Instead of apple porting OSX to x86, it would be better for users of Linux to improve the Desktop on Linux until its as good and eventually better than OSX.
And really in my opinion, people dont care what OS is used to click on their mozilla ICON and browse the web, check their email, and look at stock quotes.
Will people notice they arent in windows? Nope i doubt it, the only thing they will notice is lack of Microsoft logos.
Honestly the OS doesnt matter when it comes to what peoeple want to learn, what they know and dont know, what matters is the applications they are using. IF the applications are the same or similar, people wont know the diffrence. The people who know Windows well enough to know the diffrence are also the type of people to learn Linux
Thats as simple as it can get. On your VCR do people care what OS it uses? Hell no. On your video game system do you care about the OS? Hell no.
Do you care about the OS on any of your electronics? Hell no. Computer makers start putting Linux on all computers and people will use it, they will learn the linux system well enough to use it, which would take most people 5 minutes because its not really that difficult.
And it only gives people more reason to think Linux is a joke and not useful for anything. Afterall unless something absolutely rules in a specific area its worthless.
Linux doesnt rule the Server market, but its competitingg with WindowsNT.
Linux doesnt Rule the Desktop, but in 5 years Linux will be competition for Windows.
In other countries where not everyone has a computer Linux will be very successful, in the USA Linux will get millions of people to switch from Windows.
While most people dont want to learn a new system, theres alot of people, especially younger people who dont mind learning, people who seriously use their computer for a career, and theres millions of them, also people who are just young and want to learn.
What this author is assuming is everyone who has a computer, is an old guy who just uses their computer to check their email and go on AOL.
While about 30-40 million people use AOL, 200 million people in the USA alone have computers, and maybe a billion in the world have computers or are going to get a computer soon.
Linux needs to be an alternative to Windows. It needs to be an alternative. Thats the point of Linux.
It needs to be better than Windows, Linux if its better, will be used by millions of people. Ruling the desktop is not what Linux should aim for.
In fact Linux shouldnt aim for ruling anything right now. And everyone involved with Linux shouldnt bee involved with it so it can dominate and become a monopoly. We dont need Linux to ever dominate anything, the fact that its THERE, that millions of people will use it, this is the reason.
Linux will be very successful on the Desktop, on the Server market, etc. Linux will be a better Desktop solution than Windows at some point, and when it is, people will finally have a choice, Linux or Windows on their desktop.
All Gnome is ever doing is copying other people, if its not copying KDE, its copying Microsoft, or OSX. WTF?! When are we going to develop our OWN technologies, why should anyone switch to linux, linux is known as the OS that is just as good as everything else, but not really any better.
Why copy.Net so its just as good as the Microsoft version? To keep compatibility? Why not make it better than the Microsoft version?
If I'm a developer i'd develop for the Microsoft . Net, forget Gnome.
Honestly, Gnome cant even keep up with KDE, they dont innovate enough, using.Net may give Gnome more applications than KDE, but if KDE developers a new innovative way to do what.Net does, and its BETTER than the Microsoft way, then why not use KDE?
Dont forget theres all these other GUIs too, who needs gnome? Does ximian think Gnome is the standard linux Desktop? Just because Redhat comes with Gnome? Redhat comes with KDE as well, so the point is what?
Gnome is behind KDE because of stupidness like this, fighting amoung each other on changing the internals, over and over, never really setting any standards, having wars on the email lists, I mean really, the Gnome project is as good as dead.
I've seen their mailing lists and even posted on them, I've been to their chatrooms, the people there they fight each other, and if you try to contribute they fight you. Alot of developers developing for gnome dont support open source, free softwsre, or even the GNU, in fact alot of them are pro corperate pro microsoft people and ive gotten into many arguments with these people.
Gnome corrupt from within, I dont know if its migels fault or because all these companies are sponsering Gnome, but theres not many Gnome developers who represent the Gnome user, or the open source community.
RMS alot of people dont agree with him, but he represents the community, he IS GNU, he IS open source.
Why was Gnome started in the first place? TO give KDE an official GNU competitor.
Fine but Ximian didnt say Ximian Gnome.
They said GNOME.
Ximian is not Gnome, Migel may be founder but hes not Gnome.
He cant say Gnome 4 is going to be Gnome . Net
He can say Ximian Gnome 4 is going to be Gnomee . Net and perhaps thats what he should have said.
While people can use.Net, why clone.Net? Why not make something better than.Net?
The fact that they are cloning it is suspicious because it makes me think they want it to be 100 percent compatible with Microsoft.Net.
