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Innovative Uses for a Computer Classroom?

flard asks: "I will be teaching a Freshman English class at a medium sized public university, in a computer classroom for next semester. Every student has their own machine with an internet connection. I am thinking about using a weblog for them to post their work and critique each other. Do you guys have any other cool ideas on what to do and what NOT to do?" How can the computers best be applied to assist in teaching a non-technical class? Use of a weblog is a start, but are there other pieces of software that can be deployed in such a setting?

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  1. Waaay back in the 90's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Spring 1997 to be precise, I took a College Writing (English) section that was focused on online writing. Some of the things we did in class involved not actually speaking in class, but "chatting" over IRC with each other (even role playing as various internet folks and taking their views in the discussion). Personally, had blogs been as visible then as they are now, I think that would've been a great addition. Many classes have regular journals as part of their requirements anyway.

    1. Re:Waaay back in the 90's by badbrainsg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I teach literature and writing at a smallish midwestern university with a strong engineering and technical emphasis. I've used computers/email/web pages/computerized classrooms for several years.

      Currently I'm teaching technical writing in a networked classroom. The advantages are many; the disadvantages are pretty much web-surfing, game-playing and reading email.

      My university uses Blackboard, a commercial product that works very well, does a lot of different things, and is easy to use. There are other products, commercial and other, that probably work as well as Blackboard.

      My point is, see if you can't get a program that already exists to use; why reinvent the bulletin board or chatroom?

      Some of the advantages I've found:

      course materials available 24/7 without waste of trees (actually have had students rebuke me for printing and handing out hard copy)

      interactivity among students (and instructor) that can extend beyond class time.

      online exercises of various kinds that lead directly to reports.

      Do people "write better" when they use computers? Probably not. However, I'm not going to use a typewriter or pencil and paper because of the convenience of editing, revisiong, conflating files that computers make possible.

      I'd suggest you go slow in trying new things in your new teaching environment. Too many new things at once can be confusing and exhausting. And the concern some posters expressed about your students adapting to the computers is good. How much will you have to teach the students so that they can use the technology? When I began using email in classes, I had to teach them how to use Elm and WordPerfect. Now they come into class with much more knowledge.

      Anyway, good luck.

    2. Re:Waaay back in the 90's by undetrerbrucke · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Incorporating computers in an English class may give you the opportunity to examine the ways in which technology affects our thought processes and therefore our communication.

      One earlier poster said to completely disallow AOLisms. I suppose this means things like LOL or RTFM, etc. I would tend to disagree. Allowing these types of things â" in fact, encouraging them â" gives you a chance to examine them. It's a fact of life that computers are changing the way we communicate and even order our thoughts.

      These changes are very recent phenomena but they open up the discussion for other technological changes in the way we communicate. For instance, you could trace the development of different types of "literature" through various technological innovations. It may be difficult to think of oral tradition as a technological innovation (or even literature), but there were very organized methods necessary to transfer a body of knowledge from one generation to the next. When the written word came along, it began to formalize language, providing more structure to our communications and eventually ordering the way we form the thoughts in our head. When the printing press came along, we are suddenly dealing with mass-communication and all of the new rules and structures that come with it.

      These are all innovations in the long history of communication and literature, but you can take the computer, a piece of technology for which they've witnessed the development, and use it to point to and compare with these other innovations. Then, choose pieces of literature that illustrate literary concepts from each of these technological ages

      You might check out Orality & Literacy: The Technologizing of the Word by Walter J Ong. You could try Life On The Screen by Sherry Turkle. These point to ways that technology affects communication and culture.

    3. Re:Waaay back in the 90's by nkuzmik · · Score: 1
      I've been using a laptop to take notes for a few years now. I recomend using MS Word's automatic Outline Number format to keep things nice and clean.

      The other thing that I find is really helpful is when a teacher assigns a presentation, I make a power point. If you can make a good powerpoint, then you have a good understanding of the material.

    4. Re:Waaay back in the 90's by mcmonkey · · Score: 1

      That is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too sad. Dude, you took a class in "chatting" over IRC? Too bad this class completely glossed over common grammar rules, such as the use of quotes.

    5. Re:Waaay back in the 90's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I used "chatting" because I personally tend to think of chatting as a spoken conversation, not a written one. The dictionary defines chat as "to talk in an informal or familiar manner" and I don't think of talking as written. Maybe you do? Anyway, grammar was of course covered. We still had papers to write, but they were on topics related to the internet and cyberspace. Hope that's not too difficult for you to understand.

    6. Re:Waaay back in the 90's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dr. Virginia Little of Michigan did her doctoral thesis on online collaboration between students. She's actively running a 12th grade kalamazoo classroom entirely online. You might want to check out her site:
      http://coexploration.org/beatst/

    7. Re:Waaay back in the 90's by cjackson0 · · Score: 1
      Admittedly off-topic, but would that small University happen to be carry the abbreviation of UMR?

      Regardless, I attend said University and have found Blackboard to be a pretty usefull tool. Anything that can put most of your notes, homework, and other study materials in one place is certainly a good thing.

      The whole thing with networked class rooms just screams distraction and is probably just a way to help those who care, and entertain those who don't.

      It depends on the class, the students, and yourself. A little experimentation with a "wired classroom" is a step in the right direction.

    8. Re:Waaay back in the 90's by calethix · · Score: 1

      "but "chatting" over IRC with each"

      geeze, I've heard of easy classes but you actually got credit hours for chatting on IRC? :)

      p.s. when you're listing your CS related coursework on your resume, I'd leave that one off. ;)

  2. why not use slashcode ? by Sad+Loser · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    also introduces them to concept of open source, open peer review.
    As they can get at the source, they can build new functions onto it. This could be an assignment.

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    1. Re:why not use slashcode ? by sokeeffe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why not? Well for starters it's not very relevant in a non-technical course to ask your students to become programmers. Its one thing to ask them to use something like Slashcode but kinda pointless to get them into modifying it without taking away from the course itself.

    2. Re:why not use slashcode ? by SydShamino · · Score: 2, Funny

      >> As they can get at the source, they can build new functions onto it. This could be an assignment.

      I don't think your average C compiler is going to do well with Freshman English compositions.

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    3. Re:why not use slashcode ? by jimson · · Score: 1

      These are English students.......write new functions???

    4. Re:why not use slashcode ? by Mr+Smidge · · Score: 1

      As they can get at the source, they can build new functions onto it.

      Nice, but I'm sure he's teach an English class rather than computer programming..

    5. Re:why not use slashcode ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As cool as this sounds, I'm not sure too many freshmen (who happen to be taking an english class, not a CS class) at a public university would have an easy time about it.

    6. Re:why not use slashcode ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because PHPNuke is so much better (and written in PHP; slash is still living in the 80's with perl)

      Slash is a pain in the ass to install by the time you install all the drivers to get perl and slash to interface with mysql. PHPNuke does it all with a 2 minute setup/install time from a freshly installed distro.

    7. Re:why not use slashcode ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "As they can get at the source, they can build new functions onto it."

      What the fuck is wrong with you? They're english students - they're not going to be coding anything.

    8. Re:why not use slashcode ? by wo1verin3 · · Score: 1

      I run a PHPNuke site (which isn't amazing but gets a small share of dedicated users which means absolutely nothing to anyone here and wasn't the point of this post) and I can't believe you're even putting Slash in the same category as PHPNuke.....

      Slash wins out on having less exploits which is a biggy. There is just so much more functionality in slash which myself I don't need.. but look at the little things.

      WYSIWYG news posting is a biggy which can only be done in nuke and an add-on...

      Try getting PHPNuke to store 1 million user names without MySQL owning your boxen.

    9. Re:why not use slashcode ? by bloo9298 · · Score: 1

      Probably better than the C code of Freshman CS majors...

    10. Re:why not use slashcode ? by Alaster · · Score: 1

      I see this in a slightly different light than most of these replies. Using the concept of OpenSource is an interesting idea. The only difference is that instead of working with a program they would instead be working on an essay, or a paper of some sort. This approach would allow the students to get not only a critque of thier work but also some real improvements that would (in theory) produce some steller writing.

  3. Submission System by sdawara · · Score: 5, Informative

    Rohcester Institute of Technology has a online submission system that checks for
    1. Minimum assignment requirements met
    2. Plagiarism
    3. Submission/Deadline requirements

    Hope you can get that setup :) They work great here at RIT. You won't believe how effective the plagiarism avoidance solution is.

    - Santosh

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    1. Re:Submission System by jacoplane · · Score: 1

      Could anyone point to open source/commercial systems of this nature?

    2. Re:Submission System by Surak · · Score: 1

      Ok, you've got my curiosity up now. Particuarly about the plagiarism avoidance system.

      I could see how it would be possible to design to a plagiarism avoidance system using expert and/or knowledge-based systems techniques.

      Obviously you can check to make sure things are attributed properly to their sources -- this entails merely looking at the syntax of the of the quote in question and verifying that all the attribution requirements are there and cross-referencing that with the references page, verifying things like title, author, date, etc.

      No brainer there. You can verify to make sure that two students didn't submit the same paper (or close to the same paper) by doing diff checks or perhaps using the technique bantered about here in the SCO case of doing 5-line MD5 comparisons, walkign through the paper and overlapping them, etc. That makes sense.

      But with a statement that is totally unattributed in a research paper -- unless you had a MASSIVE database of possible source texts, I don't see how this would be possible or even practical.

      So I gotta know -- 1) am I on the right track as to how this thing works (this is just total guess work) and 2) how well DOES this thing work? Is there some technique I'm missing here?

      Enquiring minds want to know :)

    3. Re:Submission System by LogicX · · Score: 1

      But do they use it for anything besides physics? In the IT Department they use turnitin.com to combat plagiarism. Students submit both program code and papers there. (Along with usually submitting them to a first-class folder).

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    4. Re:Submission System by tuba_dude · · Score: 1

      depends. do you mean open source OR commercial, or OS and Commercial? If its OR, then turnitin.com is reasonably priced and seems to have a good feature set (I haven't seen any false-positives flagged yet). However, I have yet to see any OS solutions. Interesting coincidence tho. I thought about asking this same question when I found out my sister was required to submit all her English papers to them before she could get any credit, in her 10th grade class no less. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Plagarism detection for a 5 page paper, when the district is still getting abnormally high drop-out rates and abysmally low standardized test scores? Oh well, who am I to argue with those that show me the way?

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    5. Re:Submission System by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 1

      First, way to spell the name of our school, jackass ;)

      Yeah we also got this weak-ass system for checking all the CS projects, cheat checking, submission timing, and minimum effort requirements.

      The problem with the system they use ( aptly called 'try' ) is that when it checks for your minimum requirements, it will tell you that something is wrong, ("Your program has failed test 1!!!" ), not exactly what is wrong.

      Oh yeah, and if you can't make minumum submission by the set date, you fail the class.

    6. Re:Submission System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      w00t LogicX has much storage of pr0n and m0vies and a 4-digit /. ID.

      i kneel before thee, o master.

    7. Re:Submission System by nick_urbanik · · Score: 2, Informative
      • How does this compare with BOSS?
      • Is your system free software (i.e., GPL type license)?
      • Can we see it?
      • Can we see the code?
      • If not, can you tell us how it works?
      I wrote a quick description of how MOSS works (different from BOSS). Does your system work like that?
    8. Re:Submission System by Jonsey · · Score: 1

      LogicX is my hero, (yes, I know this is OT). Thank you for having the raid.

      - a loving collegedrinker.

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    9. Re:Submission System by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, fuck that system. I hope it has improved in the past 4 years..
      I got fucked by it once:
      A lab-setting exam. About 20+ students in the room, a prof, his aide and a labbie.
      I got accused of cheating!!!
      The Prof froze my and another guys grades, escalated to the head of IT and all that...
      In the end the other guy and I wanted to see the code - to see what triggered this false 'plagerism' flag to go up..

      Comments and variable declarations...real good system. And the kicker is the prof was so bent on seeing our (well my anyway) heads roll he never read the code closely so when the we met with the head of IT, we stepped throught the code and demonstrated that each project was unique (yes, these were programming projects)
      Needless to say, we got cleared and the prof looked bad, I assume got a "talking to"..
      But it's all well and good, I here (working full time) and he's rotting 6ft under. He died a year or so later cause of a brain tumor (karma's a bitch, eh?)
      You other RIT'ers from a few years back probably crossed paths with him

  4. Well... by craenor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Strange as it may sound you could have them each log into IRC, set yourself as the Moderator for the channel. Then take turns working on sentence structure, spelling and grammar.

    *shrug*

    1. Re:Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i lrnd 2 spk nglish ovr IRC!!!!!1111 this werks g8t!! lol

    2. Re:Well... by HanzoSan · · Score: 1


      Thats goofy!!! Why not just let them write papers and grade them. I dont see why you must work on sentence structure, spelling and grammar when most people have computers to do this.

      But ok lets say you want them to do it without a computer, make it a one page paper and do it in class, give them all a dictionary, a pen and some paper, they can then work on sentence structure, grammar and spelling. I dont think theres any reason to teach this however when we have the word processor, just like it was and is useless to teach good handwriting in the typewriter age.

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  5. Let's see... by tinrobot · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instead of passing notes in class, the students can use instant messenger to call you names behind your back.

    Of course, with a good packet sniffer, you can snatch the notes from their grasp and read them aloud. Just like with paper!

    1. Re:Let's see... by Wes+Janson · · Score: 1

      Been there, done that. Only problem is when the teacher sees everyone typing away on the screens..

  6. groups by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Why not use a Yahoo group and subscribe them all.
    You could disallow non-students and maintain a very private discussion.

  7. interesting idea by dema · · Score: 1

    A weblog sounds like a really cool idea. It would also be neat to have some sort of forum setup for them to access and have disscussion on class topics and such (a forum just seems like a more "live" things than a weblog).

    1. Re:interesting idea by jmccay · · Score: 1

      Not only a forum, but you could post the outline and/or notes from the class online. I am wondering if this class is solely online or simple in one room with everyone being online. I am not a fan of the online learning stuff.

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  8. How about by nicodaemos · · Score: 2, Funny

    letting them compete for First Post on /.?

    1. Re:How about by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 1

      Letting the students even see Slashdot would probably be the last thing an English teacher would want... ;)

    2. Re:How about by mhesseltine · · Score: 2, Funny
      Letting the students even see Slashdot would probably be the last thing an English teacher would want... ;)

      However, it would be a good source of assignments.

      Teacher: Class, today we're going to spell-check and grammar check the front page of Slashdot.

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    3. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Teacher: Class, today we're going to spell-check and grammar check the front page of Slashdot
      Talk about unreasonable expectations! For a high school class, I'd recommend something like:

      Teacher: Class, this semester we're going to spell-check and grammar check the front page of Slashdot
  9. I had a computer lab English class once... by TWX · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...and it degenerated into the teacher saying "stop touching the keyboard" every five minutes. No matter what concept for curriculum one comes up with, as long as the students can get onto the Internet, they will. I even was more creative than most, since I SSHed to the university solaris server, which was an arguably legitimate use, only to then launch a black and white console IRC session. I didn't get caught, but several other students with IM clients or GUI-based IRC clients did. Nothing punitive came of it though, because there were no real enforcement policies.

    The class could have been much more efficiently run without computers, or at least without a live Internet connection. Some (like my case) will always find a way though the campus network, but if it can be minimized, that's the only way it will work.

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    1. Re:I had a computer lab English class once... by cosyne · · Score: 1

      No matter what concept for curriculum one comes up with, as long as the students can get onto the Internet, they will

      So long as you have control of the network connections (ethernet or 802.11), you can prevent them from accessing anything not relavent to the course. It might be sufficient to simply make it difficult to connect to outside sites (use a dhcp serever which provides an address for a 'special' dns server, or block or delay packets from anything not on a whitelist for that particular lecture.

      Which is not to say that you should. Some people go to class to keep abreast of what's going on, not to actually learn from the lectuer. They may already know the material, or learn better by reading or having a friend explain it than by listening to a lecturer drone on. If they're not hurting anything, let people chat.

    2. Re:I had a computer lab English class once... by amuzulo · · Score: 1

      In my computer graphics class I had with this situation, our professor clearly stated that anyone who touches their computer when it's not time to use the computers will get an automatic zero quiz grade for that class and will be asked to leave the classroom. That tactic worked quite well!

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    3. Re:I had a computer lab English class once... by bodgit · · Score: 1

      I had this too, although this was actually in a Computer Science environment, but lectures/lessons not requiring the computers were taught in the same room.

      The difference in our room was that there was a big red emergency power cutout button, which if the teacher heard anyone typing or clicking mice, he'd just walk over to and thump the button, and all the computers would go dead.

      It seemed to work, as you couldn't feasibly do anything when you weren't supposed to, but I'd argue it wouldn't do the machines any good.

    4. Re:I had a computer lab English class once... by Katharine · · Score: 1

      When I was in law school, the first year I was assigned to a group that was required to have laptops. The classrooms were wired so that everywhere you went, you could connect to the school network and the internet.

      Everyone who already knew how to use a computer tolerably well tended to use the laptops for note-taking in class. I found that it helped me a lot, though I already knew how to type very quickly and was quite adept with my word processing software. The school also made sure that we had electronic versions of all our course materials, which was very handy (and much lighter). Many people still read their paper copies of the books, but used the electronic versions in class. Having the electronic version also meant that one was never without one's books if they were unexpectedly needed. I would also have things like the entire copyright, trademark, and patent code loaded, the Constitution, a legal dictionary, etc.

      Alas, people also used their laptops to "pass notes" in class via email, surf the web, and even play Doom with each other in the back row. Some of the professors didn't care; they figured that if people were playing Doom during a lecture, they would suffer the consequences when examination time came around. Others would have the internet connection to the room turned off during class.

      The people who got the most benefit out of having the computers all the time were the people who already knew how to use them. The people who didn't even know how to turn the computer on when they got their laptops were hindered.

      One thing that might be handy in teaching English would be if you have a function available that would allow you to show whatever is on a given student's screen at the front of the room for critique purposes. None of my legal writing professors did that, but some of the others did. I have also seen computers used very effectively for exercises in editing.

      Depending on the English course to be taught, the computers might or might not be useful. Many universities teach a very basic English course where skills like looking things up in the library are taught along with basic parts of speech. I could imagine a course like that also including basic computer skills, and would legitimately be taught in a computer lab. For example, one could teach people to use the college library catalog search function much more effectively in a computer lab, show people how to find online journals, etc. However, if the course were a more advanced one, I would expect the computers to be somewhat distracting. On the other hand, students in a more advanced course might better be able to avoid the temptation to "play" on the computers during class.

      Another potential problem: the acoustics in many computer rooms is not as good as that of a standard classroom, and you must be heard over the sound of all that typing!

      My advice: turn off the internet connection during class unless you need it for something in particular that you are teaching that day.

    5. Re:I had a computer lab English class once... by Arpie · · Score: 1

      Turn the classroom around.

      What I mean is you, the teacher, should be able to see the monitors, and the students will have to turn around with their backs to the monitor to see the teacher, and turn around again to use the computer.

      That way at least the teacher will have obvious control of when he wants the students to use the computers.

      Moreover, in my teaching experience (some internal Unix company training plus some e-commerce courses for MBA students in a local University) I've found the best deterrent to random extraneous computer use is making sure students are interested in using the computers in the way you intend them to. "Just" make the computer usage interesting, challenging and fun.

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  10. Try a wiki by ca1v1n · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google for wiki. It's a website that anyone can change, keeping a changelog of course. You could have a lot of fun with one (or a few) of those, especially if any type of creative writing is to be going on.

    1. Re:Try a wiki by pyrrho · · Score: 1

      oops, I was redundant, I said the same thing.

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    2. Re:Try a wiki by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      the above posted has it spot on - you not only want a forum (try phpBB, or FudForum) but a chaotic system that will settle down with use. If you put a wiki up, tell everyone the rules - they can change anything they want - and let them loose. At the end of the course - make them write up an essay on what they learned from this environment.
      Hopefully it'll have been constructive :-)

    3. Re:Try a wiki by seitz · · Score: 1

      I totally agree. A wiki environment is much better than weblogging for thoughtful writing, esp. for evolving information over time.

      And with features like SisterSites (not every engine has that) you can give a space to each individual student and they can more easily link to each other.

      (One issue with online environments in academic settings is that students will be reading each others stuff, so you can't bolt it onto a teaching process that's focused on not "copying from each other", because it will be hard to enforce.)

      http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/WiKi
      http://we bseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/SisterSites

  11. Use Slashcode by mikeophile · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Post an essay topic, let the kids review the submissions with mod points given to your favorite students. Just like Slashdot.

    1. Re:Use Slashcode by Osty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Post an essay topic, let the kids review the submissions with mod points given to your favorite students. Just like Slashdot.

      Or better yet, use Scoop and let everybody moderate. Picking favorites is just asking for trouble. I'm sure you could give mod points to everyone in Slashcode as well, but I don't know how much hacking this would involve.


      Anyway, both engines are probably excessive for the job at hand. Something along the lines of PHP-Nuke would likely be more than sufficient.

    2. Re:Use Slashcode by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If you gave mod points to everyone, in slashcode, as it is in scoop, it would be utter disaster.

      You would take away the sole justification for the existence of Slashdot Editors, as "All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others" would fall flat on its face, dead.

    3. Re:Use Slashcode by nagarjun · · Score: 1

      Good idea, but will not work in practice. There would be too few posts, to be any meaningful discussion.
      Think about it. Of the millions who visit ./ everyday, probably only 10,000 or so post. That is less than 1% of visits leads in a posting. I'd reckon that an essay would be lucky to get 3-4 posts, on an average.

  12. Collaberative Review by thehossman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think something like the system that powers http://www.sciscoop.com/ would be usefull.

    Provide a forum for both discussion of instructor posted "articles" as well as a way for students to post their own writting samples, which can be reviewed/critiqued/commented-on by other students, in such a way that the "cream" rises to the top, and is more visible by all students.

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  13. Answer: don't by Gay+Nigger · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Computers are best left to technical fields. Plus you have the problem of the learning curve - how much will it take people to figure out how to properly use whatever technology you require of them? Remember, it doesn't matter if you think it's easy - if it gives them any kind of trouble, you're going to have to take time away from what you're supposed to be teaching to help with with the technology.

    I say, leave technology out of English. Time would be better spent teaching the way that it has worked for hundreds of years - without the computer. Sure, computers can aid those with good typing skills in getting a paper done faster, but they far and away are useless in such courses as a teaching aid. If it were an engineering course, I would say differently - the world has changed much through the transition from slide rules to calculators to computers. But leave English out of it.

    1. Re:Answer: don't by A+non+moose+cow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Agreed. It would be like wanting to teach an art class in a machine shop full of programmable lathes.

      OOooh... that might be cool actually.

    2. Re:Answer: don't by datawar · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Used properly, computers can be a very valuable resource in any classroom. They're not a specialized tool, like a calculator, that can only be used in certain, well-defined fashion - they're generic tools.

      Most everyone in a given college classroom has at least passing familiarity with web-browsing and basic messaging systems (whether IM or forums), and so, unlike other posters have suggested, there should not be much of a learning curve.

