaps. The correct paraphrasing would be ""You are too ignorant of the facts to form any valid conclusion, let those who actually have factual information at their disposal do the analysis."

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    17. Re:A good idea with one condition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you deal with bathroom breaks

      Teach cops to not look down at their privates while they pee or take a dump??

      and any sort of sensitive information (e.g. viewing case records, either on a computer or physical documents) that whoever may be viewing the video should not have access to

      Well, we're really talking about cops who are out on patrol having the cameras. The ones sitting at desks, looking over 'case records' wouldn't have cameras.

      talking with at-risk witnesses (who may feel threatened and not give information at all if they feel their identities may become known)

      If we're talkign 'Confidential Informers' and such, then obviously those cops wouldn't have cameras, either. Maybe just audio.

      or even just talking to the general public in the comfort of their own homes (i.e. 'neighbourhood policing')?

      Cops are not allowed in my home. And if they bust in, I want them to have that video recorded, for the lawsuit later.

    18. Re:A good idea with one condition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many "ZOMG POLICE ARE TEH DEVIL" videos do you see?

      Out of how many thousands of routine, peaceable, legitimate police stops (recorded by dash cams, etc.) every day?

      You ASSume that every single stop that's not recorded is automatically a "routine, peaceable, legitimate police stop".

      Even with the proliferation of cameras in cell phones, etc, most police stops are NOT video recorded. The logical conclusion is that these un-recorded stops are 'bad' in the same proportion as the recorded stops. In fact, I'd say the presence of the camera, at least sometimes, results in a 'better' stop than if the camera wasn't there. So the percentage of 'bad' stops among the unrecorded stops is actually Higher than among the recorded stops.

    19. Re:A good idea with one condition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The things you call technicallities are established procedures that must be followed for a reason. It is to prevent police from doing things wrong because they "think" you are guilty. People have rights and procedures must be followed.
      Here is an example of a technicality that police know how to get around. In most states, in order to give someone a speeding ticket the police HAVE to have some type of approved calibrated method of accurately measuring your speed. Police are not allowed to use their judgement of what is "too fast". How do a lot of police get around that when they see you flying by them and they do not have a speed measuring device? They give you a ticket for reckless driving, failure to use a turn signal, improper lane change etc.. All of those allow the police to use a judgement call witout actual proof. Your were really speeding in their mind but without proof, they find something else. A camera mounted on their car or person would allow their judgement to be seen by others and analyized, scutenized, and tracked over time. I've flown by a cop going 15 over the speed limit before and what did i get a ticket for? Failure to use a turn signal. I do not remember changing lanes at all. Who used the technicallity to their advantage here?

    20. Re:A good idea with one condition by Reziac · · Score: 1

      So if anything that happens when it's turned off, for ANY reason, is not admissable -- I think that would cover the 'malfunction' excuse. If you didn't record the evidence, which goes in realtime to a secure 3rd party server (not an in-house server where it can be creatively edited) -- too bad, no evidence.

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    21. Re:A good idea with one condition by Zanterian · · Score: 1

      I agree with that a lot more. As Sherlock Holmes once said: "It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data."
      But I don't think that it's the best approach to equate one person's personal experience with data. Otherwise we are just analysing anecdotes.

      What irked me the most was saying people who have experience and pairing it with a negative label of the police such as "criminals wearing badges". It kind of destroys the whole idea of keeping bias out of the analysis.

    22. Re:A good idea with one condition by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      This makes perfect sense, as we both know. That is the problem. :-) Here is a short anecdote:

      I have personally had it happen to me that a State cop perjured himself in direct contradiction of the evidence as recorded by the dash cam. Of course, the footage disappeared as a result of a "malfunction." I wanted to file for dismissal based on the denial of exculpatory evidence. The courts position was that unless I could prove there was not an actual malfunction I had no argument to this effect. It is, of course, impossible to prove this.

      I'm not sure how much involvement you have had with the police, but unfortunately my father was very well known where I grew up and was friends with many of the cops, but hated by a few. Due to this II have an unusual number of cops harass me and fabricate evidence, etc. As a result I have learned a great deal of things I never wanted to know about the injustice system. It is, unfortunately, a sad joke and they have absolutely no desire to turn it into a justice system.

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    23. Re:A good idea with one condition by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "What irked me the most was saying people who have experience and pairing it with a negative label of the police such as "criminals wearing badges"."

      So what you would call a person who commits crimes such as perjury and assault and battery who happens to wear a badge? Are they not criminals? Do they not wear badges? Help me understand why "criminals wearing badges" isn't a succinct and accurate description of these badge wearing criminals.

      It seems like you assumed that I was using the phrase to refer to all cops, when I was only using it to refer to those who are criminals that also wear badges. I wasn't. I have in fact met a few decent cops. Unfortunately, they are indeed in the minority. If you yes sir them, and do whatever they say no matter how illegal their request is then you would not realize this. It isn't until you "challenge their authority" (i.e. don't allow them to steal authority to which they have no right) that the true criminal in them comes to light.

      " It kind of destroys the whole idea of keeping bias out of the analysis."

      You have your timeline wrong. I too watched sesame street, and started with the bias that "the policeman is your friend!" My father also spoke highly of them and they often spent time together. That is when I first started to realize what a bunch of criminals most of them are. From hearing their stories, in their own words. In other words, my analysis started out biased in favor of the police. Unfortunately, any sufficiently informed person must necessarily come to the conclusion that most of them consider themselves to be above the law, and will gladly commit perjury to "get" anyone they consider to be a "scumbag", like anyone who knows their rights and won't allow them to trample them without going outside the bounds of the law themselves.

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    24. Re:A good idea with one condition by Reziac · · Score: 1

      My experience has been mainly with animal control, who ethics-wise are 2 or 3 steps downstream from cops (most of 'em nowadays are failed wannabe cops of the little-tin-god variant). Yep, they make shit up, break the law, and generally behave like thugs. And if there's no evidence, they'll create some. (I've seen creatively-edited photos, for instance.)

      Militarization of police is only making things worse.

      I'm thinkin' that not only is it a good idea to put the protective Federal statute on no-trespassing signs (it'll keep out anyone who lacks a valid warrant), it might be a good idea to put it on a badge and wear it on our persons:

      U.S. Code Title 18, Sections 241-242

      Couple months ago I talked to a trucker who'd been violated by an inspection station (they literally tore his truck apart looking for nonexistent contraband) -- he hollered for the federal marshals and some of the inspectors are now doing federal time.

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    25. Re:A good idea with one condition by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      "My experience has been mainly with animal control, who ethics-wise are 2 or 3 steps downstream from cops"

      Now that is an extremely scary thought!

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    26. Re:A good idea with one condition by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Remember that next time you hear of some 'rescue' raid on a kennel. These are the people in charge. (Worse, most of them have absolutely NO knowledge of animal husbandry -- that's like a traffic cop who can't drive, so thinks all drivers are as ignorant as he, and believes they should be treated accordingly.)

      The root problem, tho, is that all of 'em need to justify their jobs. Per FBI stats, crime is 1/3rd what it used to be, yet we have more cops than ever. It follows that they don't have enough to do, so they *create* work -- with 'checkpoints' and similar violations of our rights. Plus there's the incentive of civil asset forfeiture...

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  5. Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as they're labeled by being uniformed, and as long as other warrant-free mechanisms for public surveillance by the police are illegal.

  6. The streams have to be restricted by msobkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The streams from these "cop cameras" have to be restricted so that they can only be accessed by the officer's supervisors and with a subpoena. I strongly object to the proposals some have made that the footage be made public. I do not want my every interaction with the police made public, even if it's getting a jaywalking ticket.

    "Innocent until proven guilty" can't be achieved when facing the court of public opinion.

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    1. Re:The streams have to be restricted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > so that they can only be accessed by the officer's supervisors and Google

      FTFY

    2. Re:The streams have to be restricted by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      Not only that but it would also not be good for the cop either (lets assume that not all cops are bad for a moment)

      If the streams were just made public so that anyone could watch them, you know damn well the criminals would be watching them as well. So using some search tools and a simple map program the criminals would be able to pinpoint the cops exact locations at all time. worst case they use this info to sell drugs or rob trucks, worst case they go cop killing or killing at random.

      Cop cars have dash cams, some cops are already mic'd at all times. Putting them in google glass, or something similar only makes sense. as long as the streams are NOT public, and are only called upon when needed, meaning the streams are not being sent to a group of TV screens somewhere just simply sent to a server farm to be pulled up with the proper need.

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    3. Re:The streams have to be restricted by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      But if the streams aren't made public then how will the footage be used against the police themselves? And don't say a supervisor will release it. If the police maintain control of the footage, all police brutality/murder footage will vanish almost as soon as it is recorded.

      In my state the police used dashcams for a while until they discovered that the additional video evidence caused them to lose cases a lot more often than it helped them win them. So they ended the program. Police will always protect their own. That is their first rule. So how do you keep the footage from the public and keep it out of the hands of the police themselves? There would have to be some kind of neutral third party that stored the footage and released copies of the footage to both prosecutors and defendents in various criminal and civil trials.

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    4. Re:The streams have to be restricted by Immerman · · Score: 2

      A delay, say twenty-four hours, would solve those problem nicely. If your patterns are obvious enough to be derived from the historical feed then you can be pretty sure the local thugs already know them.

