That's not true at all. I am accessing my MSN account from my Cable provider that has absolutely nothing to do with MSN.. using KMail 2.1 on a RH7 base..
(RH7 upgraded to XF86 4.1.0, upgraded to KDE2.1)
Works fine for me.
Also, Yahoo has excellent POP capabilities as well, from what I"ve seen, though their servers and datapipe aren't nearly the size/speed of MSN's.
And I'm still getting email services from my first landline ISP.. oh, and I've got my own email server setup on the LAN, so I've got 4 accounts there. And I"ve used it all on both dialup MSN, and MSN DSL.. and now with Comcast Cable.
It all works great. Just plug it into the new provider and bam.. it goes!
I don't care if it's Microsoft, you people don't need to take that tone in your articles regarding MSN -- MSN Internet Access works just fine with Linux, with Macintosh, with OS/2.. I've used it with all three.
Jesus, people. IT's like the ANTI-MS Hysteria has so gripped Slashdot editors, that they figure that NOTHING can be done right by them. (if it helps, MSN isn't really a big chunk of MS)
MSN in fact, is probably one of the fastest DIALUP carriers. When I used their Dialup, it was insanely fast compared to all others in the area. And trust me, I've been around long enough to have used virtually EVERY ISP.
Anyone know of any in the Detroit area? I want to attend but my transportation is limited.
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Right, being outside of the realm entirely, Ford could not attack a piece of computer software called Contour. Nope, no way.
I'm not even familiar with what Adobe Illustrator or the software formerly known as Killustrator do. I have absoluetly no interest in that sort of thing. I'm strictly a communications guy.
In any case, if "Illustrator" describes what it does (makes illustrations?) then I don't think that Adobe can have their say into who uses it. That would be like calling a word processor "Word Processor" and then attempting to sue a company that makes a program called a word processor. Not gonna happen. But I get this feeling that that isn't exactly a description of it's function, and that if the two programs do the same sorts of things, then Adobe does have some rights to that particular name.
It's like Microsoft Word. You couldn't very well go and develop "NewCorp Word". No one would treat that one very nicely. Or if it were instead of "kIllustrator" say it was called "NewCo Illustrator". Just because it's open source doesn't mean you can go ripping people's names off.
Of course, I'm POSITIVE THAT WAS NO ONE'S INTENTION was to rip people's names off. They just wanted their software to be recognized that it performs the same sort of functions as Adobe Illustrator. But that doesn't change that Adobe holds that name.
There's me $0.04.
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From what I hear, the DoD has already been using StarOffice for a great many years.. under OS/2.
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Second:
I fix my computer fans making lots of noise by whacking the case real hard somewhere near the source of the noise. Always has helped, have only had one fan die in about 14 years of fan-cooled computing.
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I can't find these trackballs anywhere, so I've been taking DAMN good care of my current one.. at Babbage's about 6 years ago, I picked up this awesome trackball. It's a generic brand, has a big, palm-sized ball, and gigantic left and right click buttons to either side of the ball. I have yet to see another trackball that doesn't absolutely kill my hands to operate on.
The downside of them is that playing through Quake 1, 2, and 3, as much as I used to, I went through about 10 of these trackballs in that time frame. This one I keep very very very good care of, because they went clearance at Babbage's about 3 years ago.. I haven't had a bit of arm pain with my puter since switching to this.
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I just wanted to say, on a more serious note, that I would like to caution people (the few that have the ability amongst us/. users) against trying to get into an all-out sex-a-thon to try and cure their back problems.
My lower back problems have caused more than their fair share of problems in my sex life. At least 3 or 4 times in the last 5 years that I can recall having the back problems, I've had to either completely stop in the middle of the act, because my back just couldn't take it anymore, stop and resume much later in a different position.. or if i got past the point where no matter what happened to my back, i wasn't feeling it until post-orgasm.. afterwards the only thing i could do is curl up into a ball and moan about how much my back hurt. talk about a way to kill the post-orgasm sex afterglow. Ugh!
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I believe I suffered most of my back problems while driving. After being a generic geek for most of my life, glued to my computer, for 8-12 hours a day, for the course of just over a year or so, I drove nearly 3 hours every day, sometimes more, to/from work/my (then) gf's house, after i moved to the other side of Michigan.