      From weblogs, to real-time commenting on what's going on in class, to anonymous questions (useful if someone in the class is shy about asking, for example, a question about grammar), to a million other possibilities, computers should definitely be used by a resourceful teacher.

      A creative use of the computers in the classroom will definitely be better than a bunch of bored students wishing they could just suft the net or IM...

    3. Re:Answer: don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...anonymous questions ...

      Yeah, good one... Guy next to me starts typing... then a question appears on the monitor... "hmmm i wonder who wrote that?"

    4. Re:Answer: don't by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      I agree. Sure, websites, weblogs and online forums and such require a different style of writing than books and letters. However, I think an English class should not focus on these.

      Teach the students good language fundamentals such as proper grammar, punctuation, text composition, argumentation, and targetting the intended audience, and they'll do well with both old and new media. I've yet to see someone teach any of these better through use of a computer.

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    5. Re:Answer: don't by lesceil277 · · Score: 1

      My wife actually used Bloki for her own classwork - it is like a Wiki, but it does not require learning any geek codes. You get a WYSIWYG editor for your pages, and it has collaboration support: She invited her peers as editors and there is a locking mechanism to keep each other from editing the same page at the same time. Check out the skit that 5 students of varying technical background wrote together: social contract The nice thing is that it does not need any plugins, only a browser with javascript and htmlarea support. Michael

    6. Re:Answer: don't by lesceil277 · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: I work for Zapatec Inc and am involved in developing bloki.com.

    7. Re:Answer: don't by flard · · Score: 1

      That't what I am hoping I can do... I assume that the learning curve will not be too hard. When signing up, these students actually know that they will in a 'computer-aided' class. Hence, my guess is that they actually know what they are doing when they are using a computer. A simple blogging system should not be much harded to use for them than a word-processor.

    8. Re:Answer: don't by anocelot · · Score: 1

      Plus you have the problem of the learning curve

      Yeah, you would be surprised how often this idea gets kicked around. The problem is that there is no hard evidence to support it. The attrition rate for students that take courses here at De Anza Community College in on campus web-hybrids is no different from standard classes. The technology is not the barrier. We use WebCT (an enterprise course management system) but the are open source alternatives as well. A cool perl/mysql open source system who's name eludes me at the moment comes to mind. A good set of tools to facilitate communication is all that is required.

      The problem is NOT the tools, but the course design. To say you cannot successfully use computers to teach english because someone once had a few bad classes doing it is like saying all cars are uncomfortable because I drove from LA to DC in a 1987 Civic Hatchback!

      I run the tech support for all distance learning courses here, and I have on average 2 out of our 13,000+ students/year that flat out cannot handle the technology. Not to stereotype these people, but they are invariably part of the 'back to school at 55' crowd. Bottom line IMHO: Your modern day students don't have the same learning curve you had.

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  14. Writing by Minam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    My wife taught an English writing course for several years (to non-native speakers) and used some Perl scripts I wrote for her to do things like forums (where the students were required to participate in online discussions about topics of interest to them) and a "random topic generator" (where a topic like what would appear on the TOEFL would pop up, and they had 30 minutes to write an essay on it). My wife also did the old-fashioned thing and had the students turn in papers, but she would type them up and post them online so that the students could see how each other did. She must have done something right, 'cause the students always loved her class.

    I suppose what I'm recommending are forums. Never really used weblogs, so I can't comment on that.

  15. Tablet PC's? by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

    Just wondering if they were tablet PC's or regular PC's (laptop or desktop, doesn't really matter). At Drexel University, we just started using tablet PC's in several classes, but the main one non-computer science/engineering related would be for math courses. The tablet PC's enable students to easily work out problems using the ability to "write-out" the math problems quickly and easily save into Word documents as image files by using the pens to free-hand the symbols, etc., used in math courses.

    Not sure how else you would use them in an english class per say, but it at least would elliminate the need for typing in on the keyboard (not that it would make it easier for the instructor to read later on :P )

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    1. Re:Tablet PC's? by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 1

      ...or they could just use a piece of paper and a pencil.

      hmmm...go figure

    2. Re:Tablet PC's? by flard · · Score: 1

      They are your regular, run-of-the-mill Dell's (I think 8200), but I am not sure. I don't think we have yet arrived at using Tablet PC - just upgraded the lab from old Power Macs last year...

  16. Two possible uses... by wo1verin3 · · Score: 1

    1) Modifying report cards/grades (old unisys machine login: iladministrator pass: xxx)

    2) Porn. nuff said.

    1. Re:Two possible uses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey,
      someone has to WRITE the porn?, eh??
      I need something to read when I go to the bathroom

    2. Re:Two possible uses... by JDWTopGuy · · Score: 1

      If the students are willing to jack off in class, you already have a problem, even without porn.

      Who the hell is going to spank their monkey in the middle of class? Duh!

      --
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  17. don't spend too much time on technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I took a class like the one you describe as a freshman, and the instructor spent substantially more time helping students who were unfamilar with web publishing, and even basic computer skills in a few cases, than he did helping students develop their writing skills or discussing course reading materials.

    In short, be sure you don't lose focus on what's really important to teach during your course.

  18. Wiki! by dubStylee · · Score: 2, Informative

    I suggest looking at setting up Wiki. Collaborative writing with ability to make links inside and outside the wiki and the ability to edit each other's texts which will put a different spin on the nature of the collaboration. Also, the sheer simplicity of it will focus the students on the content rather than on playing around with a bunch of software widgets.

  19. A word of caution: by FalconRed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Use the computers only where it makes sense.

    The Weblogs are a good idea, because it allows the students to critique each others' papers on their at their convenience. And of course the Internet is a great research tool.

    However most teachers fall victim to the temptation of using computers too often. Putting today's lesson into Flash may be "cool", but it doesn't help the student learn the material. English is about the written word, not about the latest technology.

    Also, if you use the computers on a regular basis, there will always be a few students with poor computer skills or who crash the machine that will demand immediate attention. This iterrupts the flow of the class and cuts into precious class time.

    Think twice about trying any of the suggestions here. Because college classes should be about learning first, using technology second (or third, or fourth...)

    1. Re:A word of caution: by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
      Which skill will serve the students better later in life - familiarity with Microsoft Windows, or the ability to write research papers in formal English with footnotes?

      If you said footnotes, try again. Nobody in uses footnotes after college is over.

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    2. Re:A word of caution: by whatch+durrin · · Score: 1
      A student can familiarize himself with M$ Windows/Office outside of class when he works on long essays. Chances are, he's going to have to use a word processing program for other classes, anyway.

      Class time should be set aside for teaching English and communicating one-on-one with students, not trying to interface through an intermediary.

      If you said footnotes, try again. Nobody in uses footnotes after college is over.

      Did we forget a word here? D paper! Try again! (Sorry, just had to:)

      Seriously...experience with a word processing program will come in many courses as one goes through college. Experience referencing your sources should also, but sometimes it takes a Nazi English professor to *ahem* reinforce the importance of stating where you obtained your information.

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    3. Re:A word of caution: by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      editing mistake. meant to delete 'in' actually. blame lack of proofreaders.

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  20. New uses for computers in the classroom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    They make dandy paperweights. Sutdents need to know how to do real math without calculators. Hell, I'd even advocate the return to the slide rule and abacus. When the power goes out, what are they going to do? Probably die. Pity.

    1. Re:New uses for computers in the classroom by beerman2k · · Score: 1

      It's not easy to use an abacus in the dark, and its damn near impossible to use the slide rule :(

    2. Re:New uses for computers in the classroom by I+am+a+bad+speller · · Score: 1

      two reasons why computers are a good thing in the classroom

      1: ability to do real reports and research in a short amount of time, Ever try writing a report in one hour in class with nothing but a binder and an old encyclopedia thats shared between the class

      2: people will be useing computers when they get into the real world

      as for your argument that people wont know how to do math is just silly +-/* is drumed into kids till about the 7th grade, no reason to force a 10th grader to waste thier time when they could be learning new ideas, and when the power goes out they will use batteries

  21. Things NOT to do by sosume · · Score: 1, Informative

    Things NOT to do in class with pc's

    - Do not give students an 'open' environment (shell). They'll break out of it in no time and ignore the rest of the class. Even worse, they'll hack other students' (or the professors') computers and make a mess.

    - Do not allow file sharing whatsoever EXCEPT via a main central shared folder. Any other way will eventually result in warez and pr0n.

    - Do not allow e-mail or IMs to be read during class. Another disaster for non-class related communication. Better yet, disable all network communications except maybe port 80.

    - Do not allow students to run non-approved programs. If they want to, they should use their home pc for that.

    - Constantly run a sniffer on the class segment to check for 'abnormal communication'

    Okay, maybe you can create some exceptions to these rules for the highest graders. But you shouldn't.

  22. computer lab for non-technical courses by pcboss99 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm an instructional technologist for a large university, and your concern here is one I find myself discussing with a lot of faculty lately.

    Here are some precautions and some ideas:
    * Be careful how much you require your students to learn in order to use the tools you choose -- frustration with technology will overcome any benefit from the tools.
    * Identify and use 'peer experts' in your class to help you teach the basics.
    * Using Blogging in a writing class is a fantastic way for your students to gain ownership of their writing online, but you'll have to work hard to encourage anything like collaboration, peer reviewing, or even quality. This is a good use for a detailed syllabus.
    * An easy way of supplementing a Blog is to require the students to build a web-based portfolio on which they can post edited 'highlights' from their blog.
    * Be precise about your requirements. I recommend giving seperate credit for 'participation' and 'attendance' online. This means that they have to do something meaningful to get the 'participation' points, but by simply posting anything they'll earn the 'attendance' points. Sounds hokey, but it really works to show students how to go beyond just posting to posting something worthwhile.

    Okay . . . enough edu-speak. Let the technophiles sound off, because I'm curious to hear what these creative minds will offer as alternatives to blogging.

    --- Brian Richard

    1. Re:computer lab for non-technical courses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can think of one way the computers can be used. I remember a machine that one of my schools used to increase reading speed and comprehension.

      A story was written on continous feed paper and stored in the machine such that it would scroll the story for the reader at a predetermined rate. At the end of the story several multiple choice questions were asked and you were graded.

      Use computers where it makes sense. They are a tool, used similarly to the machine I described above they could help students increase their reading speed. Perhaps there are other ways that the computer in the class could be used to help students with refine or enhance other skills.

      As a testing tool the computer can save the teacher time, perhaps.

    2. Re:computer lab for non-technical courses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Identify and use 'peer experts' in your class to help you teach the basics."

      Sounds like your trying to get free labor to me. Hire a couple of assistants or raise the course prerequisites. Your students PAY YOU TO TEACH THEM and your asking them to help you do your job.

      I took a computer based writing class. The people in the class (non techs) could barely figure out the power switch. Good luck with a blog. Yes, this was a college class. Yes, I passed. No, I'm not a better writer now. :P

    3. Re:computer lab for non-technical courses by Bodrius · · Score: 1

      If you use a blog engine that provides user-moderation for the comments (like Scoop), you get a pretty good measure for "participation": a comment others find insightful (and give points to, through moderation) is a pretty good indicative of how much does the student understand and participate in the class.

      Also, if a comment is considered insightful by the class and not the professor, or vice versa... well, there's good material for class discussion right there.

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  23. Finding sources of cliche's by jemenake · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As time goes on, I keep discovering that more and more commonly-used cliche's trace back to famous pieces of literature. (ie, "Neither a borrower, nor a lender be", "Good fences make good neighbors", "Out, out.. damned spot!", etc.). It surprises me how ignorant most people (including me) are about where these came from.

    Now, looking back on my English experiences, I think it would have been pretty cool if each student were given a phrase and they had to use the net to find out what literature it originally came from and have to read enough of the surrounding text to be able to describe the context of the scene where the phrase occured (like Lady MacBeth trying to wash the blood off, etc).

    1. Re:Finding sources of cliche's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just answer 'Shakespear' and you'll be right most of the time...

  24. A single weblog? by metalhed77 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Perhaps a weblog for each student would make more sense. A single installation of moveable type (www.moveabletype.org) can service an arbitrary number of weblogs. You could also have one main weblog where each student turns in the link to his work, and where assignments are posted.

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    1. Re:A single weblog? by jodo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Check out drupal.org. It has the ability, if desired, to have separate blogs for each student. Also a "book" format for collaboration. And even a separate forum. And static pages as well. Very nice. Students can even learn the meaning of taxonomy! ;->

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  25. Teach the Dangers of Spell Checkers by mengel · · Score: 2, Funny
    Many people fall into the "if the spell checker liked it it must be okay" trap. Many variations are possible, but my favorite is to run "Jabberwocky" through a spell checker and tell it to "Just fix it". A friend of mine used to have the results from an old Macintosh spellchecker on his wall...
    Twangs brilliant and the silver tongs did...
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    1. Re:Teach the Dangers of Spell Checkers by zakezuke · · Score: 1

      Was was that grammar check bug in either word 97 or 2000?

      "unable to follow directions" was incorrect
      "Unable to get an erection" was correct

      Something like that... it was something to that effect, which I first learned about it after a niece of mine got a kindergarden report card... and other parents were most miffed.

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    2. Re:Teach the Dangers of Spell Checkers by Dylan+Zimmerman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Teas Willis, and the sticky tours
      Did gym and Gibbs in the wake.
      All mimes were the borrowers,
      And the moderate Belgrade.
      "Beware the tablespoon my son,
      The teeth that bite, the Claus that catch.
      Beware the Subjects bird, and shred
      The serious Bandwidth!"
      He took his Verbal sword in hand:
      Long time the monitors fog he sought,
      So rested he by the Tumbled tree,
      And stood a while in thought.
      And as in selfish thought he stood,
      The tablespoon, with eyes of Flame,
      Came stifling through the trigger wood,
      And troubled as it came!
      One, two! One, two! And through and though,
      The Verbal blade went thicker shade.
      He left it dead, and with its head,
      He went gambling back.
      "And host Thai slash the tablespoon?
      Come to my arms my bearish boy.
      Oh various day! Cartoon! Cathay!"
      He charted in his joy.
      Teas Willis, and the sticky tours
      Did gym and Gibbs in the wake.
      All mimes were the borrowers,
      And the moderate Belgrade.

      That one is by far my favorite. It was obtained by writing Jabberwocky on a Newton OMP (Original Message Pad). Those had the worst HWR imaginable. The 130 actually had pretty good recognition accuracy and the 2X00 is simply phenomenal.

    3. Re:Teach the Dangers of Spell Checkers by Inda · · Score: 3, Funny

      Jabberwocky is fine on OfficeXP - sorry.

      I always liked this:

      Eye have a spelling chequer,
      It came with my Pea Sea,
      It plainly marques for my revue
      Miss steaks aye can knot sea.

      Eye strike a quay and type a whirred
      And weight four it two say
      Weather eye am wrong oar write,
      It shows me strait a weigh.

      As soon as the misses ache is maid
      It nose before two long
      And aye can put the error rite
      Its rare lea ever wrong.

      Eye have run this poem threw it,
      I am sure your pleased to no,
      Its letter perfect awl the weigh,
      My chequer tolled me sew.

      Wonderful. :)

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    4. Re:Teach the Dangers of Spell Checkers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once received an essay on Plato where every instance of the philosopher's name had been changed to "plateau".

  26. Suggestions... by Obscenity · · Score: 1

    P0rn. At least watch their pings some, so that they have a fear of being caught. You can be responsible for what the view during class time, unless you make a "contract" in which their parents sign and it specifies what they can and cannot do. And there might be some skript kiddies too, so make sure they cant install any foregn software such as... nmap and ping flooders. If they can figure it out themselvs, how to DOS someone, or hack into a program. DO NOT TAKE AWAY THEIR COMPTUER RIGHTS!!! Explain to them why it is wrong, and then teach the class about what that child did, and how to make sure it does not happen again. Don't make a child loose privelages because he hacked someone, just make some backups, and use it as a teaching oppertunity. Next, you don't want to make the interface too complicated, not everyone wants to learn about computers and how they work. (nobody important anyways...) Make sure that if they absolutely hate computers, that it wont be too hard for them to do their work. Have some tutorials and README's on hand on a server for their access should the get in a bind. And make sure you're understanding to those who have trouble, not eveyone knows a lot about computers, and we need to integrate them in a friendly enviornment. Most of all, make sure they have some fun learning, because then they'll retain all that you teach them.

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  27. no offense by SHEENmaster · · Score: 1

    but the average English teacher/class would have no freaking clue to modify perl code.

    A wiki textbook might be a better idea.

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  28. Not about computers but, by INMCM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whatever you end up doing, be lienent on those paper deadlines. Freshmen are the worst for doing quality work on deadlines. A good thing to do is set a deadline for class one day. Then say that you think they could use a little more time on their work and push it back by a class session. This is a life saver for the student who punched out 10 pages in one night and really did not have a chance to proof it.

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    1. Re:Not about computers but, by jcknox · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Each teacher has a responsibility to teach a particular subject. All teachers should also teach responsibility, self-discipline, and the idea that actions have consequences.

      Otherwise we graduate students that are unprepared for meeting job deadlines, paying bills on time, etc.

    2. Re:Not about computers but, by INMCM · · Score: 1

      Did I say that he should be so laize-faire about the assignments he gives that deadlines and responibilty aren't an issue? No, I'm only saying that he or she should realize he's dealing with kids who for the most part are fresh out of high school and maybe are still adjusting to college. My freshmen composition professor "went easy on us" 2 or 3 times during my first semester and it was a godsend. Did you go to college? Did you ever have trouble doing a comp paper? It can be challanging to for a new student to deal with "read this book, and write 5 pages by next friday". Just cutting people slack while they adjust is a good way to build up your rep as a professor and as a human being. People like compassion. Also, it should be noted that while I've had many good professor since then, none have bee as forgiving and I'm glad for that.

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    3. Re:Not about computers but, by flard · · Score: 1

      Actually, I am quite a nazi about deadlines. None of us here just assign "5 pages by next friday" and I would hope no composition teacher does that anymore. Most teachers here assign a draft first, (which some have peer reviewed and some not) then meet with the student 1-on-1 to discuss the draft and the work that still needs to be done on it, and only after all of that the student hands in the 5 pages. So it's a whole process everybody (including the teacher...) has to go through. By the way, students know when what assignment is due after the first day of classes. Compassion is fine, but I don't want my students to have to rely on the kindness of others.

  29. Groups bad... by TWX · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Why not use a Yahoo group and subscribe them all."

    Yahoo! Groups is not a good idea for something that is University Curriculum, especially if it is required. If someone managed to break into the system, there is not IT department to run to, and if Yahoo! changes policies, then you are left holding the bag. If you intend to use collaborative efforts digitally (which I strongly recommend against), at least use something that is available locally, provided or maintained by someone that you can go yell at if something goes wrong.

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    1. Re:Groups bad... by flard · · Score: 1

      Yes, and I especially don't want them to be confronted with even more advertisement -- and I don't think the university would be happy with using a commerical services either.

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  31. Computers make you write poorly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Computers have created a society without attention spans or connection to the real world around them. Writing is a physical activity that should take time to produce quality results. Blogs are useless and a horrible waste of time. Please have your students write well not in excess.
    Check out this article from one of Americas best essayist/poet/fiction write

    1. Re:Computers make you write poorly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Computers make you write poorly"

      I present Slashdot.org as evidence

    2. Re:Computers make you write poorly. by izzydrewlynne · · Score: 0

      I am gonna hate myself later for feeding a troll, but here I go anyway.

      Computer are not evil machines out to make us all lazy writers. Lazy writers are born, not made. Attention spans are short because anything that does not get quickyl to the point is a waste of time as dictated by modern society.

      I have written lots, and I am trying to figure out what is so physical about writing. I don't know about you , but the last essay I wrote whil jogging looked like shit. ;) That's like saying writers that used word processors are somehow retarded in their writing abilities. Simply not true.

      I find that writing on a computer allows me to randomly throw down a few ideas and then rapidly edit them into order. I find this better than planning on paper since cut and paste does not work so well. Any other type of writing frustrates me with error correction methods.

      Anyway, the tools that are now avaiable for use (blogs, wikki, forum software) have multitudes of uses, and I would have loved it if they had been available when I was in school. I can think of dozens of writing exercises for which these programs are perfect. Tools are only as useless as you allow them to be. Besides, computers are more entrenched in the world than they ever have been. I think it'd give the kids a leg up to incorporate them as much as possible.

      The blueprints for a better world
      written on a postage stamp
      no one bothered to read the front
      just stick out their tounges to lick the back
      -NoFX

    3. Re:Computers make you write poorly. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am gonna -- I am going to
      quickyl -- quickly
      you , -- you,
      whil jogging -- while jogging
      that used -- that use (?)
      Since when is getting down random ideas and pretending they have a meaning by cutting and pasting good writing. Is logic and argumentation a matter your ill-thought out and prepared rambling? One much greater than I said it best. "On ne peut penser et ecrire qu'assis [One cannot think and write except when seated] (G. Flaubert). There I have caught you, nihilist! The sedentary life is the very sin against the Holy Spirit. Only thoughts reached by walking have value."--Nietzsche

    4. Re:Computers make you write poorly. by izzydrewlynne · · Score: 0

      That's right, I write as I speak. I used vernacular in my writing, and I had typos. Geez, now I wish I were writing in an informal setting. Oh... wait...

    5. Re:Computers make you write poorly. by Bartmoss · · Score: 1

      However, this guy does not resent computers for being tools for worse writing, but because they're part of, uhm, the industrial conspiuracy against nature (my term), as well as becoming dependant on them (cannot be repaired by man of average intelligence, uses energy produced from strip-mined coal, and so on).

      I claim that using a computer or not has exactly zero effect on the quality of the work of any given author. The problem you and other "bloghaters" are alluding to, whether you realize it or not, is that the easy availability of publishing tools removes a great deal of the barrier of entry. In the past, you had to produce "quality" articles to get published; printing your own stuff was basically impossible. Later, with such advances as photocopiers, people could churn out small distributions more easily. But only with the help of the Internet is it possible for basically anybody to publish whatever they feel like to a global audience.

      Computers do not decrease the skill of the authors, it makes the work of more (hobby) authors available. And most hobby writers simply have very little talent for writing.

  32. In short by Ricin · · Score: 1

    See it as an addon. Don't turn the blog (at home) into the whiteboard (in class). You're a teacher not a webmaster. Refrain from commenting on the blog yourself but merely read it and use it as feedback. Encourage students to use it though but let *them* do the discussing.

    (all IMHO of course)

  33. Language classes by doorman · · Score: 1

    With a cheap mike and headphones, the computer could easily be used to record and playback speech. Sort of similar to the old language labs schools had with tape decks and study carrels that you practiced speech in.

    Ever heard yourself talk? Sounds different when played back, and that can be a useful tool when teaching someone proper pronunciation.

