I also think if freenet were written in C, it would have far more developer support.
Documentation is lacking and that doesnt help, what also doesnt help is using java, Freenet barely works on Linux and MacOSX.
C would have been the language of choice simply because more people know C than java, porting would have been faster.
As far as the freenet project going down, someone needs to port freenet to C right now, if its ported to C people will develop for it.
While I konw C, i dont know java. Alot of people would like a freenet DLL for windows from which they could do somethinng like write a vb app front end for the freenet backend. This would make freenet more popular for windows.
I dont know, I disagree about the freenet developers not knowing how to code, they code way better than me, they dont seem to document anything, they dont have a status page, they rarely use the mailing lists and talk too much on frost, communication skills would help.
I think freenet has come far, I think with alittle more support, perhaps some kinda sponser or from donations, or if they make it easier for people to contribute code, freenet will be a success.
Right now freenet is just too underground and esoteric for normal programmers to deal with.
Whats their skin color have to do with any of this?
Ok their culture thats debateable, but the Chinese and Indian cultures are far less violent than ours, they also have a more scientific culture than us, our culture is a more physical labor based culture.
Poor doesnt mean Dumb.
Age has nothing to do with success, you seem to forget China was ahead for a long time in the past, and at one Time africa (more specifically Egypt) was ahead. No one stays on top forever, instead of competiting people should join forces and work together.
Barely literate? Alot of them know English.
Education? Internet.
Standard of living? Biotechnology = free food.
Its not so much culture as ability, when Chinas only jobs left are scientific, they will be forced to do science because China is communist.
Education is free, thats the one benifit of the internet.
Oh science is so competitive, why dont you ask the Scientists for once and not the businessmen.
Ask a programmer working on an open source project if hes competiting, ask a Scientist who wants to solve the mysteries of the universe out of curiosity if they are competiting.
Some people are in science to compete, but the great elite scientists are fueled by a passion greater
And when you go to places like China where everyone is poor, people suddenly arent as selfish, they share.
Sharing is going to be key because you can only compete so much before it starts to harm you
If everything in life were a competition alot of people wouldnt become scientists because they cant compete, people wouldnt try sports because they cant beat everyone they play.
Competition is good for business, bad for science, this comes directly from the scientific community who happens to be against patents.
Think about it, if all scientists were in it just for the money, why be a scientist, you can make more money being a CEO, have you ever thought that some people do things because THEY want answers? THEY likee creating information? They enjoy it?
Grow food in a lab.
Use robots to harvest the food which was genetically altered to feed more people.
You see with genetics and robotics, all that matters is information.
Science is further in the USA France UK etc simply because the USA controls resources, people in china are worried about food, now that science has made stuff like food a non issue, all that will matter will be information, robotics will make labor a non issue, they have more programmers than us and will have better robotics, better programs and if anything, they will get more money from us than we will get from them, we will be buying their robots.
Communism didnt work because communism doesnt work in a labor based society, in a society where everyone is a scientist or a thinker, and all food is mass produced because resources are unlimited, Thats when the tides turn, Now we will be the ones with companies competiting against each other keeping patents from each other while China is working together as one developing stuff.
We may have a patent for an idea and only a rich company may be able to afford it however in china this expensive product will be common.
See you dont realize Capitalism is flawed,Communism is flawed as well, but it has its strengths, teamwork goes father than competition when it comes to developing ideas because ideas are not something that you can do better alone than with a group of other scientists.
You will see in about 20 years, thats all i have to say.
You dont get it, China is not the soviets, second we are in the information age, you can produce i nformation without paying a dime, and produce lots of it in fact, and like open source, the amount of i nformation increases when you share it, China will have the information, we will have the companies to build that information into products. However we will be the ones buying the information from them which they produced for free.
Also if we dont buy it, then they will start companies and make products.
Capitalism is good for selling stuff, but when technology changes too fast for capitalism to handle, capitalism breaks, and communism which can handle change, survives and thrives.