Although I am absolutely -not- a swimmer (I have psych problems with water that has even the potential of going over my head), I can certainly say that water can help - on the days that I can't stand my back, i draw a bathtub full of water, hot as I can possibly stand it. Then fall asleep in it. (facing up, and in my bathtub, it's virtually impossible to accidently turn over in your sleep.. so that gets around the psych issue that I have with drowning)
Wake up, prunelike, very relaxed, and a lot less pain.
On the other hand, later in this thread, as I read while it took over a MINUTE for the reply box to load, I see a lot of people just generally suggesting any kind of exercise.. i don't know about -any- kind of exercise.. but I"m sure that a lot of it helps. Swimming seems to be a good one for those of you who believe that swimming is anything BUT a way to keep from drowning.;)
I've recently picked up a bit of jogging and/or bicycling. So far, so good. I haven't done it as consistently as I'd like (OK, I'm a wimp - it's rained last 9 out of 10 days here) but after the first couple times out, my back (and my whole body) hurt like goddamn HELL for the next two days, but afterwards i felt a hell of a lot better.
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I'm not going to go into this too long- Slashdot is so damn slow right now, it took almost a minute just to get the reply box up, and i'm not feeling very damn patient right now. (And having a bad day, to boot. Sorry to sound if I'm taking it out on you)
Your original message sounded like rather than being at all encouraging, as if it's saying "Oh, you're just another drug using idiot, don't give us your excuses, you brought it on yourself."
Think before you post. It should be mandatory.
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OK, I'm going to quote this here, just because I feel we need to be reminded, probably 800 posts down the wire, what this says...
By posting communications on or through the Service, you automatically grant Google a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive license to use, reproduce, modify, publish, edit, translate, distribute, perform, and display the communication alone or as part of other works in any form, media, or technology whether now known or hereafter developed, and to sublicense such rights through multiple tiers of sublicensees."
OK, let me translate this to plain english:
We own the server that it's posted through. Therefore, we can post your post to the rest of the world. We can use it in basically any way we see fit to transmit your post. Of course, you wouldn't be using UseNet news if you didn't want your goddamn post publicly shown, eh?
Or, as the one reply that I did bother to read:
What exactly is the problem here?
Until today, I actually thought all the people trashtalking the guys that post this stuff to news were just people with bugs up their arses. Now I am seeing how bad some of the submissions that get through are.
By the way, why on earth is Slashdot so slow? Have we been in turn, Slashdotted???
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I really have to wonder how this even blips above anything less than Flamebait as a top-level post here on the Main Page. The entire topic just seems innane.
See, back in like 1989 or some such, my friend Tom and I used to watch NEXT WEEK's ST:TNG episode on the "Big, Ugly Dish"(tm?).
Also, I used to watch the nationwide news feeds, simply to see what the people would do. Entertained my entire family for hours on Thanksgiving, watching a news guy sitting in a newsroom doing absolutely nothing but drinking coffee, straightening his hair, and making the occasional remark to the guys in the studio. Well, anyway, I went and hid in my puter room like any self-respecting nerd would do on a family gathering day, but my step brother and cousins and all that thought it was hilarious.
I think they were just waiting for him to fart.
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I'm surprised there's no other mentions of OS/2 floating around here. Quite the amazing system for it's time, during the Warp 3 era. Still quite an amazing system.. I just wish it could be easily trimmed back to be a lean monster like Linux can be. But it would take lot of effort to do so. I wonder if eComStation will be any better, less geared towards absolute redundancy and enterprise class server operations, even in the client edition. It's biggest downfall is it's resource usage. But at least it knew what to -do- with those resources, whereas it's competitor of the time NT, was just a resource slug that didn't use the resources for anything good except lunch.
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In the cell phone industry. Though I've never known of one to catch on fire, some software versions of the Sony CMD-600 and a few other phones in the original CDMA phone line up had some software issues that caused them to in certain circumstances drain their batteries so fast that the batteries would heat up to the point of burning at the touch, in only a few minutes of usage!
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It's not really that amazing, honestly. I've never read the RFC's (never really had any need to) but I understand that the mail protocol itself is rather quite simple. And simplicity always seems to withstand - SIMPLE AND FUNCTIONAL will always beat out COMPLEX AND BLOATED.
The only insanely complex software involved with the whole mail system is sendmail - And god only knows why sendmail has to be the world's well-known "most complex program ever written". It's a nightmare.