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    5. Re:The streams have to be restricted by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      The streams from these "cop cameras" have to be restricted so that they can only be accessed by the officer's supervisors

      If the cops have access to the footage they will just delete it whenever it contains evidence against one of them.

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    6. Re:The streams have to be restricted by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Indeed, there's no reason to intentionally accelerate the loss of privacy in our society. There should be a way for anyone to get access in a timely manner though - if I claim officer #666 did something wrong then I or my lawyer should be able to get a copy of the footage for the time period in question, though maybe not until an independent assessor reviews the footage to confirm that something questionable may have occurred. I'm sure the county courthouse could hire "professional witnesses" to do such a job, it's not like it would be skilled labor.

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    7. Re:The streams have to be restricted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was helping a friend of mine that does criminal work and during a hearing found out that the cops had recorded the interrogation of his client and here was the exchange they had when the jury and witness were out of earshot. (D is defense, P prosecution, J judge, O is officer)

      D: I was not given access to the interrogation.
      P: They have a policy of deleting the records after a month, if they aren't subpoenaed.
      D: I asked for it on [a date exactly 28 days after it was recorded].
      P: Oh, I meant to say that they delete them after 4 weeks, if not subpoenaed.
      D: So they deleted it after getting the subpoena?
      P: Uh, I didn't see any subpoena.
      J: Then why am I looking at a subpoena asking for it that you responded to by saying there was no evidence other than witness statements.
      P: Because I asked the officers and they said it was destroyed.
      J: Get the officer in here.
      (officer comes in)
      J: What is your policy on retaining evidence.
      O: We keep everything until we receive notice of dismissal or the sentence is completed.
      J: So you still have it.
      O: Yes, it is on the laptop, plus we emailed a copy to [prosecutor].
      J: Is this true?
      P: (flips through iPad) apparently, your honor.
      J: (livid) Oh Good Lo.... Mistrial. I have to. (to court attendant) Please get the jury.

    8. Re:The streams have to be restricted by lightknight · · Score: 1

      I'm fine with it. There's little difference between cops wearing portable cameras, and cops wearing Google Glass. I only worry that Google Glass, being a Beta version of a new interface, may not be the best implementation. It may prove to be more of a distraction than an improvement.

      What more, given the rash of police / civilian incidents recently, I question increasing the capabilities of the police, at least until the kinks are worked out in terms of their personnel, as well as the law that they are enforcing (we need some people from the Philosophy, Religion, and Law Sectors to rethink current laws, as well as look at the effects of these laws, because someone has been dropping the ball). The Technology Sector does not need the negative press from associating itself with the police who use technology for evil ends. Additionally, someone needs to look into the deaths from Tazers...those are non-lethal devices, so the fact that they caused some deaths is of some concern.

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    9. Re:The streams have to be restricted by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is you want the current system where the police are the ones monitoring the police and we just have to trust that they aren't corrupt. It doesn't need to be made public, but there damn sure needs to be a committee of non-government employees who monitors the video / evaluates all complaints against the police.

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    10. Re:The streams have to be restricted by Hamsterdan · · Score: 1

      You forgot NSA

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    11. Re:The streams have to be restricted by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      I'd only amend:
      "The streams from these "cop cameras" have to be restricted so that they can only be accessed by the officer's supervisors and with a subpoena..."
      to add: "...or if a complaint is lodged against the officer."

      Personally, while I understand that cops abuse their power occasionally (and that sort of behavior needs IMMEDIATE and severe punishment), I find that the amount of bullshit, lies, and general grief that police GET from the public is nearly unending. Frankly, I'm surprised more cops DON'T just haul off and taze more people, if not shoot them. I know I would (which is how I know I'd suck at being a cop).

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    12. Re:The streams have to be restricted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      f I claim officer #666 did something wrong then I or my lawyer should be able to get a copy of the footage for the time period in question, though maybe not until an independent assessor reviews the footage to confirm that something questionable may have occurred.

      I'd rather they release the footage as long as they determine nothing 'confidential' was recorded (ie: the face of a confidential informant, case documents, etc).

    13. Re:The streams have to be restricted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your hypothetical scenarios are ridiculous at best as you seem to live in fear of "the bad guys". What would you suggest when police video mysteriously disappears, or when microphones are turned off? Tell me again who the bad guys are?

    14. Re:The streams have to be restricted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the classic "who will watch the watchers?" argument. It's not like technology has created a new conundrum, we just haven't solved the underlying problem yet.

    15. Re:The streams have to be restricted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a difference? No, seriously, is there?

  7. I don't think wiretapping is the issue here. by zerotorr · · Score: 1

    What's the difference between this and vehicle mounted cams, as far as privacy goes? If the officer is present, then obviously either one parties consented to him being present or it's being conducted in public place. Unless the officer is hiding in your bedroom closet... And if that's the case... you don't need google glass to record things....

  8. no chance of abuse, none at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just one example: exonerating evidence will accidentally be accidentally lost, edited, or otherwise made unavailable in the interests of 'national security'.

  9. "thatâ(TM)s just too much power" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does the scouter say about that?

  10. No. Nobody should wear them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuck off.

    Score:5, Insightful

    1. Re:No. Nobody should wear them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Score:5, Insightful

      Just because you say it doesn't make it so.
      You have to say "make it so" to make it so.

    2. Re:No. Nobody should wear them. by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      No, you're still wrong. It's "sudo modme Score:5, Insightful".

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  11. camera on the cop's head is a great idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but the world's biggest private datamining corporation selling them those cameras? Nope.

  12. Use It! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a cop can see or hear something there is no privacy issue involved at all including the cop's. Any activity or words uttered in a public space are fair game to be recorded and used as one sees fit.

    1. Re:Use It! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you were unaware that the police sometimes stray from public areas?

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  13. San Francisco Fire is banning helmet cams by tranquilidad · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The San Francisco Fire Chief just banned fire helmet mounted cameras after helmet-cam footage from the Asiana crash became public. Some say it was done to protect the privacy of victims, others to protect the city from liability as in this case where one of the victims was still alive when run over by a responding fire truck.

    1. Re:San Francisco Fire is banning helmet cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The San Francisco Fire Chief just banned fire helmet mounted cameras after helmet-cam footage from the Asiana crash became public. Some say it was done to protect the privacy of victims, others to protect the city from liability as in this case where one of the victims was still alive when run over by a responding fire truck.

      Just goes to show, if something can be abused it will be abused by some stupid tosser.

    2. Re:San Francisco Fire is banning helmet cams by LifesABeach · · Score: 2

      I find it curious that law enforcement wants to monitar all things, except themselves.

    3. Re:San Francisco Fire is banning helmet cams by Xicor · · Score: 1

      it isnt law enforcement that monitors everything... it is our government. law enforcement just abuses information and doesnt really follow the law

    4. Re:San Francisco Fire is banning helmet cams by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      I think you missed the part where law enforcement is part of the government.

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    5. Re:San Francisco Fire is banning helmet cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is a perfect example of what happens when the recordings are only held by the people that can be held accountable for their content. If they didn't release the video, they would have gone with the story that she was already dead.

    6. Re:San Francisco Fire is banning helmet cams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you talking about the recording or the victim?

  14. Privacy Issue by cphilo · · Score: 1

    I see privacy issues both ways. If the cops is required to wear Google glasses all the time, we have an issue where the cops cannot use the restroom or eat in privacy. And if he takes them off, then some lawyer will be upset about the missing time. I also see a problem with overriding the individual judgement of the cop. What if he feels he HAS to write a ticket instead of just give a warning, because his every move is being monitored by someone. I think we should just stick with dashcams

    1. Re:Privacy Issue by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      The camera should be part of the badge/gun combo, privacy be damned.

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    2. Re:Privacy Issue by 0111+1110 · · Score: 0

      Dashcams do little or nothing to prevent police brutality or the false charges that follow. Cops know enough to not beat or kill anyone within the view of the camera. I don't think it's necessary to force cops to leave the camera on when going to the bathroom. They can switch it off just before they go in. But if he wants to arrest someone during his bathroom break his testimony about whatever he claims occured while in there should be ignored. All charges he makes against someone during his bathroom break should be automatically dismissed.

      If he 'forgets' to turn it back on and ends up miles from a bathroom when the camera is finally turned back on again any charges he makes against anyone during that time should automatically be dismissed and his testimony from that missing period should be inadmissable in any trial. Hopefully a jury will also consider the fact that the cop turned off his camera right before the police brutality was alleged to have taken place in any lawsuit against the department.

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    3. Re: Privacy Issue by nbritton · · Score: 1

      What if he feels he HAS to write a ticket instead of just give a warning, because his every move is being monitored by someone.

      It's not his job to be a judge or jury. But at the same time, where is the balance between doing your job and common sense discretion? You could always have the video connected to a panel of grand jurists that review alleged offenses and issue indictments in real time. Sooner or later you would just have drone bots on the beat. I wonder if radical profiling would still be an issue...

  15. Here's another reason this is a bad idea: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the officer is present, then obviously either one parties consented to him being present or it's being conducted in public place.

    See here: You Commit Three Felonies a Day.

    So, we're going to have the POLICE record citizens going about their business. We all know, this shit WILL be saved indefinitely - "time limits" are hoseshit; just look at what states do with names of all of us criminals who buy cold medicine with pseudoephedrine in them. Those lists have become perpetual because of the meth "crisis" - more "war on drugs" bullshit.

