Open Source is bad, I hope Bill Gates stops it.
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Hopefully Bill Gates will get to each and every one of these managers first before you do. So what? IBM embraces it, well Microsoft hates it, along with Apple, Intel, AMD, and almost 100% of all computer and video game companies.
Open Source is bad and it should be made illegal, when Bill Gates runs for president and wins I hope the first thing he does before he puts every one of you programmers in jail for treason is to outlaw open source and sue anyone who uses the code.
The GPL and Open Source are a cancer.
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These evil communist souless robots write code in an attempt to destroy the US economy and ruin the tech industry. Its because of the open source movement that Microsoft is forced to hire programmers in India.
You open source robots know what open source is, Open Source is a cancer which will eat up companies like pacman and make the US into a socialist communist Soviet style place.
Pay SCO and give them back the code they rightfully own, this will make it easier for Microsoft to buy SCO and own Linux, then the source can be closed once and for all and security and stability can be saved.
Shared Source is better than open source.
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Shared source protects national security, it prevents communists, hackers, terrorists and other radicals from accessing source code which could decrease the security of not only our nation but also destroy the economy.
Its easier to write a virus for software thats open source than it is for closed source software, There is even some indications that due to WindowsXP, PCs are more secure on average. eweek report
So as you see, Windows and closed source OS's are more secure.
Also Iraq has WMDs, we have pictures, satelite photographs, spies, electronic wiretaps, taps on their email, and viruses in their Linux servers which special forces agents pretending to be Open Source Zealots installed. According to all the proof, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, our satelites did not detect that Iraq moved or destroyed these weapons so we went to war to force them to do so, and now the weapons have been found.
You'll get an announcement around the time of the next presidential election.
AntiTrust is the worst movie since the Matrix.
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Anti Trust had no plot, the hacking wasnt even real, most hackers use Windows. Also Microsoft, I'm assuming this is who the movie wanted to imply it was about, is one of the most honest corperations on the face of the earth, they support affirmative action and have donated millions of computers running billions of dollars worth of the best most well known software.
Bill Gates also gives scholarships, gives money to India, Africa, China, Europe, this man should be knighted.
Open Source is bad for the economy.
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Why do you think Microsoft wont hire Americans anymore? I know, because stupid open source robots are willinng to code for free!! Why hire anyone when Microsoft can just take the open source code, use it in their closed source products, and no one would ever know because no one sees the code!
By replacing banner ads with video ads, a company could then send millions of emails to slashdot users such as fruey with real video advertisements, even better a website such a slashdot could actually make a profit for the first time every by adding high quality video ads and charging about the price of a superbowl ad.
Microsoft should take this and make it easier to use, and release a new proprietary browser, or perhaps enhance internet explorer and pack it inside Windows Longhorn. Lets not forget a patent would be needed to prevent Apple and Communists from hiijacking this new promising technology.
Microsoft will hopefully patent this before the open source world gets a hold of this. We need more proprietary standards to increase national security. The last thing we want to do is have the Chinese and terrorists have access to our source code and to our internet.
The soviet union is attempting to destroy our economy by giving everything away for free, I mean why work hard when you can get everything free, free music, free software, free wifi internet access, next you'll see our government being pressured to give free healthcare, and food stamps away.
Nothing is free, people should earn everything they have or die.
You dont go to the old folks home and teach grandma to use Linux first. What you do is you teach her grand daughter in college to use Linux, you know the one going to Stanford. You teach the college students Linux first, showing them how it benefits them such as not having worry about crashing, no more losing their work, no fear of viruses, more difficult for hackers to steal all their information.
You see, college students are critical thinkers, they do or use whats best to accomplish their goals, they work hard, and they study, these people are the ones you want to Introduce to Linux, you do not introduce Linux to lazy people.
Look I love linux. Its a superior OS and its free. Its hard to beat that. That is for anyone who really knows anything about computers. You see most people hardly know how to use a mouse and consequently those people will never use linux. It all boils down to this. For the average user (idiot) Windows is the superior operating system.
People havent had the choice before, how do you know Windows is superior? It certainly doesnt have any superior features, its no longer easier to use than Linux, in fact XP is harder to use than KDE, the only thing Windows has going for it is polish and ease of software updates/installation.
