If true, that's an interesting little problem, i'll have to try that when I get to the office. On a par with how does "find . -name * -print" work these days when it you used to have to escape the *. Also "tar xv *" works in some shells these days too.
You can get plenty of software already ported to HP-UX in depot format, including gcc and gnome from your friendly hpux porting site. try This on in the uk
Just download and insatll with swinstall.
Regards
A few years back I wanted to add some functionality to the fvwm95 task bar as well as fix a couple of bugs. I'd never looked at any window manager code before and had no idea how modules would work and communicate.
I quickly found it concise, elegant and above all logical, I was able to make my changes incredibly quickly and added a few more things I rather fancied just because it was all so clear.
So congrats to the multitude who work(ed) on these projects and thanks, even though I no longer use the fvwm line of managers.
British citizens were never disarmed. They never had arms. They also don't really want arms, nor need them. Do you have any idea just how low the figures for shootings are in the UK?
Actually, I think you'll find Microsoft has 90% of desktop PC's which nobody is going to bother cracking. Microsoft have much less that 50% of the server market so you would expect far fewer Windows security attacks, not more.
To me, this doesn't mean much in terms of who has the best OS but I juts thought I'd put you straight.
I can only speak for the uk here but if someone gets shot with a gun here, it's on the evening news. I don't have any stats on this but I suspect deaths by firearms in the entire country of around 50 million amount to less than 10 or 20 a year.
Carefull you don't fall for your own government's propaganda.
The Syrians, the North Koreans and indeed the Cubans have a much greater respect for their own government than most people in the west have for their governments.
We never question why democracy is supposed to be the holy grail of governmental systems. It may be, but many "oppressed" countries are much happier with their government than you are with yours.
Many countries are oppressed but you nor I really can say which ones these are
No, I didn't mean it was insecure, I meant it was a bit dumb keeping your configuration file in a place that can only be accessed after you've already booted. It's a bit like keeping the telephone number of your computer repair man on your hard disk.
Glad to hear lilo now goes beyond 1024.
I agree that it's my problem if I forget to run lilo after a kernel build. It's also my problem if I trip over in the street. However, I have done both of these and many other people I know have too. It doesn't help to have your old kernel around because at least 50 percent of the time, if you do this, you don't get past "LI". And then you have to boot off CD or floppy, mount your root partition and then run lilo -f or whatever it is which is more annoying than never having to worry about it.
I tend to install new versions of Linux into a different root partition so that I keep my old install and just share swap, home directories and/usr/local between the two distro's. I keep several kernels in my DOS partition, have a nice MSDOS.SYS style menu to select which install to boot and never ever ever do I have a non bootable PC.
I'd be interested to know exactly what people might consider is wrong with loadlin.
I'll have to disagree here. I have been running Linux since early '95. I have no Windows partitions. I do, however, have a 10MB DOS partition. Here is why I use loadlin.
Running any any kind of boot manager where the configuration file is just a normal text file on a file system of one of the operating systems it boots seems a bit dangerous to me.
Want have your linux stuff somewhere greater than 1024 cylinders?
Ever forgot to run "lilo" after a kernel build and couldn't boot after?
Ever had that annoying "LI" and bugger all else on bootup (I've made mistakes in my lilo.conf like everybody else who actually uses it)
Just last week, installed SuSe 7 and didn't install the correct kernel *BANG*. Oh well, 'cause I'm using loadlin I'll just boot the kernel from the previous install and change the root device. *BINGO*:)
It's funny hearing someone from the Windows world talk of watching Linux re-inventing the wheel.
I remember when Microsoft discovered interupts
I remember when Microsoft got a tcp/ip stack
I remember when Microsoft discovered device "shares"
I remember when Microsoft discovered DNS
I remember when microsoft discovered 32bits
I remember when Microsoft discovered the "mount" system call (pretty recent that one)
I remember when Microsoft discovered multi-tasking
I remember when Microsoft discovered remote access
I remember when Microsoft discovered the pipe
I remember when Microsoft discovered sockets
I remember when Microsoft diskcovered real i/o redirection
etc etc etc etc etc
I've had all of these for 14 years or more.