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    1. Re:Language classes by ottothecow · · Score: 1
      This year my school just finalized installation of a modern language lab. It consists of rows of study carrels with clear fronts so the teacher can see you, in your booth is a litlle box with a display and a bunch of buttons and a headphone/mic combo (think fast food).

      the teacher has a normal windows pc at the front of the room connected to various audio input sources and his/her own headset. the boxes appear to be connnected with cat5 and standard ethernet: I accidentally ripped one of the boxes off the desk and it was attatched to a piece of cat5 and I assume that the rack sitting on the floor next to the teacher contains some switches.

      Im not sure what this can do exactly but we usually use it for class listening. We have also used it to have p2p or small group discussions (which the teacher can listen in on), record and listen to ourselves, and to listen to a segment but have control of the playback.

      ahh I just remembered the products were manufactured by Tandberg Educational. We used the elice unit

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  34. TikiWiki by gmuslera · · Score: 2, Informative

    TikiWiki is a combination of Wiki, CMS, Forums, chat, blogs, image/file galleries and a lot more that let users collaborate in a lot of different ways. It also have a very highly configurable permission system, that enable controlling what some can do and some others no, or what features a group or an user can access.

    1. Re:TikiWiki by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Well, the features you talk about are intriguing, and made me want to learn more. But when I explore the web site I also see a real kitchen-sink of features: editable drawings, web mail, even an ephemerides! "And a grand total of more than 375 features not listed!" That makes me wary of the product: it sounds like everybody's throwing in their favorite whiz-bang feature, and nobody is worried about the scope or scale of the project getting out of control. Already seen too many OSS projects go this route.

  35. Here's how it works at my uni by NemesisStar · · Score: 2, Informative

    While we're nowhere near the 1 computer for every student mark (something like 1 for every TWENTY) we do have quite a good infrastructure set up for those who are 1337 enough to know it exists.

    * We have our own irc server, which is meant to be used for only Uni related topics but somehow falls short of that

    * The uni has a newsgroup server and most subjects (at least that I do) have a newsgroup which the lecturer/tutors check regularly and answers questions

    * Each lecturer/tutor has an email address that they can be contacted on for answering questions of any type. That is to say questions like "If I were to be sick on Tuesday, how would it affect me" as opposed to "wanna date ROFL"

    The downside of all this is that we no longer get assignments printed out and handed to us in class, we have to go to the course website (oh yeah, each course has a website) and download the PDFs and print it out ourselves. Some of them take up MANY pages.

    We also have a place where we can submit our assignments/projects electronically which saves BIG BUCKS on printing costs. For the students that is, the cost is usually passed onto the school which prints them out because it's easier to read for the lecturers/tutors. (bit of a double edged sword that one)

    All university administration is handled via computer - ie signing up for classes/tutes etc. which is fantastic when it's working.

    I guess a lot of that goes outside the scope of the question, but hey, at least it opens up some branches which you might not have thought of and want to explore further.

  36. Sexual Education by ad0gg · · Score: 1

    Sex Ed. nuff said

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  37. phpBB2 by macemoneta · · Score: 4, Informative
    phpBB2 is a great community forum system that's easy to setup, extensible, and requires little or no maintenance. You can easily create forums that the students would find interesting and useful (homework discussion, reference sources for research, suggestions for class projects, etc.), while still allowing instructor oversight and moderation. Private areas can also be setup (invisible to students), to allow the instructor to have their own discussion areas as well (or areas where students can work on group projects, isolated from other student groups).

    The phpBB Community Forum is an example of the software in use, if you want to get an idea of its capabilities. All open source. I'm not involved with the project, just a happy user. :-)

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    1. Re:phpBB2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Postnuke! With all the built-in modules and extensibility via other modules, and whatever PHP coding you could/would contribute you'd have a heavy-duty classroom portal-- with a module for the phpBB2 forum system described above available too. May be a bit overkill, but it'd almost certainly have everything ya'd need...I use it for five or six Intranet sites- very useful for the lazy... ;-)

  38. I Second This by blunte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And since I'm replying to an "interesting" post, mine may not be flagged FLAIMBAIT... maybe :)

    Computers are a tool. In this setting, they'll be a distraction. They're not going to make a very non-technical class like this more interesting. They'll just provide an outlet for disinterested people to keep themselves busy.

    Back in my day, we used books and notebooks. When it came time to write a paper (a formal effort, not a weblog), we did use a computer. But that was not during class.

    I think you really need to look elsewhere for ways to get students interested and involved. Computers will be a mistake.

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    1. Re:I Second This by orange_6 · · Score: 1

      The best system for "computer learning" I've seen implemented in a classroom based system allows for the instructorsrs screen to be broadcast to the rest of the systems in the room, and any other systems screen to be broadcast to any other for critique of writings.

      Our campus has two such systems, and the instructors who have used them completely love being able to block IM-ing in all its forms...if you can't see what's being written, you can't write back. And the way the classrooms are set up, all monitors face the center of the room so the instructor can catch people trying to chat when they're actually supposed to be writing.

      I wish I could find a link to the system, but I completely forget it's name.

    2. Re:I Second This by mrjive · · Score: 2, Informative

      This is commonly called a KVM (Keyboard-Video-Mouse). When I was a student at CSM they installed this kind of system in all the labs in the new tech building. The teacher's ability to control all the student's desktop machines (or spy on them) should be incentive enough to prevent them from doing malicious/unproductive things.

      Of course, I never got to take a class using one of these labs, but I did get to play with the systems when they were first installed at any rate.

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    3. Re:I Second This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interested parties may wish to check out NetOp School. I manage eight computer labs for Santa Fe Community College (Gainesville, FL), and we have deployed this software across the board. In addition to restricting access to the machines, instructors can demo their machine to students or observe students screens in real time. Instructors can also delegate "teacher" control to other students, or groups of students for groupwork. Geez! I sound like a commercial!

      http://crossteccorp.com/netopschool/

      Andy

    4. Re:I Second This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't make the mistake one of my PoliSci professors made and visit whitehouse.com instead of whitehouse.gov. He couldn't close the popups fast enough so he pulled the plug on the computer.

      Good times...

    5. Re:I Second This by blunte · · Score: 1

      Rofl!

      Now that WILL get your students' attention :)

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    6. Re:I Second This by FCKGW · · Score: 1

      I just took a Windows 2000 Server (please, no flames) class in college in a room with Robotel's SmartClass system. Each computer had a little box mounted under the table that the monitor, headphones, and possibly the keyboard and mouse passed through like a KVM switch, and they were all hooked together with CAT5. They also connected to a control panel on top of the table next to each computer that looked like it could be used for quite a few different collaborative things. I don't know if the boxes themselves were hosts on the network or connected in some proprietary way. Although they looked like they could project any computer onto any other, and be used for student-to-student or student-to-instructor communication, my instructor only used it to project his screen onto all the others. It was great because there was no software to install (we were constantly reinstalling Win2K Server anyway), and only the monitor needed to be on to see what the instructor was showing.

      Another awesome thing those computers had were Romtec Trios in each machine, connected to two hard drives. They had Win98 on one for the programming classes, and Win2K Server on the other for our class. Unlike a software OS selector and boot loader like LILO or the NT loader, it physically disconnected the drive that wasn't being used, so my screwing around with Win2K server and partitioning and stuff wouldn't bork the Win98 install that needed to be up and running. Neat.

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    7. Re:I Second This by dlakelan · · Score: 1

      Since we're talking about english teaching...

      one thing that gets me is when people use "disinterested" to mean "uninterested".

      I guess it may be a common secondary meaning, but using it sort of ruins the very useful primary meaning, which is "unbiased"

      ie. "we sought out a disinterested party to settle the dispute"

      Now i'm all for language evolution so don't jump on my as a grammar nazi...

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  39. MUSHes by Boatman · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Have them explore a multi-user text-based reality simulator, like Elendor. My little brother learned his excellent writing skills on Elendor, as a byproduct of interacting textually with extremely literate and picturesque writers.

    He has been playing for about 7 years now. I asked him about the character he plays... and he could have gone on for hours. Read some of the "Role Play Logs". Amazing. And amazing that they're ephemeral - imagine if every action were logged! We could spend years just as spectators, watching wars and communities from hundreds of different perspectives.

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    1. Re:MUSHes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you could get a life.

  40. don't tolerate a single bit of aolspeak by colmore · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In that context, they're going to be using a lot of AIM slang, announce on the first day that it's an English class, and you expect English spelling and English grammar. In general I don't like computer classrooms, especially not for English. They get in the way of actual discussion. The best environment for a literature class is a big table where everyone looks everyone else in the face. Don't just ask your students to memorize the plot, ask them to think critically about the books. Why is this an important thing to read? What does it say about society? Literature is more than a fancy way of telling stories, don't let them discuss books on the level that they'd discuss an action movie, they're definitely capable of deeper analysis than "it was cool when..." Also, for high school English, don't underestimate short stories. You should definitely be assigning a lot of novels as well, but frequently young students are much better at thinking about short works critically. On the first day, have them read Hemingway's "A Clean Well Lighted Place" to get the ball rolling. You can read it in 10 minutes and the story obviously exists for a reason other than to tell about some event that happened to some characters. Also, I'd suggest The Bell Jar, Lord of the Flies, Huck Finn, and Catcher in the Rye as great books for ninth graders. If you're going to do any Shakespeare, Othello is probably the most accessible of the 4 tragedies. As far as the computers, I wouldn't use them for anything beyond in-class typewriters. Certainly don't make them do powerpoint presentations or webpages. What on earth does that have to do with English. Some sort of continuing reading response diary is a good idea, but make sure out-loud discussion and debate outweighs typing. Oh and they should be writing an essay a week, at least. It's a shame how poor the writing of most high schoolers is. Anyway, good luck.

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    1. Re:don't tolerate a single bit of aolspeak by el_chicano · · Score: 1
      As far as the computers, I wouldn't use them for anything beyond in-class typewriters. Certainly don't make them do powerpoint presentations or webpages. What on earth does that have to do with English.
      Bad idea. Most English majors do not become teachers, they enter the job market. In the workplace many work in communications or in marketing. Try getting a job in those field without knowing Powerpoint or at least having passing knowledge of the internet.

      Communication is just not about the words you use. Formatting of the words is equally important, and I am not trying to be overly critical here, but if you had used a few <br> tags your post would have been much easier to read.
      Some sort of continuing reading response diary is a good idea, but make sure out-loud discussion and debate outweighs typing.
      What is this supposed to be, an English class or a speech/debate class? Focus on the writing!

      Also, to me at least, typing is much faster than writing by hand. The only C I got in high school was in typing (it was a vocational class for future secretaries) but that C was worth it because those typing skills have proved invaluable to me in the workplace over the last 25 years.
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    2. Re:don't tolerate a single bit of aolspeak by JimmyBigFish · · Score: 1

      You started off with a good point but it got lost in some of the other stuff you had to say.

      The point I want to make sure is made is in whatever you choose to do you shouldn't tolerate one mention of an IM shorthand. No "lol"'s, no gotcha, no gonna, use proper English or get deducted. I am amazed when I read my younger brother's papers how much garbage he gets away with. (he is still in college) Don't tolerate shorthand. Donâ(TM)t tolerate shorthand in anything that you will be grading. Tests, quizzes, assignments, papers, et al. I have seen several examples of recent college graduates trying to join the workforce with me here but once hired, they couldn't express anything they had to say in anything other than shorthand! It's incredibly annoying and very unprofessional.

      Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. Let the grammar nazis pick out my spelling or grammatical errors.

  41. computers for english by cindy · · Score: 1

    It's been a while, but as I recall freshman english was supposed to drag "victims" of high school english up to a level of proficiency where they would have the reading comprehension and writing skills necessary to survive in a college environment. If this is still the case (maybe skills are better these days - or expectations are lower), I would be careful to avoid using the technology just because it's there. The last thing they need is another distraction. I can see how a weblog might be helpful. However, some of the worst writing I've ever read has been on the internet, and some of the worst of that has been on weblogs.

  42. Try a forum, not a weblog. by Selanit · · Score: 5, Informative

    As I understand them, weblog programs are designed to allow one person to post an article, and then other people to comment on it. I do not think this is well suited to what you want to do, because 1) you will have multiple people posting multiple works, 2) you will probably not want to allow comments from random strangers. Using weblogs, each student would need to have his or her own weblog, which would make it more difficult for collaborative use of the type you envision.

    For these purposes, a forum would be much better; forums allow for multiple, separate discussions to take place in a centralized area. They also allow the forum administrator to lock down the forum in such a way that only members can post messages, and the administrator gets to say who can be a member. This would help keep the discussion on topic. Each student's work would go in a different thread -- say Sally M. Haverforth posts the first draft of her argumentative essay on Milton's treatment of women in a thread called "S. Haverforth -- Milton: Masochistic Misogynist?". Subsequent comments from her peers would be replies to that initial posting, keeping the whole thing neatly organized.

    If you have access to an appropriately equipped server, I recommend phpBB for the job: it's easy to set up and administer, open source, free of charge, and fairly easy to use.

  43. Dont let them touch it by JVert · · Score: 1, Funny

    Have all computers powered up and in fully working order. Turn off the screensavers and make sure the monitor doesn't turn off, and that the network icon is active so they can see that it is connected. You want a nice fat green start menu just begging to be pressed. Now for the entire course anyone who touches their computer gets an immediate F.

    The discipline will be priceless.

  44. Do not allow by phorm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anonymous FTP'ing or such things. It took us one weekend with somebody leaving the anon FTP open for a nice 7200 new folders to be found on the server at work (no, it wasn't me)

    1. Re:Do not allow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And did you manage to get all that burned to DVD before you told the boss?

  45. Journalism by poptones · · Score: 1
    A blog is an OK start, but it tends to be a vanity publication. I suggest making it a bit more formal and giving them an opportunity to develop their research and debate skills. Example: give'emn a topic at the beginning of class and they have to research the subject sufficiently to develop an argument, and deliver it by the end of class.

    I'm really not keen on computers in the classroom unless it is required for technical reasons. Face time is too precious as it is, it seems stupid to waste those fifty minutes with everyone's face buried in a CRT when they can do the exact same work on their own time in any public library.

  46. Classroom Computer (ab)use by luxin · · Score: 2, Informative

    During my freshman year I had a few classes that were located in computer labs such as programming and a business class. In both cases no one would pay any attention to the instructor. AIM, ICQ, news and just surfing were the main culprits. I would recommend pulling the plug when you plan on actually teaching them material and then finding a way to limit there activities on the internet during assignments. I think you will find that most people will tend to do other things during class and not the work at hand. I would have to say keep an English class in a regular classroom, to keep the distractions to a minimum. I would promote the use of these resources as a study aid or way to complete assignments.

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  47. Toss out the computers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Technology is ruining our society and social skills... Be a pompus ass and require them to WRITE (with pencil & pen) their journels. Too many kids today have short hand from chat and stuff and it's leaking out into the real world. When I have to do a google search to see what a student meant when he stated in a story that he was roflao, then I knew it went too far!

    (Not really, thats a ficticious example, but it does happen!)

    By the way, don't no english folks go correcting me grammer or spelling... (TIC)

  48. Nicenet by barchibald · · Score: 1

    Try http://www.nicenet.org . Simple, widely used and FREE. It's designed for the classroom.

  49. Consider your intended curriculum by Ra5pu7in · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Imagine teaching a basic math class to second graders and giving them calculators. They'll learn how to use calculators. They won't learn basic arithmetic.

    You'll have to look very closely at what you want your students to learn. This might be the ability to spell-check and grammar-check their own writing without being dependent on a word processor. It might be to write regularly. It might be to read available text and review them.

    Whatever it is, you will want to make sure the computer is nothing more than a tool - like a pencil. As several others have pointed out, it is very easy to abuse computers in a classroom setting. Access to the Internet is very hard to control completely and IM/IRC are not much more effective than group discussions.

    The main benefit of computers might be minimizing paper. Sending the assignments and notes to each computer and having students do their assignments on the computer to send to you could be a great savings in paper.

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  50. Information by rosewood · · Score: 1

    The best thing I would want a computer infront of me for is information

    What is my grade? What did I get on that last assignment? When is the next assignment due? Any errata on that? Can I chat with other students in the class re whatever I want?

    etc etc etc

    Im so borring. Sorry :(

    1. Re:Information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, dude, those are actually good ideas.. having all assignments online should be mandatory by now.

  51. Its Too Bad.... by carterhawk001 · · Score: 1

    Its to bad you dont have a mac lab, with those it is much harder bypass the restrictions on what you can and cant do, not to mention the difficulty of damaging the actual software. However, i would reccomend you make sure your machines are using Deep Freeze, as it resets the machine to a predefined state at every boot, so if you get a virus or a bunch of p2p software, you just reset and it is gone, it is also very convenient, as you can defrost a drive for one boot, and can set a non protected area, so students can save documents localy.

    1. Re:Its Too Bad.... by Rosonowski · · Score: 1

      While Deep Freeze is nice, I would recommend having some sort of external server to load files from. Saving files locally, in my experience, always ends up a disaster.

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    2. Re:Its Too Bad.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That may be true, but i did have students fill my mac server with 16 gigs of itunes audio, the server reached capacity and crashed, had to retype all the users into it.

      BTW, i am a senior in high school, yet i know more about managing a mac lab than the teacher

  52. oops by colmore · · Score: 3, Informative

    Since i've been thinking a lot recently about becoming a highschool teacher, i just read it that way.

    Anyway, yeah, make sure you teach them to be a bit more critical readers than me.

    And apply for a room transfer. A computer classroom is a gimmick. Gimmicks have their place in highschool - it's your job to hold their attention even if they'd rather be 100 miles away, but in college anyone who doesn't feel like learning can just leave. The computers will only distract the students. They can post to a blog using library computers or their own computers during time outside of class. I promise you that your class will go better if you get a better room. Ideally one with a table like I talked about above.

    Oh and you weren't very clear in your question: is this an English class as in books and composition, or teaching the English language to those who don't know it? There are a variety of useful computer applications for learning language. Literature on the other hand is for dead trees and human discussion. Your students will be reading their email and not listening if you put computers in front of them.

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    1. Re:oops by Cyno · · Score: 1

      Well, I teach computers a bit and what I try to do is find something entertaining to reward the student, like with Linux you can show use applications that play music or games as a tool to teach how Linux works. If you could do something similar around English, perhaps using the computer to search for information to help with composition or literature, or using the thesaurus and dictionary in a word processor might be a beginning. I think there may be some clever ways to teach people involving mutlimedia video, audio, computers and various types of software including games and network/P2P apps that improve communication, collaboration, etc. Learning isn't necessarily an individual experience, sometimes we learn by watching our peers perform the same tasks. Sometimes we learn only by doing it ourselves. I don't know, but I think if we're creative we can learn more, faster.

      Perhaps one day we will discover the true art of education and learn how to produce some sort of media that could teach anything to anyone extremely efficiently and prepare a willing brain to recieve any amount of knowledge for any topic and retain it in a very short amount of time. Perhaps not. But it might be fun to experiment.

  53. Prior knowledge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Will your students be able to type?
    Do they have experience using a computer?
    Are they comfortaqble using a mouse?
    Do they know where the any key is?

    The first thing I was taught in my teacher ed classes was not to assume any prior knowledge.

    My advice would be to forget the computer room for teaching English. If not your class will turn into a computer class.

  54. The answer is Don't by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If you don't have a reason for using computers, then just don't use them. I think putting computers in educational settings in many cases is just plain dumb. Why can't you just teach the materials, then let students create and turn in assignments electronically. That doesn't require computers in the classrooom, unless you are given to let students do their assignments during class.

    Now if there is an additional "writting lab" or something like that that isn't instructional, but hands on (in otherwords the students are expected to be doing something rather than lectured at) that is a great use for a computer lab. Each student can use the time to do what they need to do.

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  55. Why not use a forum/bulletin board? by Jorge+Pereira · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, you could try setting up a forum. I'd go for that in favour of your standard weblog (not that a forum can't be made into a weblog).
    Setting up a forum allows you to create different areas, with diferent themes. It could also be interesting that users could pick their own avatars, theme, and you can set static user titles, titles by post count, etc.

    phpBB is incredibly easy to setup. If you have a running DB (MySQL, PgSQL, whatever), instalation is is a snap. I suggest you take a look at it. Visit their Community Forums for an example.

    Other software you could take a peek at:
    OpenBB - another great forum system
    Course forum - never tried it, looks good

    I've also used InvisionBB, which I don't know the URL offhand.

  56. Slashorcizes instead of busy work... by Dareth · · Score: 2, Funny

    Have them correct the spelling/grammar errors for any 100 slashdot posts for a particular article.

    Shouldn't be to hard to find them errors eh?

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    1. Re:Slashorcizes instead of busy work... by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

      100 posts would take all day .. just limit it to the stories posted by Taco.

  57. Privacy concerns by drdale · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One thing to investigate when you are setting this up is your school's policies on student privacy. At my university, at least, we have to be a little careful about letting students see other students' work. I often do (low-tech) peer review sessions; I will have students read drafts of each others' papers and give comments. It is all anonymous, because in my classes I never have students put their names on any assignment or exam; I do it all my grading by the last 4 digits of their ID numbers. And it is voluntary; I do this on the day papers are due, and those who choose to participate in the peer review get an extension to make corrections. If you choose not to participate, you simply turn in your final draft that day (and leave class early!). Still, my dean told me last term that I need to start having students sign a sheet in which they formally waive their right to privacy and agree to participate in the review.

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  58. Teacher problem, not computer problem by fm6 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Sounds like your instructors are not very good at maintaining the interest of their students. If you need "enforcement" to maintain the attention of the class, something's really wrong with the way the class is being taught.

    I adhere to the other extreme: school computers should not be in "computer labs". Students should be using them all the time: taking notes, looking up references on the internet, IMing relevent data to classmates without disturbing the class as a whole, etc. Yeah, this can be abused. But if students are not motivated and involved in the classwork, they'll find ways to goof off, period.

    Don't take my word for it. Look at schools that have followed this philosophy. Higher test scores, increased attendance, increased interest in writing...

    1. Re:Teacher problem, not computer problem by JeffTL · · Score: 1

      I think college students should have to have 802.11b laptops.

    2. Re:Teacher problem, not computer problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my highschool in Denmark we have netcaables hanging down from the roof and more than the ½ of the pupils have a laptop. Beleive me, it's not the teachers fault! Not even my favorite chemistry teacher, jumping around and making bombs, can get my attention when I am sucked into the internet! For next year I have decided to leave my laptop at home and use paper and a plain calculator instead.

    3. Re:Teacher problem, not computer problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Look at schools that have followed this philosophy [of using computers everywhere]. Higher test scores, increased attendance, increased interest in writing...

      ...higher per-capita income, better educated parents, etc.

      The relationship between income and, say, high-school test scores is so strong that it's not even worth giving the test. Just put an economic map over the state/country/whatever and assign high test scores to the people in the rich areas. The test scores will be statistically identical and it'll save a lot of screwing around giving tests.

  59. Squishdot on Zope by snerfu · · Score: 0

    I think the Squishdot product on Zope makes for a pretty nice weblog. It has nice easy control setting for allowing others to moderate and post things. I have never used slashcode, its probably the same way.