Linux users dont care about compatibility, in fact having our own.net would help us more than having Microsoft compatible.Net
It would be fine if we just took the technology and made our own better version, but we arent taking the technology, it looks like Migel wants to copy.Net bug for bug, mistsake for mistake.
To have a strong economy. To have capitalism. Etc.
In the past, only maybe a few hundred years ago, there were no big corperations, everyone had houses however, and jobs, in fact everyones job was alot more valueable.
A doctor was a doctor, a lawyer was a lawyer, etc.
Less people were rich, and greedy, but these arent really vital for survival.
I'll protest to destroy big corperations, who needs them? However people must still work, I'd prefer everyone work together, than everyone compete.
Corperations compete, however a group of scientists could easily come together and do the same work in their spare time. Its been proven.
Its impossible for anyone to compete with Microsoft, so lets all stop innovating and give up.
STUPID!! This isnt about Microsoft and taking the desktop from them, this is about giving the Desktop to Linux users who want a nicer Desktop OS than Microsoft.
Its not about Marketshare, its not about money, its about having a better product than the standard, a good alternative, CHOICE.
As far as KDE, and Gnome, its not so much about marketshare, its about giving Linux a desktop GUI for people who want ease of use. If this ends up being people in Tokyo Japan, China, Africa, Korea, Mexico, and everywhere but the Microsoft controlled dead Desktop Market in the USA, so be it.
You all seem to forget, just because theres no market for KDE in the USA doesnt mean there isnt one internationally.
The Desktop Market internationally is bigger than the settop box / PDA market in the USA.
The Choice of KDE is to target the markets outside of the USA
Well Starcraft is alittle slow right now but they just completed optimization for 2d and it should be 100 percent normal speed in the next release.
Sound is also not 100 percent, it literally was in slow motion.
While games arent optimized, I believe they can get to about 80-90 percent of the Windows version and in some case run better than the windows version.
Right now we need to make a choice, do you want slightly slower but working games in linux, or no games in linux?
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Actually, PCs werent designed for games so lets all head back to the consoles
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Or you can try WineX, never crashed on me
Some people want to use ONE OS all the time
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Its not about being a fanatic.
Do you want to have to use Internet Explorer for certain sites and Mozilla for others?
Well then.
Whats wrong with improving the gaming experience on Linux? Its bad and Windows is better right now, but some people dont have the money to buy Windows, dont want to buy a $200 program to play games when paying transgaming $5 a month will get their games working.
Your choice, $200, or $5 x 12 = 60
$60, or $200, the choice says Linux is lighter on the wallet.
Go play a Gamecube for your games, a PC wasnt designed for Games.
Stupid little man, Some people want to play Games on their PCs, some people dont want to pay $200 to install an insecure Operating System called Windows just so they can play the occassional Game.
Now all these people who refused to sign up to transgaming have no excuse and now its official,.
The only way we will get games working in Linux right now, is to support transgaming.
Loki tried but their idea just wasnt profitable.
Everyone who wants games in linux will sign up to transgaming, everyone who doesnt sign up to transgaming doesnt want games in Linux. Its really that simple.
I challenge you to point each and every one of them out.
AOL has never put any company that I know of out of business, So tell me about these dirty practices that puts them on level of Microsoft?
Oh right they have a monopoly.
They actually earned their monopoly as far as I know, They do offer good products, AOLIM, Mozilla, Winamp, ICQ and although they didnt make these products if not for AOL they wouldnt have funding to keep exsisting after the.com burnout.
AOL is big yes, and all big companies are threatening, but do you really want to compare them to Microsoft?
Time Warner on the other hand, well they are control freaks.(DCMA,SSSCA,MPAA)
AOL from what I've seen has been a fairly honest company, They advertise and sell a service which people pay for, then they fund applications which people like in response using the money generated so they may provide a better service.
Microsoft would leverage their OS to sell their products, I dont see AOL selling its products by forcing all who have cable TV to subscribe to AOL.
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Instead of apple porting OSX to x86, it would be better for users of Linux to improve the Desktop on Linux until its as good and eventually better than OSX.
And really in my opinion, people dont care what OS is used to click on their mozilla ICON and browse the web, check their email, and look at stock quotes.
Will people notice they arent in windows? Nope i doubt it, the only thing they will notice is lack of Microsoft logos.
Honestly the OS doesnt matter when it comes to what peoeple want to learn, what they know and dont know, what matters is the applications they are using. IF the applications are the same or similar, people wont know the diffrence. The people who know Windows well enough to know the diffrence are also the type of people to learn Linux
Thats as simple as it can get. On your VCR do people care what OS it uses? Hell no. On your video game system do you care about the OS? Hell no.