If that were true, we wouldnt have been so behind russia.
Our capitalist system is harmful to information, Science is best when theres sharing of information. Science is about solving problems, scientists are curious not competitive, they do it because they want answers, they like science.
Money helps build products, it doesnt produce information.
I didnt say a trillion in one year. but over the next 5.
Government should fund science, science should not be about money, producers of information should be funded. People who make products off of this information should fund themselves.
Programmers should be government funded.
But Microsoft should not.
Trust me if we dont start funding science, once China has enough money, and we know they have far more scientists than us, We are doomed. China is COMMUNIST, Capitalism is good at some things but if you look at the situation with Russia, Capitalism because its based on people being selfish, causes people and companies to battle with each other, this is fine in most competitive fields but bad for science.
We will never have robotics because our economy isnt compatible with it. Some country like China however will have lots of robotics.
While everyone disses communism one thing thats for sure, Communism in the long run is better than capitalism, however capitalism raises technology faster and quicker even if it cant handle it.
We have technology to build teleported right now
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People should at least be realistic.
Flying Cars? We can teleport stuff. Ever heard of quantum entanglement? Just because we can do something doesnt mean we will,
With tax cuts going on right now, and about 70 percent of all our tax dollars maybe 80 percent now that Bush is president and 911 happened, all going to the Military, and very little going to science, its not that technology doesnt exsist today, its just too expensive to bring out of the lab.
The hope is, other countries and governments will invest trillions of dollars in these technologies.
Korea or was it Taiwan, i cannot remember, is investing Trillions in nano technology, this is how you do it, you need the government to start the industries off by giving companies funding. You also need the government funding scientists.
The trend in the US is so anti tax that its also anti technology.
Companies wont bring technology until they have no choice.
So while we can teleport stuff, use cars which run on air and water, and get energy from the sun or even build fusion reactors, this stuff is still in the lab and will be for 20 years because people want tax cuts.
I dont think technology is the problem for us, technology is purposely being controlled and slowed down by governments who know society cant handle the stuff which is technically possible on paper,
Companies control technology because they cant economically benifit from introducing it, not because it doesnt exsist.
Customers well they dont care if they cant afford it.
Technology will not leap until after 2020, by then Chinas economy will be far better than ours as will Indias. Right now econmies are decided mostly on resources, in the future it will be information which decides who is a rich society and who is not.
China has more producers of information, billions in fact, as does India which means more scientists, more technologies, and eventually unless we get into some kinda cold war battle with them, they are going to surpass us and theres nothing we can do about this.
We can fight them, without technology from them and do another cold war type of thing, or we as scientists, computer or otherwise can all join forces and share information and benifit as a whole.
If everyone were ONE, we wouldnt have problems with war and the like, and as resources become less and less important, and information becomes more important, because we have the internet which is global, every country is going to have information thats valueable to everyone.
If we dont share it, we develop alot slower, if we share it we leap ahead technology wise. By leaping i mean think of it like this.
The USA, it has maybe 250-300 million people who happen to control most of the resources on the planet thus they have the most power.
Theres 6 billion people on earth, 300 million not alot compared to 6 billion, as every nation becomes connected and i think by 2020 or even sooner, everyone will be connected resources wont matter anymore. Any single person in any of these countries will be able to get illegal information from the net and anyone will be able to become a scientist, all of the sudden poor third world countries will billions of people will begin producing scientists by the hundreds of millions(more than all the people we have in the entire USA) and if you add all the third world countries up, billions of scientists will be non US, while maybe a few hundred million will be US scientists.
More scientists does not mean more technology, but in terms of ideas for new technology, theories, maths, inventions, programming ability (I believe India is going to dominate here) US companies will have two choices, try to hire people from other countries for a while until they all have companies of their own, or we can begin sharing information and stop fighting each other.
In my opinion, the sharing thing isnt going to happen, look at the DCMA, and i dont see everyone rushing to use Linux, so Technology and innovation will be stiffled.
