This sounds like another example of "you have money and i want money, so im going to sue you for it."
I think I'll sue the entire automotive industry because, once a car leaves the dealership and hits the roads, it could potentially be used in any number of crimes and that rasies prices...
This may be a little bit before some of you, but Lucas refered to Return of the Jedi as Revenge of the Jedi to the press as to make it more dificult to find out info on it, and He has a long history of Misinformation, Misdirection, and Tentative Title names to keep people on thier toes.
What I dont understand is: If you make an exact bit-by-bit copy of a CD, then wouldn't it stand to reason that the CD Copy would play exactly like to original?
You have to remember that it took almost 50 years for the AT&T antitrust case to be setteled. Sure AT&T had court victories here and there, but in the end they lost the case because they were a monopoly. I don't see much difference here.
This isn't going to be like a murder trial, either guilty or not guilty, there are many differant points of guilt or innocence that have to be proven, and every one of them can be turned/returned/overturned/changed in following appeals.
Its going to take a while, but I think MS is going to end up losing out on this one, especially if they keep up with thier current buisness practices.
From the article-
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One of the coolest things is that the AI is based on a state system. Enemies are generally in a "relaxed" state where they will stand at-ease, smoke, look at maps, etc. If an enemy sees something (example - a dead body) or hears something (example - a bullet hitting a wall near them) suspicious, they enter an "alert" state where they become more aware of their surroundings and begin searching. Once they have recognized you or know where you are at, they enter a combat mode where they'll attack, sound the alarm, alert other guards, etc. It is a system that is incredibly dynamic and increases the emphasis on the tactical nature in which you play the game.
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Um, Thats not anything new. In fact its not not even anywhere near new. Game AI has been using Emotion case switch "States" for years.
For example:
AI is calm, AI hears gunshot, AI is Aggrivated, AI sees enemy, AI is Hostle.
AI Loses site of enemy, AI is back to Aggrivated and searching path nodes or what ever the map is using for AI routing.
This is almost as old as game programing gets. I think using it as an example of "Invative Game Design" either means this guy is PR and knows nothing of game programing, or he's covering his ass for a question he didn't expect and hoping the readership is dumb enough no to know the difference.
(I am still excited to see another wolfenstien coming out though.)
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Maybe they figure that since they can't sell it, they'll just have to give it away. lol.
After everything they've said about the GPL, Open Source Movement, and the Free Software Movement, I think its hypicritical of them to release anything under these pretenses. I question thier motives on this, and I wouldn't touch that code with a ten foot pole.
"Of course, video and computer games are the closest most people come to experiencing situations like that. In fact, Dr. Silverman said one of his students had recently asked him why he even bothered with his research when there are games like Age of Empires, Microsoft's popular warfare strategy series."
I don't know about you, but I know I'D feel safer knowing our armed forces were training antiquated home pc stratagy sims.
the tobacco industry claimed that Ciggerettes were non-addictive, the Energy and Power commission claimed that High Tension Power Lines didn't cause cancer (despite almost overwealming proof otherwise), and The NRC said the actual chance of a Nuclear Meltdown is so slim, we are likly never to see it.
People lie for money, and the communications industry has enough money to buy a lot of truth.
Regardless of what they say, most Cell Phones (and Cell Phone Towers) transmit and recieve signals in the low microwave freq's (low in frequency not in amount of exposure). Sure its not as bad as sticking your head in a Microwave oven, but long term (I'd say 5-10yr+) exposure to that level of even low frequency microwave radiation will cause a huge jump in cancer. Esp cancers of the head, neck, and throat.
the numbers will start rolling in in the next few years, mark my words.
well, hell then. if this is legal, im goning to make a plugin for IE6 that automaticly defaces websites with anti-MS propaganda. that will be a hoot.
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"We believe in total empowerment of the user to decide what content they want to look at," Sanford said. "Everybody tends to focus on the negative side of this like we're going to expose (users) to a lot of bad content... I think we're going to expose people to a lot of good content."
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who exactly decides what is good or bad content for you?
Does this law also apply to DataSniffers and other devices/software that may allow a law enforcment agency access to information Tx'ing or Rx'ing from your Private Network (specificly Im talking about the FBI's Carnivore Project).
This would give them access to information that they would otherwise need to have access to the Suspect machine to retrieve.