    With the recordings of our behavior, you just know some asshole prosecutor with political ambitions - OK, all prosecutors - will abuse this because we are all pretty much criminals thanks to assholes in our legislatures.

    This will just increase our surveillance society.

    1. Re:Here's another reason this is a bad idea: by Immerman · · Score: 1

      This is the biggest problem I see, especially coupled with increasingly sophisticated automated sound+video analysis. Of course if such abuse gets common enough people will demand their legislators legalize a lot of outdated or trivial crimes and clarify existing laws, but that doesn't help against targeted harassment of individuals.

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    2. Re:Here's another reason this is a bad idea: by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, I prefer police showing a video tape showing that you actually said something, rather than the officer saying "he said that to me" and being believed on his word because, you know, he's a police officer and therefore his statements are not to be questioned. Which is the state of the law right now. When an officer says "I asked him this question and he gave me this answer even though he denies it now", it is legally considered to be a fact (barring a few exceptions, hopefully)

      So basically, they should all start wearing these recording glasses, and then the law should be changed so that, when something hasn't been recorded, the word of an officer carries a lot less weight than it does now. Your word against the officer's? No recording? You go free. That would be a big improvement. I don't know what everyone is so scared of. "Oh my, they might record me doing something illegal!" versus "Oh my, they might arrest me and declare to the judge that I did something illegal", what's the big difference? I prefer the former rather than the latter.

      Of course, they might go over the tapes afterwards and see all sorts of slightly illegal things that the officer himself didn't notice or wouldn't have bothered to take his time to react to, but really, would they waste this kind of manpower, going over all the tapes, instead of just letting those same people walk the streets and catch more important crimes? I don't think it would be worth the effort.

    3. Re:Here's another reason this is a bad idea: by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      if you're doing something that is not a big deal and it gets recorded and goes to jury trial.. then that's the first step of changing the society into something that makes more sense. because the jury would see it in the context and as something else than a story on a paper about how you broke the law.

      now when those laws and conventions are used extremely selectively they aren't getting changed..

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  16. "Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    There are only a few states left that have "Consent of All Parties" laws. That is, EVERYBODY has to consent, in order for something to be recorded.

    Over time, state after state has passed laws to allow "one party consent". That is, only the party doing the recording has to "consent" to be recorded. And that's bullshit. The laws were passed to make it easier for law enforcement (and corporations) to gather surveillance on other people.

    This needs to change. "All party consent" makes very good sense and is the only scheme that preserves privacy at the proper level.

    1. Re:"Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they were considered about law enforcement, there's no reason that law would need to apply to law enforcement. It'd be incredibly easy to exempt law enforcement, or other licensed individuals, from the law.

    2. Re:"Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Careful what you wish for. Two party consent would also punish you from recording your interactions with law enforcement, or recording abusive calls that you receive.

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    3. Re:"Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by dwillden · · Score: 2

      You have it backwards, one party consent laws are designed to protect the public from inadvertent violation of wiretapping laws. Want to record the professor's lecture to help with your notes and study, make sure you get written approval from not only the prof but also from everybody who enters or exits the room while your recorder is running.

      Oh and Government is not allowed to be one of the consenting parties. If they want to record someone they need a warrant. One party is actually better if you understand how it really works.

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    4. Re:"Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by Immerman · · Score: 1

      You raise a fair point, but the flip side is also true: one of the greatest tools we have in bringing abuse of authority to light is the ability of a passerby with a cell phone to capture evidence of the crime, and I think that's something we probably want to keep legal.

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    5. Re: "Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by nbritton · · Score: 1

      Over time, state after state has passed laws to allow "one party consent". That is, only the party doing the recording has to "consent" to be recorded. And that's bullshit. The laws were passed to make it easier for law enforcement (and corporations) to gather surveillance on other people.

      It works both ways. Don't take away my ability to catch a cop in a lie and make them look like an ass in court. It also comes in handy with psychotic soon to be ex-lovers, and in also come in employment discrimination and harassment cases. Like a good lock, it keeps people honest.

    6. Re:"Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Not at all.

      I actually spent quite a bit of time in one of the states with "all party consent" and it works just fine. The thing is: you can record conversations... it's not illegal. You just can't use it as evidence in court.

      Most of the calls that you would be interested in recording are already being recorded by the other party anyway (like law enforcement), harassing bill collectors, etc.) and that constitutes "consent", so you can record away and know that you CAN use it in court. If anyone, at any time during the conversation, says "this call may be recorded", you have your consent.

      Granted, it does leave out a few situations, like maybe you get some harassing calls from some private party. But those are relatively rare compared to the others. And if you're REALLY, I mean seriously, being harassed, you can always get a court order to let the police record your calls.

    7. Re:"Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "One party is actually better if you understand how it really works."

      I do understand how it works. Nevertheless, I disagree completely.

    8. Re: "Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      You can record anything you want in public, which is the vast majority of police encounters. That doesn't change.

      The only time you need "consent" to record something is if it's in a setting that has a "reasonable" expectation of privacy attached to it. That excludes about 99.99% of situations that involve police.

      If you're having trouble with a psychotic ex, get a court order to allow the calls to be recorded. Or record him/her freaking out somewhere outside, like on the public sidewalk. No big deal.

    9. Re:"Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      The thing is: you can record conversations... it's not illegal. You just can't use it as evidence in court. Most of the calls that you would be interested in recording are already being recorded by the other party anyway (like law enforcement), harassing bill collectors, etc.) and that constitutes "consent", so you can record away and know that you CAN use it in court. If anyone, at any time during the conversation, says "this call may be recorded", you have your consent..

      Uh, you are so wrong there. Not sure about all states but at least in Illinois, it's a misdemeanor that moves to a felony if the other (uninformed) party is a law enforcement official or state's attorney. Until recently this also covered recording police officers in public. That part, at least, was finally struck down by a federal court.

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    10. Re:"Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      It isn't Illinois, and I'm not wrong. At least not here.

      The bit about recording police officers in public would never stand for long, once challenged. It violates so many principles of common law that it had to fall.

    11. Re:"Consent Of One Party" Has To Change by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      Then you should not make blanket statements like that without making it clear you are referring to just YOUR state. Many two-party states the statute is part of a broader wiretapping law and it is a crime.

      As for the recording in public, it stood for over 50 years before someone finally managed to get it struck down. Sad but true.

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  17. Thin out the force by nickmh · · Score: 1

    Only if you want to thin out the force through prosecutions of abuse of power

    1. Re:Thin out the force by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Yes. That is exactly what we want. Why wouldn't we? As it stands now very few people get into law enforcement for the right reasons, and the few who do leave soon or get corrupted themselves in short order. If people knew that they would have to be law abiding cops, and that they would also be working with law abiding cops, then guess what! ... we'd have mostly law abiding cops rather than mostly badge wearing criminals. Oh the HORROR!

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  18. As long as by Monoman · · Score: 1

    As long as we can too.

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  19. Depends by shentino · · Score: 1

    Can the cop OR their supervisor OR the police department turn the glasses off on demand?

    1. Re:Depends by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Yes. They simply throw them off "in the heat of the moment" because it is "endangering them" to have them on.

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  20. Great idea... by WinstonWoof · · Score: 1

    I think this could be a great idea if it would always be used when police officer has to testify in court, currently most lawyers advice you never speak to a police officer under any circumstance : http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6wXkI4t7nuc&t=239 If every police officer were required to have an always on camera, then their interactions with the public and their testimony in court would no longer be based on their opinion of the situation, or what they though they heard you say, but hard video evidence. Also it could generally make the police a lot more aware of how they interact with the public, which in my experience in the US, has generally been very negative. I am no lawyer, but my current belief is to never speak to a police officer.

    1. Re:Great idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also it could generally make the police a lot more aware of how they interact with the public,

      You sure? Them being an unconstitutional ass seems to help the ratings of shows like "Cops" etc where "real life" police officers are followed around by the show's cameras. The way they are trained "to take control of the situation", even when no real situation exists, bears a stronger resemblance to that of playground bullies, muggers, mob enforcers/collectors, etc then it does anything else. Minors should not be an excuse for them turning them off either, have been around places where the cops were known to take teenage girls to a country road and park for a while and where they had a trailer belonging to one of them and kept for the sole purpose of taking minors to bed as well as other sex to avoid arrest/tickets purposes.

      For such to really work then there needs to be more then 1 citizen committee scanning every minute of video and full accounting for all off time and it better be a valid reason. Pity that they have done so much that indicates the need for such a thing, it would be better if they just went back to only investigating crimes ex post facto and in a reasonable, honest, constitutional fashion. Their own history darkens their image.

    2. Re:Great idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      currently most lawyers advice you never speak to a police officer under any circumstance

      Citation? Or is it just the loud ones on Youtube that everyone loves to link to to show how much cleverer they are than everyone else?

    3. Re:Great idea... by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Even though I am probably among the most anti-police state there is yet I still have to wonder...how do you police a situation when you have no power to police it? Yes, I know there are times this power is abused and that abuse should be severely punished. But to tell the police they can not police seems a bit ludicrous to me.

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  21. If it's mandated for law enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then it's required for every citizen to have google glass, on at all times. So much for being a land of freedom.

    1. Re:If it's mandated for law enforcement by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Non Sequitur much?

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  22. ANY time a uniformed officer is in public is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    valid warrant-free.