AI may be at the level for this at 2016, and we may have the processors to handle it, but even if AI is that good, robotics will never catch up to this.
The best we will be able to do is build intelligent interactive houses, like you walk into your house and you say some words and everything prepares itself, food starts cooking, your favorite show comes on, your door to your room opens, maybe some robotic thing is used to prepare your food.
When you go to bed everything is shut off automatically as you leave the room, and your house temperature in your room is set to an exact degree for sleeping
Michio Kaku has a better timeline to the future in his book Visions.
Anyone who doubts should check out that book at amazon.com
I wont quote whats in the book because i bet i'd be sued for copyright violations or something, but it basically says, Humans will reach nano technology, and quantum revolution within maybe 20-30 years,definately within our lifetimes because silicon wont last beyond 2020.
It goes as far as 2100 and beyond M.Kaku interviewed and speaks to hundreds of other scientists, engineers and people in the know.
Now, as far as if we ever reach the year 2100,thats up to us, so far our society doesnt look like it can handle the technology we are developing, look at the DCMA, and the patent laws, its not like patents will work anymore in the future once technology gets to such a state as described by futurists.
WE already have anti matter in labs.
We already have done fusion, Nasa has anyhow and even have a fusion based engine for their next shuttles.
Someone who does not keep up with science has no right to tell the diffrence between fact and fiction. All the technologies i mentioned we have right now, fact is however it would be too expensive to use right now, for economic reasons we arent using it.
However 100 years from now when China and all these other huge countries have economies better than ours, I highly doubt all of these countries will have the same focus as us, Which means yes we will have leaps in technology duh to there being more scientists and bigger exonomies.
I suggest you buy some of the books from the great michio kaku,.
Warp technology is solved on paper and in theory, we know exactly how to do it and have done it on small scales in labs, building large scale warp technology would cost too much and also we dont have the energy to do it.
Anti matter would provide the energy we need, this energy will be whats used for nano technology, in about 20-30 years it will be common energy and Nano technology will be an expensive but common technology. 100 years from now we will have mastered Nano technology.
Warp drive would only require a small amount of anti matter, all thats needed is a device which can gather anti matter in large enough amounts. So we are one invention away from having enough energy, the last question would be how much it would cost to build the engine. If USA China and India are all getting along, and worked together instead of against each other, we could have a warp drive finished within our lifetimes, possibly within 40-50 years from now.
Of course if the countries compete like we expect, it could be a matter of all the countries having specific technologies and it will come down to economics, will the US pay china for the technology needed to gather the anti matter, or will china pay the USA for the technology for the engine, or will both people pay india for the software needed?
People always complainn about the failures in the Linux community, however the percentage of success in the linux community is greater than the Windows community.
You see, in all industries most businesses fail, in the technology industry most businesses have failed, all the dot coms that went down, all the software companies that Microsoft put out of businessl, you honestly think Linux companies are abnormal because most of them are inn the red? Most companies period are in the red.
Remember before IE was connected with Windows in 98 how slow and buggy it was? No one used IE3.0. IE 3.0 was absolute crap.
IE4.0 however was where things started changing, they tied it into Windows98, in 5.0 they tied it into WindowsME, Windows2k etc, now IE 6.0 or 7.0 is tied into the new OS's.
Run IE on Windows95 and see for yourself. Its as slow as Mozilla
IE only got fast after it became a part of the OS.
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I also think if freenet were written in C, it would have far more developer support.
Documentation is lacking and that doesnt help, what also doesnt help is using java, Freenet barely works on Linux and MacOSX.
C would have been the language of choice simply because more people know C than java, porting would have been faster.
As far as the freenet project going down, someone needs to port freenet to C right now, if its ported to C people will develop for it.
While I konw C, i dont know java. Alot of people would like a freenet DLL for windows from which they could do somethinng like write a vb app front end for the freenet backend. This would make freenet more popular for windows.
I dont know, I disagree about the freenet developers not knowing how to code, they code way better than me, they dont seem to document anything, they dont have a status page, they rarely use the mailing lists and talk too much on frost, communication skills would help.