  60. Provide it as an alternative by Spasemunki · · Score: 1
    My experience taking classes where computer postings were required has been that the posts quickly become dismissed as busy work. Many people ignore them, or make only a token effort. They put in less effort than they would if they had to discuss in class, because a lame post to a course web site gets ignored in the flury of posts before the deadline for the weeks response, whereas there's no way to step back from a moronic comment made in a regular discussion. So I would recommend against required web/blog based assignments. Particularly in non-technical courses, they often seem contrived.

    On the other hand, an idea that several of my professirs took up was to allow students to use computer-based forums (web boards, email lists, etc.) as alternatives to class participation. In some cases, students who were obviously petrafied of speaking in front of a live class could offer insightful comments and lively debate via a web forum or email list. Meanwhile, folks like myself who enjoyed shooting their mouths off in front of the prof kept discussions going in the physical world. By having the class room and online activities compliment eachother, rather than forcing one or the other down the throat of a student for whom they might not be appropriate, you give some folks who might not otherwise contribute an opportunity to get more out of (and give more to) the class.

    Another useful thing that I've seen in non-tech courses is providing access to sources via a course web site. This is, unfortunately, subject to a variety of copyright restrictions, but students appreciate being able to get sources as a pdf or other document via a web site rather than having to trek out to a library reserve and feed their laundry money into a copying machine. It also has the advantage that no single student (or subset of students) can tie up a resource during a critical period- such as right before a paper or test. I had a professor who would post copies of articles from his private collection of out-of-print sources on obscure East and Central Asian history as pdf or ps documents on the course site, and their availability this way saved a lot of time and money in trying to track down sources.

    So the overall recommendation would be this; make it flexible, make it helpful, and make it appropriate for the medium. If you can't say definitively "this is so much better than doing it offline", then it probably means you're about to embark on a serious folly.

  61. if you have good LCD display by stonebeat.org · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    you can use the classroom as a theater to watch terminator 3. atleast that is what we did, when i was in school :)

    1. Re:if you have good LCD display by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Yeah, I remember the weekend Terminator 3 came out. It was so great because -- wait, no I don't! Probably because it didn't come out yet.

  62. Anonymous posting/critique by Double-O-Penguin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you have any sort of online posting/review process where the students can view and critique an essay or other assignment, it would probably be wise to allow for anonymous posting and response.

    The critique portion being anonymous is simple. If someone wants to point out negative aspects of the assignment, they don't have to worry about the other students thinking they are a "teacher's pet" or just being malicious. Once the novelty of posting anonymously wears off, you should start getting some honest feedback. Of course, you'll need some mechanism to prevent responses that don't fit within guidelines set forth at the beginning of the course.

    The anonymous nature for the author is, perhaps, not as necessary. It would allow a student who is below the average level of ability to escape being branded as "slow". Some teachers in my past felt that embarassment was a powerful motivating force. I don't think I agree with that. Embarassment is always associated negatively. Why would anyone think a negative emotion would encourage a positive reaction? Maybe that's just me...

    You could also throw in a few "fake" anonymous essays along the way. Perhaps they would reinforce or remind the students of topics covered a week or two ago, or possibly introduce a new topic coming in the next couple of classes.

  63. Freshman english.. no problem by arcanumas · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Freshman English you said? no problem!
    Just install some FreeBSD's with the Lynx browser, make them write their work in SGML using vi.
    Then, if you see someone whose eyes don't roll like a Slot machine when you announce this , let him browse Slashdot while the others concentrate on your teachings.

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  64. I had a class like this by kenneth_martens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My freshman year of college I had an English professor who focused on teaching us to write for an online audience.

    To illustrate the difference between writing for print and writing for the web, one of our projects was to write a research paper and then adapt the content for a website. She taught us the bare basics of HTML, as well as some design styles.

    But the main thing she focused on was how we had to adapt the content for the medium. Paragraphs had to be much shorter--preferably not paragraphs at all, but rather a list of bullet points. As a rule of thumb, she told us that we had to cut the length of the information to 25% of the length of the paper. Much less than that and you lose important information; much more and you lose the interest of the audience.

    Also, she demanded that the websites be readable in any page order. No fair making users click through the pages in order, because they simply won't do it. So while you can lay out a nice long cohesive argument in a research paper, you can't do that in a website. You have to post your conclusions right on the home page, and then have links to other pages that have supporting material, but in such a way that each page can be read without having read or seen any of the other pages.

    Competant communication in online media is a deceptively difficult skill, so if you can teach your students a few simple things like that (and if they actually learn) you will have helped them immensely.

  65. Do you really want peer critiques? by MemRaven · · Score: 4, Informative
    It seems like you're looking at a situation where everybody's going to be roughly on the same level, which probably means that they're not going to be too advanced. Remember, you're the instructor. That presumably means that you have more insight than they do, and that they're in your class to gain your insight. With that in mind, do you think having Sally critique Bob's work is going to be more useful than your critiqing Bob's work in the first place? In fact, if you then posted the results to the class saying "this is what made Bob's work good; this is what made Bob's work bad," that would probably be far more useful than having Sally spout out drivel at Bob. After all, you're not going to be able to review every comment, so how do you know that Sally won't tell Bob lies (inadvertant or not) and overall reduce Bob's skills even more?

    This is not to say that you will end up with a bunch of people who are morons critiquing everybody else's work and ending up with them all dumbing down even more, but it's a possibility. Another possibility is that they'll all rise to a level of Borg-like hive mind and produce amazing work. Personally, I'd bet on the former more often than the latter. Although in classroom settings people often open up the door to peer review and discussion about works and ideas, it's almost always moderated and on subject, so that the instructor/moderator immediately has the opportunity to call "Bullshit" when Sally is full of it, or "Bravo" when she has a deep insight. If you've got blogs gone crazy, you don't have that control.

    Peer review on something technical probably works much better because you're focused on getting something done, and on getting the correct results.

    It might be better if we knew what type of English class this is? Are you teaching them the basics of the English language? Are you teaching creative writing? Is it literature, comparative or not? Is it focused on a particular style of writing and literature? English covers so many different things that the possibilities for effective use of technology are really different for each of them.

    But something that you probably should do if you don't pay heed to the many people telling you to get the heck out of hte computer lab for the English class is something I've seen for business meetings. They're systems which are essentially whiteboards where students can post questions online for you to cover during the lecture, as well as comments, anonymous or not. So if you're covering Wuthering Heights and aren't properly covering the psychosis of Heathcliff, someone can say something like "Please cover more Heathcliff's obvious lack of proper seratonin function" or even just "slow down, you're going too fast" and you (and/or everybody else) can see and/or respond live.

    1. Re:Do you really want peer critiques? by tres · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One of the most insightful and effective ways I've seen peer-reveiw used was by having people respond to essays they liked.

      Each student was assigned to quickly review everyone else's submission for that week and choose at least two essays that they wanted to respond to.

      The incentive, was purely positive. As a student you push yourself harder not only because your paper would be available for public review, but also to get positive feedback from classmates.

      Unlike most classroom peer-review, the feedback was sincere. Because everything took place in a public forum, where both essays and responses were in public view, the writer was accountable to the auditors of the work.

      Traditional peer-review doesn't work, because students either tear each other down, with very little intellectual prowess, or bolster each other so that when it becomes their turn, their feelings won't get hurt. Ninety percent of the time, students are judging other students, not the merits of the work.

      Peer-review where both essays and responses are to be audited by the rest of the students makes peer-review a much more effective tool. It holds each individual accountable not only to the faculty responsible for teaching the class, but also to the rest of the class.

      The key to this whole thing is that the "teacher" must also be a part of this process. Actively responding to each essay from each student.

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    2. Re:Do you really want peer critiques? by ChinaCatSunflower · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Peer critiques are a valid form of audience feedback and key to receiving feedback about writing. While it is important that peer critiques are not the only form of feedback (instructor drafts are vital to improving writing), this does not mean that students are not capable of rhetorically analyzing student writing in addition to analyzing "professional writing."

      Under less informed instructors, perhaps the peer critique process can degrade into "the blind leading the blind." However, just because a few instructors aren't managing the process appropriately does not mean that the experience cannot be valuable. Proper instructor preparation and guidance can lead to a valuable experience. My students usually start out hating peer critiques, but by the end of the quarter they appreciate the opportunity to learn from each other and receive additional feedback and perspective.

      Without peer critiques, the instructor becames the dictator. Sharing writing and approaches to writing is vital to improvement.

    3. Re:Do you really want peer critiques? by MemRaven · · Score: 1
      I agree that it could be done. But note that I was pretty specifically referring to the problem where there would be so much critiquing going on that the teacher would be unable to stay in the process, and thus would end up in bad critiquing. The fact that you have a moderator there to help with the critiquing process is the way that critiquing helps.

      Of course, if it's not a creative writing course, and it's something like freshman literature, where they might not really know what they're talking about, I'm not sure how much peer critiquing would help anyway.

  66. A couple of negatives but at least a suggestion... by WgT2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have taken 3 graduate classes that were internet based. My experience is that unless I just absolutely enjoy the subject being taught then forcing me to do online that which could be done, the real interactive way, in class is a horrible waste of your students' time. So,please don't rob your students of the valuable input that comes from the spontaneous interaction that can only happen in a classroom setting, especially when it comes to asking for critiques of one another. Doing this in class or face to face can save lots of their time. However, you can have students post the process that a particular paper is going through; their changes and what not. For instance: documenting in a blog what he/she incorporated from student X's critique. I have six years of paid teaching experience in Spanish and just as many in other areas on a volunteer basis...

  67. rotflmaostc by Klimaxor · · Score: 1

    If you're going to be using computers as a major medium in your teaching, why not include in the subject(s) Internet Lingo (also known as Ebonics for Geeks) and all the pretty acronyms people come up with for...EVERYTHING. With all the Text Messaging done with cell phones, and now being carried over more and more onto the internet, it's able to become an acceptable form of the English Language. It may seem lazy, but i see more and more people, even those that are older, using it. Why not give the students an advantage with being taught about it, where it originated from, and all the many uses for it. This may, infact, be a good learning experience for yourself, since i'm sure most of your students know most of it already. Make it a big group discussion, ask around the room for different ones, and opinions on them, and most of all, have fun. Students seem to have the ability to learn things better if it's something that they use out of school, and if you can link these things to more of the basics of English, they just might understand :D

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  68. Lord of the Files by mikeophile · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Thanks for the karma, but I was being a little sarcastic. Since no one is calling me on it, I'll do it myself.

    Giving an elite few the ability to moderate posts on the basis of favoritism barely works on Slashdot, let alone a high school classroom.

    Imagine the resentment that could be generated towards the class mods for weighted moderation.

    Imagine the abuse of power that a mod could use against a classmate they didn't like.

    Teachers have favored students, no question. But giving mod points on that basis would undermine at least the illusion of fairness.

    I think the only reason Slashdot works at all is the relative anonymity of the posters. Most moderation here seems to be on the basis of the posts alone.

    If you use Slashcode in the classroom , give everyone a mod point per topic. I think it will save you a lot of headache later.

    If anyone thinks this is some sort of commentary about our beloved Slashdot , you might be right. I'm only a little bitter about never getting any mod points myself.

    1. Re:Lord of the Files by mlush · · Score: 1
      Giving an elite few the ability to moderate posts on the basis of favoritism barely works on Slashdot, let alone a high school classroom.

      As you say the reason that Slashdot does work is that he proceedings are pretty much anonymous the reason it won't work in classrooms is because everyone knows everyone very well

      One option that comes to mind would be to truely anonymise the comments and moderation by grouping triplets of (distant) school districts. Schools in disctict A would post essays, comment on district B's essays and moderate the district C's discussion, Districts B and C would meta moderate district A. A would have right to reply via posting further essays. and so on...

      one problem I could see is that the districts are running on different curriculum at different times, however I think that could be healthy for B and C to discuss things outside their own classes

      The other problem would be its an admin nightmare :-)

  69. Tail wagging the dog.. by rsheridan6 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Have you really asked yourself why you want to use computers so badly? These students should be learning how to write a coherent paragraph. I really don't see how a blog is going to help.

    This sounds like 1998 style overenthusiasm for the net.

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    1. Re:Tail wagging the dog.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, goodness knows we can't use computers to write things.

  70. Better question: by Kupek · · Score: 1

    What is gained from using a computer in a classroom? If you can't answer that question, then don't do it. There are plenty of good uses for computers as resources for the course (writing papers, research, email listservs, class messageboards), but having every student on a computer during class time sounds like it would take away from teaching English.

    For every thing you come up with, ask yourself if that could just as easily be done outside of class - the blogging suggestion does not need to be done during class time. The computers will be a distraction. I think they will be more likely to hinder teaching than help it.

  71. weblog... ok, but... by pyrrho · · Score: 1

    the Wiki is the new real medium.

    An easy way to write. Content oriented. Accessible from anywhere.

    wiki wiki wiki.

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  72. The Wiki Way by fm6 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Ditto that. But go to the source. Wikis were invented by Ward Cunningham, and he's collaborated with Bo Leuf to write an excellent hands-on introduction to the Wiki phenomenon. And if you or any of your students knows a little Perl, you can tweak the source code (which is disturbingly short!) for your own purposes.

    Warning: the book was originally bundled with a CD with all the Perl source files in Mac format. (Sad how often this happens.) Perl interpreters on other platforms don't grok this, so they withdrew this printing and replaced it with a corrected version. The screwed-up version was sold off to remainder houses. You can save money buying the screwed up copies, but you have to convert the files, or download corrected files.

    1. Re:The Wiki Way by Crash+Culligan · · Score: 1
      Warning: the book was originally bundled with a CD with all the Perl source files in Mac format. (Sad how often this happens.) Perl interpreters on other platforms don't grok this, so they withdrew this printing and replaced it with a corrected version. The screwed-up version was sold off to remainder houses.
      I think the greatest irony of the decision to do this is that you can change the linefeed characters with a Perl one-liner:

      perl -pi -e 's/\n/\r/g' mac_file.txt
      will produce a UNIX-formatted file from a Mac-formatted file. Ahhh, interoperability. Of course, this implies that the person trying to use the source code on the CD has some form of Perl installed to make those changes -- oh, wait...

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  73. it's usually to catch cheating by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Usually the way these things work is by comparing against a giant database of "papers available on the web" and using various algorithms for judging similarity. This catches at least 95% of people who downloaded a paper from the web and made minor changes to it. In CS, where submissions are usually electronic, profs will often augment this database with all previous submissions for the course, sometimes dating back a decade or so. This catches at least 95% of people who copied an assignment from a friend who took the class a year or two ago (or even someone who graduated 5 years ago) and made minor changes (like search-replace on variable names, or some minor structural reworking) to it. Obviously this is harder to do in the humanities, unless you require electronic submissions in some format parsable as text or you OCR everything turned in.

    As for unattributed quotes, you're certainly correct there. It's a completely intractable problem: the only way to know for sure that a particular sentence (or paragraph) was not plagiarized from somewhere is to check it against every single paragraph ever written in the history of the written word. Checking against some common sources might work decently though, especially if limited to a specific field (i.e. you can probably catch a significant percentage of plagiarized paragraphs in an anthropology paper by using a database of the 1000 most-cited anthropology books/papers).

    But in any case, these things are mainly targetted at outright cheating: copying entire essays or large portions of essays from someone else.

    1. Re:it's usually to catch cheating by 876 · · Score: 1

      Googlewhacking is also somewhat effective for this purpose. Place a phrase or sentence from the paper in quotes, and search for it on Google. If the student cheated off a web resource, it's likely that it'll be one of the first result of the search. I have seen this technique used effectively in practice many times..

  74. TWiki is a nice tool by Joey+Patterson · · Score: 4, Informative

    One very nice implementation of the wiki concept is TWiki. My school's CS department has its own TWiki set up, divided into subwebs for many different courses. The courses on our wiki are almost all Computer Science courses, but there are a few First Year Seminar webs (located here, here, and here) that might give you some ideas as to how to use a wiki in a non-technical class.

  75. another funny unrelated lab story. by Brigadier · · Score: 1



    We did this all the time in our CAD labs and Structural Systems lab class. Where ever you were on campus we could log into our vax acount then intern log unto IRC, or e-mail. One teacher had a system of walking around the classroom then reading peoples e-mail out loud. It was pretty funny when one girls crush became public as she desperately tried turning off her monitor.

    1. Re:another funny unrelated lab story. by TWX · · Score: 1

      That's what asinine fonts are for. I have better vision than most of my college professors, and "screen" is my friend. Ctrl-A-D is not always possible before they've noticed the non-curriculum content exists, but it gets the job done before they have time to read what is on the console, because of the nasty font.

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  76. Everything2 comes to mind by jbischof · · Score: 1
    I would like to suggest websites similar to Everything2. Everything2 has drastically improved my writing skill and it is a great website designed from the ground up for authors. They tend to enforce strict grammar and spelling and it already has a support system and rating system built in. Students could write on literally any topic, and you could have them monitor the write-ups/essays to see how the general E2 populous reacts.

    You can write weblogs, technical articles, reviews, however the majority of the content seems to be well-written stories. Users of E2 vote on write ups and the authors can see its overall score. There is a lengthy list of editors and management persons who, I am sure, would be more than happy to help you with a project like this.

    You may have to be careful about what they read, however, there are a couple "explicit" write ups. But it is all text - no pictures and anything extremely vulgar or inappropriate gets removed.

    The site is interesting to browse around and contains lots of good stuff, which helped me realize the true difference between quality literature and normal bland cookie-cutter writing.

  77. I think I saw this argument before by mikeophile · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Movable type on a press is best left to mechanical fields. Plus you have the problem of the learning curve - how much will it take people to figure out how to properly use whatever technology you require of them? Remember, it doesn't matter if you think it's easy - if it gives them any kind of trouble, you're going to have to take time away from what you're supposed to be teaching to help with with the technology.

    I say, leave technology out of English. Time would be better spent teaching the way that it has worked for hundreds of years - without the computer. Sure, printing presses can aid those with good type setting skills in getting a paper done faster, but they far and away are useless in such courses as a teaching aid. If it were an engineering course, I would say differently - the world has changed much through the transition from cuniform to inked quills to illumination. But leave English out of it.

  78. Annotation of literature by Alien+Being · · Score: 1

    Put the book online and let any reader select a block of text and associate it with a thread of discussion. The text would then be highlighted so that other readers would know that it is being discussed.

  79. calculator by sugarmotor · · Score: 1

    The students could use the computers to add and subtract!

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  80. Instant, Anonymous Feedback by ancarett · · Score: 1

    Speaking as a longtime prof, one way to spark lively discussion in a computer classroom is to set up an anonymous quiz/voting booth. Technically it's a simple operation: set up a javascript on your class webpage, use a bit of perl or whatever suits your educational software.

    Let's say you're teaching a rhetoric course: use a voting booth to let the students vote which of two takes on a topic was the more persuasive. Then the class discussion can roll on into the why.

    Many students feel inhibited from raising the hands or expressing their views verbally in class. But when they see that 33% of their classmates voted the same way they did, they might be more inclined to speak to the point.

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  81. "Cool ideas"? How about focusing our your job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want "Cool ideas"? It sounds to me like the computers in your classroom are there for novelty value rather than education purposes.

    Focus on your job, which is teaching English, grading your students' papers, and discussing the appropriate literature.

    J.R.R. Tolkien never had a computer, and he wrote masterpieces. J.R. Kipling, Hemingway, Steinbeck, Faulkner, Melville, and Poe didn't have computers; can you imagine how computers would have improved their skills?

    J.K. Rowling doesn't even use a word processor; she just writes her Harry Potter masterpieces in long hand on a yellow pad of paper. (That's a bit extreme.)

    How many of your students are going to win a Pulitzer Prize, a Nobel Prize in literature, or even write a book worthy of Oprah's book club?

    You should concentrate on that. If you want to be "innovative" in education, make sure you have a set of results that you will achieve. Otherwisee if you want to play with computers, switch to another job. Don't waste your students' or taxpayers' money just so you can goof around pretending to be "innovative".

  82. Re:A couple of negatives but at least a suggestion by sleeper0 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I agree with the above poster.

    In the early 90's I worked on a project sponsored by AT&T to install classrooms of the future in a few universities. While there are undoubtedly things we did poorly and have been improved upon, one of the most striking findings of the project was that some classes did very poorly in the room. They had booked a variety in the theater the first year and found while some technology & science classes obviously benfitted a lot, other classes such a arts & history had a harder time in the room than in a normal classroom.

    A few of the findings:
    * students often appeared more distracted
    * time spent learning software was not made up in efficiency
    * less personal contact with the professor & with the material
    * transient failures would disrupt the class

    If you are searching for ways to use the classroom i would wager that at least to a degree you will be changing your course from english to one that also involves learning about computers or techniques such as blogs. Is that really what you want to teach? If it was me i would seriously consider asking for a room change or for students to turn off the computers during the class but i'm no professor.

    Don't get me wrong they had great uses but i think the biggest thing we learned (somewhat as suspected) was that they are not for everything.

  83. Structural Document Formatting by temojen · · Score: 1

    This is just my opinion, but...

    Try to get them to think about the structure of their documents, rather than just the appearance.

    What is a sentence, what is a paragraph? What is a section, and a chapter?

    If you can get them to think more about the structure, flow, and content of their writing, it'll help a lot more in the long run than having a huge selection of fonts.

  84. WTF? by Realistic_Dragon · · Score: 1

    They are getting access to computers for a non-technical class? Your budget must be way too high.

    Computers make no sense at all for this kind of thing - except possible for rock bottom (~$100) old machines that can function as a cheap yet flexible typewriter. You want them to lean how to write, not how to participate in the endless circle jerk that is blogs (and /.... oh, um, never mind then).

    At least make them write their essay in vi - that way they might learn something useful at the same time.

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    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And make them format their essays in LaTeX. That way they will learn about logical structure in writing, and also acquire the useful skill of being able to produce a paper that looks professional and aesthetically pleasing, regardless of the content.

  85. I don't think so... by TWX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have to disagree. People will, by their very nature, take the path of least resistance, for what they want to do. If you provide a kid, an adolescent, or a college student with something that they would rather be doing, rather than the prescribed activity, they will do what they want, more often than not.

    Education is dictatorial. You're not supposed to get what you want, you're supposed to get what the educational institution offers. By and large, students don't like this. The ones that do are usually in classes whose names are appended in "A", "AP", and "H", and even there you find the bored genius going insane. (S)he'll learn if you provide the knowledge, but if you provide a ready-made distraction, you've just lost.

    English needs to be taught in an an immersive way, in my opinion. Computers do not help English instruction.

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  86. Think Network Not Computer Re:I had a computer lab by leoaugust · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I think that you should not be using the computing aspect of the computer, but should be using its memory aspect.

    And, your Weblog idea falls in the memory space. You are trying to save the written conversations with one or many in a chronological fashion. So, in a way you are trying to create an institutional memory.

    You could show your students what a wonderful "institutional memory" Google is. Do searches or exact quotes by remembering just a few words of the quote. By showing how easy it is, you can teach your students to be more precise in their use of references and paraphrasing ideas.