Oh, and btw, Remember that in most states Search and Siezure laws that apply to your home, don't apply to your car, boat, rv, etc (even if you live in/on it).
foriegn communications are not covered by the laws that apply to domestic communications in the US. (i.e., if your not a US citizen then they can violate your rights seven ways to sunday.)
Take all those old 486's and beowolf those bad boy's togeather in to one distributed processing dinosaur, and set them to figuring out something REALLY important, like how come the two biggest political parties in the US can never seem to pick a competant candidate for president from their combined membership.
Its kind of funny that this comes so close on the heals of AOL's website suit with Aimster. I also think it odd that the RIAA has yet to say anything about ICQ's P2P file sharing abilities.
Of course I guess that could be because ICQ is owned and operated by AOL.
Now isn't it curious that AOL isnt subject to the wrath of their cohorts (remember AOL/TimeWarner merger?) the RIAA, who only seem content to attack non-media affiliated developers who can't afford to defend themselves against a lawsuit like this.
It seems to me that we should start focusing on the lawsuits that are not happening to show that the RIAA is using Oligopolistic tactics against non-member companies and groups.
(an Oligopoly is like a monopoly only consisting of a few companies working in tandem with each other to control a market.)
How are our children ever supposed to learn responsibility and how to make the right decision if they are controlled like inmates. If you don't give them respect and trust, they won't know what it is to be respected or trusted, and will relay that leter in life.
These people worry about thier children being criminals, but if they treat them like criminals from the get go, isn't it likly thats exactly what they'll turn out to be?
They say it is for the childrens own good, but I think it is more likly that it is a desprite need for control in thier life that they otherwise can't have. The people who seem to oppose this plan seem to be the ones who are in control of thier own life.
Wouldn't it make more sense to teach the children how to take control of thier own life, and make good judgements then to take that control, and the need to make good judgements completly away through the use of survaliance? I guess maybe, thats where the problem lies. The parents who ar ebehind this plan would rather not have to work a raising a child, and teaching them good judgment skills. They would rather just have instant control and breed little orwellian citizenry.
I wonder if these same parents would opt for a plan to allow thier children to be programmed (literally) like a machine on what is right and wrong, good and bad, or would they be opposed to that because it 'would take away thier individuality and personality.'
I believe that this is a critical time in the history of mankind, in more ways then one. A decision like this isn't just about watching our children, its a very important moral decision on where control should be placed. Should a person be allowed to be in control of themselves, or should authority be allowed to take control for you.
Right now some don't see this as a big deal, but let me give you a hypithetical situation.
Our parents put cameras in our streets, in our stores, and in our workplaces. We grow up with the idea that being watched is part of daily life, and we put cameras in schools to protect our children. Those children growup and become parents and but chips in thier children so they can protect them better. This continues ad infinitum, all the while personal freedom shrinks up untill it blows away. This is happening as we speak, It has been happening for at least 50 years and will continue to happen as long as we allow it.
I personally will never allow this to happen to my children and will bust my tail to make sure they never let it happen to thier children.
They start the letter by stating that they thought long a hard about filing a lawsuit against Roxio. Then they state how they don't think they charge that much for thier service, and what thier service includes. Lastly, they talk about who wrote the CDDB software, and how it(the CDDB software) is thier intelectual property.
My question is, What in Gods name does any of this have to do with why Gracenote thinks that Roxio infringed on any of they're rights by switching to a free company instead of paying them. Roxio didn't break contract, it had legaly expired. They didn't steal anything from Gracenote, and as far as I know the Album name/Artist name/track name format has been long associated with identifying one record/artist/track form another.
If this guy is going to jail for discusing missile tracking and guidance systems, I'm definetly in trouble for some of my Quake 3 conversations.
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Man I hate Campers, all Campers. They are the scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned. Every time I see one, I pull out my rocket launcher and turn them in to a red misty memory.
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I understand a company being able to dictate what software/hardware/email system you use at work, but I'd be interested to see the legal ramifications of forcing an employing to use a specific software/hardware/email system at home.
the fact is is old news makes it no less disturbing.
Why anyone would use a MS product in a Security intsive application (like data servers, or critical workstations) is beyond me. Opinions aside, there are to many well known and well documented holes in the security of thier products, that they have tried to hide until the heat came down on them. Not to mention stability flaws.
How can use trust a company like that. They seem to me to be a company that apparantly has no regard for the integrity of thier products.
If/. wasn't a forum of free speech, your post wouldn't have ever shown up.