Yes I actualy said that. The average person doesnt care about security or even performance and they obviously dont mind when there computer crashes at least once a week.
Oh yes they do! The average college student who loses their work after spending days writing a 20 page paper, certain does hate crashes. The college student who gets infected by a virus right before their paper is due, right around the end of the year, or at mid terms does care. A person who is at college and I'm not talking about the lazy dumb kids, but the somewhat intelligent people, dont want hackers stealing their credit information, or people to get passwords to all their stuff. Do you realize how easy it is to install a keylogger on some roomates windows PC and get all their information? Hell you could put a keylogger on the computer labs computers and get all the information that way, people do want security when they use their parents credit card numbers online. People want their AIM passwords to be somewhat secure, they dont want it to be hiijacked by a hacker.
Of course most people are convinced theres nothing they can do about it, virus scanners dont work, yet I see every so called lazy dumb windows user running a virus scanner, I also see alot of them r unning software firewalls like zone alarm, so if you tell people arent worried about this stuff you are wrong.
To them it doesnt matter. What does matter to them is not having to think and Windows (and Microsoft in general) does that better than anyone.
When was the last time you used KDE? When was the last time you used OSX? Windows XP is harder to use than both. I'm on XP right now and I'm telling you XP is slower, has more useless icons all over the place, and is less organized. XP is not easier to use than Windows 98, Windows 98 is not easier to use than Windows 95, so if all of these so called easy to use OS interfaces are just Windows95 with a new color scheme and layout, why cant Linux do it?
Try KDE before you say Linux is hard to use, its point and click just like Windows.
Face it using Windows takes absolutely no knowledge what so ever of anything except how to breath and move your fingers. Linux on the other hand takes quite a bit of know how and general computing knowledge.
Oh I'm sure you need to know C just to point and click around KDE, please tell me why anyone would need to know linux very well to do anything while using Lindows? Everything in Lindows is point and click, the install is easier than any other OS, even easier to install than WindowsXP.
Even when using one of the desktop Gui's that usualy come with any linux build you still have to know how to set it up and some things are
Thats not true, Millions of people pirated Dreamcast games and PSX games, MILLIONS, and most of these so called hardcore gamers didnt mod these systems themselves, in fact most of these people dont even know how to operate a computer because these guys are gamers, not programmers.
So yes you'd be marketing to a crowd who is open minded to new technology, but I dont think they already know about Linux unless they are the ones modding and cracking the software themselves, most who run a modded system arent.
Linux on Ps2 if its official should be included with the Sony harddrive.
First, we can make Linux look like the computers in their room, check out Lycoris Linux http://www.lycoris.com/
See it looks like Windows. What you dont understand(I am a college student), is that college students dont care how it looks, they care how it functions, if the function is close enough to Windows they wont even notice the differences.
Lindows with ClickNRun functions just like Windows, installing programs is easy, etc, perhaps if we set up a Linux distro which made applications easy to install, had Lycoris/Lindows style functionality, and which had a word processor, browser, etc included, I think college students wouldnt care.
I have proof, WindowsXP doesnt look anything like Windows98, so why are all the college students using XP now? What about the fact that alot of college students use the Ibook with OSX? Its not the look, its the functionality, when Linux functions as well as Windows, the problem will be solved.
Currently Linux is 99% as functional as Windows, missing only polish and ease of software installation.
Knoppix is mature yes, but the problem with Knoppix is that its difficult to install software, until theres a clickNrun type feature people wont want to replace Windows with it, also the file structure should be like windows, a C: drive etc, to cover up the true Linux file structure, hell we might even be able to make it even easier than Windows by instead of using letters just using symbols/labels, or going the way of mac.
College students are our most intelligent and open minded sector of the population, if anyone is going to try Linux it will be them, also because these people already are trying Apple laptops and are amoung the first to switch to XP, we can convince them to switch to Linux instead of Longhorn when the time comes for their next upgrade by simply saying Lindows is the best upgrade to WindowsXP, Microsoft used this tactic to trick 98 users into upgrading into a new OS that wasnt even 100% backard compatible, hell even a new file system was involved so most people cant even access their old files.
I think if Microsoft could make people use an UGLY weird version of Windows, we can make people use Linux.
Heres an Idea, how about we market a Linux distro specifically for gamers?