One day NT will evolve into Unix and all they will have achieved after all the time will be to have designed a GUI.
Everyone is entitled to their own views. I have been using KDE since KDE BETA 3 and just yesterday looked at KDE2 which btw is a magnificent piece of work (love the command line under the filemanager, truly sensible idea).
The only point I wish to take issue with in the above post is the "speed" of Gnome development. When you consider that the web browser was someone elses app (though now is a port of KDE's khtml lib), the window manager was someone elses app, the file manager was mostly someone elses app etc etc etc. The office suite will be some elses app, I think I'm right in saying that even the spreadsheet was around before Gnome and is therefore someone elses app and this is the reason for Gnomes stability issues and also why it feels less consistant. The point being, KDE got to where it is on it's own, raw code whereas Gnome has integrated the major components into itself. KDE DID have qt and Gnome had a fair bit of work to do on gtk to get it usable but in my view, the speed of Gnome development has been really slow by comparison to KDE.
It might have been faster for Gnome to start from scratch rather than shoe horn all these different apps together. On the other hand Gnomes' panel was always better than KDE's though the new KDE kicker looks nice.
Regards
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Actually, the GPL doesn't protect you from commercial bastardisation at all. Sun WILL eventually produce there own gnome as WILL HP and IBM and even though the GPL means the source will have to be available, who is going to give a damn. There will just be Sun's source, IBM's source, HP's source, Helix source whatever.
However, QT have to be given a little praise here, they grew from nothing to be a relatively profitable little Norwegian company and have taken a very bold step. I hope it works out for them.
Actually, C1 is higher than C2. B1 and B2 exist as well (I have worked on the development of a B2 secure unix with some B1 features) and all the common "secure" operating systems struggle to maintain C2 level security. To say that any of the mainstream operating systems are the most secure in the world is bizarre.
I consider myself corrected. Perhaps Caldera needs to raise it's community profile a bit. Somehow I hear of other distributers contributions but not the ones you have stated above.
Personally I'd rather Linux didn't have Unix branding. I don't want Linux to become just another flavour of Unix, it's doing very well on it's own thankyou.
I would prefer nearly any other Linux distributer to be buying SCO. Caldera seem to give back little to the Linux community. On the other hand, perhaps this is Caldera's chance to prove that they too can contribute if they are prepared to incorporate UnixWare technology into Linux, assuming they can.
Shame to see SCO go though, I still have a copy of Santa Cruz Xenix on 5 1/4" disk with manuals!
If it wasn't for the Russians and the UK, Australia, India, the rest of the Allies, and even the Japanese, so would you! All the Allies would have been on the losing side had they all not fought together.
Imagine how different American influence would be now if the Third Reich was the whole of Europe, Russia, China and most of Asia with the US just a short balistic missile or two away.
In how many other countries can you openly protest without fear of arrest just a few yards from the home of your country's president/prime minister/leader? Try getting that close to 10 Downing Street for a protest.
Actually, until Margaret Thatcher put the gates up you could knock on the door of 10 Downing Steet. Now you have to do it about 10 yards (see, on topic!) down the street.
There is a lot of rather sad and pathetic anti-American sentiment expressed by individuals from other countries. I don't happen to hold those views as I feel the US has a hell of a lot it should be proud of. However, I really do wonder at the "freedom" that Americans hold so dear. The word "freedom" seems to be used by the American press and it's politicians in a similar way to a certain corporation uses the word "innovation" to the point that it means nothing.
While I don't feel especially free in the UK, I have to say that the mere fact of NOT having a written constitution allows freedoms based on the individual merits of the case rather than a dogmatic reference to some document written some time ago in history.
I hear some people raving about US freedom and the "beauty" of the declaration of independence in a very similar way to victims of propaganda have done all through history.
