What makes us great is that we have differences in opinion, and are willing to fight and die for them.
Depends on how you look at it, really. Is it OK for you to have a difference of opinion with your next-door-neighbor and to be willing to fight and die for it?
I guess it is different for people you will never know or even see?
I know we are all supposed to be kissing the flag or GW's toejam right now but...
but without the wherewithal or grades to go to a good college then the military will basically be your savior.
this says to me "can't hack it in the Real World&trade... join the military!" I know this has probably always been true but to say it right now really flips my irony switch...
by responding to your post, I have been trolled and you have been flamed.
It's exclusively the job of the court to interpret the laws and also to
determine if they are unconstitutional.
It is exclusively the job of the court (or the jury in a jury trial) to determine guilt or innocence of the suspect. It is not the job of Adobe, the FBI, and certainly not you.
You obviously did not bother to spend 30 seconds to even skim the article referenced. Since you are apparently lazy (and possibly whiny) I have brought the article to you, at least in part...
The demands of the initiative don't stem from purely idealistic or financial concerns, however. Eisen said the
idea had its roots in the emerging effort to apply text-mining technology to the body of biomedical literature.
A single, free repository of scientific articles would be as valuable a resource as GenBank is for genomic
data, Eisen said.
Have any idea yet that this issue has nothing to do with laziness? How about this:
We believe that the permanent, archival record of
scientific research and ideas should neither be owned
nor controlled by publishers, but should belong to the
public, and should be made freely available
Oh and by the way, they are not asking the publishers to operate or fund the aforementioned online repository.
I'm also disturbed at how many media outlets characterize Skylarov as a 'hacker'
which e isn't. He's a programmer employed by a company, who was assigned the
task of developing algorythems for use with a commercial product. The issue seems
to be that the tech community still hasn't managed to finde the best bridges to the
non-tech community.
It seems to me that the non-tech person's definition of the word "hacker" ( a person who illegally gains access to and
sometimes tampers with information in a computer
system ) versus the techie definition ( an expert at programming and solving problems
with a computer ) has been and is going to be an obstacle in getting the general population to recognize the importance of these issues (DMCA, etc). -note: these are lame webster definitions I admit, but were convenient
When someone is labelled a hacker, to the non-tech person this means the script kiddie who stole his/her credit card number from CD Universe the one and only time they dared to shop online.
I think one potential solution to the dual meaning would be to do with the term "hacker" what the black community has done with the word n*gga. I hereby decree that from now on, it is okay for another computer geek to call me a hacker, but anyone from the non-tech world tries it and they shall be castigated mercilessly.
That way we keep the good meaning (technically proficient), while killing off the bad (script kiddie, cracker, black hat, whatever). Where are the Political Correctness (tm) Police when you need them?
China's laws broadly ban "socially destabilizing content," breaches of public security, "divulging state secrets", Internet pornography, and "trafficking in products designed to circumvent copyright protection measures".
According to China's new Attorney General, John Ashcroft, "there are many people of poor and evil motivations who are seeking to disrupt business and government and exploit any vulnerabilities in the digital universe."
"There is perhaps nothing quite as distressing as the unintended consequences
of well-intentioned government," Ashcroft added.
The consensus reaction on Slashdot was "Gee, those Chinese ppl are mean. China sux. Good thing we live in the U.S. of A."
Ashcroft's former employer, George W. Bush, had no official comment but was heard to mutter under his breath "there ought to be limits to freedom."
My tax refund is going to the EFF, but I only wish it was $300 or $600.
I got the IRS notification yesterday and my special gift from George Dubya is a measly $13.25 (this for for me and my wife and yes, we both work full-time or close to it).
All of you out there who have been hearing the media hype about our $600 checks, don't hold your breath.
"While he was undoubtedly chosen for political reasons
, as a Russian is a good example for the US
public, the risk extends arbitrarily further"
Or this:
"While he was undoubtedly chosen for political reasons
(as a Russian is a good example for the US
public) the risk extends arbitrarily further"
Then again, if you cannot see through a misspelling or a missing comma to the idea that someone is trying to get across, then you are going to have one tough time on the internet.
actually, there have been cases of people being addicted to water...