Perhaps something like you mention, counterstrike, quake3, or other games, run some tests, see if we can get these games running at a higher frame rate than the Windows versions, and market it that way.
uh no, most people have CD burners, for the ones who dont, I'll show them in person.
My point is this makes it much much easier to convert Windows users to Linux, I remember when it would take weeks of debating with them to get them to even try Mandrake.
Knoppix is good, but we need some live CDs based on Redhat. We need Redhat Linux because its the most stable and easiest to use. If I am going to introduce someone to Linux, the options would be Mandrake, Redhat, Lindows, but never Debian or Slackware.
But until the Redhat/Mandrake live CD promotion kit is released, I will use Knoppix.
The goal is to build mindshare, you cannot get people to try Linux on their mission critical desktop PCs unless they trust you, truely trust you.
You can however get a stranger to run a CD on their gaming console, people dont have to trust you for that. The goal is to get the average person to know Linux exists, once they know it exists then you can market Linux to these peoples PCs.
Actually I'd do it in this order, consoles, college campuses(laptops), computer labs, and finally desktop PCs.
People after they see others running it on their laptops in class will get jealous and be more likely to try it, people dont mind experimenting on a laptop, most laptop users are the only ones using the laptop, a desktop PC however is mission critical, their whole family might use it, they may not trust you enough to even investigate Linux.
Like I said start small and build up to critical mass before you market it to Desktops.
Although it could indeed work, It worked for AOL, I'd prefer a grass roots movement occur in the same manner people convinced management to use Linux as a server, people have to now convince the average person to use Linux on the desktop.
Once Linux is competitive in all markets, can we finally be happy, when I can buy a PC and the vendor asks "Would you like Linux or Windows on your PC?" Then I will be satisfied.
Why cant we try to use Wine or something like it to trick the Xbox into running the Microsoft gaming live software from withinn Linux?
Second, if its done right people might use Xbox Linux, if its useful, it depends on how its done. Overall though I'd use it to promote Linux, as a marketing technique.
Linux needs marketing, so that when the time comes a year or two from now, when Longhorn is released, Linux can take the market or at least be competitive, people have to actually know what Linux is though, as of right now people either dont know what it is, or they believe a bunch of myths about it being a hackerOS.
These new live CDs finally give us the chance to introduce Linux to the masses. Recently I emailed dozens of my friends, and I will attempt to introduce them to Linux in a way thats safe, with these new CDs you dont have to actually install Linux, It also gives us the ability to introduce Linux to the gamers. So the question here is how many of you people have actually used this to show people Linux? I wish we had a Redhat live-CD, or Mandrake because those are my favorite brand, but a Lindows promotion CD(Thats what I will start calling these CDs) should be given away in stores and to college students.
How about a grass roots program? I plan to do something like that. I hope through these new live-CDs that it can act as a type of marketing where people who are interested in Linux can try it without actually installing it. The easy way to get them to try it is to give it to them for their Xbox game console, a Console with no OS such as the Xbox would actually be perfect for the gamer who wants to do more than just play games on their Xbox. I also wonder if something like this could be brought to work or run on computer labs in college campuses, I havent tried it so I dont know. But yes, I have ideas for marketing.
People are going to read this and think i'm some kinda Linux zealot, but the truth is the best thing we can do for the computer industry right now is create competition, Linux is competition, competition fuels growth.
So all who are with me, please post a reply/response about how you plan to actually use these live CDs for marketing purposes, perhaps it would be wise to put these live CDs in some videogame magazine if possible, or even get Linux to run on the PS2.
Thats exactly why we have a grading systme so those who are dumb fail.
Everyone knows whats at stake, if you were in the military and the enemy told all the women in town to strip naked, if you were stupid enough to be distracted you deserve to get shot.
If you dont use the tools thats the ADULTs fault not the schools or the teachers, some people want an A and some dont. In college its not the teachers job to babysit and try to force students to pay attention, each student is paying money to pay attention, if they are dumb enough to waste their money let them take class again.
If the teacher cant give an interesting lecture the teacher shouldnt expect everyones attention, however if people dont pay attention and they get a bad grade the students shouldnt blame anyone but themselves.
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Hopefully Bill Gates will get to each and every one of these managers first before you do. So what? IBM embraces it, well Microsoft hates it, along with Apple, Intel, AMD, and almost 100% of all computer and video game companies.