    You could also show the students a wealth of english literature on the web that is freely available, You could introduce them to efforts like the Guttenburg project http://www.gutenberg.net/ and let them know that good books don't have to be expensive or out of easy reach locked up in some library somewhere.

    You could explain to the students as to how things can be so easily checked for plagiarism, that it is better to give credit where it is due rather than claim it. It might help cultivate a new generation that has no hesitation in acknowledging where the ideas came from - thus, later allowing for a better public discourse in their civic life.

    You could show them the power of weblogs in the evolution of ideas, by exposing the various stages of idea development to criticism by peers - seen and unseen. Though a lone author can come up with a great work after being in isolation, I think the probability if a great work is higher if it is exposed to some criticism as the ideas are coalescing in the writers mind. You could also introduce them to literary discussion groups.

    You could expose your students to the chunking of ideas in electronic and cyberspace , because ideas have to be expressed in screenfuls, and thus a sort of an unnatural frame is created around the idea. You could also expose them to the different style of organization of chunks of ideas needed when the reader has some element of choice in deciding the sequence. If there is another post on this subject soon, I will try to put more of my thoughts across. I think, as long as you keep you focus correct, and not get caught in the computing aspect, by explore the networking aspect, you can't go wrong. After all, what is writing - it is just a network of words and ideas.

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  87. Re:A couple of negatives but at least a suggestion by saberworks · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The question is about teaching in a classroom that has a bunch of computers, not about teaching over the internet. The question is asking: "What can I do to take advantage of the computers that will be in front of every student?"

  88. You moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly how many English classes have ever used a printing press? This tired rhetorical technique is even worse when the idiot using it makes a bad analogy.

    1. Re:You moron by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That tired rhetorical technique is almost as bad as accusing someone of using a tired rhetorical technique.

  89. Think of it... by Whispers_in_the_dark · · Score: 1

    ...a whole university class full of fresh-monkeys armed with a high-school grasp of English are provided with glorified electronic typewriters. Creation of whole new works of Shakespeare should be right around the corner. :)

    (Yes, I know they tried that experiment already. Maybe this bunch won't make a mess on the keyboards.)

  90. Web Mall That held Classes on IRC by b29651 · · Score: 1

    We had a targeted group and taught free classes to sell the Mall Vendors Products. It made pretty good income for them.It is a way to to give them new ideas for maybe targeting online businesses

  91. Beyond the obvious.... by Etienne+Steward · · Score: 2, Informative

    (such as word processing and virtual meeting and collaborative tools that won't require groups to meet in the same place to work on group presentations/papers, for example)...There is the use of that technology for flushing out the "quiet ones" who normally wouldn't have the force of personality to cut across the background noise to support their assertions. Should make the class more lively.

    Students could challenge each other's assertions with alternate, internet, sources. Isn't the OED online?

    Of course, it raises the bar on your ability to impart knowledge in an insightful and engaging way, since you will, in effect, be competing with the computers.

    You could have a website for your tests. No (hardcopy) papers. This would probably be most helpful for final exam, since you could make it live at the beginning of finals and then pull it down at midnight on the last day finals.

    Who am I? Why should you listen?

    I was an English major (B.A.) who now codes for a living (double minor in Computer Info Systems and TESL - and for the Lingustically Challenged, that's Teaching English as a Second Language).

    Good luck. It's the wave of the future.

  92. "Cool ideas"? How about focusing our your job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You want "Cool ideas"? It sounds to me like the computers in your classroom are there for novelty value rather than education purposes.

    Focus on your job, which is teaching English, grading your students' papers, and discussing the appropriate literature.

    J.R.R. Tolkien never had a computer, and he wrote masterpieces. Twain, Dickens, Kipling, Hemingway, Steinbeck, Faulkner, Melville, and Poe didn't have computers; can you imagine how computers would have affected their skills?

    J.K. Rowling doesn't even use a word processor; she just writes her Harry Potter masterpieces in long hand on a yellow pad of paper. (That's a bit extreme.)

    How many of your students are going to win a Pulitzer Prize or a Nobel Prize in literature? How many of your students will write a book worthy of Oprah's Book Club (TM)?

    You should concentrate on that. If you want to be "innovative" in education, make sure you have a set of measurable results that you will achieve. Otherwise if you want an excuse to play with computers, switch to another job. Don't waste your students' or taxpayers' money just so you can goof around pretending to be "innovative".

    1. Re:"Cool ideas"? How about focusing our your job? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm just wondering how J.K. Rowling found her way into the same post as Tolkien, Twain, or Hemingway.

      Certainly Harry Potter is entertaining, but it is by no means the fine dining of the literary world. More like a John Grisham, or a Michael Crichton, or a Danielle Steele (sp?) - the drive-thru restaurant equivalents.

      I get frustrated when we get popularity and quality confused.

  93. It's a computer design issue. by Nindalf · · Score: 1

    Desktop computers are designed to take the user's full attention. They've got a big screen right up in your face and the keyboard and mouse demands use when your hands itch to fidget. It doesn't help that a hundred pleasant distractions wait a few commands away, but I don't think it's the main issue.

    Also, I don't know about you, but when I look away from a CRT, the flickering activates my primitive motion vision and draws my eyes back.

    Pen computers would be much better suited to classroom use. Current desktops just demand too much of your attention.

    1. Re:It's a computer design issue. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like time to pick a screen frequency other than 60Hz interlaced....

  94. Thank you Bill Bennet by fm6 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    You've just given a prime example of what's wrong with most debates about education. It's all idealogy, and no facts

    You've got a lot of half-assed generalizations and pet theories. My lack of interest in these is extreme. Let's talk about real-world teachers. I've known good ones and bad ones. Good ones don't care about distractions -- they even use them. Bad ones blame their failures on distractions, immoral influences, "human nature" -- everything except their own lack of skill.

    But I am grateful to you for one thing: you've made me invent a new epigram: Fascism is the last refuge of the inept.

  95. web board abuse by cosyne · · Score: 1

    We used to have web boards for some classes in colloge. You were supposed to read the material and post a comment or question about it ahead of time, which could be used to drive discussion in class.

    One practice was to wait until shortly before class started, check the discussion board, pick a comment by someone you didn't like, and post a comment about how you disagreed with everything they said. I could see how that kind of environment could get ugly on a slashcode site.

    That being said, if everyone had some mod points, and the prof did a reasonable job of checking for abuses, I think it could work. Most people would think twice about posting obnoxious trolls or flamebait if they're being graded on their participation.

  96. My advice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just don't do it. Teach English. Earn your money the old fashioned way. Computers in the classroom won't help you if you can't teach without them.

  97. You Obviously Don't Teach by Myriad · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Sounds like your instructors are not very good at maintaining the interest of their students. If you need "enforcement" to maintain the attention of the class, something's really wrong with the way the class is being taught.

    Obviously YANAT. As someone who is, let me respond to this:

    Just as you can't please all of the people all of the time, you are not going to have every student totally interested and completely focused all of the time. The only way you might be able to achieve this (for a brief period) is with some theatrics which probably adds nothing to the lesson as a whole.

    Now, lets say a student mind wanders off... if there are few other distractions one of two things are likely to happen:
    - The student will daydream a bit then snap out of it, or
    - The student will daydream for the rest of the class.

    Either way it's an isolated student. They may miss the lesson entirely, but that's their problem later on.

    Now, lets create an environment where it is easy for someone to access the web, IRC, IM, etc:

    The same student drifts off and decides to check, say, Slashdot. They start reading an article. Decide to post a response, etc. Suddenly 20 minutes has gone by. At this point even if they turn back to the lesson odds are they've fallen way behind in it and will have trouble following it. This can lead to less than brilliant questions about content covered 10 minutes before - wasting other peoples time (and irritating those who are paying attention). They may distract and disturb those around them.

    You're right when you say if they're not interested they'll find ways of goofing off. But when it's a student on their own they aren't likely to disturb others, or encourage them to stop paying attention. If they're ICQing classmates, banging away during a lecture, and what not, they are far more likely to be a disturbance to others.

    Since we are in networked computer lab, and actually need it for our classes, this sort of thing can happen. The students who are totally wiped out from work and need a few Zzzz's I'll tend to leave alone. Those who are just goofing off, well, they get called on a lot. Hearing your name and looking up to see the lecture has stopped and everyone is staring at you tends to encourage people to follow along.

    Learning is work, nobody likes work. It's a balance though, a sterile and boring class will hold nobody's attention. You try to mix things up and keep it interesting as much as you can while keeping it relevant... but sometimes rules and enforcement are needed for the good of both the distracted student, as well as the class as a whole.

    (and this is coming from a one time class clown turned into College teacher. If I ever had myself as a student, I'd have kicked my own ass!)

    Blockwars: you know you wanna play.

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    1. Re:You Obviously Don't Teach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      >banging away during a lecture, and what not

      Sounds like an interesting class ;-)

    2. Re:You Obviously Don't Teach by el_chicano · · Score: 1
      IANAT but I do tech support for over 100 of them for a community college where I have also been taking computer classes the last three years. With over 300 college hours I am pretty familar with the student role too. I generally agree with you but I have a few comments:

      The same student drifts off and decides to check, say, Slashdot. They start reading an article. Decide to post a response, etc. Suddenly 20 minutes has gone by. At this point even if they turn back to the lesson odds are they've fallen way behind in it and will have trouble following it.

      That assumes that the student in question can't multitask. In my Cisco I and II class last semester I would read Slashdot, as well as check work e-mail while maintaining several SSH and VNC sessions to my server and workstation (being on the internal network rocks!).

      Why should I have to follow along with the Cisco Flash presentation on my PC when it is being projected up on the screen? Besides you are supposed to read the material BEFORE you go to class and the instructor should be reinforcing the material. To do well in school the student needs to do the reading and preparation beforehand.

      This can lead to less than brilliant questions about content covered 10 minutes before - wasting other peoples time (and irritating those who are paying attention). They may distract and disturb those around them.

      I don't think that there is any thing as a bad question if the student does the necessary prep work, but indeed if some of your students consistently fall behind because the computer is a distraction, maybe you need to integrate the computer a little more as part of your lecture. The student's interest factor comes into play here, if you USE the computer as part of the class it does not sit there like a siren beckoning you to caress its keyboard! :->

      The students who are totally wiped out from work and need a few Zzzz's I'll tend to leave alone. Those who are just goofing off, well, they get called on a lot. Hearing your name and looking up to see the lecture has stopped and everyone is staring at you tends to encourage people to follow along.

      If the student needs to sleep, he/she should just skip the class and stay home and sleep there. They are not doing themselves or the class a service by sleeping in class and it is disrepectful to the instructor (especially if you snore loudly like me!). And how do you know they are tired from work and not because they stayed up till 2 AM partying?

      As far as your "call on the student" tactic all the student needs to do is give the instructor the right answer every time they are asked a question. Once the student does that a few times the instructor will usually stop calling on her/him. At that point you it is best to let the student in question keep quietly working on the computer in class because they are obviously keeping up with the classwork.

      Learning is work, nobody likes work. It's a balance though, a sterile and boring class will hold nobody's attention.

      I find learning fun, it does not seem like work unless I don't like the topic. That is why computer classes are so much fun when you like to work with computers (like I do) because then everything is fun -- both work and school -- so interest is not a problem. You as the instructor need to make the topic interesting, if you do the students will remember you as one of their favorite teachers even if they hate your particular subject.

      You try to mix things up and keep it interesting as much as you can while keeping it relevant... but sometimes rules and enforcement are needed for the good of both the distracted student, as well as the class as a whole.

      I hate that part of school. In my mind when schools and teachers get the students to submit to petty rules it is to shape them into good little sheep ready to enter the ca

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    3. Re:You Obviously Don't Teach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some folks have motivation to do anything other than pay attention, such as the class clown's desire to elicit a laugh. However, some people don't pay attention because they can't, and they have no choice in the matter.

      Oftentimes, I have a lot of trouble focusing on -anything- for very long. Other times I'm the most apt and aware person in the room.

      When I lose focus, I need a complete change of context, or I stay gone.

      Yeah, I might lose 20 minutes posting a reply on Slashdot. But that 20 minute lapse is certainly better than zoning for the remainder of the class, don't you think?

      You describe it as daydreaming, or sleeping, or fucking off, or some other personally-satisfying activity. I call it losing time. Life ticks by, but I'm not a part of it.

      A wasteful prospect, that, aside from being tremendously depressing. When confined to a classroom which is lead by a teacher who's into "rules and enforcement." I've lost many years of my life to such antics, and I'm not getting them back.

      Fault me for my imperfection if it is your nature to do so, but I'm wired differently than you and most other people. I accept that. It is your responsibility as a teacher to adapt to it, just as you'd be legally obligated to accommodate any other physical abnormality (visible, or not).

      If I had an acceptable form of distraction in school, I might've lasted longer than 8th grade.

      Instead, I dropped out. It worked pretty well, really.

      I went from a miserable life centered around fighting myself in school, to learning whatever I felt was interesting at the time. The depression, which I'd had so long that I thought everyone felt that way all the time, turned off like a light.

      Before you start the standard rant about how much I've missed, I'd like to suggest that I've heard it all before, and that I disagree.

      Lack of diploma? It's never been an issue. I did pick up a GED a couple of years ago, just because I could. Passed with flying colors, in short order, with no preperation and little sleep.

      At 23, I've got better, more lucrative employ than most of the poor, whiney, college-educated, post-boom geeks I see roaming around here. It's fast, ever-changing. And if I need to take a little time to play a quick game of pool or post to Slashdot to restore coherency to the world, that's OK.

      I'm quite certain that had I tried any harder to stick to the "rules and enforcement" means of accepting an education, I'd have achieved very little by this point in my life. Except, perhaps, massive debt from student loans and (if I were extremely lucky) an evidently-useless degree in something like CS, and maybe a quaint minimum-wage retail job.

      Thanks anyway, though. The whole ride has taught me quite a bit more about human intolerance and conservative thinking than any collegiate lecturer would be capable, and I'm quite certain that I'd be a weaker individual had I grown up without all of the pain they inspire.

      Now, about those classroom PCs...

    4. Re:You Obviously Don't Teach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You largely missed the point of the post... it's not all about rules and enforcement, but balance. No rules works even less than all rules. It can't be an oppressive environment, but it can't be anarchy either. The parent post suggested that no rules would be best. I disagree.

      I take breaks and surf /. at work, and I don't mind if my students do. It's when it starts to hurt their grades, becomes distruptive to others, etc, that I make a deal out of it. Hell I've told some students not to bother coming to a particular class if they have more productive things to do as I know they are comfortable with that days topic.

      As far as this part goes:

      Oftentimes, I have a lot of trouble focusing on -anything- for very long. Other times I'm the most apt and aware person in the room.

      You should seek medical help - that is not a normal condition you describe.

    5. Re:You Obviously Don't Teach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should seek medical help - that is not a normal condition you describe.

      No, it's not normal. Nor is it uncommon.

      Which is why it is my belief that I'm not the one who's broken. Rather, it is those who are stuck on the concept of normalcy being somehow superior to those deemed arbitrarily different who are the root of my scholarly difficulty.

      It's been my experience that such structure-oriented mindsets don't exist outside of factories and academia. And I find that observation somewhat odd: Factories are intended to be stiff, efficient machines, stamping out identical items over and over. If a product is non-standard, it is discarded. Schools are supposed to be creative places to inspire learning. And if a pupil is non-standard, it is discarded. The disparity of their goals clashes violently with the similarities of their form.

      Why is it that things are biased toward embarassing the class clown, while isolating those who don't have a choice about being inattentive?

      And your assertion of medical help: Yeah, whatever. I'm not broken, but different. I am intelligent, respected, and able to function justfine in the world.

      That said, I've been there, and I've done that.

      The treatment consists of one or both of the following: Drugs. Discussion.

      Drugs are a two-way street: They remove fogginess and critical thinking abilities simutaneously. It is quite hard to be "normal" when you're doped up, trying to function around sober people. They're about as pinpoint in their effect as a sawed-off 10-gauge with bird shot.

      Discussion is a dead end: There's nothing to talk about which can be improved by talking. "Yeah, Doc, the teachers make fun of me because I can't pay attention, and I feel like the other kids don't like me very well either because of that." Later: "Yeah, Doc, I'm learning all kinds of things now, and I feel pretty good. Now that I'm out of school, I've even made some new friends, and I've got a job."

      (Gee, wasn't that helpful. But my back does feel a little better, now that my wallet isn't so heavy.)

      It is apparent to me that you, along with scores of similarly-minded school teachers who've come before you, simply don't understand the nature of the problem, and seldom if ever even recognize its existance. You see things in black and white, without ever considering that there might be a shade of grey involved.

      Either you do pay attention, or you don't. Nevermind the smart kids that can't some of the time - obviously, they're inferior, and need a doctor, or something - nobody's sure. They're just not normal. Maybe we should stick 'em in that class down the hall with the slow kids?

      Meanwhile, there's Thom over there, who isn't very bright but pays superb attention to class. He gets extra help provided as needed, and still scores miserably. People pitch in to help Thom pass anyway, because everyone can see that he tries really hard.

      Does Thom need medical help, too? Of course not. It's just how Thom is, and everyone accepts that.

      To recap: Stupid people succeed if they try, because others push them ahead. Abnormally inattentive people fail even if they try, because others discount and isolate them.

      Ah, well. Perhaps I'm all wrong. Maybe the world really is better off with hordes of well-degreed idiots, than it is with a few college-educated abnormal smart folks.

      Thanks again for trying.

      Now, for my own unsolicited advice:

      Find the movie THX-1138. Watch it. You'll learn all about how remarkably bad drug-induced normalcy can be. If you still don't get it after seeing the film, seek medical help. You're clearly undermedicated.

    6. Re:You Obviously Don't Teach by AmigaBen · · Score: 1
      I hope you're a elementary/middle/high school teach, and not a college instructor...
      Learning is work, nobody likes work.

      Hrmm.. In college, they are paying YOU to be there. You are there to teach them, not enforce upon them your ideas of what learning is. If you want to be the kind of teacher that thinks they are the god of the classroom, go back to middle school where the kids are there because they have to be. :)
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  98. Moodle by phlako66 · · Score: 1

    Check out Moodle (http://moodle.org) it is the best open source LMS available right now and does an awesome job of facilitating discussions. Discussion should be the center piece of any type of online learning. Moodle is easy to setup, easy to configure and easy to use.

  99. Moodle by graibeard · · Score: 1

    Visit moodle.org.
    It covers the weblog part of what you want and allows the addition of Journals, Surveys and Quizzes.

  100. Technology's effect on communication by SharkJumper · · Score: 1

    Incorporating computers in an English class may give you the opportunity to examine the ways in which technology affects our thought processes and therefore our communication.

    One earlier poster said to completely disallow AOLisms. I suppose this means things like LOL or RTFM, etc. I would tend to disagree. Allowing these types of things â" in fact, encouraging them â" gives you a chance to examine them. It's a fact of life that computers are changing the way we communicate and even order our thoughts.

    These changes are very recent phenomena but they open up the discussion for other technological changes in the way we communicate. For instance, you could trace the development of different types of "literature" through various technological innovations. It may be difficult to think of oral tradition as a technological innovation (or even literature), but there were very organized methods necessary to transfer a body of knowledge from one generation to the next. When the written word came along, it began to formalize language, providing more structure to our communications and eventually ordering the way we form the thoughts in our head. When the printing press came along, we are suddenly dealing with mass-communication and all of the new rules and structures that come with it.

    These are all innovations in the long history of communication and literature, but you can take the computer, a piece of technology for which they've witnessed the development, and use it to point to and compare with these other innovations. Then, choose pieces of literature that illustrate literary concepts from each of these technological ages.

    You might check out Orality & Literacy: The Technologizing of the Word by Walter J Ong. You could try Life On The Screen by Sherry Turkle. These point to ways that technology affects communication and culture.

  101. Technology is a distraction in the classroom by Rangsk · · Score: 1

    As a current major in Computer Science, I feel I have a unique view into the use of technology in a college lecture. I just completed my first year at a university, and I would just like to make a few points. First of all, allowing computers in a classroom seems like a good idea, but it really is not. Though many students will proclaim that they can take notes much more easily on their computer than on paper, which may be true, it is hardly more effective. Personally, I have tried taking computer notes and it doesn't work for me. I need tangible paper and a pen to write with. I need freedom to draw arrows and underline easily, etc, that isn't accesible from a word processor which makes you conform to rigid formats. For me, at least, it didn't work. I also know that my notes were much better than those of my peers who took them with their laptops. Secondly, I know at my university there are wireless internet connections availible from all the classrooms. I also have an insider view on what people are doing with such internet connections. Almost all of them are chatting on some instant messaging program or a chatroom. Some are playing FPS games and some are showing the latest Strongbad email to their friends. Hardly any of them are taking effective notes online... half the typing they do is to friends, and the other half are not very good notes. While I'm contantly writing on my paper with my pen, they are chatting away and definately not listening to the lecture. As for professors using computers to teach a lecture... well, I hate it. Every student hates it, but they're unwilling to confront professors about it. The ones who do not hate it are the ones who don't really care about learning anyway. My physics professor this year used powerpoint presentations instead of writing on the board. He went very, very quickly through the notes because he also posted the powerpoint (in PDF format) online, so we could, I quote, "Take notes on it at home." This was a horrible idea. I need to take notes as the professor is speaking, and powerpoint presentations with pretty boxes and multicolored animations just do not facilitate notetaking. I need to see the professor write on an actual chalkboard. I need to write things down right away so that I can remember all the essential information. Basically, I would prefer a professor who'd never heard of a computer over one who wants to do "cool new things" with them in the classroom. Well, ok, I would not want a computer science professor who hadn't heard of a computer, but you get my point. As for your weblogs, I notice that other comments have mentioned AOL speak, etc. I completely afree with them. I would be very careful about having students compose work online and then allowing commenting by any other student in the class. It sounds cool in theory, but you'll just end up with a mess. Even if the composed work is done very well, the comments will have bad English, bad grammar, smilies, etc. I can guarantee it. And you do not want to have to moderate this board. If you moderate it so that all messages have to go through you first, people will complain about the long wait for their 2am message to show up. If you allow all messages and delete bad ones later, you'll end up with complaints about the quality of certain comments and how they aren't delete quickly enough. I understand you wanting to introduce technology into the classroom, but don't underestimate the value of hard copy essays, in-class discussion, and pen and paper reviews.

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  102. Student problem, not teacher problem. by DoctorNathaniel · · Score: 1

    No, this sounds like the students had no idea why they were in school: if they wanted to IM each other, why pay huge quantities of money to ignore a professor while doing it?

    There are two fundamentals that apply here:
    1) Students must take responsibility for their own learning. It is not the job of the instructor to 'maintain the interest of the students'. It is the instructor's job to show them the path, to tell them where to go, and to try to instill enthusiasm for the subject. Note that 'enthusiasm' does not mean 'entertainment'! I can't "generate interest" in anybody.. all I can do is say, "this is cool, come study it with me".

    This responsibility MIGHT include messaging other students, typing notes, passing notes, whatever, but..

