Nobody complained when Netscape added new "features" because it didn't stop them viewing sites that implemented them. The real point being that Netscape was cross platform. It was available on many operating systems and was always being ported to more. Netscape might have been tying you into their browser but not into an operating system/office suite etc etc.
The argument that nobody should mind unless they are committing a crime always pops up when some invasion of privacy is being advocated. What constitutes a crime may well look very black and white when you mention child pornography but what happens when some future or in some case current laws start to gnaw away at basic freedoms.
It's very simple really. With a *nix you controll what the machine does and you can make it do anything at all if you are prepared to learn a bit. With Windows you can do pretty much only what the software will let you do. This is why there is so much software developed for the Windows platform that doesn't come as standard but gives it some functionality apart from as a games platform. Stuff for remote access, batch schedulers, good backup tools, scripting languages, development tools etc etc etc etc.
*nix allows you to wipe out your entire system with one simple command with no complaints. This is it's power!
You don't HAVE to use the "control panels" and "desktop shortcuts". I have been a Unix sys admin/programmer for over 13 years and have always argued against making everything GUI. Having said this, I still can't understand why anyone can't see the benefit of having four xterm/kvt/eterm/konsole's open at the same time AND, when you feel like launching an app you use a lot, just clicking on the icon.
I use KDE exclusively at home though CDE (yuk) at work and rarely if ever use drag and drop, only use the file manager when I want to open some graphic/audio file and can't remember which application opens which type of file and never ever ever use the damn trash can. I also never configure any system service via the GUI, never use it for cron, inittab, inetd.conf, etc etc etc but I still love having KDE.
KDE was released before gnome started though it was only about six to eight months earlier. KDE had a few beta releases (I first used it when it at Beta 3) all of which were almost production quality stability. In fact the beta 3 KDE was used in a production environment at the major bank where I worked.
Your point is correct. It is a standard now. However, it is a very dangerous standard which is why I think many people object to it. It is dangerous because the "standard" format of information exchange around the world is now controlled by one corporation that does not let anyone else see the specification.
I bought applix too around the time of Red Hat 4.1 Since then, I have had the same install running on Red Hat 4.2, SuSe 5.2, SuSe 6.0 and it's currently running on Suse 6.3.
You need only have retained everything under the applix install directory.
I have, however found that since the change from Red Hat 4.1, the applix daemon that runs when you run applix applications non interactively (via macros) no longer exits. You can get around this by having your macro kill the daemon off itself.
You may not have had to "fiddle with jumpers" but do you remember how you felt the first time you where at a customer site installing some nice new bit of hardware only to find they had lost their reference disk.
How I cursed IBM in those days. Now I find I'm working for them. *shrug*
I understand your point of view but as a Slashdot account holder of long standing (user 2500) and reader even longer, I feel it would be interesting to know if there are legal issues involved with a Slashdot poster. Slashdot has had trolls and odd people posting since the start and the fact that these are tolerated adds, in some measure, to its charm. These days you can even set your threshold above 0 and miss most of them if you don't like them. For my money, osm is a talented and rarely offensive writer and I'd miss his peculiar brand of humour.
It is difficult to form any kind of opinion regarding this "case" whilst so little is known about the problem. It would at least be usefull, considering you have all the facts, to know if you felt that osm has been treated as badly as it appears.
They are both there because they code. You will almost certainly be using ESR's new kernel config/build replacement to build your kernel sometime soon.
These ideas ARE just what we need. Please consider posting your ideas on the KDE or Gnome mailing lists. Better still e-mail the relevant authors direct!
I love the idea of building pipelines and perhaps saving them as an icon somewhere!
If I remember correctly, you could only buy A/ux pre installed on a disk unit (i believe it was an 80MB disk too). In those days that added an enormous amount to the cost of the os and everyone could see it was Apple just jumping on the Unix bandwagon while selling a bit more hardware.
It is true that if you keep your console for say four years, the PC hardware will have leapt on by leaps and bounds in that time. This for me is an argument for buying a console. If I buy a game in four years time for my console it will be a good, fast solid game. The graphics will probably be better for it too as the software tehnology will have improved. If you buy a game for your PC in four years time it probably won't even run and if it does it will be really slow and almost unplayable because it will be written for the latest greatest hardware which you haven't got yet.