I think freenet has come far, I think with alittle more support, perhaps some kinda sponser or from donations, or if they make it easier for people to contribute code, freenet will be a success.
Right now freenet is just too underground and esoteric for normal programmers to deal with.
When you compare it to stuff like gnutella, mojonation and others, freenet is about average.
Freenet's not hard to write programs for at all, Freenet itself is whats complicated.
Currently I know C, VB, and I'm learning Java.
Freenet is not that complicated. Its just not documented as well as it could be.
We'd have to buy it unless we want to send thousands of translators to other countries.
IF our military did have it i'm sure its classified and we wouldnt know about it for about 20-30 years.
And just because we have it doesnt mean its safe enough to teleport people, its safe enough to teleport some weapons though.
What are you some kinda racist?
Whats their skin color have to do with any of this?
Ok their culture thats debateable, but the Chinese and Indian cultures are far less violent than ours, they also have a more scientific culture than us, our culture is a more physical labor based culture.
Poor doesnt mean Dumb.
Age has nothing to do with success, you seem to forget China was ahead for a long time in the past, and at one Time africa (more specifically Egypt) was ahead. No one stays on top forever, instead of competiting people should join forces and work together.
Barely literate? Alot of them know English.
Education? Internet.
Standard of living? Biotechnology = free food.
Its not so much culture as ability, when Chinas only jobs left are scientific, they will be forced to do science because China is communist.
Education is free, thats the one benifit of the internet.
10 Trillion dollars invested
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Bush cuts the nano technology budget.
Oh science is so competitive, why dont you ask the Scientists for once and not the businessmen.
Ask a programmer working on an open source project if hes competiting, ask a Scientist who wants to solve the mysteries of the universe out of curiosity if they are competiting.
Some people are in science to compete, but the great elite scientists are fueled by a passion greater
And when you go to places like China where everyone is poor, people suddenly arent as selfish, they share.
Sharing is going to be key because you can only compete so much before it starts to harm you
If everything in life were a competition alot of people wouldnt become scientists because they cant compete, people wouldnt try sports because they cant beat everyone they play.
Competition is good for business, bad for science, this comes directly from the scientific community who happens to be against patents.
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Think about it, if all scientists were in it just for the money, why be a scientist, you can make more money being a CEO, have you ever thought that some people do things because THEY want answers? THEY likee creating information? They enjoy it?
Also, Its bush who is putting all your money in the military.
I havent seen bush put any money into technology.
It was democrats who brought the internet technology to where it is.
So you make it obvious you are republican, however try looking at the budget, Bush reduced NASA, reduced research, increased military.
Bush did this, not the democrats.not the greenparty,
Grow food in a lab.
Use robots to harvest the food which was genetically altered to feed more people.
You see with genetics and robotics, all that matters is information.
Science is further in the USA France UK etc simply because the USA controls resources, people in china are worried about food, now that science has made stuff like food a non issue, all that will matter will be information, robotics will make labor a non issue, they have more programmers than us and will have better robotics, better programs and if anything, they will get more money from us than we will get from them, we will be buying their robots.
Communism didnt work because communism doesnt work in a labor based society, in a society where everyone is a scientist or a thinker, and all food is mass produced because resources are unlimited, Thats when the tides turn, Now we will be the ones with companies competiting against each other keeping patents from each other while China is working together as one developing stuff.
We may have a patent for an idea and only a rich company may be able to afford it however in china this expensive product will be common.
See you dont realize Capitalism is flawed,Communism is flawed as well, but it has its strengths, teamwork goes father than competition when it comes to developing ideas because ideas are not something that you can do better alone than with a group of other scientists.
You will see in about 20 years, thats all i have to say.
You dont get it, China is not the soviets, second we are in the information age, you can produce i nformation without paying a dime, and produce lots of it in fact, and like open source, the amount of i nformation increases when you share it, China will have the information, we will have the companies to build that information into products. However we will be the ones buying the information from them which they produced for free.