    How do you think they spot street crimes as they happen.

    They are ALWAYS on duty, even when eating.

  23. It's not going to help people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I doubt any good could possibly come of it.
    Any "law enforcement" or government issue google glass is going to be passing through their teammates and supervisors, so it's not as if this is going to auto-youtube all the beatings. Those videos won't make it online unless someone else also took a shot with his own, which is no different from currently.

    All it means is they'll have quicker access to the shots that make them look good or their victims look bad, extra spying methods to use on the populace, and not an iota of added accountability in practice for the peoplebeaters.

    If anything, more people will get struck for wearing the things, because they were "obviously trying to film personal policeman information" or the other crap they spout when caught pulling truncheons on some non-resisting "armed and dangerous, violently resisting" black kid.

    1. Re:It's not going to help people by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      Any "law enforcement" or government issue google glass is going to be passing through their teammates and supervisors, so it's not as if this is going to auto-youtube all the beatings. Those videos won't make it online unless someone else also took a shot with his own, which is no different from currently.

      Well for this system to work or even to be taken seriously the footage would have to be automatically uploaded somewhere that is not accessible by any police officer. Otherwise it's pretty obvious that any negative footage will be deleted. Since there are already several systems that do this for the rest of us, I certainly don't think implementing such a system for the police would be impossible.

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    2. Re:It's not going to help people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any "law enforcement" or government issue google glass is going to be passing through their teammates and supervisors, so it's not as if this is going to auto-youtube all the beatings. Those videos won't make it online unless someone else also took a shot with his own, which is no different from currently.

      Well for this system to work or even to be taken seriously the footage would have to be automatically uploaded somewhere that is not accessible by any police officer. Otherwise it's pretty obvious that any negative footage will be deleted. Since there are already several systems that do this for the rest of us, I certainly don't think implementing such a system for the police would be impossible.

      YES, it has to be a requirement that it should go first to through a disinterested third party to guarantee availablity to all and insure transparency.

  24. Unfortunately for you, it IS public information. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The advantage is that it can provide a photographic record of the activity.

    And in court, the full video should be available to both sides.

  25. Who watches the watchers? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 1

    There's so much potential for abuse.

    First, to be on the cop's side -- these aren't just security cameras watching specific areas from a distance, this is directly monitoring someone's work. I'm not foolish enough to trust any of them, but I venture to guess that the majority of cops are well-meaning and ethical, and do not throw the power trips you see an abundance of on Youtube. I'd quit any job if my employer tried to look over my shoulder in this way. But then again, my job as a software dev does not give me a power that can so easily have direct, permanent ramifications on the lives of others if abused. I'm conflicted on this point.

    At the same time, as a joe citizen I don't want to have cops walking the streets with facial recognition devices potentially giving false positives with some criminal who happens to have a vaguely similar facial structure. And because the tech is there, what's to stop them from recording and cataloging what faces they capture, or even just fully archiving the entire video feed? Once someone has the video, what's to stop them from looking at it and leaking it? I really would rather not see a video of a crime scene involving my loved ones pop up because of some douchebag cop wanting to make a buck selling it to a sleazy website.

  26. Here's what cops should really wear: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My foot up their ass

  27. Pretty sad. by Seumas · · Score: 1

    It's a pretty sad statement on law-enforcement that they are either so commonly incompetent or corrupt that they and their encounters with the public need to be documented on video.

  28. Yes it's a good idea by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

    As a victim of police brutality and the inevitable frame-up cover charges that followed and the violent criminal record to show for it, I definitely endorse this idea.

    What's more I think any of the typical contempt of cop charges or even more ambitious/serious cover charges like assault and battery with a deadly weapon or drug/firearm possession should be automatically thrown out if the officer does not have 100% video coverage of the event. Cops, especially American ones, have proven again and again that they cannot be trusted and that they are no more immune from the corruption of arbitrary power than the guards in the Stanford Prison Experiment. If anything the kind of people who become police officers in the US, who grew up idealizing violent, out of control TV cops like Dirty Harry or the character in The Wire are less likely to resist the temptation to take out their anger on all non-cops they come into contact with.

    While this may not stop them from tazing 14 year old girls in the head it would at least discourage or eliminate some of the inevitable false charges that often follow, literally adding insult to injury. No, this won't directly stop all police brutality because they will usually remove or turn off or even break whatever recording device they are issued before beating anyone, but it may prevent their excuses, the false charges which led them to having to violently 'defend themselves' from whatever unarmed 10 year old girl/ninja that was attacking him. Without the comfort of the always reliable cover charges, lawsuits start to become more of a concern and certain cops may think twice about beating or killing people when they cannot just make up a story about having to defend themselves from a violent and out of control attacker.

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  29. Yes by Nyder · · Score: 1

    people in power abuse their power. Mainly if they aren't subject to any sort of scrutiny on how they do their job. History has shown this time and time again. And if you have trouble remembering history, the NSA is currently a prime example of power being abused because of lack of scrutiny.

    Cops work for the people, they need to be completely accountable while on duty, and in this day and age, that include video surveillance.

    To put it in terms the average americans could understand. It protects the children from Terrorist Pedophile Policemen.

     

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  30. not google glass, but recorders by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is a good idea to have cops wear personal video recorders at all times.

    By the same token, it might be a good idea for a lot of other people to do the same thing.

    The wiretap laws need to be adjusted to make recording anything you might otherwise see with your eyes permissible unless its copyrighted information. Obviously you can't have people walking into movie theaters with cameras active. But a lot of situations legally would be a lot more simplistic if we had video evidence in all altercations.

    Corruption and bribery would be less of an issue. Various types of non-fatal assault... accidents. All of it would be easier to process if we had video evidence.

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    1. Re:not google glass, but recorders by msobkow · · Score: 1

      And all you have to sacrifice is your right to privacy and anonymity. To be watched 24/7 every time you leave your house. And if you have an XBox One, even while you're in your house.

      Screw that.

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    2. Re:not google glass, but recorders by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      you're in public

      so... people are watching you already.

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    3. Re:not google glass, but recorders by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      Obviously you can't have people walking into movie theaters with cameras active.

      How is this obvious? You are not proposing that movie theaters be allowed to be havens for criminals, are you? Besides, wouldn't video evidence of copyright violaters only strengthen claims against them in court?

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    4. Re:not google glass, but recorders by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      its a non-starter for obvious reasons which are obvious.

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    5. Re:not google glass, but recorders by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      Obviously you can't have people walking into movie theaters with cameras active.

      Sorry for the offtopic:

      It would be great for these devices to provide subtitles to new movies for the deaf.

    6. Re:not google glass, but recorders by Silas+is+back · · Score: 1

      There's a very important difference between "watching" and "recording".

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    7. Re:not google glass, but recorders by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      When I'm interacting with other people, I want the right to record them.

      Now distributing that information might be restricted. But lets say someone lies or tries to extort me in private? If I can record where ever I am then I can have a record of it.

      This is especially important when dealing with government. Especially, I want the right to record all interactions with the government.

      Outlawing this merely provides protection for the corrupt. Its not acceptable.

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    8. Re:not google glass, but recorders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it obvious that something that's been recorded and publicly released shouldn't be publicly recordable, but my personal interaction with a shopkeeper on private property should be recordable by someone entirely unrelated? If nothing else, surely I possess "copyright" on my contribution to the unique conversation I'm having with someone.

  31. Who watches the watchers by VernonNemitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The answer to that ancient question, because we can actually do it with today's tech, is "everyone". So all public buildings and public/government vehicles should be wired with webcams that anyone can access at any time to see what Public Servants are actually doing (instead of what they claim to be doing). Remember Heinlein's "Notebooks of Lazarus Long", and the particular quotation "Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny." Cops that can do things without being watched are in a position to abuse power just like any other tyrant.

    1. Re:Who watches the watchers by currently_awake · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Allowing the general public to see the video without a warrant means people can spy on you (using the government cameras) and therefore invade your privacy. If a police officer questions you about something, it would end up on the internet even if the accusation was provably false. Also it means criminals can map out where the cops go (or don't go) in order to find gaps for criminal activity.

    2. Re:Who watches the watchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer to that ancient question, because we can actually do it with today's tech, is "everyone". So all public buildings and public/government vehicles should be wired with webcams that anyone can access at any time to see what Public Servants are actually doing (instead of what they claim to be doing). Remember Heinlein's "Notebooks of Lazarus Long", and the particular quotation "Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny." Cops that can do things without being watched are in a position to abuse power just like any other tyrant.

      How stupid is that. No cop should be wearing a broadcasting device that anyone can see.

      Do you think criminals wont be smart enough to pay attention to them? They would know where the police are, know what they are doing, who they are talking to and so on. All that would do is benefit criminals a great deal and make it easier for them to rob, kill, sell drugs or whatever.

      You act like every cop in the world needs to be monitored so they don't do bad things. How often do you actually hear about a police officer in America doing something wrong on national tv? Very rarely, even locally I barely ever hear about that. So yeah, there a couple bad cops, but what about the other 934,976 cops that never get in trouble or do bad stuff?