And most nobody ever uses it's insanely complex features, as nobody understands them. If I remember correctly, the O'Reilly book on sendmail (from waaaay back in the day when I actually paid attention to O'Reilly.. we're talking back before the WWW) is one of the largest books they've ever produced.
Maybe I'm wrong on that since I haven't paid attention in about 10 years.. but still..
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I don't know about anywhere else, but until Commercial ISP's took over the Internet, Internet access to everyone in Michigan was -free- from about 1983 until MichNet finally closed the door on -free- back in.. oh, 1992, I think it was, after slipping an increasing amount of security into their system over the 3-4 years previous to it.
RadioShack sells Keystones as regular stock items. They are new merchandise however, and some people have not yet realised just how incredibly useful they are, so they may be in a short supply in your area, especially if someone else in your area also realises that they have them. (I have customers who refuse to buy them, even though they are -cheaper- than the jacks that have a coax connector alone)
RadioShack also sells (special order) a spool of 1000' Cat-5e plenum rated for around $69+shipping. From what I hear, this is a decent deal. (if not, ask about a discount, there's always a way)
The store I work at in Michigan has probably run the warehouse dry on keystones a few times, I'm always ordering 10-15 of each item every week, it seems.
On the cat5 cabling. Cat5 cabling can, since it's basically just wire, also be used for many things other than just computer networking. Don't forget this! Since you are most likely buying a shitload of Cat5 if you are wiring up your house, always have at least 2 or 3 more drops than you need for Cat5. It's great for telephone use (better shielding/twisted pair setup makes a lot of phone interference go away.. real nice), can be used to hook up a set of speakers (though since it's low gauge, you won't get great sound, it works in a pinch), virtually anything that requires wire. I have even seen someone wire an F connector (tv coax) to a Cat5 cable. It worked. Won't say it worked well, but it worked.
5.5 introduces some more flaws into the CSS stuff, also.. which are corrected in 6.0, with a compatibility mode.. which the web-page author can toggle. not too bad a job on 6.0 from microsoft.. never thought i'd say a good word about microsoft anywhere anyhow
yeah, i've encountered MANY windows apps where ctrl-insert/shift-insert don't work. MANY, especially for ctrl-insert. on the other hand, I don't think I've ever found an X app where it didn't... lol.
those key sequences make sense, and don't violate the standards that long-time geeks from the text days are used to. heh.
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That's not true at all. I am accessing my MSN account from my Cable provider that has absolutely nothing to do with MSN.. using KMail 2.1 on a RH7 base..
(RH7 upgraded to XF86 4.1.0, upgraded to KDE2.1)
Works fine for me.
Also, Yahoo has excellent POP capabilities as well, from what I"ve seen, though their servers and datapipe aren't nearly the size/speed of MSN's.
And I'm still getting email services from my first landline ISP.. oh, and I've got my own email server setup on the LAN, so I've got 4 accounts there. And I"ve used it all on both dialup MSN, and MSN DSL.. and now with Comcast Cable.
It all works great. Just plug it into the new provider and bam.. it goes!
I don't care if it's Microsoft, you people don't need to take that tone in your articles regarding MSN -- MSN Internet Access works just fine with Linux, with Macintosh, with OS/2 .. I've used it with all three.
Jesus, people. IT's like the ANTI-MS Hysteria has so gripped Slashdot editors, that they figure that NOTHING can be done right by them. (if it helps, MSN isn't really a big chunk of MS)
MSN in fact, is probably one of the fastest DIALUP carriers. When I used their Dialup, it was insanely fast compared to all others in the area. And trust me, I've been around long enough to have used virtually EVERY ISP.
lol.. that's pretty funny.. but i was serious
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Anyone know of any in the Detroit area? I want to attend but my transportation is limited.
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Right, being outside of the realm entirely, Ford could not attack a piece of computer software called Contour. Nope, no way.
I'm not even familiar with what Adobe Illustrator or the software formerly known as Killustrator do. I have absoluetly no interest in that sort of thing. I'm strictly a communications guy.
In any case, if "Illustrator" describes what it does (makes illustrations?) then I don't think that Adobe can have their say into who uses it. That would be like calling a word processor "Word Processor" and then attempting to sue a company that makes a program called a word processor. Not gonna happen. But I get this feeling that that isn't exactly a description of it's function, and that if the two programs do the same sorts of things, then Adobe does have some rights to that particular name.