To me, it seems that minority views suffer more in the US than in most places even if their "oppression" is far less extreme there than in other places. I would also suggest that frightening litigation compulsion of the US is akin to a lack of freedom. Though the story is probably not particularly true, McDonalds can be sued for serving coffee too hot! It is the tip of a very damaging iceberg.
Basically, I think that US citizens need to really be careful about their use of the word freedom and to understand it rather than just talk about it. For example, the reference to the French and German point you mentioned smacks of tabloid propaganda and is basically not true. You can believe and indeed say what you like about nazism and the war. You can understand them being touchy about it though, the German people were utterly humiliated in that war by their government and the Allies, and for the second time. The Americans are similary a bit twitchy about vietnam.
Actually the place I have found the most "free" is Istanbul. Sure, there are a lot of odd laws but nobody pays any attention to them and nobody cares if you obey them or not, just so long as you're having a nice relaxed time of it.
Thank you for taking the time to explain this so well. I appreciate it even though the idea of a distributed force as you describe makes me realise just how little I know about the subject!
I have no grounding physics whatsoever but the assertion that gravity is weak because it takes the entire earth to hold onto a pin seems odd to me. The earth is holding back millions of pins plus everthing else as well. It also doesn't seem to get any weaker however many things you put on the earth, or indeed how "heavy" they are. It even seems to be able to hold the moon in place too! In fact, it seems to me that it could hold lots of moons in place.
I am missing something terribly obvious to everyone else?
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If true, that's an interesting little problem, i'll have to try that when I get to the office. On a par with how does "find . -name * -print" work these days when it you used to have to escape the *. Also "tar xv *" works in some shells these days too.
Must be progress.
Regards
You can get plenty of software already ported to HP-UX in depot format, including gcc and gnome from your friendly hpux porting site. try This on in the uk Just download and insatll with swinstall. Regards
A few years back I wanted to add some functionality to the fvwm95 task bar as well as fix a couple of bugs. I'd never looked at any window manager code before and had no idea how modules would work and communicate.
I quickly found it concise, elegant and above all logical, I was able to make my changes incredibly quickly and added a few more things I rather fancied just because it was all so clear.
So congrats to the multitude who work(ed) on these projects and thanks, even though I no longer use the fvwm line of managers.
Regards
British citizens were never disarmed. They never had arms. They also don't really want arms, nor need them. Do you have any idea just how low the figures for shootings are in the UK?
Regards
Actually, I think you'll find Microsoft has 90% of desktop PC's which nobody is going to bother cracking. Microsoft have much less that 50% of the server market so you would expect far fewer Windows security attacks, not more.
To me, this doesn't mean much in terms of who has the best OS but I juts thought I'd put you straight.
Regards
How about this for a conspiracy theory.
Hollywood releases film that utterly misrepresents who was responsible for breaking the german codes.
UK historical institutions get a bit upset about it.
Museum "loses" enigma machine.
Worlds press cover enigma and what it was all really about.
Everyone gets a correct understanding of enigma
UK historical institutions get all smug.
Q.E.D.
Worlds
LOL!
Just for info.
I can only speak for the uk here but if someone gets shot with a gun here, it's on the evening news. I don't have any stats on this but I suspect deaths by firearms in the entire country of around 50 million amount to less than 10 or 20 a year.
Carefull you don't fall for your own government's propaganda.
The Syrians, the North Koreans and indeed the Cubans have a much greater respect for their own government than most people in the west have for their governments.
We never question why democracy is supposed to be the holy grail of governmental systems. It may be, but many "oppressed" countries are much happier with their government than you are with yours.
Many countries are oppressed but you nor I really can say which ones these are
Regards
No, I didn't mean it was insecure, I meant it was a bit dumb keeping your configuration file in a place that can only be accessed after you've already booted. It's a bit like keeping the telephone number of your computer repair man on your hard disk.