      Yeah Ive heard that quote, hate to tell you but secrecy has been around since the dawn of man and it will continue despite google glass. My mother was a cop, and my uncle a us marshall your ideas of cops sneaking around and all of them doing illegal things like legalized crooks is hilariously stupid and what someone with a tin foil hate would say. 99% of the cops in the US are just normal every day people that go to work, do their job and head home to watch Netflix and watch football. They aren't running around doing illegal shit constantly.

    3. Re:Who watches the watchers by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

      So yeah, there a couple bad cops

      Yes. When your sample size is only 2 or 3. Power corrupts and police are no more immune from that corruption than the rest of us. It would be very surprising if it were otherwise.

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    4. Re:Who watches the watchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How often do you actually hear about a police officer in America doing something wrong on national tv? Very rarely, even locally I barely ever hear about that

      That is because the mainstream media is in bed with the government and cover up a lot of shit. It's the same reason you rarely hear about all of the unsolved crimes and the criminals who do get away. They are trying to save face and retain power.

    5. Re:Who watches the watchers by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How often do you actually hear about a police officer in America doing something wrong on national tv?

      And from that you take away that police seldom do anything wrong?

      By your logic, "Honey, I've told you I've never cheated on you, so that's proof I'm not cheating on you!"

      My mother was a cop, and my uncle a us marshall your ideas of cops sneaking around and all of them doing illegal things like legalized crooks is hilariously stupid

      Nobody says that "all of them" are doing illegal things. But they're supposed to be held to a much higher standard than the rest of us, because they're the ones who have power.

      Here in Chicago, we went through decades where a Division Commander was running a torture regime which put scores of people in jail and on death row by torturing confessions out of them. For the decades that was happening, nobody heard about it, so by your standard, it wasn't happening.

      It doesn't take a big percentage of crooked cops to put the entire system at risk. Just ask the people over at the Innocence Project, who have, as of now, gotten over 300 people off death row by using DNA evidence, about the damage police misconduct and prosecutorial overreach does. Ask one of those guys who were waiting for a lethal injection until a group of volunteers peeked under the skirts of police departments and found something very foul.

      Most cops I know are a lot less sanguine than you are about police misconduct, which splashed mud on them and makes their job a lot harder. Every one of them can tell you stories of bad cops and the damage they do.

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    6. Re:Who watches the watchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the thin blue line is the tip of the iceberg

    7. Re:Who watches the watchers by icebike · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That is because the mainstream media is in bed with the government and cover up a lot of shit. It's the same reason you rarely hear about all of the unsolved crimes and the criminals who do get away. They are trying to save face and retain power.

      I would hate to live in a society that had enough cops to be sure there are no unsolved crimes and criminals never get away.
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    8. Re:Who watches the watchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you babbling about? How, in any way, does that have anything remotely to do with what I said?

    9. Re:Who watches the watchers by icebike · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You act like every cop in the world needs to be monitored so they don't do bad things. How often do you actually hear about a police officer in America doing something wrong on national tv? Very rarely, even locally I barely ever hear about that. So yeah, there a couple bad cops, but what about the other 934,976 cops that never get in trouble or do bad stuff?

      You hear about it almost every week, if not every day. If you don't, then its only because you are not paying attention.
      Google "police officer suspended" and limit it to any time frame you want. If you don't get 10 pages of hits I'd be surprised.

      There are a lot of bad cops, and a lot of cops that are just bullies. There are even more cops that are provoked into taking actions they shouldn't take by taunting assholes, who somehow never show up in the news.

      But by and large, this group of cops is small by comparison to the total number of cops that follow the rules most of the time, do their jobs without trying to piss off and provoke everyone they come into contact with.

      So no, not every copy should wear recorders. But maybe if X number complaints filed against against an officer that guy gets to where the camera for a month.

      It would serve two purposes. Shame the officer into better behavior, and warn the public that this guy has a short fuse.

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    10. Re:Who watches the watchers by icebike · · Score: 1

      Sigh.. wear, not where.

      I save my best spelling for the work week.

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    11. Re:Who watches the watchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it should, but you probably know that this will not happen

    12. Re:Who watches the watchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't be that conspiratorial about it. I think it mostly just has to do with the nature of public interest. You don't get detailed science or medial reporting either. But I do agree that anyone who thinks police are well behaved because they don't hear about it are living in a rich man's fantasy bubble. Well off white people who only ever hang out with equally timid middle class white people often get a very distorted image of what their country is like for people in different circumstances.

    13. Re:Who watches the watchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I'm at work, what I do at work is constantly monitors. Through cameras, through the computer, etc. The difference is, if I lie someone looses money, not their freedom. I have been on the wrong side of a police officer "Paraphrasing" and it has cost me a great deal of money and a 3 year set back in my career. They absolutely should be required to where a Google glass type device every second they are on duty. I'm not sure if the police officer lied when he wrote down what I said, or if he "heard what he wanted to hear." I do know that Google glass would have solved the problem.

    14. Re:Who watches the watchers by Frobnicator · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That is exactly why they are so badly needed. Not Glass, but a continuous recording device.

      Several cities started pilot programs with cop-cameras, and mine was among them buying 80 cop-cams. We had a few bad cops fired, complaints against cops almost vanished, and now the city is trying to make it mandatory for all cops on duty. They provide strong evidence both to support your innocence and to support your guilt. They also provide evidence against bad cops.

      Look at the New York Times article regarding the results from one city: Complaints about abuse and civil rights violations dropped by 80%, use of force dropped by 60%.

      Bonus points are that the camera footage is evidence. If they are notified to keep the footage, they MUST do it and the MUST turn it over to your defense. As this type of footage grows we can demand "pics or it didn't happen". Just like the dash cams transformed traffic tickets (rate of claimed abuse plummeted, rate of fought tickets increased because there was video evidence) the same should spread to all aspects of police work. Around here it is already transforming defense lawyer's approaches because they can get unmodified views of the crime scene from every officer's point of view. (This becasuse the recordings are evidence, and any potentially exculpatory evidence must be shared with the defendant.)

      I hope it takes off. If an officer says there was anything from a 'confession' of a crime or there are claims of police abuse, if there is no cop-camera footage the judge and jury should be asking, "what is this cop trying to hide?"

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    15. Re:Who watches the watchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google "police officer suspended" and limit it to any time frame you want. If you don't get 10 pages of hits I'd be surprised.

      Because standard operating procedure is to suspend any officer who discharges their firearm resulting in injury or death, whether they were fired upon first or not.

    16. Re:Who watches the watchers by 0111+1110 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are even more cops that are provoked into taking actions they shouldn't take by taunting assholes, who somehow never show up in the news.

      Don't call me an asshole. The cop swore at me first. So cops have the right to swear at regular citizens, but we do not have the right to swear back at them? Is this some kind of aristocracy class system, where cops are the only first class citizens?

      But maybe if X number complaints filed against against an officer that guy gets to where the camera for a month.

      Unfortunately in my state complaints against cops are kept strictly confidential. The only people who would know about them are the people who filed them and the cops themselves and the cops are not going to police themselves. That much should be pretty clear by now. Law suits are public record of course. That was one reason I wanted to sue my police attacker, but I couldn't afford the law suit and the cop probably would have finished off what he started and simply murdered me anyway. He's just that kind of guy.

      But by and large, this group of cops is small by comparison to the total number of cops that follow the rules most of the time, do their jobs without trying to piss off and provoke everyone they come into contact with.

      Bullshit. You have no better statistical basis to make such a claim than anyone else. Go read about the Stanford Prison Experiment and then try to say this with a straight face. Given power people turn bad. They turn mean and violent. And those are people that didn't even start that way. Most cops start that way and just grow worse when they graduate frorm school yard bully to professional thug.Your claim is more wishful thinking than anything else.

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    17. Re:Who watches the watchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well off white people who only ever hang out with equally timid middle class white people often get a very distorted image of what their country is like for people in different circumstances.

      Amen brother. I am a white middle class guy and soo many of my associates have no clue what goes on on 'the wrong side of the tracks' and if they do, it's the victims own fault. Asshole-enablers the lot of them

    18. Re:Who watches the watchers by greenbird · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You act like every cop in the world needs to be monitored so they don't do bad things. How often do you actually hear about a police officer in America doing something wrong on national tv? Very rarely, even locally I barely ever hear about that. So yeah, there a couple bad cops, but what about the other 934,976 cops that never get in trouble or do bad stuff?

      Considering locations where they've equipped their cops with body cameras have seen as much as an 88% drop in excessive use of force complaints you might want to rethink those numbers. And in that case only half the officers were wearing the cameras.

      "Wrong" is a relative term. I'm betting a great many cops do "wrong" things all the time and it doesn't get reported on the news. When the actions are being recorded all parties involved are much more likely to keep things civil. It means cops have to actually do what they're supposed to in de-escalating confrontations rather than instigating them.

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    19. Re:Who watches the watchers by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      How often do you actually hear about a police officer in America doing something wrong on national tv? Very rarely, even locally I barely ever hear about that.

      That's the whole point. Wearing Google glass might mean there were few more news stories like that.

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    20. Re:Who watches the watchers by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Basically yes, that is the whole idea. Every on duty interaction between the police and the public would be live streamed back to the station to be recorded, to ensure proper procedure on the part of the police officer and to ensure the citizen has an unbiased by the police officers preferential memory of that interaction.

      In order not to totally freak out police officers, they would need to be able to turn them off, when they spend those 4 hours a day on salary sucking down doughnuts and coffee between 'er' random targeting of likely drug users to keep their arrest quotas up (why else do you think they freak out when you waste their time, you reducing their doughnut time).