Also if we dont buy it, then they will start companies and make products.
Capitalism is good for selling stuff, but when technology changes too fast for capitalism to handle, capitalism breaks, and communism which can handle change, survives and thrives.
If that were true, we wouldnt have been so behind russia.
Our capitalist system is harmful to information, Science is best when theres sharing of information. Science is about solving problems, scientists are curious not competitive, they do it because they want answers, they like science.
Money helps build products, it doesnt produce information.
I didnt say a trillion in one year. but over the next 5.
Government should fund science, science should not be about money, producers of information should be funded. People who make products off of this information should fund themselves.
Programmers should be government funded.
But Microsoft should not.
Trust me if we dont start funding science, once China has enough money, and we know they have far more scientists than us, We are doomed. China is COMMUNIST, Capitalism is good at some things but if you look at the situation with Russia, Capitalism because its based on people being selfish, causes people and companies to battle with each other, this is fine in most competitive fields but bad for science.
We will never have robotics because our economy isnt compatible with it. Some country like China however will have lots of robotics.
While everyone disses communism one thing thats for sure, Communism in the long run is better than capitalism, however capitalism raises technology faster and quicker even if it cant handle it.
People should at least be realistic.
Flying Cars? We can teleport stuff. Ever heard of quantum entanglement? Just because we can do something doesnt mean we will,
With tax cuts going on right now, and about 70 percent of all our tax dollars maybe 80 percent now that Bush is president and 911 happened, all going to the Military, and very little going to science, its not that technology doesnt exsist today, its just too expensive to bring out of the lab.
The hope is, other countries and governments will invest trillions of dollars in these technologies.
Korea or was it Taiwan, i cannot remember, is investing Trillions in nano technology, this is how you do it, you need the government to start the industries off by giving companies funding. You also need the government funding scientists.
The trend in the US is so anti tax that its also anti technology.
Companies wont bring technology until they have no choice.
So while we can teleport stuff, use cars which run on air and water, and get energy from the sun or even build fusion reactors, this stuff is still in the lab and will be for 20 years because people want tax cuts.
I suggestion everyone look at Michio Kaku's Visions
M.Kaku explains this in alittle more detail.
I dont think technology is the problem for us, technology is purposely being controlled and slowed down by governments who know society cant handle the stuff which is technically possible on paper,
Companies control technology because they cant economically benifit from introducing it, not because it doesnt exsist.
Customers well they dont care if they cant afford it.
Technology will not leap until after 2020, by then Chinas economy will be far better than ours as will Indias. Right now econmies are decided mostly on resources, in the future it will be information which decides who is a rich society and who is not.
China has more producers of information, billions in fact, as does India which means more scientists, more technologies, and eventually unless we get into some kinda cold war battle with them, they are going to surpass us and theres nothing we can do about this.
We can fight them, without technology from them and do another cold war type of thing, or we as scientists, computer or otherwise can all join forces and share information and benifit as a whole.
If everyone were ONE, we wouldnt have problems with war and the like, and as resources become less and less important, and information becomes more important, because we have the internet which is global, every country is going to have information thats valueable to everyone.
If we dont share it, we develop alot slower, if we share it we leap ahead technology wise. By leaping i mean think of it like this.
The USA, it has maybe 250-300 million people who happen to control most of the resources on the planet thus they have the most power.
Theres 6 billion people on earth, 300 million not alot compared to 6 billion, as every nation becomes connected and i think by 2020 or even sooner, everyone will be connected resources wont matter anymore. Any single person in any of these countries will be able to get illegal information from the net and anyone will be able to become a scientist, all of the sudden poor third world countries will billions of people will begin producing scientists by the hundreds of millions(more than all the people we have in the entire USA) and if you add all the third world countries up, billions of scientists will be non US, while maybe a few hundred million will be US scientists.