Seriously though, in my undergrad studies in psychology, I remember something about water addiction... basically, it is possible to be addicted to anything... even ellipses...
I've never met a real corporate tool before; I'm fascinated. What's like when they program you to actually like SOMETHING THAT'S KILLING YOU AND THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU?
So obviously you don't drive a car....
Just about any product you buy in our society has negative effects for your health and often the health of those around you...
Not that this justifies secondhand smoke, but if you are against breathing shit for air, then at least don't be selective about it based on what is or is not currently PC...
granted I am but a lowly programming student, not a real programmer, but one wise thing one of my profs keeps telling us is that "your program might do exactly what you designed it to do, but if th users can't use it, then it dosn't work !" >br> not that i believe everything i hears in school, it just seems like good advice
Porn is a world of temptation and stimulation esp. to teenagers buzzing with hormones.
That is why you need to teach you children values (i hate the word "morals"). The way our society is headed is toward removing all temptations rather than instructing kids how to resist temptations. Where do you draw the line though? I mean if we get rid of all fat and sugar filled foods, our kids won't be tempted to eat them and become monumental fatasses. Or we could teach them about proper diet and exercise. Oh, but that would be too hard for the poor parents (boo... hoo... If you can't handle the responsibility then keep your sex organs in your pants...)
Disclaimer: I am in no way in favor of child porn or anything which involves the exploitation or molestation of children. Child molesters should hang by their balls.../End Disclaimer
I agree wholeheartedly with you that making the internet, and media in general "child safe" is bullshit. I believe that it violates the rights of those of us who were clever, strong, or lucky enough to reach adulthood. Don't expect the media corps (including ISPs) to raise your child for you. As an adult I should have the right to see all the violence, gore, sex (excepting the aforementioned kiddie porn), and dirty words that I can stomach if I so desire. I do not want to live in a Disney-flavored world...
But the boy's mother accused AOL of enforcing its rules so poorly that it became a "home shopping network for pedophiles and child pornographers,"
home shopping network is probably a good analogy... both for losers too lazy and stupid to do anything other than buy what is being sold to them...
seriously though, aren't ISPs considered "common carriers" and therefore not responsible for the content of communication carried out over their "lines"???
Sorry, but I must disagree with your premise that these organizations have little power outside the U.S. Are non-access-controlled DVD's the standard outside the U.S.? When Napster is shut down (like right now) are not european users just as SOL as american users? When the U.S. entertainment industry provides the product that the world buys, they have nearly as much power outside the U.S. as within it. Remember, we are just beginning to see the tip of the multinational conglomerate megacorp iceberg right now... these will soon be the "good old days".
Not trying to sound ethnocentric(or nationocentric) but the U.S. government pulls a lot of weight (see financially supports) with many other governments worldwide. Therefore who owns the U.S. government by extension owns a chunk of other nation's governments. And the entertainment industry owns a significant portion of our government here in the good old U.S. of A.
Your problems are our problems and our problems are your problems.
wow, i really went off there... must be the Olde English talking
Microsoft's actions are "plausable"(believable)??? do you even know what you are saying? Surely you don't mean "laudable"(commendable)? Maybe you meant "laughable"(f-ing funny)?
BTW, notice I didn't even make fun of the fact that "plausable" is misspelled...
A better analogy would be leaving the cleaning products and medications all out in the open and within the child's reach and then relying on the "childproof" packaging (technology)to keep your child from consuming them. Would you, as a responsible parent, do that? Or would it be better to keep them inaccessible and teach your children not to drink Drano?
Agreed. Sometimes, reading slashdot, I feel as thought seeing IANAL one more time will push me over the edge of nausea into the abyss of explosive vomiting. As if all posters are assumed to be lawyers by default. Let lawyers use IAAL (i am a lawyer) and everyone else just shut the FK up about it.
Sorry, just seeing everyone write all the same shit everyone else writes because everyone else is writing it bums me out...
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What makes us great is that we have differences in opinion, and are willing to fight and die for them.
Depends on how you look at it, really.
Is it OK for you to have a difference of opinion with your next-door-neighbor and to be willing to fight and die for it?