It's like Microsoft Word. You couldn't very well go and develop "NewCorp Word". No one would treat that one very nicely. Or if it were instead of "kIllustrator" say it was called "NewCo Illustrator". Just because it's open source doesn't mean you can go ripping people's names off.
Of course, I'm POSITIVE THAT WAS NO ONE'S INTENTION was to rip people's names off. They just wanted their software to be recognized that it performs the same sort of functions as Adobe Illustrator. But that doesn't change that Adobe holds that name.
There's me $0.04.
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From what I hear, the DoD has already been using StarOffice for a great many years.. under OS/2.
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right in the middle of a CueCat contest! Grrrr!!!
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Jesus Christ, this story is OLDER THAN FREAKING SLASHDOT. NEWS?
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First:
Drugs are bad... mmmkay?
Second:
I fix my computer fans making lots of noise by whacking the case real hard somewhere near the source of the noise. Always has helped, have only had one fan die in about 14 years of fan-cooled computing.
All your base are belong to XO
http://mi-net.dynup.net/
http://blackmagik.dynup.net/
I can't find these trackballs anywhere, so I've been taking DAMN good care of my current one.. at Babbage's about 6 years ago, I picked up this awesome trackball. It's a generic brand, has a big, palm-sized ball, and gigantic left and right click buttons to either side of the ball. I have yet to see another trackball that doesn't absolutely kill my hands to operate on.
The downside of them is that playing through Quake 1, 2, and 3, as much as I used to, I went through about 10 of these trackballs in that time frame. This one I keep very very very good care of, because they went clearance at Babbage's about 3 years ago.. I haven't had a bit of arm pain with my puter since switching to this.
All your base are belong to XO
http://mi-net.dynup.net/
http://blackmagik.dynup.net/
I just wanted to say, on a more serious note, that I would like to caution people (the few that have the ability amongst us /. users) against trying to get into an all-out sex-a-thon to try and cure their back problems.
My lower back problems have caused more than their fair share of problems in my sex life. At least 3 or 4 times in the last 5 years that I can recall having the back problems, I've had to either completely stop in the middle of the act, because my back just couldn't take it anymore, stop and resume much later in a different position.. or if i got past the point where no matter what happened to my back, i wasn't feeling it until post-orgasm.. afterwards the only thing i could do is curl up into a ball and moan about how much my back hurt. talk about a way to kill the post-orgasm sex afterglow. Ugh!
All your base are belong to XO
http://mi-net.dynup.net/
http://blackmagik.dynup.net/
I believe I suffered most of my back problems while driving. After being a generic geek for most of my life, glued to my computer, for 8-12 hours a day, for the course of just over a year or so, I drove nearly 3 hours every day, sometimes more, to/from work/my (then) gf's house, after i moved to the other side of Michigan.
;)
Although I am absolutely -not- a swimmer (I have psych problems with water that has even the potential of going over my head), I can certainly say that water can help - on the days that I can't stand my back, i draw a bathtub full of water, hot as I can possibly stand it. Then fall asleep in it. (facing up, and in my bathtub, it's virtually impossible to accidently turn over in your sleep.. so that gets around the psych issue that I have with drowning)
Wake up, prunelike, very relaxed, and a lot less pain.
On the other hand, later in this thread, as I read while it took over a MINUTE for the reply box to load, I see a lot of people just generally suggesting any kind of exercise.. i don't know about -any- kind of exercise.. but I"m sure that a lot of it helps. Swimming seems to be a good one for those of you who believe that swimming is anything BUT a way to keep from drowning.
I've recently picked up a bit of jogging and/or bicycling. So far, so good. I haven't done it as consistently as I'd like (OK, I'm a wimp - it's rained last 9 out of 10 days here) but after the first couple times out, my back (and my whole body) hurt like goddamn HELL for the next two days, but afterwards i felt a hell of a lot better.
All your base are belong to XO
http://mi-net.dynup.net/
http://blackmagik.dynup.net/
Easter,
I'm not going to go into this too long- Slashdot is so damn slow right now, it took almost a minute just to get the reply box up, and i'm not feeling very damn patient right now. (And having a bad day, to boot. Sorry to sound if I'm taking it out on you)
Your original message sounded like rather than being at all encouraging, as if it's saying "Oh, you're just another drug using idiot, don't give us your excuses, you brought it on yourself."
Think before you post. It should be mandatory.