/usr/local between the two distro's. I keep several kernels in my DOS partition, have a nice MSDOS.SYS style menu to select which install to boot and never ever ever do I have a non bootable PC.
Glad to hear lilo now goes beyond 1024.
I agree that it's my problem if I forget to run lilo after a kernel build. It's also my problem if I trip over in the street. However, I have done both of these and many other people I know have too. It doesn't help to have your old kernel around because at least 50 percent of the time, if you do this, you don't get past "LI". And then you have to boot off CD or floppy, mount your root partition and then run lilo -f or whatever it is which is more annoying than never having to worry about it.
I tend to install new versions of Linux into a different root partition so that I keep my old install and just share swap, home directories and
I'd be interested to know exactly what people might consider is wrong with loadlin.
Regards
I'll have to disagree here. I have been running Linux since early '95. I have no Windows partitions. I do, however, have a 10MB DOS partition. Here is why I use loadlin.
:)
Running any any kind of boot manager where the configuration file is just a normal text file on a file system of one of the operating systems it boots seems a bit dangerous to me.
Want have your linux stuff somewhere greater than 1024 cylinders?
Ever forgot to run "lilo" after a kernel build and couldn't boot after?
Ever had that annoying "LI" and bugger all else on bootup (I've made mistakes in my lilo.conf like everybody else who actually uses it)
Just last week, installed SuSe 7 and didn't install the correct kernel *BANG*. Oh well, 'cause I'm using loadlin I'll just boot the kernel from the previous install and change the root device. *BINGO*
loadlin never ever ever ever breaks. Lilo does.
Regards
Well maybe not ALL of them for 14 years but all way way before good ole Microsoft.
Regards
It's funny hearing someone from the Windows world talk of watching Linux re-inventing the wheel.
I remember when Microsoft discovered interupts
I remember when Microsoft got a tcp/ip stack
I remember when Microsoft discovered device "shares"
I remember when Microsoft discovered DNS
I remember when microsoft discovered 32bits
I remember when Microsoft discovered the "mount" system call (pretty recent that one)
I remember when Microsoft discovered multi-tasking
I remember when Microsoft discovered remote access
I remember when Microsoft discovered the pipe
I remember when Microsoft discovered sockets
I remember when Microsoft diskcovered real i/o redirection
etc etc etc etc etc
I've had all of these for 14 years or more.
One day NT will evolve into Unix and all they will have achieved after all the time will be to have designed a GUI.
Regards
Everyone is entitled to their own views. I have been using KDE since KDE BETA 3 and just yesterday looked at KDE2 which btw is a magnificent piece of work (love the command line under the filemanager, truly sensible idea).
The only point I wish to take issue with in the above post is the "speed" of Gnome development. When you consider that the web browser was someone elses app (though now is a port of KDE's khtml lib), the window manager was someone elses app, the file manager was mostly someone elses app etc etc etc. The office suite will be some elses app, I think I'm right in saying that even the spreadsheet was around before Gnome and is therefore someone elses app and this is the reason for Gnomes stability issues and also why it feels less consistant. The point being, KDE got to where it is on it's own, raw code whereas Gnome has integrated the major components into itself. KDE DID have qt and Gnome had a fair bit of work to do on gtk to get it usable but in my view, the speed of Gnome development has been really slow by comparison to KDE.
It might have been faster for Gnome to start from scratch rather than shoe horn all these different apps together. On the other hand Gnomes' panel was always better than KDE's though the new KDE kicker looks nice.
Regards
Actually, the GPL doesn't protect you from commercial bastardisation at all. Sun WILL eventually produce there own gnome as WILL HP and IBM and even though the GPL means the source will have to be available, who is going to give a damn. There will just be Sun's source, IBM's source, HP's source, Helix source whatever.
However, QT have to be given a little praise here, they grew from nothing to be a relatively profitable little Norwegian company and have taken a very bold step. I hope it works out for them.