I guess it is different for people you will never know or even see?
I know we are all supposed to be kissing the flag or GW's toejam right now but...
but without the wherewithal or grades to go to a good college then the military will basically be your savior.
this says to me "can't hack it in the Real World&trade... join the military!"
I know this has probably always been true but to say it right now really flips my irony switch...
I'm gonna be trolled for this, but...
by responding to your post, I have been trolled and you have been flamed.
It's exclusively the job of the court to interpret the laws and also to determine if they are unconstitutional.
It is exclusively the job of the court (or the jury in a jury trial) to determine guilt or innocence of the suspect. It is not the job of Adobe, the FBI, and certainly not you.
You obviously did not bother to spend 30 seconds to even skim the article referenced. Since you are apparently lazy (and possibly whiny) I have brought the article to you, at least in part...
The demands of the initiative don't stem from purely idealistic or financial concerns, however. Eisen said the idea had its roots in the emerging effort to apply text-mining technology to the body of biomedical literature. A single, free repository of scientific articles would be as valuable a resource as GenBank is for genomic data, Eisen said.
Have any idea yet that this issue has nothing to do with laziness? How about this:
We believe that the permanent, archival record of scientific research and ideas should neither be owned nor controlled by publishers, but should belong to the public, and should be made freely available
Oh and by the way, they are not asking the publishers to operate or fund the aforementioned online repository.
I'm also disturbed at how many media outlets characterize Skylarov as a 'hacker' which e isn't. He's a programmer employed by a company, who was assigned the task of developing algorythems for use with a commercial product. The issue seems to be that the tech community still hasn't managed to finde the best bridges to the non-tech community.
It seems to me that the non-tech person's definition of the word "hacker" ( a person who illegally gains access to and sometimes tampers with information in a computer system ) versus the techie definition ( an expert at programming and solving problems with a computer ) has been and is going to be an obstacle in getting the general population to recognize the importance of these issues (DMCA, etc). -note: these are lame webster definitions I admit, but were convenient
When someone is labelled a hacker, to the non-tech person this means the script kiddie who stole his/her credit card number from CD Universe the one and only time they dared to shop online.
I think one potential solution to the dual meaning would be to do with the term "hacker" what the black community has done with the word n*gga. I hereby decree that from now on, it is okay for another computer geek to call me a hacker, but anyone from the non-tech world tries it and they shall be castigated mercilessly.
That way we keep the good meaning (technically proficient), while killing off the bad (script kiddie, cracker, black hat, whatever). Where are the Political Correctness (tm) Police when you need them?
China's laws broadly ban "socially destabilizing content," breaches of public security, "divulging state secrets", Internet pornography, and "trafficking in products designed to circumvent copyright protection measures".
According to China's new Attorney General, John Ashcroft, "there are many people of poor and evil motivations who are seeking to disrupt business and government and exploit any vulnerabilities in the digital universe."
"There is perhaps nothing quite as distressing as the unintended consequences of well-intentioned government," Ashcroft added.
The consensus reaction on Slashdot was "Gee, those Chinese ppl are mean. China sux. Good thing we live in the U.S. of A."
Ashcroft's former employer, George W. Bush, had no official comment but was heard to mutter under his breath "there ought to be limits to freedom."
My tax refund is going to the EFF, but I only wish it was $300 or $600.
I got the IRS notification yesterday and my special gift from George Dubya is a measly $13.25 (this for for me and my wife and yes, we both work full-time or close to it).
All of you out there who have been hearing the media hype about our $600 checks, don't hold your breath.
"They're bloody everywhere in England,"
"bloody" huh...
He sounds British... he must know what he is talking about then...
This coming from a nation that colonized, invaded, and took over countless other countries and cultures?
I hope you are not from the U.S.
because that sounds kinda like us... (the U.S.)
actually, there have been cases of people being addicted to water...
Seriously though, in my undergrad studies in psychology, I remember something about water addiction... basically, it is possible to be addicted to anything... even ellipses...
I've never met a real corporate tool before; I'm fascinated. What's like when they program you to actually like SOMETHING THAT'S KILLING YOU AND THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU?
...