    2) students and instructors must also keep the environment as conducive to learning and to teaching as possible. Having a bunch of kids playing Quake in the lecture hall is will not result in good lectures. Having some dweeb in the next row IM you while you're taking notes isn't good either.

    I think something to remember is that a _real_ classroom isn't like television: a proper lecture takes a great deal of concentration to understand, let alone absorb.

    --Nathaniel

  103. Maybe you should learn grammar, first by BluedemonX · · Score: 1

    RE: Every student has their own

    That should be "every student has his (or her) own".

    I suggest that you actually learn English before teaching it.

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  104. a good place to start . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Every student has their own machine with an internet connection.
    "Every student" and "their" do not agree. Not to nitpick, but you claim to be teaching the language.
  105. Blackboard by BladeMelbourne · · Score: 1

    When I was at university, the subjects that I was taking were all on the Blackboard system. Granted, it's a commercial product, but the features I found invaluable are as follows: 1) A news button. Here the lecturers/tutors left instructions as to what you should be doing this week, how to contact relevant staff, notification of new assessments or lecture/tutorial notes. News items were in reverse chronological order, and had a date stamp. 2) A lecture notes button. The lecture notes were all here, in PDF/Word format, in chronological order. There was one PDF/Word file per week. 3) A tutorial exercies button. Here were PDF/Word files, in chronological order, that contained activities to do each week. One PDF/Word document per week. 4) An assessment button. Here were PDF/Word documents allowing downloads of assignment sheets, information on exams and a couple of practise exams. 5) A bulletin board for users to post questions/answers and help each other. The lecturers/tutors frequented these pages too. This format was so easy to understand - every student knew what was required of them. Such a product would only take 1-2 weeks to build in PHP/MySQL. Some of my subjects also had the ability to upload assignment files (usually Word documents, or source code) - although this might not be required for an English class. Some lecturers used software to check for cheating. Online learning is good when needed information is at the student's finger tips. They can fit their learning in around work/social committments. It shouldn't really be self paced, otherwise a back-log of work will build up.

  106. give it to a computer science class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seriously, computers are hard to schedule on a college campus and too many COMPUTER courses are forced out of their own building/computer labs because Liberal Arts ninny's needed to use word.

    It is only right that you abdict this room in favor of students who need the computers for their major.

  107. Mea Culpa - Mod Parent Down by Sad+Loser · · Score: 1

    I thought it said "Freshman class at an English public university" instead of "Freshman English class at a public university".
    All flames gratefully received.

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  108. The blame game by fm6 · · Score: 1
    You're right, too many students don't take enough responsibility for their own education. Then again a good teacher can do a lot to motivate them...

    If we're gonna play the blame game, we can find lots of people to blame -- inept teacher, students who are just going through the motions, parents who push their kids on an ill-chosen academic route for purely social reasons... But let's not allow any of these culprits to pass the buck to computers. Face it, if somebody is playing Doom when they should be participating in class, something is fundamentally wrong. And that something is not likely to be fixed by banishing the computer from the classroom.

    1. Re:The blame game by DrStubbs · · Score: 1
      I think you're perceiving a dichotomy where there is none. There is no "fundamentally" wrong classroom anymore there is a fundamentally right one (which is to say, not at all.)

      The matter of fact is, a computer attached to the internet is immensely alluring. I'm willing to bet that you're rather far away from your teen years, because if you were my age, then you'd know that computer and net addiction is a widely accepted phenomenon amongst us. Have you ever talked to a student about this sort of thing? We are obsessed with digital interaction.

      I'm not saying that computers shouldn't be in the classroom, merely that they will cause a problem, because the distraction they offer goes beyond a mere opportunity or outlet -- it's an actual gravitational force.

  109. I can see the peer reviews now... by anonymous+loser · · Score: 1

    In Soviet Russia, papers grade YOU!

  110. Consider slashdot by word+munger · · Score: 1

    I taught first year composition last year, and I actually used slashdot journals to host the discussion portion of my class. You can also take a look at Kairosnews for some more ideas. In particular, check out the blogs and CMSs topic. Good luck!

  111. I'm not sure about the blog idea... by johnmearns · · Score: 1

    Perhaps I've just become somewhat biased from my college experience, but in a freshman english class I don't believe 95% of my classmates would have cared to read the others work. Even if they did, being an introductory english class, who are they to be offering criticism? :D

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  112. Use VMware to make your life easy by acid_zebra · · Score: 1

    I realize your budget probably does not support it, but hey, maybe you are lucky, or very persuasive with the board. ;)

    I used to teach some 1-on-1 classes, and to facilitate this I use a linux box with VMware installed. When booted, it goes straight into a minimal X, and runs VMware, which in turn boots the OS du jour.

    This allows me to run virtual windows 95/98/2000/linuxes, or indeed to allow my pupils to mess with the installion (and destruction) of those OS'es. Since it has a 'discard changes made during session' option, the OS always rolls back to the known, safe, optimal & virus free state, unless specifically told not to (by me).

    A small bash script watches over the vmware thread, and if it dies spawns a new one.

    Count the amount of hours spent reinstalling/reconfiguring/rebooting, weigh it against the price of a VMware license.

    YMMV

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  113. About time... by unixbugs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... don't you think?

    My own freshman English intsructor took the liberty of setting up a {gasp} MSN message board for us. We could use {gasp} MSN's {poor} implementation of IRC in the room to laugh about the instructor, and each other, in class.

    I read through the blog a bit and found that there are many pro's and con's that you will have to deal with, but ultimatly, depending on the type of teacher you are and how you gear interests towards people, it is a good idea. I remember that most of the people in this class, though only a couple of years ago, had no prior experience on the computer. This was their own way of being introduced to things like: typing.

    "Oh Great", I can hear you say, but think of it like this: you allready have the right idea by trying to bring people together with machines {OS's} that seem to divide people, alienate them, or otherwise divert them from sociability. Whether your motivations or not I highly suggest you bog down a www.msn.com server with a whole chatroom and webboard for everyone to be able to interact through at _any_hour_of_the_day.

    In the long run it will be well worth it because the first semester of bringing all of these things together is bound to be the hardest. By the time you get your syllabus down for next semester you will know what to do and not to do. Speaking of which...

    1) Might want to keep the computers off when class starts.

    2) Might want to conduct a quick survey to see how the class feels about it.

    The class I remember was taught by the best instructor I've had so far. He kept us motivated enough to hit the webboard and chatroom at all hours even though the Admistration's choice of reading material was boring enough to knock out an elephant. At first I thought it was a crazy idea because of the lax network security around the campus, but in the end I'm sure his decision was only to improve on it. Oh, might want to check with the IT building and see if they can whip up a little php or something for you. It would only take a couple of the good ones a day or two for you to have a pretty and stable setup!

    "You are about to give someone a piece of your mind, something which you can ill-affor".

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    You are about to give someone a piece of your mind, something which you can ill afford...
  114. Cool? COOL? by Demerara · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry if this comes across as cynical but the only sugggestion I can make is to avoid including "cool" in your criterium of what to teach or how to teach it.

    It's almost as undesirable as having to include a toy in every meal a child eats at a fast food restaurant.

    Gratuitous use of technology will not win people over to the subject matter. Also, you'll drive a wedge through the class - those with computer skills will be at an advantage while those without (and possibly with more aptitude for the real subject of your class) may be left behind or hide their lights under a bushel.

    Best of luck!

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  115. unless by waspleg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    those students are tech saavy and use something like trillian that has built in 128 bit encryption...

    of course they might stick out a bit too

    (insert subversive evil cable-theft voice)
    unless all the clients use encryption and then you'll never know muhaha

  116. Take a look at Moodle by gozar · · Score: 3, Informative

    Moodle.org is an open source package that allows several features of what everyone has been mentioning here. A neat feature is the journal that allows the teacher to critique their writings privately. It also has forums, online quizes, etc.

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  117. How about English? by fmaxwell · · Score: 4, Funny
    I will be teaching a Freshman English class at a medium sized public university, in a computer classroom for next semester. Every student has their own machine with an internet connection.
    I will be teaching a Freshman English class at a medium-size public university, in a computer classroom [delete "for"] next semester. Each student will have their own machine with an Internet connection.
    If you had said that you would be teaching a computer science class, a biology class, or any type of class other than English, I wouldn't have been such a picky bastard. ;-)
    1. Re:How about English? by alienw · · Score: 3, Informative

      Each student will have their own machine with an Internet connection.

      Each student will have his or her own machine with an Internet connection.

      "Their" is plural. You have a singular subject that you are replacing. You have to use "his" or "his or her" if you want to be PC.

    2. Re:How about English? by flard · · Score: 1

      And right you guys are... Guess I can use this in class as an example of what can happen to a student when he/she gets his/her stuff published and people actually read it...

    3. Re:How about English? by idsofmarch · · Score: 1

      Actually, their is becoming as acceptable compromise between the need to be PC ie he/she s/he, his/her or some other horrible construction. However, proper english defines the male gender for all unknown sentances because of the lack of a proper neuter gender in English, which incidentally was abandoned as some point between Old English. So technically, he is the proper construction, however switching between genders is also acceptable. Personally, I think the use of their does work since the subject (student) is made plural by the modifier each. But, who listens to me anyways.

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    4. Re:How about English? by vidnet · · Score: 1
      if you want to be PC

      "if you want to have a PC" (yes, I took this english class!)

    5. Re:How about English? by fmaxwell · · Score: 2, Informative
      Regarding the use of "their": I considered changing the word "their" to "his or her", however, it is widely accepted as correct.

      According to The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition:
      Usage Note: The use of the third-person plural pronoun they to refer to a singular noun or pronoun is attested as early as 1300, and many admired writers have used they, them, themselves, and their to refer to singular nouns such as one, a person, an individual, and each. W.M. Thackeray, for example, wrote in Vanity Fair in 1848, âoeA person can't help their birth,â and more recent writers such as George Bernard Shaw and Anne Morrow Lindbergh have also used this construction, in sentences such as âoeTo do a person in means to kill them,â and âoeWhen you love someone you do not love them all the time.â The practice is widespread and can be found in such mainstream publications as the Christian Science Monitor, Discover, and the Washington Post...
      So there is some disagreement as to whether it is acceptable or not. Thus, I felt that it would be overly picky, even for me, to flag its use in phrase "their own machine."
    6. Re:How about English? by fmaxwell · · Score: 1

      Guess I can use this in class as an example of what can happen to a student when he/she gets his/her stuff published and people actually read it...

      It's really just an example of what happens when you publish something in a forum where people can read it, reply to it, and get public accolades for making wisecracks about it.

    7. Re:How about English? by alienw · · Score: 1

      How does "each" make the subject plural? Then, "machine" should be plural, as well.

      "Each student should bring their own machines?" This looks wrong.

      Now, if you made it plural:

      "All students should bring their own machines" is actually OK.

    8. Re:How about English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I will be teaching a Freshman English class at a medium-size public university, in a computer classroom [delete "for"] next semester. Each student will have their own machine with an Internet connection.

      The comma isn't necessary here.

    9. Re:How about English? by fmaxwell · · Score: 1

      The comma isn't necessary here.

      Agreed. But I'm not sure that it's use is strictly incorrect either. I tried taking it out and the sentence was slightly less easy to read.

    10. Re:How about English? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude. If he wrote it that way, there's no way /. would have accepted it.

  118. Multiple Intelligences by wiggen · · Score: 1

    Sorry if this is long winded... But my masters thesis touched on this, as well as further research I have been doing over the last year.

    I feel you should look into Professor (at Harvard) Howard Gardner's theories on Multiple Intelligences. It has everything to do with various learning styles your students will be exhibiting. Some of your students will be solely auditory in their learning. Some will be solely visual. Some will be tactile. Some will be mathmatical/technical. Some will be musical learners. Most, though, will be combinations of these learning styles, more abilities in some intelligences, less in others. The point I am making is that every one of your students will learn in different ways.

    And then there are thinking skills. Some students (and it's been theorized that most teachers) are linear thinkers. Others tend to think at multiple levels. Perhaps the best analogy would be that some people think like books, where you go from the beginning to the end in one straight line. Some people think like the World Wide Web where the route you take from the beginning to the end is not always a straight line. These latter learners often tend to be the ones who do less well in school.

    So, what does all this have to do with computers in the classroom? Well, for one thing, the computer is a device that can handle the needs of all these multiple intelligences and learning styles. Your job will be to figure out how to tap into these learning styles to help the students utilize their native intelligences, and compensate for the intelligences that are somewhat weak (imagine not having auditory or visual skills in most classrooms today!).

    So what do you do with the computers? Musical learners would do will writing music and lyrics (as for studying, it's been shown that musical learners study bettter if there is music in the background... mp3s!). Tactile learners will do well in just about any computer lessons you choose (after they learn to type), but just let them get up and walk a bit when they need to! Auditory learners can use mics to speak out loud what they read. They can use the built in text readers to read back what they write.

    Video production is a great group project (social intelligence is another of Howard Gardner's intelligences). The linear thinkers can provide great scripts while the mult-level thinkers will be great at setting up shooting schedules and editing (editing in video producation is done with non-linear editing software).

    Most important, though, is reflection on the learning process. You are absolutely right that blogs (or forums as others have suggested) are a great tool.

    Finally, typing training is a must. Studies have been done, dating back as far as the invention of the typewriter, and they have all shown that typing skills increase spelling skills. In every case, when a teacher takes a single spelling lesson out of the curriculum each week, and substitues a typing lesson instead, the average class spelling scores go up, as compared to a class that had more spelling lessons but no typing lessons. I suspect that this has to do with the tactile learners who are finally getting their lessons in a way that complements their learning style, but that's just a pet theory of mine.

    These are just a few suggestions that come to mind off the top of my head. But do a Google search for Howard Gardner and multiple intelligences.

  119. Discussion Fora. by The+Cydonian · · Score: 1
    I'd say the best thing you can come up with is a discussion forum sorta thing (may be your blog supports this; I don't know). I did a lit class sometime back, where the lecturer used to post a few questions on his website, to be answered on the discussion forum before every class (the deadline was 12AM the night before the actual class). We'd then post our responses, troll others [in an on-topic, intellectual sense ;-) ], and then continue our online discussions right into the class, with each of us presenting our response in a slightly more elaborate way.

    As I recall, the lecturer did say that he'd be grading all posts in the beginning of the semester, but later denied saying that; have a feeling he was trying to get everyone stick to good grammar. There was a penalty for not posting; we were allowed a maximum of six post-less classes (the course was for 12 weeks, twice a week) before we got penalised. It never got to that though; most people were too involved to not post. ;-)

    I liked that system; personally, it taught me good learning habits such as reading up stuff before the class, not during or after. Also, it created a very conducive discussion-oriented learning environment, where even known introverts were somehow coaxed into vigorously taking part in the class.

  120. English class from hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm fairly proficient with language. However, as I never took an *AP* course in HS, I've found myself plonked into many schools' variants of English 101.

    The single *worst* experience I had involved an electronic-based course; in this case, it was hosted on an educational MOO. Much of the first week was spent on the basics of MOO navigation, and relatively little on the subject matter. Further, students were *asked* to critique eachothers' work, but the acceptable policy for criticism was never explicitly posted.

    Now, in this case, English 101 was decided to be an 'expository writing' course, and I'll readily admit to being mediocre with narrative. What really made the class a nightmare was a tangled web of events. Here's what not to do:

    1. Begin by assigning a personal narrative in a fictional space; we were asked to detail what 'we' would've done had we been trapped on the Titanic. It was unclear how 'personal' the narrative was meant to be. In my case, I was bent over my sexuality at the time, so I threw in a gratuitous reference to a keepsake from a boyfriend, while keeping the character vague. Oops, points off unless I wanted to stand up *during class* and out myself. Moral: If you *want* personal detail in a piece, phrase it explicitly, and provide concrete examples. [Note to fellow queers: You'll grow out of the phase soon enough. Keep work and love separate; this was an equally bad judgement call on my part.]

    2. Create assignments that don't require a physical presence, then lord the attendance policy over your students. In this case, homework and lecture notes were published on the web, and assignments were submitted by it; there was literally no reason to attend what became an hour-long lesson in Word 2000 tech-support.

    3. Use tools uniquely unsuited to the task. In this case, the MOO retained its equivalent of the 'spoof' command. I took advantage of it a single time, with a simple 'Woohoo!' upon connecting; the professor chose to take this personally, rather than with a civil reprimand. I know, I sound like annoying git, but the interpersonal situation that formed after three days of class really scared the crap out of me- don't invite your class to experiment if you don't expect at least one user to find such features.

    4. Encourage your students to criticize, then take personal offense to their criticism. The one thing I *do* have a grasp of is basic spelling and grammar, and in the required peer-reviews, I'd offer such, *civilly,* through the blog-style interface. ["The professor has asked us not to worry about our grammar, but I can't help but notice '...;' to my eye, it seems it would flow much more easily as '...'" If you dig through the styleguide for the course, you can find an explanation under "Pronoun Reference."] I was later confronted -- again *during* class -- and accused of lording over the proceedings, when from my perspective, I was struggling for an A+ in participation, especially as the sociopolitical ramifications began weighing on my attendance grade.

    Eventually, I became discouraged, and simply stopped showing up. In retrospect, I should've filed a grievance, but this would've required direct confrontation that I couldn't deal with at the time.

    I'd suggest:
    -Offering an after-hours (or online, IRC/IM-based) discussion group for the active portion of the class, *especially* if the main session degrades into support for the less technical users.

    -Not focusing entirely on the writing task; apparently, the expository focus was *intended* to force the frosh to think creatively, but this didn't work out in my case. If the rules of curriculum don't allow a balance between authorship, analysis, and technical skill, fight to have them changed.

    -Giving students a carrot to show up, rather than the stick of hard-copy submissions or class-only homework announcements. Perhaps daily labs should be optional, with an attendance grade hinging on end-of-week discussions, or other *useful* group act

  121. suggestions from high school with mods for college by abszero · · Score: 1

    I am currently in the process of founding a private secondary (grades 6-12) school, and have put a lot of thougth lately into how to integrate computers into teaching. The following ideas are desinged for younger students in what I suspect are much smaller (8-15 students) and more focused (ie, more teacher-led) environments. However, as I go, I'll make some suggestions for college use, and for english classes in particular.

    1-If freshman are reuired to take an "intro to computing" class (at many universities they are) talk to the professor, and get a copy of the curriculum. That way, you have at least some idea of a lowest common denomenator for tech-literacy. (ie, don't require Word until the computer class has already taught it) This will save you at least a little time to teach enlgish instead of computer literacy. However, if there is not such a class, and the school as a whole decided to set you to teaching english inthe computer lab (as opposed to it being your idea, or the english departments) they may surreptitiously be trying to turn you into a computer teacher becasue they feel freshman comp is unecessary or inflated. complain loudly if you feel this is the case.

    2-Post summaries of lectures in html, with links to a glossary and other useful side-notes. Make sure students can open the document and edit it, if they would like to take theri notes that way.

    3-When you are speaking, make ABSOLUTELY sure that all the students can see you. Many students (especially the dyslexic ones, who likely are to be the ones who need yr class most) will not be able to follow a discussion without being able to see you. For this reason, it is not a good idea to require students to type and listen at the same time, as most students will need to look at either the keyboard or the screen as they type.

    4-Try not to force students to read things form the screen. Instead, allow them to use printed copies if they can. Staring at a computer screen for extended periods of time is very bad for some peoples eyes, and can trigger migranes and even seizures in some people. (especially on low-quality moniters)

    5-If the course is basically "how to write an essay" (which is what I understadn frshman englsih to be), your goal should be to help the students learn to use a computer as a tool to further that goal. However, some students will rpefer to use other means (I still write almost almost everyting out in compostition books, and then type it, and I'm a professional writer who reads slashdot)

    6-Allow students to post theri writings for comment to a community forum, but do not require them to post "rough drafts". Many writeers do not really write rought drafts, but in fact kepp almost exactly theri original work thru to the final publication. Unless the function of the calss is to teach peer-review, getting comments form other 18 year olds can be an exceptionally cruel and emotionally traumatic thing to have to go thru, particularly if there is a wide skill-range of writers in the class.

    I've never actually taken a compostiiton class (I went to Caltech, which didn't require one unless you couldn't test out of it. My grad school wanted me to take one, since i never had, but i managed to write my way into testing out of that as well.) However, I assume that most of class time is not actually spent on writing. for this reason, I do not think the computer lab setting is really very appropriate.

    Good luck. Should you have any questions feel free to contact me.

    sara at academy23.org

  122. Mirror the Chalkboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about mirroring the chalkboard/whiteboard/overhead to the students' laptop display?

    One of my worst memories of college was being stuck in the back of the class, where I couldn't see the board, because I couldn't get there 15 minutes early.

  123. The Manhattan Project by unix+guy · · Score: 1

    Go over to freshmeat for a copy of The Manhattan Project - a virtual classroom. Everything you want in one package.

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  124. don't, but ... by nano-second · · Score: 1
    Plus you have the problem of the learning curve - how much will it take people to figure out how to properly use whatever technology you require of them? Remember, it doesn't matter if you think it's easy - if it gives them any kind of trouble, you're going to have to take time away from what you're supposed to be teaching to help with with the technology.

    This point is extremely true! I'm a CS student, but as electives, I've had some arts courses that try to incorporate web-based discussions which then have one group member submit a summary. While this is easier than trying to set up group meetings or taking away from class time, the technology is usually a HUGE issue.

    I found it very convenient as I could think for quite some time between posts, post at 2am if I wanted, or whenever it was most convenient. However, in the first class one of my group members couldn't figure out how to even log on, let alone submit a file (it popped up a choose file window, with the browse option) when it was his turn to do the summary. A lot of people don't use this sort of thing regularly and they find it really confusing and difficult.

    That disclaimer disclaimed, I think the online web discussion groups can be really nice. This term, I'm taking a film class where we discuss questions posted by the teacher in small groups. I appear to have got a competent group as there have been no problems for us. I really like that it doesn't take up class time, nor do I have to try to schedule a meeting IRL, which can be really hard when you have 5 people with 5 different schedules. If it is appropriate for the type of English course you are teaching I would recommend using discussion groups. However, the point of them is OUTSIDE the classroom. I don't really see what use you will get with the computers during class time... at university I would think this should be lecture time, especially for an English course.

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  125. Technology in Education Resources by MasonMcD · · Score: 1

    There are tons of resources and organizations for technology use in education. A lot of these are for elementary and secondary education, so this is just a sample, but it gives you a good idea of things to try.

    I mean, if there are programs and projects for ritalin-dependent rugrats, I think keeping frosh English majors engaged wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

    Most states have their own laundry list of resources as well, so check with your local DOE website. (edit: Conn DOE site *sucks*)

    Linky links

    http://www.rtec.org/
    http://www.iste.org/
    http ://tinyurl.com/f36q (this one is resources from GA Learning Connections website, if the tiny URL throws Slashdot off)
    http://www.seirtec.org/
    http://www.ncrel.or g/tech/
    http://www.itrc.ucf.edu/

  126. Class Weblogs Require Careful Execution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was in a course entitled Politics of the Internet and each student was required to post regularly to a weblog. Most of the students, all of the ones I talked to, hated the assignment. I felt like I had done so poorly it would affect my grade. I got an A in the course, so the overall quality of blogs must have been low.