Do you care about the OS on any of your electronics? Hell no. Computer makers start putting Linux on all computers and people will use it, they will learn the linux system well enough to use it, which would take most people 5 minutes because its not really that difficult.
And it only gives people more reason to think Linux is a joke and not useful for anything. Afterall unless something absolutely rules in a specific area its worthless.
Linux doesnt rule the Server market, but its competitingg with WindowsNT.
Linux doesnt Rule the Desktop, but in 5 years Linux will be competition for Windows.
In other countries where not everyone has a computer Linux will be very successful, in the USA Linux will get millions of people to switch from Windows.
While most people dont want to learn a new system, theres alot of people, especially younger people who dont mind learning, people who seriously use their computer for a career, and theres millions of them, also people who are just young and want to learn.
What this author is assuming is everyone who has a computer, is an old guy who just uses their computer to check their email and go on AOL.
While about 30-40 million people use AOL, 200 million people in the USA alone have computers, and maybe a billion in the world have computers or are going to get a computer soon.
This means the market is underestimated by far.
Linux needs to be an alternative to Windows. It needs to be an alternative. Thats the point of Linux.
It needs to be better than Windows, Linux if its better, will be used by millions of people. Ruling the desktop is not what Linux should aim for.
In fact Linux shouldnt aim for ruling anything right now. And everyone involved with Linux shouldnt bee involved with it so it can dominate and become a monopoly. We dont need Linux to ever dominate anything, the fact that its THERE, that millions of people will use it, this is the reason.
Linux will be very successful on the Desktop, on the Server market, etc. Linux will be a better Desktop solution than Windows at some point, and when it is, people will finally have a choice, Linux or Windows on their desktop.
We want to give choice. Not rule the world.
Why do we need a Microsoft compatible
All Gnome is ever doing is copying other people, if its not copying KDE, its copying Microsoft, or OSX. WTF?! When are we going to develop our OWN technologies, why should anyone switch to linux, linux is known as the OS that is just as good as everything else, but not really any better.
Why copy
If I'm a developer i'd develop for the Microsoft . Net, forget Gnome.
Honestly, Gnome cant even keep up with KDE, they dont innovate enough, using
Dont forget theres all these other GUIs too, who needs gnome? Does ximian think Gnome is the standard linux Desktop? Just because Redhat comes with Gnome? Redhat comes with KDE as well, so the point is what?
Gnome is behind KDE because of stupidness like this, fighting amoung each other on changing the internals, over and over, never really setting any standards, having wars on the email lists, I mean really, the Gnome project is as good as dead.
I've seen their mailing lists and even posted on them, I've been to their chatrooms, the people there they fight each other, and if you try to contribute they fight you. Alot of developers developing for gnome dont support open source, free softwsre, or even the GNU, in fact alot of them are pro corperate pro microsoft people and ive gotten into many arguments with these people.
Gnome corrupt from within, I dont know if its migels fault or because all these companies are sponsering Gnome, but theres not many Gnome developers who represent the Gnome user, or the open source community.
RMS alot of people dont agree with him, but he represents the community, he IS GNU, he IS open source.
Why was Gnome started in the first place? TO give KDE an official GNU competitor.
The GNU in Gnome is dead right now.
This is a big mistake
Why does migel want to copy
Why isnt he focused on making something better than
Perhaps next we will hear, "Microsoft backs Gnome" or "Microsoft buys Ximian"
I bet thats his goal.
Fine but Ximian didnt say Ximian Gnome.
They said GNOME.
Ximian is not Gnome, Migel may be founder but hes not Gnome.
He cant say Gnome 4 is going to be Gnome . Net
He can say Ximian Gnome 4 is going to be Gnomee . Net and perhaps thats what he should have said.
While people can use
The fact that they are cloning it is suspicious because it makes me think they want it to be 100 percent compatible with Microsoft.Net.
Linux users dont care about compatibility, in fact having our own
It would be fine if we just took the technology and made our own better version, but we arent taking the technology, it looks like Migel wants to copy
Ximian Gnome based on
and GNU Gnome.
Gnome is slowly selling out, we need a fork right about now.
Blending stops change? Ok i assume hes talking about races mixing? However our race has nothing to do with how evolved a person is, thats just silly.
Second, to even think that humans are the most evolved lifeform that can ever exsist, thats pure ignorance.
That whole article is BS
To have a strong economy. To have capitalism. Etc.
In the past, only maybe a few hundred years ago, there were no big corperations, everyone had houses however, and jobs, in fact everyones job was alot more valueable.
A doctor was a doctor, a lawyer was a lawyer, etc.
Less people were rich, and greedy, but these arent really vital for survival.
I'll protest to destroy big corperations, who needs them? However people must still work, I'd prefer everyone work together, than everyone compete.