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http://blackmagik.dynup.net/
OK, let me translate this to plain english:
We own the server that it's posted through. Therefore, we can post your post to the rest of the world. We can use it in basically any way we see fit to transmit your post. Of course, you wouldn't be using UseNet news if you didn't want your goddamn post publicly shown, eh?
Or, as the one reply that I did bother to read:
What exactly is the problem here?
Until today, I actually thought all the people trashtalking the guys that post this stuff to news were just people with bugs up their arses. Now I am seeing how bad some of the submissions that get through are.
By the way, why on earth is Slashdot so slow? Have we been in turn, Slashdotted???
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http://mi-net.dynup.net/
http://blackmagik.dynup.net/
I really have to wonder how this even blips above anything less than Flamebait as a top-level post here on the Main Page. The entire topic just seems innane.
See, back in like 1989 or some such, my friend Tom and I used to watch NEXT WEEK's ST:TNG episode on the "Big, Ugly Dish"(tm?).
Also, I used to watch the nationwide news feeds, simply to see what the people would do. Entertained my entire family for hours on Thanksgiving, watching a news guy sitting in a newsroom doing absolutely nothing but drinking coffee, straightening his hair, and making the occasional remark to the guys in the studio. Well, anyway, I went and hid in my puter room like any self-respecting nerd would do on a family gathering day, but my step brother and cousins and all that thought it was hilarious.
I think they were just waiting for him to fart.
All your base are belong to XO
http://mi-net.dynup.net/
http://blackmagik.dynup.net/
I'm surprised there's no other mentions of OS/2 floating around here. Quite the amazing system for it's time, during the Warp 3 era. Still quite an amazing system.. I just wish it could be easily trimmed back to be a lean monster like Linux can be. But it would take lot of effort to do so. I wonder if eComStation will be any better, less geared towards absolute redundancy and enterprise class server operations, even in the client edition. It's biggest downfall is it's resource usage. But at least it knew what to -do- with those resources, whereas it's competitor of the time NT, was just a resource slug that didn't use the resources for anything good except lunch.
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In the cell phone industry. Though I've never known of one to catch on fire, some software versions of the Sony CMD-600 and a few other phones in the original CDMA phone line up had some software issues that caused them to in certain circumstances drain their batteries so fast that the batteries would heat up to the point of burning at the touch, in only a few minutes of usage!
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Oh My God, I think I'm going to wet myself laughing.
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The only insanely complex software involved with the whole mail system is sendmail - And god only knows why sendmail has to be the world's well-known "most complex program ever written". It's a nightmare.
And most nobody ever uses it's insanely complex features, as nobody understands them. If I remember correctly, the O'Reilly book on sendmail (from waaaay back in the day when I actually paid attention to O'Reilly.. we're talking back before the WWW) is one of the largest books they've ever produced. Maybe I'm wrong on that since I haven't paid attention in about 10 years.. but still..
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Just no one knew about it.
Of course, there was no WWW then.
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486 w/ two net cards: http://www.freesco.org/ You won't go nuts with this one. Mailserver: http://www.extremail.org/ (also runs atop freesco)
RadioShack also sells (special order) a spool of 1000' Cat-5e plenum rated for around $69+shipping. From what I hear, this is a decent deal. (if not, ask about a discount, there's always a way)
The store I work at in Michigan has probably run the warehouse dry on keystones a few times, I'm always ordering 10-15 of each item every week, it seems.
On the cat5 cabling. Cat5 cabling can, since it's basically just wire, also be used for many things other than just computer networking. Don't forget this! Since you are most likely buying a shitload of Cat5 if you are wiring up your house, always have at least 2 or 3 more drops than you need for Cat5. It's great for telephone use (better shielding/twisted pair setup makes a lot of phone interference go away .. real nice), can be used to hook up a set of speakers (though since it's low gauge, you won't get great sound, it works in a pinch), virtually anything that requires wire. I have even seen someone wire an F connector (tv coax) to a Cat5 cable. It worked. Won't say it worked well, but it worked.
5.5 introduces some more flaws into the CSS stuff, also.. which are corrected in 6.0, with a compatibility mode.. which the web-page author can toggle. not too bad a job on 6.0 from microsoft.. never thought i'd say a good word about microsoft anywhere anyhow
yeah, i've encountered MANY windows apps where ctrl-insert/shift-insert don't work. MANY, especially for ctrl-insert. on the other hand, I don't think I've ever found an X app where it didn't... lol. those key sequences make sense, and don't violate the standards that long-time geeks from the text days are used to. heh.