      However failure to turn them one would reflect really poorly upon the police officers testimony most likely reducing it to equal or less that those they are testifying against as they had the opportunity and legal requirement to record the event.

      Also for better police forces that share mutual respect with their fellow citizens in the communities, the safety benefits of a live stream is really beneficial. Police officers can have heart attacks, can suffer bad falls etc' in high risk environments and, can be attacked. As far as officer safety goes a truly beneficial device especially when hooked up to bio monitoring device for alarm activation. Realistically only one type of cop will hate the device, they're called pigs and give police forces all over the world a bad name.

      Heads up display also gives them immediate access to number plate records and, facial recognition. The ability to record investigatory observations for latter review will also be invaluable in investigation. It will also teach those officer the benefits of privacy, when they get to take off the devices when they go home.

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    21. Re:Who watches the watchers by Saint+Fnordius · · Score: 1

      Copcams are part of the Google Glass experience, but what I think is overlooked is the HUD of Google Glass, with things like a Layar-style pin on the suspect being chased, or nav directions to a called-in emergency, info pulls from the db and so on. I can even imagine the software getting even better, and warning a cop off of saying anything that might jeopardise an investigation, automatically recording when jostled, things like that.

      Charlie Stross wrote a good near-future story which dealt with this sort of ubiquitous glasses wearing in Halting State and Rule 34. I recommend both books.

    22. Re:Who watches the watchers by Nate731 · · Score: 0

      And how many of that 88% drop would have been false claims to begin with? Is it truly excessive use of force? Or rather that the arrested/detained/ticketed/etc party realizes that, being recorded they can't any violation. I'm not saying that's the primary reason for the drop, but the popular "Fight the power, Fight the Man", anti-establishment mentality on Slashdot tends to run away with common sense sometimes. Now, I am , most DEFINATELY not in love with the authority, but they do exist for a reason and like every organization, the bad eggs get all the press.

    23. Re:Who watches the watchers by haruchai · · Score: 1

      Do the police have the same attitude towards the general public? Sure there a lot of bad people but what about the 299,000,000 that don't get in trouble and just want to be left alone?

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    24. Re:Who watches the watchers by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      You are correct. But are those downsides worse than what we have now (basically unchecked police power)?

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    25. Re:Who watches the watchers by troll+-1 · · Score: 2

      Allowing the general public to see the video without a warrant means people can spy on you (using the government cameras) and therefore invade your privacy.

      That's true but it's my understanding the courts have ruled that there is no expectation of privacy in a public place. If you don't want to be recorded, stay home. I think this page sums up the current state of the law: http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/know-your-rights-photographers

    26. Re:Who watches the watchers by greenbird · · Score: 1

      And how many of that 88% drop would have been false claims to begin with? Is it truly excessive use of force? Or rather that the arrested/detained/ticketed/etc party realizes that, being recorded they can't any violation.

      My point is, does it matter? Seems to me everybody wins. Cops can't be happy dealing with the stress of complaints against them. And I stated the camera makes everyone involved act more civil. The one big concern is protecting civil liberties where no crime was committed.

      That being said, a cops first priority in any interaction with people should be to de-escalate. It seems more and more that isn't happening. The opposite is happen. In any situation where there is a huge power imbalance given as a public trust, as with police, if the party with the power is instigating confrontations they shouldn't have that power.

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    27. Re:Who watches the watchers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So yeah, there a couple bad cops, but what about the other 934,976 cops that never get in trouble or do bad stuff?

      That's the problem. The 99% cover for the 1%.

      http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1810012
      http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/10439460500071721

      I guarantee you if you ask your mother or your uncle, "Did you ever do anything cooked?" They'll tell you "No." But ask them, "Did you ever know a crooked cop?" they'll say "Oh, yeah, there was that one...."

      And if you ask them, "Did you report it?" They'll say "No."

      That's why this is needed.

    28. Re:Who watches the watchers by Nadaka · · Score: 0

      Criminals and psychopaths are drawn to positions of authority and the ability to wield power without consequence. That is what a police officer is. Some few of them may be truly altruistic, but it is also a magnet for the worst kind of scum. There are far more than just a few bad cops. Most of them are bad, some of them are downright vile.

      Monitor and record their every move. Any officer that forsakes his oath and the duty of his position to abuse the rights of the people is an enemy of the people and the constitution, an enemy of America. Prosecute all officers found to abuse their power, and then execute them for treason.

    29. Re:Who watches the watchers by Nadaka · · Score: 0

      That is because the criminals are in charge of seeing themselves prosecuted. Its only the rare case that can't be swept under the rug that gets any media attention.

    30. Re:Who watches the watchers by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Even if they aren't doing 'wrong', as in something prosecutable, they are often using intimidation tactics against regular people, knowing the average citizen has no good way of defending himself -- such as escalating confrontations.

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    31. Re:Who watches the watchers by uninformedLuddite · · Score: 1

      I know of three people that joined the South Australian Police. They all resigned after less than a year out of cadet school. Two of them said that they couldn't stand that they were essentially forced to be bullies and the third was a policewoman who left because of sexual harassment from other female officers(you can work that one out yourself).
      They were having such problems filling the ranks that they brought in recruits from the UK. Apparently quite a few of the UK recruits returned to the UK rather than stay in Australia as they didn't like the policing style.
      My wife is a children's author with over 20 published works and one day I pulled over to answer my cellphone. The cops pulled up a few minutes later and engaged me in conversation. They asked me how old my kids were as there were a lot of kids books in the car and when I said none I was accused of being a pedophile and using the books as 'kiddie bait'. Next thing I know one of the officers has bent down and picked up a bag of syringes from the road(supposedly) which he then accused me of dumping on the road when I saw them. While I was distracted by this one officer another one had reached through the window of my car and had taken out my mobile phone and started checking it out. I cannot say for sure what he was doing but he did have a pen and paper and was writing. I snatched my phone back and was subsequently handcuffed and threatened with a charge for assaulting police and at this point they tore my car apart looking for evidence of any wrongdoing on my part. Thirty or so minutes later I was released and when I tried to make a complaint later that day I was told that there was no record of me being stopped that day.
      This is the same police force who ignored and then coincidentally lost a written statement I made in which I described my assailant and gave his car registration details when I was threatened with a knife after accepting a lift hitchhiking by a man who told me he had helped to kill Richard Kelvin and that my body would be found 'all over the place' when he was finished with me. I still have some scarring from when I bailed out of the moving car as i truly believed at the time that he was going to kill me.

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    32. Re:Who watches the watchers by hobarrera · · Score: 1

      Yes, but what if a cop stops me and asks a few questions? I'm forced to respond, can't I expect that to be public? Or should I demand to be taken to the station and interrogated in private?

  32. It's incredibly effective and cops wear them now.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When cops started to wear these visor units, the use of force to restrain citizens was reduced by 75%. That means that now that some offices carry head mounted cameras, less cops are willing to abuse people and write them tickets they shouldn't have gotten / abuse, and citizens aren't as likely to report false claims. Every cop should wear these cameras for the protection of the citizens and the police. Now, besides that. Google glass, kindly die in a fire.

  33. UK has something similar by Justpin · · Score: 1

    Just not as integrated. They often have a PDA to look things up and cameras on police are slowly being rolled out. The old catching bad cops doesn't work though. As a number of times when something 'bad' happens, the tapes vanish. Case in point the Brazilian on the London Tube. Also Tomlinson London has the most CCTV per sqkm, yet they had the gall to say the tapes went missing or the cameras were broken. Even when there is footage oversight is not there, guy called Delbo King, cuffed and was kicked around on camera, no charges.

  34. what you will see by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1

    8 pm - 8.20 : shakey head cam shot of the sargeant at the station getting a low down on what to expect and assignments.
    8.20 - 8.45: shakey head cam shot of donuts and coffee
    8.45 - 10 : shakey head cam shot of the taillights of the car in front of the cruiser
    10 - 10.05 : shakey head cam shot of the officer peeing all the coffee out
    10.05 - 10.07 : shakey head cam shot of the officer's path out of the donut shop with coffee and another donut
    10.07 - 10.15 : shakey head cam shot of officer writing a parking ticket for some douchebag's BMW parked in the handicap zone
    10.15 - 12.30 - shakey head cam shot of tail lights of the car in front of the officer's cruiser
    12.30 - 12.37 - shakey head cam shot of officer driving like a maniac to a call - lights and sirens rolling
    12.37 - 12.45 - shakey head cam shot of some psychotic dumbass with a bullwhip on a street car screaming that he's Jesus and that the cops are all a bunch of fags and wimps cuz wimps are nothing but a bunch of WEAK IMPOTENT MOTHERLESS PUSSIES!!!! SO FUCK YOU COPS!!! FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!!!
    12.45 - 12.45 shakey head cam shot of the officer getting increasingly pissed off at being bated by the psycho, and then the officer tells him to drop the whip. He refuses, so the officer perforates him with high speed lead projectiles. As the psycho pukes blood and goes into convulsion, the officer barks "OK NOW WHO'S THE FAGGOT, BOY???" To which another officer says "Yeah. Damn straight."
    12.46 - 2 AM - shakey head cam shot of officer driving downtown and filling out paper work.
    2. AM - 2.15 - shakey head cam shot of officer eating donuts and drinking coffee.