Open Source is bad and it should be made illegal, when Bill Gates runs for president and wins I hope the first thing he does before he puts every one of you programmers in jail for treason is to outlaw open source and sue anyone who uses the code.
These evil communist souless robots write code in an attempt to destroy the US economy and ruin the tech industry. Its because of the open source movement that Microsoft is forced to hire programmers in India.
You open source robots know what open source is, Open Source is a cancer which will eat up companies like pacman and make the US into a socialist communist Soviet style place.
Pay SCO and give them back the code they rightfully own, this will make it easier for Microsoft to buy SCO and own Linux, then the source can be closed once and for all and security and stability can be saved.
Shared source protects national security, it prevents communists, hackers, terrorists and other radicals from accessing source code which could decrease the security of not only our nation but also destroy the economy.
Its easier to write a virus for software thats open source than it is for closed source software, There is even some indications that due to WindowsXP, PCs are more secure on average. eweek report
So as you see, Windows and closed source OS's are more secure.
Also Iraq has WMDs, we have pictures, satelite photographs, spies, electronic wiretaps, taps on their email, and viruses in their Linux servers which special forces agents pretending to be Open Source Zealots installed. According to all the proof, Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, our satelites did not detect that Iraq moved or destroyed these weapons so we went to war to force them to do so, and now the weapons have been found.
You'll get an announcement around the time of the next presidential election.
Anti Trust had no plot, the hacking wasnt even real, most hackers use Windows. Also Microsoft, I'm assuming this is who the movie wanted to imply it was about, is one of the most honest corperations on the face of the earth, they support affirmative action and have donated millions of computers running billions of dollars worth of the best most well known software.
Bill Gates also gives scholarships, gives money to India, Africa, China, Europe, this man should be knighted.
Why do you think Microsoft wont hire Americans anymore? I know, because stupid open source robots are willinng to code for free!! Why hire anyone when Microsoft can just take the open source code, use it in their closed source products, and no one would ever know because no one sees the code!
By replacing banner ads with video ads, a company could then send millions of emails to slashdot users such as fruey with real video advertisements, even better a website such a slashdot could actually make a profit for the first time every by adding high quality video ads and charging about the price of a superbowl ad.
Microsoft should take this and make it easier to use, and release a new proprietary browser, or perhaps enhance internet explorer and pack it inside Windows Longhorn. Lets not forget a patent would be needed to prevent Apple and Communists from hiijacking this new promising technology.
Microsoft will hopefully patent this before the open source world gets a hold of this. We need more proprietary standards to increase national security. The last thing we want to do is have the Chinese and terrorists have access to our source code and to our internet.
The soviet union is attempting to destroy our economy by giving everything away for free, I mean why work hard when you can get everything free, free music, free software, free wifi internet access, next you'll see our government being pressured to give free healthcare, and food stamps away.
Nothing is free, people should earn everything they have or die.
Microsoft should buy Netflix and then prevent Linux users and Apple owners from using it.
Microsoft could use Netflix to profit while adding DRM to prevent evil criminal pirates and thieves from destroying our wonderful economy.
This may also stop the Linux Communists from ruining Capitalism
You dont go to the old folks home and teach grandma to use Linux first. What you do is you teach her grand daughter in college to use Linux, you know the one going to Stanford. You teach the college students Linux first, showing them how it benefits them such as not having worry about crashing, no more losing their work, no fear of viruses, more difficult for hackers to steal all their information.
You see, college students are critical thinkers, they do or use whats best to accomplish their goals, they work hard, and they study, these people are the ones you want to Introduce to Linux, you do not introduce Linux to lazy people.
Look I love linux. Its a superior OS and its free. Its hard to beat that. That is for anyone who really knows anything about computers. You see most people hardly know how to use a mouse and consequently those people will never use linux. It all boils down to this. For the average user (idiot) Windows is the superior operating system.
People havent had the choice before, how do you know Windows is superior? It certainly doesnt have any superior features, its no longer easier to use than Linux, in fact XP is harder to use than KDE, the only thing Windows has going for it is polish and ease of software updates/installation.
Yes I actualy said that. The average person doesnt care about security or even performance and they obviously dont mind when there computer crashes at least once a week.