Regards
Actually, C1 is higher than C2. B1 and B2 exist as well (I have worked on the development of a B2 secure unix with some B1 features) and all the common "secure" operating systems struggle to maintain C2 level security. To say that any of the mainstream operating systems are the most secure in the world is bizarre.
Regards
I consider myself corrected. Perhaps Caldera needs to raise it's community profile a bit. Somehow I hear of other distributers contributions but not the ones you have stated above.
Regards
Personally I'd rather Linux didn't have Unix branding. I don't want Linux to become just another flavour of Unix, it's doing very well on it's own thankyou.
I would prefer nearly any other Linux distributer to be buying SCO. Caldera seem to give back little to the Linux community. On the other hand, perhaps this is Caldera's chance to prove that they too can contribute if they are prepared to incorporate UnixWare technology into Linux, assuming they can.
Shame to see SCO go though, I still have a copy of Santa Cruz Xenix on 5 1/4" disk with manuals!
Regards
If it wasn't for the Russians and the UK, Australia, India, the rest of the Allies, and even the Japanese, so would you! All the Allies would have been on the losing side had they all not fought together.
Imagine how different American influence would be now if the Third Reich was the whole of Europe, Russia, China and most of Asia with the US just a short balistic missile or two away.
In how many other countries can you openly protest without fear of arrest just a few yards from the home of your country's president/prime minister/leader? Try getting that close to 10 Downing Street for a protest.
Actually, until Margaret Thatcher put the gates up you could knock on the door of 10 Downing Steet. Now you have to do it about 10 yards (see, on topic!) down the street.
Regards
There is a lot of rather sad and pathetic anti-American sentiment expressed by individuals from other countries. I don't happen to hold those views as I feel the US has a hell of a lot it should be proud of. However, I really do wonder at the "freedom" that Americans hold so dear. The word "freedom" seems to be used by the American press and it's politicians in a similar way to a certain corporation uses the word "innovation" to the point that it means nothing.
While I don't feel especially free in the UK, I have to say that the mere fact of NOT having a written constitution allows freedoms based on the individual merits of the case rather than a dogmatic reference to some document written some time ago in history.
I hear some people raving about US freedom and the "beauty" of the declaration of independence in a very similar way to victims of propaganda have done all through history.
To me, it seems that minority views suffer more in the US than in most places even if their "oppression" is far less extreme there than in other places. I would also suggest that frightening litigation compulsion of the US is akin to a lack of freedom. Though the story is probably not particularly true, McDonalds can be sued for serving coffee too hot! It is the tip of a very damaging iceberg.
Basically, I think that US citizens need to really be careful about their use of the word freedom and to understand it rather than just talk about it. For example, the reference to the French and German point you mentioned smacks of tabloid propaganda and is basically not true. You can believe and indeed say what you like about nazism and the war. You can understand them being touchy about it though, the German people were utterly humiliated in that war by their government and the Allies, and for the second time. The Americans are similary a bit twitchy about vietnam.
Actually the place I have found the most "free" is Istanbul. Sure, there are a lot of odd laws but nobody pays any attention to them and nobody cares if you obey them or not, just so long as you're having a nice relaxed time of it.
Regards
Thank you for taking the time to explain this so well. I appreciate it even though the idea of a distributed force as you describe makes me realise just how little I know about the subject!
Regards
I have no grounding physics whatsoever but the assertion that gravity is weak because it takes the entire earth to hold onto a pin seems odd to me. The earth is holding back millions of pins plus everthing else as well. It also doesn't seem to get any weaker however many things you put on the earth, or indeed how "heavy" they are. It even seems to be able to hold the moon in place too! In fact, it seems to me that it could hold lots of moons in place.
I am missing something terribly obvious to everyone else?
Regards
A letter I have sent to Microsoft Research Labs today.
Dear Research People,
I am particularly concerned about your research into an attention orientated UI.
Have you considered that this research could lead to people being jettisoned into space?
Yours sincerely