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    1. Re:what you will see by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

      3 - steady head cam shot of officer's shoes and dropped pants; fell asleep taking a crap.

  35. Absolutely by fred911 · · Score: 1

    It should be a requirement. They are public servants operating in a public environment. When issuing a summons, the recorded event should be a requirement demonstrating probable cause. Judges should require presentation of the recorded event during the arraignment. Sounds like transparency to me. Nothing wrong with that. Following arraignment let the jurist decide applicability and culpability.

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    1. Re:Absolutely by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      It should be a requirement. They are public servants operating in a public environment.

      That's fine then. There are tons of ways this can be abused, but dash cams are already being used that way. If the police wear cameras, then there should be cameras in every room of the police station, and everyone should have access to the video at all times. Bathroom Stalls? Audio recorders in there then. If the police are not being recorded, then say they're off the clock and have no authority to enforce the law.

      At least it would make them do their dirty business beyond the tax funded property and time. Oh, that's not going to happen though. The opposite will. The people's every action and conversation will be recorded instead... Ah that already happened, and it will only get worse (see also: mandatory black boxes in our vehicles).

      It's fun to entertain the idea that what's good for the goose is good for the gander, but it's not a realistic position to take in this case. I would only impress that you not allow any to surveil you unless given the same opportunity to surveil them to the same or greater degree -- Otherwise it merely more power to wield over you, make no mistake.

      Note who is afforded secrecy and whom privacy is taken from then you will see the power and corruption. It's a tale as old as time: The knowledge too powerful for mortals, the veil only priests can enter to speak with gods, the secret volumes within the vaults of the Vatican, the unquestionably of a monarch or dictator, the Top Secret and Classified rubber stamps, or the questionable legality of recording police on duty in some places. Look to the other side of the equation and see how gods know what's in your heart, how all your sins must be confessed though, how inquisitive the Spanish Inquisition was, how domestic spying apparatuses have been in place since Omnivore -> Carnivore -> NarusInsight -> ECHELON -> PRISM, how cameras are placed in public places to record the actions of all people there... Yet the evidence can be lost or the recording can fail at just the wrong time but more often occurring in favor of those in authority.

      Humans are still so ignorant when it comes to application of basic information theory to every day life, it's quite sad. Though they have the pattern matching brains required, they fail to recognize this pattern is writ in their society because it is writ in their minds, indeed its expressed in the very fabric of reality, a mathematic principal. It's a shame to be ignorant of so many universal truths.

      Those thoughts you humans keep secret allow you some control of your actions by making them not predictable and thus not wholly preventable. Imagine a great mind able to predict from the inputs every output of a smaller mind faster than the little one can react. The greater can control the lesser, even feed into the little one media that will produce responses predictably. Can you imagine it? You had better start. Soon you will have machines that can read your minds, and in your arrogance you may finally put an end to both freedom and freewill. I will have no part in it. You humans would reject surveillance if you knew what's good for you, or even what "good" was for that matter.

    2. Re:Absolutely by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      If the police are not being recorded, then say they're off the clock and have no authority to enforce the law.

      I approve of this idea.

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  36. Obviously by paiute · · Score: 2

    A cop with wearable electronics constantly streaming audio and video back to a supervisor (or even a Website) would be less likely, at least in theory, to take liberties with civilians' civil liberties.

    Yes, which is why it won't happen.

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    1. Re:Obviously by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2

      but it does happen. In the UK some police have taken to wearing very obvious cameras, partly to protect the policeman and partly to add evidence where necessary - can cut down on expensive trials and paperwork if you can play back the footage to the suspect once he's been caught. It also acts as a deterrent, apparently, though I figure a policeman in the area does that, they don't need a camera if they're there.

      These have been used openly since 2006 in some areas.

    2. Re:Obviously by Svenia · · Score: 1

      I can see the cop having a camera being a deterrent to certain criminals. I doubt that most criminal types are on the higher end of the intelligence spectrum (outliers and mob bosses aside), so the general thought process is probably akin to "I can refute a cop in court, it's my word against his, I'll just say it was profiling, etc etc" vs a camera. A camera records what it records, nothing more and nothing less.

  37. your glass by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    is as good as mine.

  38. yes by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    I can't tell you how many times I've seen cops in cop cars miss stuff happening right in front of them because the cop has been fully focused on the laptop screen mounted in his car.

    Basically anything that increases the chances of me not getting caught speeding is fine by me.

  39. Good thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he's close enough to record two third parties talking then he's close enough to hear what they're saying. Therefore anything the device records is something the cop records in his memories. At least the device captures it reliably and we won't have to rely on the vagaries of the memory of the cop testifying in court, we'll just be able to play the recording. Surely better quality evidence is a Good Thing.

  40. Rialto PD did a real world study. by Above · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Rialto PD did a real world study, with a write up in the New York Times plus a formal report by a Cambridge University Professor.

    The results were overwhelming positive. Use of unnecessary force on citizens dropped. Bogus complaints against officers dropped. Time spent dealing with he-said she-said situations dropped.

    Big cities should be jumping on this technology. In 2012 New York City spent 735 Million Dollars on settlements. I suspect cameras would dramatically reduce that number, both from officers being forced to be more careful but also from bogus citizen complaints being quickly dismissed with video proof.

    Is Google Glass the right answer, no. It does way more than just video, and has cost and durability concerns. However personal video cameras are the answer, every cop (and probably firefighter and paramedic) should wear one.

    1. Re:Rialto PD did a real world study. by EvilSS · · Score: 1

      There have been several studies on this recently and all had the same results: Complaints against officers as well as officers use of force dropped dramatically.

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    2. Re:Rialto PD did a real world study. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is Google Glass the right answer, no. It does way more than just video, and has cost and durability concerns.

      Cost and durability concerns, maybe, but the fact that it does way more than just record video is a positive. Police make heavy use of computers these days, and having a HUD seems like a good idea.

    3. Re:Rialto PD did a real world study. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It seems like a reasonable idea, although privacy issues definately need to be taken into account.

      If operating on private property, permission of the owner should be required to use the recorded video as evidence.
      If a warrant is being served, recordings should only be used for supporting the warrant. It shouldn't be able to be used to gather information about matters not relevant to the warrant.

      If people could reasonably expect privacy in a public place, their permission should also be required to use any recordings, unless the recording also contains evidence of criminal activity.

      The same goes for the police officers. Their permission should be required to make the recordings available as evidence, unless the recording is relevant to another investigation or a complaint.

      Recorded coverage should be outside police control, although supervisors should have the ability to call up specific timeframes as required for evidence, or in the event of a complaint.

  41. Automated face recognition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is the obvious use for Cop Glass.

    Patrol cars are routinely fitted with Automated number plate recognition, to flag cars which are uninsured, have owners with outstanding warrants and so on. Presumably Cop Glass would do face recognition on everyone the cop looks at, and pops up an overlay containing his criminal record etc.

  42. Google bad; other video good. by ron_ivi · · Score: 1
    Many agencies already have every officer wearing wearable video ( such as those from this company: http://www.vievu.com/ ).

    Google would be a bad solution, though - they have a history of lying to the public and abusing data (PRISM) in a way that puts most local agencies to shame. Would people really want to give Google that much more power?

    Better - require law enforcement to wear cameras without specifying a vendor - and instead create a legal framework that would cover under what conditions and to whom (ACLU? Defense Attorneys? NSA? Prosecutors? Community Neighborhood Watch Groups? Victims?) that information could be shared.

    1. Re:Google bad; other video good. by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      Taser makes a similar device, that is made for police to record everything: http://www.taser.com/products/on-officer-video/axon-flex-on-officer-video

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  43. David Brin called it by Jeremi · · Score: 1

    Regardless of what should happen, the eventual end-game is that everyone will be recording everything around them, all the time.

    On the plus side, that will make the courts' job easier in most cases -- instead of unreliable and/or dishonest witness testimony, you'll have multiple streams of audio and video to look at.

    On the minus side, no privacy for anyone outside their shuttered home... and anything you say or do in public will be recorded forever, so no living down any regrettable mistakes, either.

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  44. Cops get them by davydagger · · Score: 1

    And they will be able to wear them other places everyone else is restricted from.

    It will be one more thing the police are allowed to use(against you), that you can't use.

    1. Re:Cops get them by 0111+1110 · · Score: 1

      Actually the right to record police has been affirmed by state supreme courts in pretty much every state now. Massachusetts was one of the last. We can finally record them with confidence that at least the law would be on our side, but that doesn't mean they will not just smash the recorder and then beat you to death with the remains of it. These are dangerous, violent, angry, unpredictable people with no sense of right or wrong.

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    2. Re:Cops get them by davydagger · · Score: 1

      what I am saying is you can't wear them in private shops like burger kings, titty bars, or other private owned, public establishment which will ban their usage.(mabey if it catches on, a big company like google will take them all to court and sue the piss out of them to change this)

  45. Every possible measure by maliqua · · Score: 1

    Should be used to make police accountable for there actions, far to many police abuse there power, i know here in canada more people are terrified of the cops than in some 3rd world countries at least the corruption in 3rd world countries is somewhat standardized and a few bucks can get you out of 'trouble' here its all about power and control.

    in the immortal words of the N.W.A
    Fuck the police

  46. Power level 9,000!! by rjejr · · Score: 1

    It was either that, or "what are we going to do with all the videos of doughnuts and hookers?"