Oh yes they do! The average college student who loses their work after spending days writing a 20 page paper, certain does hate crashes. The college student who gets infected by a virus right before their paper is due, right around the end of the year, or at mid terms does care. A person who is at college and I'm not talking about the lazy dumb kids, but the somewhat intelligent people, dont want hackers stealing their credit information, or people to get passwords to all their stuff. Do you realize how easy it is to install a keylogger on some roomates windows PC and get all their information? Hell you could put a keylogger on the computer labs computers and get all the information that way, people do want security when they use their parents credit card numbers online. People want their AIM passwords to be somewhat secure, they dont want it to be hiijacked by a hacker.
Of course most people are convinced theres nothing they can do about it, virus scanners dont work, yet I see every so called lazy dumb windows user running a virus scanner, I also see alot of them r unning software firewalls like zone alarm, so if you tell people arent worried about this stuff you are wrong.
To them it doesnt matter. What does matter to them is not having to think and Windows (and Microsoft in general) does that better than anyone.
When was the last time you used KDE? When was the last time you used OSX? Windows XP is harder to use than both. I'm on XP right now and I'm telling you XP is slower, has more useless icons all over the place, and is less organized. XP is not easier to use than Windows 98, Windows 98 is not easier to use than Windows 95, so if all of these so called easy to use OS interfaces are just Windows95 with a new color scheme and layout, why cant Linux do it?
Try KDE before you say Linux is hard to use, its point and click just like Windows.
Face it using Windows takes absolutely no knowledge what so ever of anything except how to breath and move your fingers. Linux on the other hand takes quite a bit of know how and general computing knowledge.
Oh I'm sure you need to know C just to point and click around KDE, please tell me why anyone would need to know linux very well to do anything while using Lindows? Everything in Lindows is point and click, the install is easier than any other OS, even easier to install than WindowsXP.
Even when using one of the desktop Gui's that usualy come with any linux build you still have to know how to set it up and some things are
Thats not true, Millions of people pirated Dreamcast games and PSX games, MILLIONS, and most of these so called hardcore gamers didnt mod these systems themselves, in fact most of these people dont even know how to operate a computer because these guys are gamers, not programmers.
So yes you'd be marketing to a crowd who is open minded to new technology, but I dont think they already know about Linux unless they are the ones modding and cracking the software themselves, most who run a modded system arent.
Linux on Ps2 if its official should be included with the Sony harddrive.
First, we can make Linux look like the computers in their room, check out Lycoris Linux http://www.lycoris.com/
See it looks like Windows. What you dont understand(I am a college student), is that college students dont care how it looks, they care how it functions, if the function is close enough to Windows they wont even notice the differences.
Lindows with ClickNRun functions just like Windows, installing programs is easy, etc, perhaps if we set up a Linux distro which made applications easy to install, had Lycoris/Lindows style functionality, and which had a word processor, browser, etc included, I think college students wouldnt care.
I have proof, WindowsXP doesnt look anything like Windows98, so why are all the college students using XP now? What about the fact that alot of college students use the Ibook with OSX? Its not the look, its the functionality, when Linux functions as well as Windows, the problem will be solved.
Currently Linux is 99% as functional as Windows, missing only polish and ease of software installation.
Knoppix is mature yes, but the problem with Knoppix is that its difficult to install software, until theres a clickNrun type feature people wont want to replace Windows with it, also the file structure should be like windows, a C: drive etc, to cover up the true Linux file structure, hell we might even be able to make it even easier than Windows by instead of using letters just using symbols/labels, or going the way of mac.
College students are our most intelligent and open minded sector of the population, if anyone is going to try Linux it will be them, also because these people already are trying Apple laptops and are amoung the first to switch to XP, we can convince them to switch to Linux instead of Longhorn when the time comes for their next upgrade by simply saying Lindows is the best upgrade to WindowsXP, Microsoft used this tactic to trick 98 users into upgrading into a new OS that wasnt even 100% backard compatible, hell even a new file system was involved so most people cant even access their old files.
I think if Microsoft could make people use an UGLY weird version of Windows, we can make people use Linux.
Heres an Idea, how about we market a Linux distro specifically for gamers?
Perhaps something like you mention, counterstrike, quake3, or other games, run some tests, see if we can get these games running at a higher frame rate than the Windows versions, and market it that way.
uh no, most people have CD burners, for the ones who dont, I'll show them in person.