    See http://www.lamc.utexas.edu/polnet for course info.

  127. My experiences teaching by karit · · Score: 1

    I was recently I was tutoring a E-Commerce course at university for 2nd year students.Putting stuff online can increase the workload a lot.

    For one assignment we gave them a Dreamweaver MX template with the subsection headings put in there so they couldn't change them and they could only write in small sections of the page. After opening this template up showing them what to do on the projector/big screen. We still got people who didn't understand and wanted walking through it step by step.

    Then we wanted them to upload to a FTP server for marking. We used dreamweaver again to do this (as we had been teaching them Dreamweaver for the practical part of the course, building a web page). We provided them with a upload tutorial with images of each step and what to type into each box and which boxes/sections not to touch in setting up the site/ftp info. When then also showed them on the projector. And again people didn't get it and had to be walked through individually.

    On due time people still emailed the course supervisor about how do they hand in their printed word document.

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  128. Check out WebGUI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://plainblack.com
    Content management system, slick, easy to install,
    Open source, will even work with Windows.

    Using it now for a collaborative website for the Computer Forensics Association. Handles the minutes, events, files, blog, message forum, has Karma.. Even has quiz modules, it is enterprize class, and open source priced (free)

    We even used their demo-site to run a secret ballot election for association officers. Nice 10 day demo, and just the advisor had the admin to the site.

    What more can you ask for?

    I use it for my website, NO I don't work for them, and Yes I bought a support package from them.

  129. as a former student of said public university... by rizzo420 · · Score: 1

    i'm assuming you're teaching 105 or 109 (i went to uconn). in that case, i'd almost say that it's not really worth trying to use the comptuers since half your students will be hung over, drunk, or high. those classes are (as far as i'm concerned) nearly pointless. they did not help me write better (high school helped me write and i'm an excellent writer, even scientifically). the only thing i could think of is using a weblog for homework. it'd have to be protected for only that class (or at least only that class could post to it). i would say that you post the homework assignment or passage of whatever you're reading for that class as the "article" and the students reply to it with "comments" as their answers. they will all be able to view each others answers outside of class. you can even make it mandatory that they do so as it will be part of their class participation grade (and i know that counted for a fair amount in those classes since they were small). i'd leave out any sort of moderating system as grades should be anonymous and it could get ugly. or you could have other sections be the moderators, which could make it more interesting, and make sure that usernames are not known by anyone except those from the class and by you. that way no one can talk to their buddies in the other class and tell them to mod them up. and you can grade based on that. it'd be a fun idea. and in class you can have the students moderate the other sections and discuss why they're doing it that way. the only other thing i can suggest is for writing papers in word or something stupid like that, but that should be done in their own time. it could save paper in printing out drafts to be peer-reviewed.

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  130. MainBrain School by ErikSev · · Score: 1

    A quick and shameless plug..... I'm the CEO for MainBrain School. It's not exactly relevent here, but we provide student information software that lets parents and teachers get online and see their child's grades, attendance, etc., as well as communicate with teachers over message boards. The software is deployed on linux, using perl and mysql. We're still proprietary for the moment, but actively considering open sourcing the software when I can be convinced it's a good business decision. As a final note, we're offering a grant program right now where we are selling the software at our cost to schools in the North Carolina area especially, but also throughout the country. If you're interested, check the website out. My contact info is on there.

  131. My ultimate suggestion by WgT2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The second year of my teaching career I had a principal who said that the teacher himself/herself was the curiculum. At the time I disagreed in that some classes necessitated the transference of knowledge regardless of who or what the teacher was.

    Several years later I now see his point.

    If the class is about computers and how to use them in a particular fashion then go for it. However, it is apparent that the class is about language and the use thereof to communicate. Typing on a computer is a slow means of communicating. It follows then that precious time can/might/will be lost via that means.

    Therefore, it is my professional opinion that they be used as a supplimental means to teaching the class and not a primary means: get them from out in front of the students and give them what's in your heart (that is to say: all of you) and not what you or they can put up on a monitor.
    1. Re:My ultimate suggestion by Silent_E · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have used computers in the classroom, both successfully and unsuccessfully. The guideline I've developed (the contrapositive of what was said in the post I am responding to) is that you should only do on the computer what cannot be done well elsewhere: use the computer for what it's good for.

      Becuase I taught writing when I was in grad school, I actually found that some peer-editing was done better over the computer if the posts are annonymous. At first, people are shy and overly-sensitive when their writing is criticized (even constructively), and people are often unwilling to criticize someone else's writing (even constructively) in person because they don't have great interpersonal skills in that direction. As you are devloping their ability to criticize one another (constructively), have them do peer editing anonymously on the computer. At some point, it may be more constructive to actually do it in person, as they develop, but you will get a heck of a lot more out of them as editors at first if you do peer edits via computer and annonymously.

    2. Re:My ultimate suggestion by pbhj · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you could do use of online tools as supplemental language aids ... eg Onelook dictionary (sorry couldn't resist, likely not a typo as e/i are on different hands?).

      Thesauri and [en]cyclopedias are also tools I find useful as writing aids.

      And no, I'm not perfect either!

    3. Re:My ultimate suggestion by WgT2 · · Score: 1

      That's vary much a valid point.

    4. Re:My ultimate suggestion by Glonoinha · · Score: 1

      Actually ... I was happily reading along looking for a place to say 'hey OP - don't be a goober, computers have no place in an English class' until I got to thinking about it. And you are absolutely correct.

      Iff (if and only if) the students are very fluent typists then I envision then being able to use a word processor to type their work (ie. themes, reports, essay questions) faster than they could hand write them, the work will be more legible (my handwriting sucks, I am doing good to read my own name) and they will have a dictionary and thesaurus built into the word processor. Quite possibly a grammar assist function also, meaning the students can overcome the barriers of spelling, word usage, and grammar and let their brain focus on the true purpose of the essay / report / theme : getting their idea across in a coherent manner.

      Except college English classes are not about whatever concepts they are writing about, they are about learning to express yourself regardless of topic, learning the fundamentals of grammar, spelling, word choice and sentence structure ... so in effect the computer is doing all the things the students should be learning to do and have been relegated to the duty of 'think up something to write about.'

      I changed my mind back again - computers are a crutch in the classroom and quite honestly although they should be used for homework, have no place on the student desk in the classroom - even in computer classes. After class in the computer lab : yes. During class when the prof is explaining and giving notes : no.

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    5. Re:My ultimate suggestion by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1
      As you are devloping their ability to criticize one another (constructively), have them do peer editing anonymously on the computer.

      I think this is a great idea. And one of the things you can teach is constructive criticism without alienating the person whose work they are criticizing. Being able to convince others to agree with you requires learning to point out the flaws in their arguments without making them feel personally insulted -- a task that not many learn and even fewer master in a lifetime. Learning to do this, even when in an anonymous setting, will give them a valuable skill.

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  132. Re:A couple of negatives but at least a suggestion by 876 · · Score: 1

    I have worked in several "paperless" classrooms (as a student); they have had varying degrees of success. The first non-technical class which worked in this way was a high-school art class. My school, in an attempt to render everything electronic, completely replaced traditional art with multimedia that year. We ended up with half the students there (who couldn't turn the boxen on, let alone make a cohesive art project in photoshop) negotiating with the teacher to be allowed to 'bend the rules' by drawing something. The multimedia art class was a good idea (I, for one, loved it), but sorely needed the availability of a traditional class to complement it.

    One thing certainly stands: unless every student present is 100% dedicated to the subject at hand, an Internet connection will always win attention from a lecturer. Asking students not to log in until you've finished lecturing can help avoid this situation.

  133. Having been in classes like this..... by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
    I have been in several classes where there were computers in the rooms. In fact, at my college (which is a relatively small private college) one of my classrooms is a computer lab. There is a center table that everybody sits around for most of the class, however, I have been in situations where we were allowed to sit at the computers. And I can tell you for a fact that if any of the kids KNOW computers, they will be dicking around the first chance they get, especially if they finish early.

    On top of that, there will be students who do NOT know how to use the computer, and that will eat up additional time. And most importantly, I hope YOU know computers (i assume you do since you are posting this on /.) because nothing is worse than a teacher I once had who had the majority of his classwork requiring the internet........and here he was trying to figure out how to get "onto the interweb" and get to a site called "goggle or google or something". Yeah.....we let him flounder for 5 minutes before one of us went over there and went to google for him.

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  134. In a multimedia classroom, keep the computers out! by JRHelgeson · · Score: 1
    As an employer, I am constantly aghast at the atrocious writing skills of the people I am forced to hire.

    I sift through countless resumes that are completely unintelligible. When I think I've found someone that can actually write, I hire him and find that [s]he cannot construct a coherent paragraph.

    Kids today cannot write. They have difficulty constructing complete thoughts. They think in fragmented sentences, like they're in a chat room.

    College graduates that can write a decent proposal straight out of school are few and far between, and are only becoming more scarce. When I find someone that can write - I hold onto them for dear life and compensate them well. I will give someone who can communicate clearly a raise twice as fast as someone with a higher degree.

    I say get rid of the computers completely! Have the students turn in papers that are hand written. When you hand write a paragraph, you are forced to think of the entire paragraph you intend to write, before the pen is put to paper. It is too easy to write a fragment of a sentence with a computer, change your train of thought, and finish off somewhere else, then go back and reposition paragraphs and edit until it reads well. Kids today are not forced to think about their writing.

    If you're teaching college freshmen in a public university, the average dropout rate is ~30%. This means for 30% of your students, this will be the only 'real' English class they will ever take. Don't waste this opportunity.

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  135. Re:I had a computer lab English class once.BROKEDN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I even was more creative than most, since I SSHed to the university solaris server, which was an arguably legitimate use, only to then launch a black and white console IRC session. I didn't get caught, but several other students with IM clients or GUI-based IRC clients did. Nothing punitive came of it though, because there were no real enforcement policies. "

    "Some (like my case) will always find a way though the campus network, but if it can be minimized, that's the only way it will work."


    I feel like i'm @ a penis-measurment contest. give me a break.

  136. My $0.02 by tmortn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    First off you have to embrace computers and the internet if you intend to teach a class with a live internet connection.

    By embrace I mean do not try and treat it like a regular classroom. Students WILL type constantly either on topic or off topic especially if they have a live internet connection and if that is disruptive to your method of instruction run far and run fast from the lab NOW !!! Seriously it will never work and even if it does all your going to do is frustrate the students sitting there with computers and not being able to use them. Quiet click keyboards would help immensly but boards in labs are generally loud clackers and the very lively accoustics of most rooms don't help.

    My suggestion would be to not plan on Verbal lecturing at all, if you do need to have lectures schedule them in a room away from the computers if at all possible. I would suggest some sort of obvious progression where students read and post their thoughts as directed by your questions to answer or discuss etc.... Classtime can be used for class discussion thread style. I would set up some sort of scoring system with you as the score keeper... IE offtopic and flamebait takes points off, pertinent posts score according to some scale you have. Goal of students is to reach a passing point.

    *** random idea which would need software that could handle it *** Student is given 5 posts per topic. Posts are rated by the teacher in say two or three categories ( say grammer, quality of content for starters ) score is on a 1-10 scale which can be multiplied by 2, added all together and divided by the number of categories for ye olde 100 point scale

    At anyrate you get the idea. Instead of verbal lectures you outline the discussion in a written aggenda. I personally would say take the lecture notes, note the pertinent areas of discussion and link in the text to the appropriate place to post responses... In passage I want you to the consequences of actions. Then Repeat ad neaseum for all needed points of discussion. Include your lecture material in addition as well. Then spend the time during calss monitoring what is being added to the discussion and offering one on one feedback going around the room.... constant moving will also enable you to keep something of an eye on poor choices of web pages for information sources.

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    1. Re:My $0.02 by tmortn · · Score: 1

      hmm damn formatting... that was supposed to be a discuss xxxx passage and tell me what the consequeces of yyyy characters are in relation to zzzzz or something like that.

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  137. Resource for learning about weblogs in English by cel4145 · · Score: 1

    If you are looking for additional information, you might try visiting kairosnews.org, reading through our blogs and cms's topic category, and posting your questions there. We are a Slashdot-like weblog community interested in rhetoric, technology and pedagogy. Many participants are college English teachers who teach in computer classrooms. Some of us, myself included, have been using weblogs already.

  138. Computers and English Classes by Erno_Rubaiyat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Randy Bass at Georgetown http://www.georgetown.edu/faculty/bassr/ did several interesting investigations which used computers to improve learning in the classroom. I would recommend looking at his work. His work focuses more seriously on the scholarship of teaching and learning, but I think he managed to find some good lessons about dealing with new media in english classrooms.

    I think you need to consider the question, "what exactly do you want to get out of this?" and you will have an easier time figuring out how computers will fit into the picture (if at all).

    Others have mentioned wiki's and similar tools which create a wonderful collaborative environment, but may be less than useful if there is no real goal to their use.

    Either way it is a mistake to just throw an english class into a computer lab without a definite goal.

  139. how about a wiki-like system by burns210 · · Score: 1

    A wiki might be interesting, if you could seperate the author's text from the wiki edited text. A wiki, by the way, is a web system where anyone can edit any page on a website, just by clicking an edit link on the page, which loads that page into a neat little form.... www.wikipedia.org, among others are neat to look at...

    1. Re:how about a wiki-like system by flard · · Score: 1

      Some other posts also suggested this. I will look into using wikis, but my feeling right now is that I don't want students to directly EDIT another student's text. Instead, I would prefer a system where students can post their work (possible only the 'finished' work) and then comment on it - not edit it. (Most of this would happen outside the classroom, by the way). Anyway, this is an interesting idea. Thanks for the comments.

  140. Re:Use Slashcode--or another open source by Silent_E · · Score: 1

    I like the rotisserie discussion that Harvard's open source software, H2O has developed. It assigns people posts to respond to automatically. /. posted the story . It is definitely worth checking out. You could certainly do blog-like things there.

  141. Re:Lord of the Files--and pedagogy by Silent_E · · Score: 1

    As far as I can tell, from personal experience, /. gives mod points to anyone who's on a significant number of days in a row. But regardless of whether we agree that /. is fair or not, there are some seriously interesting pedagogical possibilities with mod and meta mod points. Students can practice critical thinking by evaluating posts, and through meta mods, can get some pretty serious feedback if they are being trolls, etc.

    You can always assign mod points to everyone on a rotating basis, and use meta mods from all students on a rotating basis. By sharing the results, you can assign some participation points for doing the work, and a few for doing it well in the estimation of the class. Persumably you can add a few via estimation of the teacher if you really think it is necessary.

  142. Project Ideas by cfradenburg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The first thing you need to do with a class like this is make it interactive to keep the students interested. Have them talk about their projects and critic each other in class.

    Now that I've said that, on to some ideas. I've broken them down by whether the focus is on writing or literature.

    Writing:
    Have them pick a more advanced feature of one of the programs on the computer and write instructions about how to use it.
    For creative writing have them try and trick the spell checker.

    Literature:
    Many classics are no longer copyrighted and hence are available free online which makes them rather accessible. You should also be able to find different translations of the same work (such as Dante's Divine Comedy.) Take advantage of these.

    Combination:
    There are many amatuer writing sites (mostly poetry). Have the students compare what's there to stuff that is commercially published.
    There are many documents archived online from recent and not so recent language as well as many documents that us "IM speak." Students can research how the English language has changed over the years.


    These are just some ideas. There are also many teacher resource sites. There is a collection of links here that is kept up to date. The other sites I can think of off hand are Marco Polo and Ask Eric. If you are intereseted in more let me know, I'm sure I can find more.

  143. A constructive answer by bobbabemagnet · · Score: 1

    I took a class where we used something called a Wiki. The concept is simple. You have a community of people who all contribute to the content of the site and even have the power to create their own pages. In our case, we submitted our homework on it, and we could have other people review and edit it (and keep track of the changes). We had a glossary that we kept building, and we had our own journals, and it worked really well for us, until the end, when we had so much content that we actually slowed the server down.

    The best part is that it's pretty easy to set up, really easy to use (once you get the hang of it), and really cool for everyone involved.

    This is the site for it http://c2.com/cgi/wiki

  144. Teach em web useability by quilgy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Given it's English class and computer driven, you could teach them how to write for the web, and about web useability. No doubt a lot of them will be wanting to author their own websites in coming years, so get them educated about writing for screen reading instead of print.

  145. *laugh* by TWX · · Score: 1

    Let's look at this piece by piece...

    "You've just given a prime example of what's wrong with most debates about education. It's all idealogy, and no facts"

    Okay, let's see your "facts"...

    "You've got a lot of half-assed generalizations and pet theories. My lack of interest in these is extreme. Let's talk about real-world teachers. I've known good ones and bad ones. Good ones don't care about distractions -- they even use them. Bad ones blame their failures on distractions, immoral influences, "human nature" -- everything except their own lack of skill."

    So, you're making a personal narrative on your own experiences. You reference teachers that you've known without even mentioning classes or names. Granted, I was a little vague, but the class that I mentioned was at least a Collegiate English class. It took place at ASU, in the fall of 1998, and was surprisingly taught by one of the more established professors, not by a graduate student.

    You cite good teachers not caring about distractions, but I've not seen this myself, and you provide no data to back that up. So, again, it's your word against mine. I've found that good teachers do care about distractions, for they want to get the best out of every student in the class, and since different people have different attention spans, some teachers work to minimize the distractions.

    And you're a bloody fool if you don't think about human nature. I, being a pessimist, prepare to be able to handle the worst-case scenario, even though the odds of it occurring are small, because sometimes those odds are met. In this instance, a teacher who goes in thinking that everything is bubbly great is going to be sorely disappointed when she or he has to curve a significant number of grades due to problems of low marks due to student distraction.

    And as for "lack of skill", have you ever tried to teach a class? I sure as hell don't want to. I work in educational environments, and I see what teachers go through on a daily basis. I've seen teachers that are terrible, but by and large, they have a very tough job, especially in schools where students haven't been brought up to properly function in education.

    "But I am grateful to you for one thing: you've made me invent a new epigram: Fascism is the last refuge of the inept."

    You're truly amusing. I see that you've read "How to Win Arguments," by Dave Barry, but taken it a bit too literally. It was supposed to be a joke, after all.

    State mandated education, for K-12, is facist, or at least dictatorial, since it is required. If you are required to do something, it may not be pleasant. Additionally, many colleges and universities are state funded, and have guidelines that they must follow from government to remain in operation. Private institutions, believe it or not, often have even stricter rules, and a student has little choice but to follow such rules if he or she wishes to remain enrolled.

    Don't argue facts with me if you aren't going to produce any yourself.

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  146. don't by Vaughn+Anderson · · Score: 1

    Get a regular class room if you can... a bunch of internet connected computers for a _freshman_ english class with their screens all pointed away from you spells D I S T R A C T I O N. My computer classes had machines connected, that was hard enough keeping some people focused... oh, well, it's college, they have to learn responsibility sometime...

    Honestly, a "Freshman English class" does not need computers or internet... the amount of time spent on the technical issues with the computers or any asignments related to them (besides word processing), especially during class, will be wasted time...

    The thing I hated most in college was when a teacher had a "cool idea" that had nothing to do with specific course. No, offense, just a word to the wise. When I went to college I actually wanted to learn...

    Your idea of peer review sounds cool, use forum software for it, but make it optional, certainly not during class though...

    If you really want to teach them something, have everyone turn off their computers and pull out some paper, and say "today we are going to learn about English"

    If need be, add a foot note "And fortunately, computers aren't needed to learn about English"

    And if you really need to drill it in, "And in fact every minute spent messing with computers is a minute not spent on the English lessons in your book, which is why you are here."

  147. Precedent! by cos(0) · · Score: 1

    I realize that this post is very late in the game, but I hope that at least someone finds it useful.

    For almost the entire past school year my English 3 AP class participated in online discussions that I hosted with phpBB. It's still up for a few more days, so you are welcome to check out the kinds of discussions we had. It seems that EVERYONE found it useful and there are plans in motion to run one next year, but expand it to multiple AP English classes.

    Take a look.

  148. Use computers for research only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in my freshman year, I took the basic college level English classes that everyone is required to take to satisfy the general 4 year degree requirements. We did NOT use computers in the classroom, as there were none.

    Rather, the professor spent one class period with us in the library, showing us the proper way to use online periodical databases to help in research for papers. This was far more useful then actually having computers in the classroom.

    When we needed to get feedback on our papers, we'd simply pass a printed version around to a few classmates, and they would add in any necessary corrections. That seems far better to me than having to baby along the people that can't figure out how to use a message board or weblog (and there will be a few in every class).

    I have noticed that in the classes I have taken with a computer at each desk, some students will *always* be distracted by them, no matter how good of a job the professor does. In one of my business classes, the professor actually had a switch on the wall that could turn off every monitor in the room. Very useful for keeping people from surfing the net when they're not supposed to.

  149. Listen to the students advice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to take "laptop" classes as a highschool freshman. However I promtly left the program because our teachers refused to let us use the computers like the program was intended. For example we would have to turn in an assignment at the end of class, but we did not have access to a printer, so we had to write it out on paper. Why not just email it to the teacher. If they don't want their boxes full, they should setup on for this.

    My best peice of advice would be to listen to any input the students have.

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  150. Use the computer as a catalyst by V_IL_Len · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I teach a class of high school students in a computer lab. Many of them are not particulary tech oriented. I use the class as a forum to introduce all kinds of ideas about the impact computers and technology are having on their world as subtext to the overall curiculum. I sometimes even assign slashdot as reading. Even tech competent people who can download mp3, surf the web, ftp, im, synch their pda whatever don't necessarily appreciate all of the other things that are available or involved. Things that apply directly to an english curriculum is the effect that e-mail and im has on language and language skills. How does cutting and pasting change the editing process from when you had to actually rewrite it each time. How do school policies on e-mail etc... affect free speech or anonymity which can directly affect or is it effect content. What is the impact of grammer and spell checkers on language skills. I talk about privacy and run ad-aware and show them the data miners that get downloaded onto the computers every day. I don't exclusively focus on any of this. Each day for the beginning of the class I spend 10min on a new topic, use the computers for examples, usually they have questions. When we went from handwritten to typewriters language and the process of writing changed. When we went from typewriters to computers everything about writing changed. Not only the process of writing but editing, research, publication, distribution, duplication, referencing etc... Some things got a lot easier some got harder partiularly learning the basics and not just shortcuts. While you are teaching those basics challenge them to see the good and the bad of how things are changing. Encourage them take an active role in choosing their relationship with technology and appreciate the implications of those choices.

  151. Other options by mistermund · · Score: 1

    Had an English class that decided to meet in one of the computer-equipped labs one day. In a few min we had all popped into AIM (I couldn't convince the others to IRC) and started chatting. A few minutes later we had the prof's pic posted on hotornot.com - we checked back later and he'd done pretty well.