The whole point of free speech is for people to be able to express ideas, opinions and information, even if you don't like it/them, and to have to ability to clearify false information when it is dispensed.
There are 1,800 commercial licensees of ours who pay to access our database, including AOL, RealNetworks and MusicMatch," said Dave Marglin, general counsel for Berkeley, Calif.-based Gracenote. "Roxio is trying to get for free what other people pay for. It's our valuable intellectual property that's underlying all this.
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As far as I can figure, The format of Artist/Album/Track has been around a lot longer then Gracenote, and the keeping of records of what albums/tracks, etc belong to what artist has been around longer then computers. As far as I know also, keeping a database of information on anything is also legal.
The article also says that Roxio's contract expired legaly.
Even as grey of a term as 'intellectual property' is, how does Gracenote say that they have any rights to any of the formats/information/etc of freedb?
the phrase "Roxio is trying to get for free what other people pay for." I think sums it up. Gracenote is worried that if other companies get wind of a free and legal alternative to thier service, that they will go out of business.
and even if FreeDB did somehow violate intprop laws, why is gracenote suing roxio? shouldnt they be suing FreeDB?
I hope this case gets laughed out of court like it should.
Hate to break it to you, but there are lots of forms of low level radiation that don't mutate DNA. Some of them include, Radio waves, lightwaves, Alpha, Beta, and Theta brain waves (yes they are all EM radiation), low level infrared, and sound radiation.
None of these are known to cause mutation at low levels.
also I think the major suprise is that the mutation didn't show up in the person(s) exposed, only in children concieved after exposier.
Sometimes the answer is not as obvious as one might think...
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This sounds like another example of "you have money and i want money, so im going to sue you for it."
I think I'll sue the entire automotive industry because, once a car leaves the dealership and hits the roads, it could potentially be used in any number of crimes and that rasies prices...
Stupdity in action.
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This may be a little bit before some of you, but Lucas refered to Return of the Jedi as Revenge of the Jedi to the press as to make it more dificult to find out info on it, and He has a long history of Misinformation, Misdirection, and Tentative Title names to keep people on thier toes.
I expect this to be no differant.
What I dont understand is: If you make an exact bit-by-bit copy of a CD, then wouldn't it stand to reason that the CD Copy would play exactly like to original?
RA7
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You have to remember that it took almost 50 years for the AT&T antitrust case to be setteled. Sure AT&T had court victories here and there, but in the end they lost the case because they were a monopoly. I don't see much difference here.
This isn't going to be like a murder trial, either guilty or not guilty, there are many differant points of guilt or innocence that have to be proven, and every one of them can be turned/returned/overturned/changed in following appeals.
Its going to take a while, but I think MS is going to end up losing out on this one, especially if they keep up with thier current buisness practices.
RA7
From the article-
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One of the coolest things is that the AI is based on a state system. Enemies are generally in a "relaxed" state where they will stand at-ease, smoke, look at maps, etc. If an enemy sees something (example - a dead body) or hears something (example - a bullet hitting a wall near them) suspicious, they enter an "alert" state where they become more aware of their surroundings and begin searching. Once they have recognized you or know where you are at, they enter a combat mode where they'll attack, sound the alarm, alert other guards, etc. It is a system that is incredibly dynamic and increases the emphasis on the tactical nature in which you play the game.
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Um, Thats not anything new. In fact its not not even anywhere near new. Game AI has been using Emotion case switch "States" for years.
For example:
AI is calm, AI hears gunshot, AI is Aggrivated, AI sees enemy, AI is Hostle.
AI Loses site of enemy, AI is back to Aggrivated and searching path nodes or what ever the map is using for AI routing.
This is almost as old as game programing gets. I think using it as an example of "Invative Game Design" either means this guy is PR and knows nothing of game programing, or he's covering his ass for a question he didn't expect and hoping the readership is dumb enough no to know the difference.
(I am still excited to see another wolfenstien coming out though.)
RA7
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Maybe they figure that since they can't sell it, they'll just have to give it away. lol.
After everything they've said about the GPL, Open Source Movement, and the Free Software Movement, I think its hypicritical of them to release anything under these pretenses. I question thier motives on this, and I wouldn't touch that code with a ten foot pole.
RA7
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as quoted from the article:
"Of course, video and computer games are the closest most people come to experiencing situations like that. In fact, Dr. Silverman said one of his students had recently asked him why he even bothered with his research when there are games like Age of Empires, Microsoft's popular warfare strategy series."