More scientists does not mean more technology, but in terms of ideas for new technology, theories, maths, inventions, programming ability (I believe India is going to dominate here) US companies will have two choices, try to hire people from other countries for a while until they all have companies of their own, or we can begin sharing information and stop fighting each other.
In my opinion, the sharing thing isnt going to happen, look at the DCMA, and i dont see everyone rushing to use Linux, so Technology and innovation will be stiffled.
AI may be at the level for this at 2016, and we may have the processors to handle it, but even if AI is that good, robotics will never catch up to this.
The best we will be able to do is build intelligent interactive houses, like you walk into your house and you say some words and everything prepares itself, food starts cooking, your favorite show comes on, your door to your room opens, maybe some robotic thing is used to prepare your food.
When you go to bed everything is shut off automatically as you leave the room, and your house temperature in your room is set to an exact degree for sleeping
Michio Kaku has a better timeline to the future in his book Visions.
Anyone who doubts should check out that book at amazon.com
I wont quote whats in the book because i bet i'd be sued for copyright violations or something, but it basically says, Humans will reach nano technology, and quantum revolution within maybe 20-30 years,definately within our lifetimes because silicon wont last beyond 2020.
It goes as far as 2100 and beyond M.Kaku interviewed and speaks to hundreds of other scientists, engineers and people in the know.
Now, as far as if we ever reach the year 2100,thats up to us, so far our society doesnt look like it can handle the technology we are developing, look at the DCMA, and the patent laws, its not like patents will work anymore in the future once technology gets to such a state as described by futurists.
There wont be native games without proof that theres a market to sell them to
WE already have anti matter in labs.
We already have done fusion, Nasa has anyhow and even have a fusion based engine for their next shuttles.
Someone who does not keep up with science has no right to tell the diffrence between fact and fiction. All the technologies i mentioned we have right now, fact is however it would be too expensive to use right now, for economic reasons we arent using it.
However 100 years from now when China and all these other huge countries have economies better than ours, I highly doubt all of these countries will have the same focus as us, Which means yes we will have leaps in technology duh to there being more scientists and bigger exonomies.
I suggest you buy some of the books from the great michio kaku,.
Warp technology is solved on paper and in theory, we know exactly how to do it and have done it on small scales in labs, building large scale warp technology would cost too much and also we dont have the energy to do it.
Anti matter would provide the energy we need, this energy will be whats used for nano technology, in about 20-30 years it will be common energy and Nano technology will be an expensive but common technology. 100 years from now we will have mastered Nano technology.
Warp drive would only require a small amount of anti matter, all thats needed is a device which can gather anti matter in large enough amounts. So we are one invention away from having enough energy, the last question would be how much it would cost to build the engine. If USA China and India are all getting along, and worked together instead of against each other, we could have a warp drive finished within our lifetimes, possibly within 40-50 years from now.
Of course if the countries compete like we expect, it could be a matter of all the countries having specific technologies and it will come down to economics, will the US pay china for the technology needed to gather the anti matter, or will china pay the USA for the technology for the engine, or will both people pay india for the software needed?
If we are gods children why do christians also believe god only had one son.
religion lol
What do you expect?
When IE comes with the OS why download a browser?
People always complainn about the failures in the Linux community, however the percentage of success in the linux community is greater than the Windows community.
You see, in all industries most businesses fail, in the technology industry most businesses have failed, all the dot coms that went down, all the software companies that Microsoft put out of businessl, you honestly think Linux companies are abnormal because most of them are inn the red? Most companies period are in the red.
Then mozilla on linux will be as fast as IE on windows.
ITs a proven fact.
Remember before IE was connected with Windows in 98 how slow and buggy it was? No one used IE3.0. IE 3.0 was absolute crap.
IE4.0 however was where things started changing, they tied it into Windows98, in 5.0 they tied it into WindowsME, Windows2k etc, now IE 6.0 or 7.0 is tied into the new OS's.
Run IE on Windows95 and see for yourself. Its as slow as Mozilla
IE only got fast after it became a part of the OS.