So obviously you don't drive a car....
Just about any product you buy in our society has negative effects for your health and often the health of those around you...
Not that this justifies secondhand smoke, but if you are against breathing shit for air, then at least don't be selective about it based on what is or is not currently PC
bye for now
noone's calling them (christians)looney and accusing them of selling garbage.
Christians are looney and are selling garbage
there ya go...
why, oh why, didn't i preview :-(
granted I am but a lowly programming student, not a real programmer, but one wise thing one of my profs keeps telling us is that "your program might do exactly what you designed it to do, but if th users can't use it, then it dosn't work !"
>br> not that i believe everything i hears in school, it just seems like good advice
Well as an ISP I'm pleased...
As a carrier I don't expect...
Wow, I've never seen an ISP and a carrier post on slashdot before...
hehe just f-ing witcha
Porn is a world of temptation and stimulation esp. to teenagers buzzing with hormones.
That is why you need to teach you children values (i hate the word "morals"). The way our society is headed is toward removing all temptations rather than instructing kids how to resist temptations. Where do you draw the line though? I mean if we get rid of all fat and sugar filled foods, our kids won't be tempted to eat them and become monumental fatasses. Or we could teach them about proper diet and exercise. Oh, but that would be too hard for the poor parents (boo... hoo... If you can't handle the responsibility then keep your sex organs in your pants...)
Disclaimer: I am in no way in favor of child porn or anything which involves the exploitation or molestation of children. Child molesters should hang by their balls... /End Disclaimer
I agree wholeheartedly with you that making the internet, and media in general "child safe" is bullshit. I believe that it violates the rights of those of us who were clever, strong, or lucky enough to reach adulthood. Don't expect the media corps (including ISPs) to raise your child for you. As an adult I should have the right to see all the violence, gore, sex (excepting the aforementioned kiddie porn), and dirty words that I can stomach if I so desire. I do not want to live in a Disney-flavored world...
how about "significant non-infringing (see legal) uses"???
although i do support napster (idealogically, not financially)
But the boy's mother accused AOL of enforcing its rules so poorly that it became a "home shopping network for pedophiles and child pornographers,"
home shopping network is probably a good analogy... both for losers too lazy and stupid to do anything other than buy what is being sold to them...
seriously though, aren't ISPs considered "common carriers" and therefore not responsible for the content of communication carried out over their "lines"???
Sorry, but I must disagree with your premise that these organizations have little power outside the U.S. Are non-access-controlled DVD's the standard outside the U.S.? When Napster is shut down (like right now) are not european users just as SOL as american users? When the U.S. entertainment industry provides the product that the world buys, they have nearly as much power outside the U.S. as within it. Remember, we are just beginning to see the tip of the multinational conglomerate megacorp iceberg right now... these will soon be the "good old days".
Not trying to sound ethnocentric(or nationocentric) but the U.S. government pulls a lot of weight (see financially supports) with many other governments worldwide. Therefore who owns the U.S. government by extension owns a chunk of other nation's governments. And the entertainment industry owns a significant portion of our government here in the good old U.S. of A.
Your problems are our problems and our problems are your problems.
wow, i really went off there... must be the Olde English talking
Microsoft's actions are "plausable"(believable)??? do you even know what you are saying? Surely you don't mean "laudable"(commendable)? Maybe you meant "laughable"(f-ing funny)? BTW, notice I didn't even make fun of the fact that "plausable" is misspelled...
A better analogy would be leaving the cleaning products and medications all out in the open and within the child's reach and then relying on the "childproof" packaging (technology)to keep your child from consuming them. Would you, as a responsible parent, do that? Or would it be better to keep them inaccessible and teach your children not to drink Drano?
Thanks a lot GW for that extra 11 cents a month. don't blame me... i voted with the majority...
Agreed. Sometimes, reading slashdot, I feel as thought seeing IANAL one more time will push me over the edge of nausea into the abyss of explosive vomiting. As if all posters are assumed to be lawyers by default. Let lawyers use IAAL (i am a lawyer) and everyone else just shut the FK up about it. Sorry, just seeing everyone write all the same shit everyone else writes because everyone else is writing it bums me out...