Corperations compete, however a group of scientists could easily come together and do the same work in their spare time. Its been proven.
I dont think it will be implants that will be used.
I do think people will wear robotic suits and gear however.
As far as robots taking over, Robots are created by us, its no diffrent than any other technology, there will always be people who wont support it.
As far as terrorism, you wont stop terrorism with defense forever, we have to stop giving people reasons to hate us to stop terrorism.
And the enviornment? If anyone cared about the enviornmnt we wouldnt still be using oil from companies like Enron.
Why do scientists always bring up problems but never bring up the solutions?
How else can people store HDTV or full quality DVD movies, games, full quality music cds,
think about it.
A mathmathician or doctor will call you stupid if you cant handle advanced problems or do brain surgery.
We, are in the computer field which ranks up there, and someone from another field isnt going to be able to handle compiling source code.
Its impossible for anyone to compete with Microsoft, so lets all stop innovating and give up.
STUPID!! This isnt about Microsoft and taking the desktop from them, this is about giving the Desktop to Linux users who want a nicer Desktop OS than Microsoft.
Its not about Marketshare, its not about money, its about having a better product than the standard, a good alternative, CHOICE.
As far as KDE, and Gnome, its not so much about marketshare, its about giving Linux a desktop GUI for people who want ease of use. If this ends up being people in Tokyo Japan, China, Africa, Korea, Mexico, and everywhere but the Microsoft controlled dead Desktop Market in the USA, so be it.
You all seem to forget, just because theres no market for KDE in the USA doesnt mean there isnt one internationally.
The Desktop Market internationally is bigger than the settop box / PDA market in the USA.
The Choice of KDE is to target the markets outside of the USA
Well Starcraft is alittle slow right now but they just completed optimization for 2d and it should be 100 percent normal speed in the next release.
Sound is also not 100 percent, it literally was in slow motion.
While games arent optimized, I believe they can get to about 80-90 percent of the Windows version and in some case run better than the windows version.
Right now we need to make a choice, do you want slightly slower but working games in linux, or no games in linux?
Actually, PCs werent designed for games so lets all head back to the consoles
Or you can try WineX, never crashed on me
Its not about being a fanatic.
Do you want to have to use Internet Explorer for certain sites and Mozilla for others?
Well then.
Whats wrong with improving the gaming experience on Linux? Its bad and Windows is better right now, but some people dont have the money to buy Windows, dont want to buy a $200 program to play games when paying transgaming $5 a month will get their games working.
Your choice, $200, or $5 x 12 = 60
$60, or $200, the choice says Linux is lighter on the wallet.
Right, Thats how you sound.
Go play a Gamecube for your games, a PC wasnt designed for Games.
Stupid little man, Some people want to play Games on their PCs, some people dont want to pay $200 to install an insecure Operating System called Windows just so they can play the occassional Game.
Some people want to play games in Linux.
Some Windows users want to run servers.
Some Console owners want to surf the web.
Now all these people who refused to sign up to transgaming have no excuse and now its official,.
The only way we will get games working in Linux right now, is to support transgaming.
Loki tried but their idea just wasnt profitable.
Everyone who wants games in linux will sign up to transgaming, everyone who doesnt sign up to transgaming doesnt want games in Linux. Its really that simple.
For all who want to sign up TransGaming
As of right now you officially have no choice. Its transgaming, or no games in linux. Make your time.
Transgaming
I challenge you to point each and every one of them out.
AOL has never put any company that I know of out of business, So tell me about these dirty practices that puts them on level of Microsoft?
Oh right they have a monopoly.
They actually earned their monopoly as far as I know, They do offer good products, AOLIM, Mozilla, Winamp, ICQ and although they didnt make these products if not for AOL they wouldnt have funding to keep exsisting after the
AOL is big yes, and all big companies are threatening, but do you really want to compare them to Microsoft?
Time Warner on the other hand, well they are control freaks.(DCMA,SSSCA,MPAA)
AOL from what I've seen has been a fairly honest company, They advertise and sell a service which people pay for, then they fund applications which people like in response using the money generated so they may provide a better service.
Microsoft would leverage their OS to sell their products, I dont see AOL selling its products by forcing all who have cable TV to subscribe to AOL.
Aol Cox and most of the other big time talent will go somewhere else, all the real linux supporters will support another company.
Its not a big deal because theres nothing for us to lose, Redhat isnt the only company.
That after the merger AOL Time Warner seems to be backing out of that stuff?
AOL does have alot of influence, they are connected with time warner, but theres 2 groups, the AOL group and the Time Warner group.
I'm guessing the AOL group wants Redhat.
Whats the worse than can happen?