I don't know about you, but I know I'D feel safer knowing our armed forces were training antiquated home pc stratagy sims.
RA7
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the tobacco industry claimed that Ciggerettes were non-addictive, the Energy and Power commission claimed that High Tension Power Lines didn't cause cancer (despite almost overwealming proof otherwise), and The NRC said the actual chance of a Nuclear Meltdown is so slim, we are likly never to see it.
People lie for money, and the communications industry has enough money to buy a lot of truth.
Regardless of what they say, most Cell Phones (and Cell Phone Towers) transmit and recieve signals in the low microwave freq's (low in frequency not in amount of exposure). Sure its not as bad as sticking your head in a Microwave oven, but long term (I'd say 5-10yr+) exposure to that level of even low frequency microwave radiation will cause a huge jump in cancer. Esp cancers of the head, neck, and throat.
the numbers will start rolling in in the next few years, mark my words.
well, hell then. if this is legal, im goning to make a plugin for IE6 that automaticly defaces websites with anti-MS propaganda. that will be a hoot. ... I think we're going to expose people to a lot of good content."
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"We believe in total empowerment of the user to decide what content they want to look at," Sanford said. "Everybody tends to focus on the negative side of this like we're going to expose (users) to a lot of bad content
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who exactly decides what is good or bad content for you?
Does this law also apply to DataSniffers and other devices/software that may allow a law enforcment agency access to information Tx'ing or Rx'ing from your Private Network (specificly Im talking about the FBI's Carnivore Project).
This would give them access to information that they would otherwise need to have access to the Suspect machine to retrieve.
Oh, and btw, Remember that in most states Search and Siezure laws that apply to your home, don't apply to your car, boat, rv, etc (even if you live in/on it).
RA7
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foriegn communications are not covered by the laws that apply to domestic communications in the US. (i.e., if your not a US citizen then they can violate your rights seven ways to sunday.)
RA7
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http://news.cnet.com/news/0,10000,0-1004-200-34214 7,00.html
Thats pretty interesting since MS owns around 5 Billion dollars worth of AT&T.
I bet dollars to doughnuts they settle out of court for an 'undisclosed' amount of money.
kinda of makes it look like thier trying to funnel money from one company to another with out raising to much suspicion.
Here it is:
Take all those old 486's and beowolf those bad boy's togeather in to one distributed processing dinosaur, and set them to figuring out something REALLY important, like how come the two biggest political parties in the US can never seem to pick a competant candidate for president from their combined membership.
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I would hardly call a 13 year old with to much time on thier hands a "hacker". Punk ass maybe, but hacker no.
RA7
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Its kind of funny that this comes so close on the heals of AOL's website suit with Aimster. I also think it odd that the RIAA has yet to say anything about ICQ's P2P file sharing abilities.
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Of course I guess that could be because ICQ is owned and operated by AOL.
(http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,1283
Now isn't it curious that AOL isnt subject to the wrath of their cohorts (remember AOL/TimeWarner merger?) the RIAA, who only seem content to attack non-media affiliated developers who can't afford to defend themselves against a lawsuit like this.
It seems to me that we should start focusing on the lawsuits that are not happening to show that the RIAA is using Oligopolistic tactics against non-member companies and groups.
(an Oligopoly is like a monopoly only consisting of a few companies working in tandem with each other to control a market.)
RA7
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How are our children ever supposed to learn responsibility and how to make the right decision if they are controlled like inmates. If you don't give them respect and trust, they won't know what it is to be respected or trusted, and will relay that leter in life.
These people worry about thier children being criminals, but if they treat them like criminals from the get go, isn't it likly thats exactly what they'll turn out to be?
They say it is for the childrens own good, but I think it is more likly that it is a desprite need for control in thier life that they otherwise can't have. The people who seem to oppose this plan seem to be the ones who are in control of thier own life.
Wouldn't it make more sense to teach the children how to take control of thier own life, and make good judgements then to take that control, and the need to make good judgements completly away through the use of survaliance? I guess maybe, thats where the problem lies. The parents who ar ebehind this plan would rather not have to work a raising a child, and teaching them good judgment skills. They would rather just have instant control and breed little orwellian citizenry.
I wonder if these same parents would opt for a plan to allow thier children to be programmed (literally) like a machine on what is right and wrong, good and bad, or would they be opposed to that because it 'would take away thier individuality and personality.'