My point is this makes it much much easier to convert Windows users to Linux, I remember when it would take weeks of debating with them to get them to even try Mandrake.
Knoppix is good, but we need some live CDs based on Redhat. We need Redhat Linux because its the most stable and easiest to use. If I am going to introduce someone to Linux, the options would be Mandrake, Redhat, Lindows, but never Debian or Slackware.
But until the Redhat/Mandrake live CD promotion kit is released, I will use Knoppix.
Thats nice but I'd prefer a Redhat version. I want something easy to use and configure when I show people Linux or use it myself.
The goal is to build mindshare, you cannot get people to try Linux on their mission critical desktop PCs unless they trust you, truely trust you.
You can however get a stranger to run a CD on their gaming console, people dont have to trust you for that. The goal is to get the average person to know Linux exists, once they know it exists then you can market Linux to these peoples PCs.
Actually I'd do it in this order, consoles, college campuses(laptops), computer labs, and finally desktop PCs.
People after they see others running it on their laptops in class will get jealous and be more likely to try it, people dont mind experimenting on a laptop, most laptop users are the only ones using the laptop, a desktop PC however is mission critical, their whole family might use it, they may not trust you enough to even investigate Linux.
Like I said start small and build up to critical mass before you market it to Desktops.
Although it could indeed work, It worked for AOL, I'd prefer a grass roots movement occur in the same manner people convinced management to use Linux as a server, people have to now convince the average person to use Linux on the desktop.
Once Linux is competitive in all markets, can we finally be happy, when I can buy a PC and the vendor asks "Would you like Linux or Windows on your PC?" Then I will be satisfied.
Why would you want to modify your already configured Windows box to run Linux?
I mean choice isnt important as long as it works just use it right??RIGHT?
Why cant we try to use Wine or something like it to trick the Xbox into running the Microsoft gaming live software from withinn Linux?
Second, if its done right people might use Xbox Linux, if its useful, it depends on how its done. Overall though I'd use it to promote Linux, as a marketing technique.
Linux needs marketing, so that when the time comes a year or two from now, when Longhorn is released, Linux can take the market or at least be competitive, people have to actually know what Linux is though, as of right now people either dont know what it is, or they believe a bunch of myths about it being a hackerOS.
These new live CDs finally give us the chance to introduce Linux to the masses. Recently I emailed dozens of my friends, and I will attempt to introduce them to Linux in a way thats safe, with these new CDs you dont have to actually install Linux, It also gives us the ability to introduce Linux to the gamers. So the question here is how many of you people have actually used this to show people Linux? I wish we had a Redhat live-CD, or Mandrake because those are my favorite brand, but a Lindows promotion CD(Thats what I will start calling these CDs) should be given away in stores and to college students.
How about a grass roots program? I plan to do something like that. I hope through these new live-CDs that it can act as a type of marketing where people who are interested in Linux can try it without actually installing it. The easy way to get them to try it is to give it to them for their Xbox game console, a Console with no OS such as the Xbox would actually be perfect for the gamer who wants to do more than just play games on their Xbox. I also wonder if something like this could be brought to work or run on computer labs in college campuses, I havent tried it so I dont know. But yes, I have ideas for marketing.
People are going to read this and think i'm some kinda Linux zealot, but the truth is the best thing we can do for the computer industry right now is create competition, Linux is competition, competition fuels growth.
So all who are with me, please post a reply/response about how you plan to actually use these live CDs for marketing purposes, perhaps it would be wise to put these live CDs in some videogame magazine if possible, or even get Linux to run on the PS2.
Thats exactly why we have a grading systme so those who are dumb fail.
Everyone knows whats at stake, if you were in the military and the enemy told all the women in town to strip naked, if you were stupid enough to be distracted you deserve to get shot.
If you dont use the tools thats the ADULTs fault not the schools or the teachers, some people want an A and some dont. In college its not the teachers job to babysit and try to force students to pay attention, each student is paying money to pay attention, if they are dumb enough to waste their money let them take class again.
If the teacher cant give an interesting lecture the teacher shouldnt expect everyones attention, however if people dont pay attention and they get a bad grade the students shouldnt blame anyone but themselves.