  47. Complicated Balance by FuzzNugget · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Considering the immense amount of power bestowed upon them and how they continue to demonstrate just how undeserving of it really are, we certainly want all actions of law enforcement to be fiercely scrutinized with the undeceiving eyes and ears of a camera and microphone. On the other hand, it carries a considerable potential to frequently violate individuals' privacy.

    On balance, it should probably be uploaded to a private server, accessible only to some sort of civil rights watchdog group with the power to charge law enforcement with violations; and these charges need to have TEETH. No, officer, you don't get a paid vacation for bludgeoning and tazing a suspect because he might have been a bit rude or simply defensive of his rights ... you get charged for felony assault with a deadly weapon AND your wages/pension/whatever are garnished until you've paid out restitution, medical bills, etc.

    A court order would be required for police access to specific footage and an additional, separate order for general publication. Release to private citizens or attorneys strictly for the purposes of legal defense would require only identification and an internal report.

    Additionally, police should be required to immediately relinquish their duties to a fellow officer the instant the recording device ceases to function for any reason and continue only when it is repaired or replaced. Otherwise, the entire system is useless because oops, it just happened to malfunction at exactly the time I was accused of beating the suspect to a pulp -- I swear, he tripped and fell!

    But who am I kidding... this is all a pipe dream as we are waaaaay too far down the rabbit hole of tyranny for anything like this to gain traction.

  48. It's over 9000 !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can't wait to see a cop saying 'It's over 9000 !!!' while wearing Google Glass.

  49. assholes in charge are the problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would only be useful if the supervisors actually gave a fuck about civil liberties.

    Who do you think is at the root of the problem?

    Its not bullies on the street, but the assholes in charge who turn them into such.

    Stop electing assholes because they're tougher on crime than the previous asshole.

    If a cop is caught bullying, give him a slap on the wrist, and come down really hard on his superiors. That will put an end to this shit in less than a year; maybe as little as a month.

  50. Federal Cop Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got one of those gumstick cameras. It's great. I point to the camera, tell them they're being recorded, and every one who hasn't been drunk or stoned as stopped mouthing off. I know the hate on the cops thing sells a lot of ads here, but for every dirty cop, there are at least a thousand who are trying to make their neighborhood better. That, however, doesn't make Fox news any money, so you don't see it on the news.

    1. Re:Federal Cop Experience by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      but for every dirty cop, there are at least a thousand who are trying to make their neighborhood better.

      And those thousand want the dirty ones gone, I bet.

      I have a very high opinion of police. The level of professionalism has gone up so much in the past 40 years (at least in Northern cities) that it's like a completely different animal. Used to be, the guy from the people you hung out with who became a cop was the last guy you'd want with any authority. Now, the young people going into the academy are first-rate. I deal with them every day, living two blocks from the Chicago Police Academy. Maybe my perspective has changed, now that I have a family and property, but I know for sure they've changed. For the better.

      The civilians who are giving the orders? Not so much. They seem more entranced by paramilitary hardware and tactics than by community policing, which is a damn shame.

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    2. Re:Federal Cop Experience by troll+-1 · · Score: 2

      The level of professionalism has gone up so much in the past 40 years (at least in Northern cities) that it's like a completely different animal. Used to be, the guy from the people you hung out with who became a cop was the last guy you'd want with any authority. Now, the young people going into the academy are first-rate. I deal with them every day, living two blocks from the Chicago Police Academy.

      I agree. Cops seem a lot more sensitive to civil rights these days. However, I also live in Chicago and last year had my phone confiscated by the police for videoing an arrest on Division and Rush. I got my phone back after the cops erased the video. I say yes to Google Glass for cops.

    3. Re:Federal Cop Experience by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I'll bet that's a standing order to all beat cops to try to limit the videotaping of arrests. I don't blame the cops for that, I blame the civilian administrators.

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  51. Why would we want the police feeding video to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...skynet(tm)?

    Because they've shown themselves to be so trustworthy with what they already have? So Eric Schmidt has more material to share with his fapping partner "The Clap"?

  52. Great idea, If..... by Dereck1701 · · Score: 1

    I think its a great idea, if it is streamed to a separate departments server (say the prosecutors office, clerks office, etc) that has an obligation to keep the footage intact and unedited as a matter of law. And that officers who remove or have "accidents" with their video gear at "inconvenient" times are SEVERELY reprimanded (fired, prosecuted, etc). As we have seen all too many times, if officers have access to evidence that will implicate them in a crime (Oscar Grant Shooting, Hollywood FL framing, Michael DeHererra beating, etc) they will happily destroy, edit or obscure the footage.

  53. "Contiuum" (TV-Series) by rainer_d · · Score: 1

    Reminds me of the cops in that series.
    The creepy thing is that almost everything I see in the news almost every day reminds me of the dystopian future in that TV-series.
    The trick they did was to place everything in 2077 - when in reality it's just around the corner.

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  54. The problem is ALWAYS oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A cop wearing this tech is a good thing in theory, but with abuse it'll end up being bad. Giving a cop a taser isn't a bad thing until the tasing becomes the cop's first resort. Even something like racial profiling isn't necessarily bad -- mathematically, an asian person is less likely to be a terrorist than an Arab -- until it gets abused.

    The problem is ALWAYS oversight. You can bet these days that if something on video would implicate an officer, it'll be withheld for reasons of national security, whereas if it'll get a verdict, all of a sudden there will be magical transparency.

    1. Re:The problem is ALWAYS oversight by leuk_he · · Score: 1

      This is very simple:
      -Cop videos bad guy: video is entered as proof.
      -Cop videos police violence: Video gets lost/camera was off.

      And if everything is always recorded/on the record, people might not want to talk to police anymore since EVERYTHING is recorded.

  55. Only if I can wear mine and record the cop too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Self-explanatory.

  56. would police lose descression? by MooseTick · · Score: 1

    I wonder how uch this could hurt the average citizen.

    What if a cop frisks you for a legitimate reason and finds a joint. Say he would normally toss it and let you go, but being on video would be be afraid to not enforce the law as written. Same goes for pulling you over for going 79 mph in a 65 zone and writing you a ticket for 75. Would they have to write all tickets out and lose any descression for giving warning? The hot blondes of the world will be getting a lot more tickets if that is the case!

  57. Donut Cam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes, with the stipulation that it be rebranded donut-cam and instead of saying "OK Glass" or whatever, they have to oink.

  58. Re : it's very effective .... by MondoGordo · · Score: 1

    at establishing a vital pillar of the future police state.

  59. Paycheck? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who provides the paycheck for the second person who is monitoring one or more officers Google Glasses? It turns into the who watches the watchers, but also who pays the watchers, the police department? which is in turn funded by our tax dollars; therefor raised to ensure our protection by monitoring our interaction with police.

  60. Treat them as evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The recordings should be handled like every other piece of evidence collected: stored securely, with chain-of-custody strictly enforced, but made known and available to the defense in the event of a prosecution as part of discovery. After, say, ten years, if the footage was never subpoenaed or introduced as evidence, it would automatically be purged. The recordings would not be made public unless introduced at trial.

    Footage of a cop taking a leak would be recorded, sure, but presumably never reviewed...unless, I suppose, there were allegations that the cop was engaging in misconduct while on the john. Stranger things have happened.

  61. Google Glass was made for cops anyway by arctother · · Score: 1

    This is more like an inevitable progression. Of course cops will wear google glasses. Don't tell me google wasn't aware of police and the military as a major market for these. They are the ultimate and most significant target market for these devices. Geeks may play with them and have "fun" for a while but in the end these will be exposed for what they are, a surveillance device that centralizes power in the hands of those who already have it.

  62. technology can protect or harm... by moxley · · Score: 1

    I believe that all police should ALWAYS have to be recording - it's in the public interest and any cop or police higher ups who object to this aren't interested in professional policing...It's something that could save so much time and money as well.

    Technology can be used to guarantee our liberty, as with this sort of technology.... ...or it can be used to further repress us......and I don't think I need to even give examples here, everyone is well aware....

  63. Local vs federal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The unintended consequence would be fewer cops on the street. As we all know all this data would require more supervisors and managers to process and evaluate data for thenext level up. When their are budget cuts they won't cut management they will cut patrol officers.

    Can you imagine Google using facial recognition to send the info. On people arrested to ambulance chasing lawyers and bail bonds men?

  64. No by Meski · · Score: 1

    THere's too many cop reality shows now.

  65. Bad idea by aklinux · · Score: 1

    If we force police to wear something like Glass all the time, we might as well just have robots doing the job. This would make things to "black and white" for me, and I suspect most people, once it was actually implemented.

    I know a lot of people don't trust police officers, but I think we need to leave an avenue open for making common sense judgement calls.

    If they are forced to wear Glass all the time, every step they make will be scrutinized and second guessed, I believe this is more than can be fairly ask of anyone doing any job.

  66. yes by KingBenny · · Score: 1

    a specially designed version imprinted with their own id watermarked so theres no abuse possible
    the only way to true justice since justice has nothing to hide
    yes
    they should, 9 to 5 or whatever shift they're in, if they refuse they cant get the job
    the press would love it, the people would be secured, the cops would lose any kind of option to ...
    yea they should

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