So if you use your PC for games, expect to be dissapointed soon unless you pay for regular hardware upgrades/new PC's. I on the other hand can play nice fast games until such time as the lates greatest console drops in price to practically nothing and I can be bothered to buy one.
If you are a paranoid unix user, you need only have an e-mail account that is NOT the account you use for usual work and have xbiff/whatever monitor that mailbox. A quick su to your email account (in a script or in kbiff or whatever) will allow you to read and send e-mails but the very worst a virus could do would be to delete any e-mails you hadn't copied to your real account. All automated and transparent!
Looks pretty good to me and runs pretty fast on my linux box. Dunno what everyone is moaning about. This is NOT a final release so is gonna have a few rough edges. OK, so it does seem to pinch more RAM than you'd hope but that seems to be the same with everything these days. Congrats to all involved.
Well you surprised me at least!
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As a die hard unix advocate of far too many years standing I was surprised to find myself agreeing with you almost entirely. Unix is a beautifully simple and elegant system but you're right. Why is there nothing better. Bill Gates pledged to destroy Unix many years ago. It may well be that he is actually the one who has helped it stay healthy for so long. While all the manufacturers have been pandering to the Windows operating systems which are plainly of no use for real business work, there has been very little development work creating better operating systems for the real stuff! It seems that all the flamers shouting Microsoft has stifled innovation in the computer industry might be right after all.
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Nobody complained when Netscape added new "features" because it didn't stop them viewing sites that implemented them. The real point being that Netscape was cross platform. It was available on many operating systems and was always being ported to more. Netscape might have been tying you into their browser but not into an operating system/office suite etc etc.
Regards
Windows asks you to confirm you wanted to do it *nix does not.
The argument that nobody should mind unless they are committing a crime always pops up when some invasion of privacy is being advocated. What constitutes a crime may well look very black and white when you mention child pornography but what happens when some future or in some case current laws start to gnaw away at basic freedoms.
Regards
It's very simple really. With a *nix you controll what the machine does and you can make it do anything at all if you are prepared to learn a bit. With Windows you can do pretty much only what the software will let you do. This is why there is so much software developed for the Windows platform that doesn't come as standard but gives it some functionality apart from as a games platform. Stuff for remote access, batch schedulers, good backup tools, scripting languages, development tools etc etc etc etc.
*nix allows you to wipe out your entire system with one simple command with no complaints. This is it's power!
You don't HAVE to use the "control panels" and "desktop shortcuts". I have been a Unix sys admin/programmer for over 13 years and have always argued against making everything GUI. Having said this, I still can't understand why anyone can't see the benefit of having four xterm/kvt/eterm/konsole's open at the same time AND, when you feel like launching an app you use a lot, just clicking on the icon.
I use KDE exclusively at home though CDE (yuk) at work and rarely if ever use drag and drop, only use the file manager when I want to open some graphic/audio file and can't remember which application opens which type of file and never ever ever use the damn trash can. I also never configure any system service via the GUI, never use it for cron, inittab, inetd.conf, etc etc etc but I still love having KDE.
Regards
KDE was released before gnome started though it was only about six to eight months earlier. KDE had a few beta releases (I first used it when it at Beta 3) all of which were almost production quality stability. In fact the beta 3 KDE was used in a production environment at the major bank where I worked.
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Have to admit that it looked to me like there are more "installments" to come.
Your point is correct. It is a standard now. However, it is a very dangerous standard which is why I think many people object to it. It is dangerous because the "standard" format of information exchange around the world is now controlled by one corporation that does not let anyone else see the specification.
Regards
I bought applix too around the time of Red Hat 4.1 Since then, I have had the same install running on Red Hat 4.2, SuSe 5.2, SuSe 6.0 and it's currently running on Suse 6.3.
You need only have retained everything under the applix install directory.
I have, however found that since the change from Red Hat 4.1, the applix daemon that runs when you run applix applications non interactively (via macros) no longer exits. You can get around this by having your macro kill the daemon off itself.