I believe that this is a critical time in the history of mankind, in more ways then one. A decision like this isn't just about watching our children, its a very important moral decision on where control should be placed. Should a person be allowed to be in control of themselves, or should authority be allowed to take control for you.
Right now some don't see this as a big deal, but let me give you a hypithetical situation.
Our parents put cameras in our streets, in our stores, and in our workplaces. We grow up with the idea that being watched is part of daily life, and we put cameras in schools to protect our children. Those children growup and become parents and but chips in thier children so they can protect them better. This continues ad infinitum, all the while personal freedom shrinks up untill it blows away. This is happening as we speak, It has been happening for at least 50 years and will continue to happen as long as we allow it.
I personally will never allow this to happen to my children and will bust my tail to make sure they never let it happen to thier children.
RA7
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They start the letter by stating that they thought long a hard about filing a lawsuit against Roxio. Then they state how they don't think they charge that much for thier service, and what thier service includes. Lastly, they talk about who wrote the CDDB software, and how it(the CDDB software) is thier intelectual property.
My question is, What in Gods name does any of this have to do with why Gracenote thinks that Roxio infringed on any of they're rights by switching to a free company instead of paying them. Roxio didn't break contract, it had legaly expired. They didn't steal anything from Gracenote, and as far as I know the Album name/Artist name/track name format has been long associated with identifying one record/artist/track form another.
This suit is gonna flop so hard.
RA7
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$1200-$1500 for a computer?!?
Build your own for half of that and show them where they can stick thier 'Dynamic Pricing'.
Even if you can't build it yourself almost everyone knows someone who can and probablyly would for next to nothing.
RA7
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If this guy is going to jail for discusing missile tracking and guidance systems, I'm definetly in trouble for some of my Quake 3 conversations.
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Man I hate Campers, all Campers. They are the scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned. Every time I see one, I pull out my rocket launcher and turn them in to a red misty memory.
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see what I mean.
RA7
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I understand a company being able to dictate what software/hardware/email system you use at work, but I'd be interested to see the legal ramifications of forcing an employing to use a specific software/hardware/email system at home.
RA7
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the fact is is old news makes it no less disturbing.
Why anyone would use a MS product in a Security intsive application (like data servers, or critical workstations) is beyond me. Opinions aside, there are to many well known and well documented holes in the security of thier products, that they have tried to hide until the heat came down on them. Not to mention stability flaws.
How can use trust a company like that. They seem to me to be a company that apparantly has no regard for the integrity of thier products.
RA7
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If /. wasn't a forum of free speech, your post wouldn't have ever shown up.
The whole point of free speech is for people to be able to express ideas, opinions and information, even if you don't like it/them, and to have to ability to clearify false information when it is dispensed.
RA7
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from the article-
There are 1,800 commercial licensees of ours who pay to access our database, including AOL, RealNetworks and MusicMatch," said Dave Marglin, general counsel for Berkeley, Calif.-based Gracenote. "Roxio is trying to get for free what other people pay for. It's our valuable intellectual property that's underlying all this.
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As far as I can figure, The format of Artist/Album/Track has been around a lot longer then Gracenote, and the keeping of records of what albums/tracks, etc belong to what artist has been around longer then computers. As far as I know also, keeping a database of information on anything is also legal.
The article also says that Roxio's contract expired legaly.
Even as grey of a term as 'intellectual property' is, how does Gracenote say that they have any rights to any of the formats/information/etc of freedb?
the phrase "Roxio is trying to get for free what other people pay for." I think sums it up. Gracenote is worried that if other companies get wind of a free and legal alternative to thier service, that they will go out of business.
and even if FreeDB did somehow violate intprop laws, why is gracenote suing roxio? shouldnt they be suing FreeDB?
I hope this case gets laughed out of court like it should.
RA7
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I figured you were sadly misinformed, but I guess your just a bad comedian.
At least we both agree that the article shouldnt use the term 'low-level radiation'
RA7
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Hate to break it to you, but there are lots of forms of low level radiation that don't mutate DNA. Some of them include, Radio waves, lightwaves, Alpha, Beta, and Theta brain waves (yes they are all EM radiation), low level infrared, and sound radiation.
None of these are known to cause mutation at low levels.
also I think the major suprise is that the mutation didn't show up in the person(s) exposed, only in children concieved after exposier.
Sometimes the answer is not as obvious as one might think...