Regards
You may not have had to "fiddle with jumpers" but do you remember how you felt the first time you where at a customer site installing some nice new bit of hardware only to find they had lost their reference disk.
How I cursed IBM in those days. Now I find I'm working for them. *shrug*
Regards
SuSe has been shipped on 6 CD's for quite a while now, though you can request it on one DVD. It doesn't seem to be that inconvenient.
Regards
I understand your point of view but as a Slashdot account holder of long standing (user 2500) and reader even longer, I feel it would be interesting to know if there are legal issues involved with a Slashdot poster. Slashdot has had trolls and odd people posting since the start and the fact that these are tolerated adds, in some measure, to its charm. These days you can even set your threshold above 0 and miss most of them if you don't like them. For my money, osm is a talented and rarely offensive writer and I'd miss his peculiar brand of humour.
Regards
It is difficult to form any kind of opinion regarding this "case" whilst so little is known about the problem. It would at least be usefull, considering you have all the facts, to know if you felt that osm has been treated as badly as it appears.
Whatever, I wish him well. He's a talented guy.
Regards
If only all the people who complain about the M25 being a car park would use alternatives routes, I'd be able to get to work much quicker!
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You can stop SuSe generating it's own and annoying versions of config files by setting "ENABLE_SUSE_CONFIG" to "no" in /etc/rc.config.
Turns SuSe into a very usable system when you do that:) All the rc scripts still read the rc.config file on boot which has always annoyed me though.
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They are both there because they code. You will almost certainly be using ESR's new kernel config/build replacement to build your kernel sometime soon.
By the way, 2.4 isn't late.
Regards
These ideas ARE just what we need. Please consider posting your ideas on the KDE or Gnome mailing lists. Better still e-mail the relevant authors direct!
I love the idea of building pipelines and perhaps saving them as an icon somewhere!
If I remember correctly, you could only buy A/ux pre installed on a disk unit (i believe it was an 80MB disk too). In those days that added an enormous amount to the cost of the os and everyone could see it was Apple just jumping on the Unix bandwagon while selling a bit more hardware.
I tried a/ux, it was fun. Pointless but fun.
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You complete lunatic!
Keep it up!!
But thanks for making /. a fun place to be.
/. archive of your posts!!
I vote for a
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It is true that if you keep your console for say four years, the PC hardware will have leapt on by leaps and bounds in that time. This for me is an argument for buying a console. If I buy a game in four years time for my console it will be a good, fast solid game. The graphics will probably be better for it too as the software tehnology will have improved. If you buy a game for your PC in four years time it probably won't even run and if it does it will be really slow and almost unplayable because it will be written for the latest greatest hardware which you haven't got yet.
So if you use your PC for games, expect to be dissapointed soon unless you pay for regular hardware upgrades/new PC's. I on the other hand can play nice fast games until such time as the lates greatest console drops in price to practically nothing and I can be bothered to buy one.
Regards
If you are a paranoid unix user, you need only have an e-mail account that is NOT the account you use for usual work and have xbiff/whatever monitor that mailbox. A quick su to your email account (in a script or in kbiff or whatever) will allow you to read and send e-mails but the very worst a virus could do would be to delete any e-mails you hadn't copied to your real account. All automated and transparent!
You are ever so funny! I hope this gets a score 5 funny!
Looks pretty good to me and runs pretty fast on my linux box. Dunno what everyone is moaning about. This is NOT a final release so is gonna have a few rough edges. OK, so it does seem to pinch more RAM than you'd hope but that seems to be the same with everything these days. Congrats to all involved.
As a die hard unix advocate of far too many years standing I was surprised to find myself agreeing with you almost entirely. Unix is a beautifully simple and elegant system but you're right. Why is there nothing better. Bill Gates pledged to destroy Unix many years ago. It may well be that he is actually the one who has helped it stay healthy for so long. While all the manufacturers have been pandering to the Windows operating systems which are plainly of no use for real business work, there has been very little development work creating better operating systems for the real stuff! It seems that all the flamers shouting Microsoft has stifled innovation in the computer industry might be right after all.