  152. Don't Don't Don't by hoover10001 · · Score: 1
    Don't allow your students to use a computer in the classroom. I've taught computer classes, where the computer was a necessity, and at least 30% of the class would not pay attention to lectures, because they were too busy surfing the net, answering e-mails, or IMing each other.

    If you absolutly have to allow computers, make sure that they are turned off when you are having classroom discussions.

    1. Re:Don't Don't Don't by DMDx86 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If the students want to squander their time, then thats their problem! In college, its no longer the responsibility of the school to force the student to learn.

      Some people know how to multitask, dont ruin it.

  153. Collaborative writing by wurp · · Score: 1

    via a wiki such as twiki. TWiki lets you edit web pages from any web browser, with a slew of features to let you review history and the like.

    1. Re:Collaborative writing by denny_d · · Score: 1

      Wiki's are very cool. I use them all of the time for lesson plans. I like Tiki myself. Easier to get going.

      Something I've chewed on often, imagine if all curricula was free, built on a Wiki like format. Kind of like Wikipedia but with an agenda. A community, teachers, parents, students, could build the curricula from the most concerned sources. Everyone.

      Combine a wiki with a chatterbot individually tailored to watch all of a student's input and you've got the beginnings of a knowledge bot. A knowledge bot and tutor bot.

      You've got to see what bored kids do when they're put in front of a computer. They are not bored anymore.

  154. My Experiences by Wtcher · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, I'll keep it short. I went to a University which had developed, as one of its founding principles, an online learning bent. We had what was called a Course Management System which was used to distribute course text (notes were online, text readings were online), had an integrated syllabus, could be used to submit homework, did contain instructor presentations, had asynchronous forums for every course and also provided many other things I don't recall. This dream system has since been replaced by something much better behaved cross-platform and which is also less effective. You may want to visit www.surrey.sfu.ca for more information - my university was subsumed into this one and is now a smaller satellite campus - of sorts.

    Also, you may be able to find some further resources at http://www.netvironments.org/nne/ as this is also a tool which can be used to facilitate cooperative learning. I'm afraid I never explored this one to its true potential, so I'm not entirely aware as to what it's capable of - however, it does not seem to have any forums. On the other hand, users can produce their own "home pages" with which they could theoretically blog, and it does have a nice interface.

    I've also participated in a number of forum-based classes. Here are some pointers:

    You want a discussion facilitator - preferably more than one, really. I hesitate to say moderator, since their functions encompass far more than that.

    If you set deadlines, some learners will post some short periods of time right before the deadline. Unfortunately, by that point much of the content has been rehased to some degree. This is less advice than an observation.

    I can't think of anything else at the moment. If you ask me for more specifics, I'll be happy to provide. :) Oh, and my university's name was the Technical University of British Columbia.

    If you want to ask some students about their experiences and such, feel free to visit http://www.tekbc.com :)

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  155. Message Boards by Universal+Indicator · · Score: 1

    I've taken a few online classes (one of them was English) in a college setting, and the number one bit of advice I could give is to be careful of "message board" type communication, namely because a lot of people are not very good at expressing themselves with words and things often come out sounding completely different from what the person meant to say. If people get over-emotional in this situation, things can get blown out of proportion, and it will make students decide to take a different class.

    That's what happened with me anyway. Ignorant fucks! LOL

  156. AIML bots by aimlguru · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Introduce the open standard AIML (Artificial Intelligence Markup Language) to your students and let them create their own chat bot!

    Challenge them to compose a believable character and let the chat bots talk to each other.

    Information about AIML can be found at: http://www.aiml.info

    AIML interpreters can be downloaded from http://www.alicebot.org.

    An example of a chat bot can be found at: http://www.pandorabots.com/pandora/talk?botid=9ba1 2d545e345254

    1. Re:AIML bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      holy shit. I was thinking the same thing. I've got one started for Romeo and Juliet. too scared to post it.

  157. weblogs are not collaborative tools by 1gor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...by design since they are not "multi-user". They are more like individual diaries. You would to give your users opportunity to interact with each other with some community software like Geeklog or OpenACS.

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  158. 4 Tragedies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's see.....

    the 4 tragedies= Hamlet, Lear, Macbeth, and Othello?

    but also....
    Julius Ceasar
    Titus Andronicus
    Coriolanus
    Timon of Athens
    Romeo and Juliet
    Antony and Cleopatra
    Cymbeline,

    and (maybe) Troilus and Cressia.

    Maybe these are not the very most accessible; but, jeeze, they do *exist*....

    1. Re:4 Tragedies? by colmore · · Score: 1

      yes, but the "big four" are the ones you're generally assumed to know as a well-read person

      i've also found they have the most depth.

      Shakespear has a lot of lesser work.

      Ceasar for instance, is only interesting for about two acts. It's a pretty good play, but it ain't Hamlet.

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  159. Use the tools which works best, PERIOD. by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



    Using the net can work to improve a persons writing, if these are highschool students, on the college level however, how is a person supposed to seriously learn writing by putting blogs on the internet?

    This is the problem with current English classes, this isnt create writing, its English, we should focus on the technical aspects of writing. This means proper grammer, indent every 4-5 sentences, proper structure of a paper complete with coverpage, introduction, table of contents, as well as citing every source and properly following a strict format if its a scientific paper or if its not scientific it must be based on overall quality of grammar.

    A person should get a grade based on how many errors they make. A paper should not get an A unless its technically perfect, meaning no spelling errors, no grammar mistakes, etc. This teaches a person how to write properly.

    Blogging while it could be useful to a highschool student, for a college student you should focus on teaching them the technical writing skills they will need later on when it comes time to write their research papers.

    Peer review is good, but you can peer review without blogs and without the internet, you can use blogs or not, it doesnt really matter. Second students must learn to write by writing alot of papers very often, over time they will become more accurate at writing, their spelling will improve, they'll learn to properly use word, and understand the formula involved in writing a good paper.

    This means the best way to teach writing is to make them write a 10 page paper every week, they submit the draft at the end of the week, the teacher reviews the drafts gives it back and then they write it again for their grade.

    Before anyone tells me that my grammar isnt perfect, this is slashdot, so dont even try it. Grammar is not important unless you are getting graded.

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  160. Computers in class are good, the internet however by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



    Yes I suppose a computer built into every desk, this is good and theres only benefits to this. As far as using this to actually using the internet to teach English, I think its a stupid idea.

    Look, we should allow the internet in class, kids should be able to research via the net what the teacher is talking about in their lecture. We should also allow computers, we shouldnt use the internet to teach english. It doesnt make sense.

    What advantage does the internet offer when teaching English? If you can name one, then I'll concede.

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  161. internet connection...? by kipple · · Score: 2

    ok please... turn it off at least until you speak (a good 20 minutes will be fine). After that people will get bored and start surfing the net, so let them do it for a while, then make a break and stop the internet connection again. finish your class with a new topic, try to forus people's attention on something new that you haven't said before.

    and yes, walk trough the classe once in a while (not when you're not talking)

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  162. Thats fine for highschool but by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



    The average college class is a lecture, internet connections actually HELP the lecturer because someone can look up on the net something they dont understand, you can also give them URLs to websites which they can view in realtime.

    This could actually help. Of course you have ignorant students who dont want to learn and who are lazy, who will be playing quake, who cares about them? Let them get an F so people like me stand out from the pack.

    It sucks to have a bunch of lazy students who dont study get a grade as good or better than mine simply because they showed up to every class and I was late to each class, or because they have perfect attendence, or are friends with the teacher.

    What the hell happened to people getting good grades because they write the best paper?

    Some people do study harder than me, but its usually only one person in the class, usually someone older and more mature, the people my age seem to slack off in school.

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  163. What about collaboration using wiki-wiki by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not set a task for the class as a whole to produce a collaborative wiki-wiki 'document'. They decide the theme (within some broad limits) do the research and create the content. I would expect it to use appropriate language, correct spelling etc and to be a coherent work.

  164. Blackboard works very well. by HanzoSan · · Score: 1


    The best thing I like about it is our grades get posted on it, I also like the fact that things like the syllbus and notes from the teacher are posted up there.

    I dont like when I lose a paper and have to struggle to get another copy of it, I dont like forgetting about a test. Blackboard will be very useful to me until I manage to get a PDA.

    interactivity among students (and instructor) that can extend beyond class time.


    This could be useful if we have a teacher who wants to teach beyond class time, most dont.

    online exercises of various kinds that lead directly to reports.

    Waste of time.

    Do people "write better" when they use computers? Probably not. However, I'm not going to use a typewriter or pencil and paper because of the convenience of editing, revisiong, conflating files that computers make possible.


    Its not the tool, its how you use it. Its alot faster to spellcheck from a program than to look through the dictionary and check every word you think might be spelled wrong (this could take hours). Its also easier to fix technical errors when you have a program to point it out for you, no more paying the english major $1 per page to fix your technical errors.

    I'd suggest you go slow in trying new things in your new teaching environment. Too many new things at once can be confusing and exhausting. And the concern some posters expressed about your students adapting to the computers is good. How much will you have to teach the students so that they can use the technology? When I began using email in classes, I had to teach them how to use Elm and WordPerfect. Now they come into class with much more knowledge.

    Your students were just slow, I mean really if someone cannot figure out Word Perfect in the year 2003 they must have been living in a Cave. In Japan middleschool kids are getting online with their little smartphones and emailing each other, hell most of them even know alittle about programming, you can only make so many excuses, if the japanese can do it, our kids can too, I dont see why we need some kinda buffer to allow our kids to slowly adapt when Japan can release something and within the same year everyones using it.

    The way to do it is to just give kids an assignment, tell them they must write a certain paper, allow them to do it by computer or pen and paper, the kids who do the extra research it takes to learn how to properly use Word Perfect will get an A and the ones who are too lazy to do so will get a B, unless they are so good at writing with pen and paper or whatever method to not need computer software.

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    1. Re:Blackboard works very well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Its alot faster to spellcheck from a program than to look through the dictionary and check every word you think might be spelled wrong (this could take hours).

      Judging from your post, some time spent with the said dictionary might benefit your general command of English spelling in places, such as /., where spellchecks are not available. Although I doubt it would take me hours to correct the spelling of your post, but then again, I studied English the old-fashioned way (OED, pencil, legal pads).

  165. Teachers shouldnt babysit. by HanzoSan · · Score: 1



    If students want to play quake and touch the keyboard, why should the teacher treat them like a baby "Stop touching the keyboard! Bad!! BAD BOY!" nooo

    its not the teachers job to do this, the teachers job is to lecture, give assignments, and review and grade our work. Discussions are also good.

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  166. Well then thats the teachers fault. by HanzoSan · · Score: 2, Insightful



    If the teacher cant give an interesting lecture the teacher shouldnt expect everyones attention, however if people dont pay attention and they get a bad grade the students shouldnt blame anyone but themselves.

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  167. Wiki. by Oscar_Wilde · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well if its for an English class, get them to do something interesting witht a wiki. Weblogs are all well and good but people get enough practice critiquing others work.

    With a Wiki you could see how they go when they have to work together to get something done. Simple wiki software such as UseMod, might not cut the mustard but you could try setting up a PediaWiki based site for them to work with.

    I'd imagine that there would be lessons in online anonymity to be learnt here as well....

  168. Adult Education by 876 · · Score: 1

    I'm currently in an adult education scenario, learning software development in a paperless classroom. While I have found it advantageous to be able to look things up during a lecture, I've noted that many people get distracted by the availability of Internet access during class. It's not just a high school problem. The difference is that learning is the student's own responsibility, but in my experience, a lecturer who actively tries to keep the students' attention during a lecture will get better results from them than a lecturer who doesn't care.

    1. Re:Adult Education by HanzoSan · · Score: 1


      Thats exactly why we have a grading systme so those who are dumb fail.

      Everyone knows whats at stake, if you were in the military and the enemy told all the women in town to strip naked, if you were stupid enough to be distracted you deserve to get shot.

      If you dont use the tools thats the ADULTs fault not the schools or the teachers, some people want an A and some dont. In college its not the teachers job to babysit and try to force students to pay attention, each student is paying money to pay attention, if they are dumb enough to waste their money let them take class again.

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    2. Re:Adult Education by 876 · · Score: 1

      I never said the ADULT's lack of attention wasn't their fault.

      My point was simply that even in an environment such as the one described above, computers can be detrimental to the learning environment for some people.

      This is not to say they aren't useful, they have their place and help immensely. And yes, if you spend the entire term playing flash games and taking nothing in, you deserve to fail.

    3. Re:Adult Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if you spend the term playing multi-player videogames behind the teacher's back and get grades ranging from B+ to A, like all but one kid in my high school CS class (11/12, not bad :) )?

    4. Re:Adult Education by 876 · · Score: 1

      Then it's clearly not causing a problem. 'Nuff said.

  169. Re:Computers in class are good, the internet howev by Jellybob · · Score: 2, Funny

    J00 CAN L3A7N 2 Sp311 dA r3a1 way.

  170. Classroom Software by PGillingwater · · Score: 1
    There are two solutions I have used, as an Adjunct Professor at a European campus of a USA-based University. The open source solution is DotLRN from MIT, which is based on the Open ACS Toolkit. If your University has plenty of money to spend, you might consider WebCT.


    Note that teaching a course fully online is very different from using the Web to supplement a course being taught in person. I have found that the Web tools available make it easier to extend the scope of the course beyond the classroom, and to facilitate further dialogue and discussion.

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    Paul Gillingwater
    MBA, CISSP, CISM
  171. Obvious !? by rasjani · · Score: 1

    You got classroom full of desktop machines ? Answer is obvious, you install Seti@Home to all of them ofcourse!

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  172. Not on SlashDot by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
    Formatting of the words is equally important, and I am not trying to be overly critical here, but if you had used a few <br> tags your post would have been much easier to read.

    ISDHO (In SlashDot's Humble Opinion), <br> approximately equals <p> anyway. If you'd prefixed your <blockquote>s with <p>s, your post would have been much easier to read. (-:

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    1. Re:Not on SlashDot by el_chicano · · Score: 1
      ISDHO (In SlashDot's Humble Opinion), <br> approximately equals <p> anyway. If you'd prefixed your <blockquote>s with <p>s, your post would have been much easier to read. (-:

      I agree with you and usually do put the extra space in there but I usually put <br>s instead of <p>s since no closing tag is required.

      While laziness is a virtue I guess I should really be typing <br />...
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      A man who wants nothing is invincible
  173. Look at Blackboard by LordMorpheus72 · · Score: 1

    not sure what exactly you are wanting to do with the class, but Blackboard (http://www.blackboard.com) is something we are using at our university in almost every major. it's kind of a beefy program and needs a beefy server, but it might be something to check out. It something the IT department would have to roll out and it may be overkill for what you want. Hope this helps.

  174. We tried this before... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We tried this at a top-tier university (name withheld because
    I'm up for tenure).

    We had a special classroom wired with laptops, interactive
    whiteboards, cameras, and all the latest toys. We found
    that most of the time, students would use the computers
    to IRC chat, check mail, post to newsgroups, and browse
    the web. It was a complete distraction, and did not help
    their in-class experience.

    So, my advice would be to somehow gather information
    about how your students use the computers. You could
    do something as simple as giving them a weekly one-page
    survey, or just having a dialog. I think you'll find that, unless
    you've developed some computer content for your class,
    the computer classroom will not be used effectively.

    Now, it may be that without the computers, students would
    be equally distracted--e.g., doodling in notepages, passing
    notes or reading for other classes during lecture. It's
    difficult to measure. But I'm certain that unstructured
    access to computers during class merely creates a distraction.

    You might try having students take notes for each class,
    and immediately e-mailing you the completed notes for the
    day. If you use a pass/fail system, you won't penalize
    students who can't use the computers effectively. This
    might provide an incentive for students to pay attention
    and use the computers constructively. But many students
    might not 'think' that way, and would find typing notes
    a burden.

    In any event, you'll need to find a way to compete for their attention. Unless you have developed computer content,
    I'd recommend not using the computers. Perhaps one day
    a week, you might have a 'computers in class' day where
    you have some purposeful activity structured around the
    computers.

    Alternatively, you could show up in a clown suit and
    juggle swords---anything to be more entertaining that
    reading online music gossip sites or playing flash games.

  175. Mod parent up! by msouth · · Score: 1

    This is almost always the best answer to this question. Don't ask "how can I use the computer". Ask "what does the computer make possible that was either impossible or impractical before", and then be sure to ask "and would that make my class better if we covered/did that?".

    Anonymous peer editing/critique is posible with paper and pencil, too, but it's much harder to do. Enter teh computer.

    But if you simply look for ways to use the computer, the overwhelming probability is that you will come up with some sort of extraneous add-on that doesn't really make sense in the big pigture. Which shouldn't be surprising, because you went out looking for an extraneous add-on, completely unmotivated by anything in the big picture.

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    1. Re:Mod parent up! by ProlificSage · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I agree whole-heartedly. I took Freshman English at the University of Connecticut, which is where the OP is planning to teach. That was 1985. We didn't need computers then.

      The problem I see with most non-technical classes these days is that the profs get so enamoured with the technology that they lose sight of what's important - the content.

      That said, the computer could be used for online collaboration, peer review, etc. However, I would limit the use of the Internet connection to the outside world to non-class hours. It's useful if you're in your dorm and need to check something at 2 a.m., but students should not have the added distraction of an active connection to the outside world during class.

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      Real software engineers regret the existence of COBOL, FORTRAN and BASIC.
  176. I work at UConn by Mapultoid · · Score: 1

    I am a computer tech at the School of Business here at UConn. All of the professors here having been dealing heavily with technology in the classroom (all Business students will be required to have laptops this next semester), you should contact them about how they use it. We already have WebCT, essentially a website for online teaching available to all classes. Why not go paperless? I know some professors here who have managed to do it. But contact your coworkers at the University.

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    Ben Garrison, a mindless idiot who will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.
  177. A Good Resource by jadbalja · · Score: 1
    Back in the mid-90's I taught sophomore world literature at the University of Texas in a computer classroom. At the same time I worked as a proctor in the Computer Writing and Research Laboratory there. I would highly recommend checking out their web site (http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu).

    The lab's mission for the past decade or so has been to explore and facilitate the use of computers in a teaching environment, with a focus on teaching writing (since the lab is part of the English dept.). Not only should the web site have resources and advice you can use, but I'm sure that any of the people involved with the lab, whether graduate students or professors, would be glad to "talk" with you.

  178. Blogging for class by ek778 · · Score: 1

    As part of my freshman year at UMASS Amherst, students were required to take a Freshman Writing requirement. The professor decided to make the class "technologically advanced" by making use of a blog style online diary. Each week, students were required to write 4 700 word entries. The teacher wanted us students to feel free to say what we wish, and thus allowed anything in the blog. After a few initial blogs of quality writing, it became an online flamefest. Anytime the teacher did something wrong, it showed up online. As a student, I felt as though the online aspect actually degraded my writing skills, due to the nature of the online writing. However, in my opinion, the use of computers in the classroom can be a distinct advantage. While the online blog may not be the best, students can use their computers to their advantage. For example, I feel completely uncomfortable writing on paper, and I prefer to type my ideas directly into a word processor. It just means less time I have to spend later, back in my dorm. Believe me, students love it when you give them time to work on stuff in the classroom. Props to you for checkin /. for suggestions.

  179. Great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about letting the students teach the slashdot janitors how to spell?

  180. Computers & Composition by ChinaCatSunflower · · Score: 1

    I have taught freshman writing in a computer classroom, and while students are occassionally distracted and check their email or attempt to register for classes online, a combination of small class size, a well-designed classroom and focused prompt can make a ton of difference.

    This is an ongoing debate and research on this issue in composition & rhetoric:

    http://www.abacon.com/compsite/instructors/readi ng s.html
    http://www.rhetcomp.com/
    http://english.t tu.edu/kairos/
    http://english.ttu.edu/kairos/6.2/ coverweb.html
    http://www.ncte.org/journals/

  181. Re:Waaay back in the 90's - err.. 80's by rapier99 · · Score: 1

    In the late 80's I took two college english courses at Michigan that used the CONFER II online system. (One of the earlier message board systems) I personally found the classes to be very enjoyable and very informative.

    The classes met 3 times a week and one of those class times was designated as an online meeting where spontaneous discussions could occur.

    We were also required to post our assignments on the board and review (and discuss) the work of other students. Instead of depriving us of face-time and limiting our normal interactions, the board system actually improved class discussions quite a bit. The system helped to quickly create a community within the classroom that translated into our face to face sessions.

    It was also extremely helpful to be able to get feedback from many sources rather than just the professor. (He also responded with his comments not only on our assigned work, but also on our analysis of others work, thereby improving our editing and analytical skills.)

  182. It works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    That is a very valid point.

    Hey, he is right. I am perfectly happy helping you with your grammar from an anonymous standpoint. I wouldn't have done this if you knew who I was.

  183. Concentrate on content, not format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are teaching basic composition, avoid any technology that provides advanced formatting capabilities that tempt the author to spend time tinkering with appearance rather than the content. The most important thing in early writing classes is to have the students write, edit, and analyze their text. Font styles and sizes, bulleted and numbered lists, even italics and boldface, are all useful features but the text is fundamental. If the text is bad, no formatting can save it.

    Actually, I think computers in the classroom are a bad idea. Computers are useful at home (or in the dorm) for gathering data, analyzing it, and preparing presentations from it, but in the classroom they are a distraction from the interaction between teacher and students that constitutes teaching.

    In the end, I think you have it backwards. You should not look for ways that the computer can help you teach. Instead, you should look for the best ways to teach your class, then see if the computer might be helpful with any of them. If the computer doesn't help, then don't be afraid to just open the windows and use it as a paperweight.

  184. WebCT/OSU and Online Collaboration by WillyLane · · Score: 1, Informative
    The Ohio State University uses a system, which is unfortunately proprietary, called WebCT. It offers bulletin boards, online submission, real-time chats, and some other features. I have only used the system briefly for a philosophy course some time ago, but it seems quite useful if the instructor is willing to embrace the technology.

    It seems that any online collaboration system, for any purpose, is going to require a similar feature set. A system which allows students and teachers to collaborate online is going to be very similar to a system which allows software developers to collaborate online. What is needed is a generic online collaboration system that can be altered to fit the needs of it specific user set. Preferably, one that is not proprietary.

    1. Re:WebCT/OSU and Online Collaboration by barchibald · · Score: 1

      Nicenet has been around for 7 years and servers thousands of students and teachers each semester. It's free...it is a good cause.

  185. The value is in the knowlegde by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Cam yourself whenever you're teaching
    2. Create an area where students can moderate-up sequences which you've defined as "units" of study.
    3. After several years you will have a knowledge base which you can edit into a course. Until then, credit students for helping you teach; don't pass this activity off as being of some advantage over being in the classroom, it isn't.
    4. The benefits of digitization are that it is searchably archived, available at any time, pace and place and hi-fi, multi-modal and hypertextually navigable. The advantage is that AFTER your course is completed THEN let it teach ALMOST AS efficiently as you would in person, but with no further work on your part.

  186. Kill the Internet connection by jwd630 · · Score: 1

    Lots of good ideas here, but as one who has done it too (for an upper class computer science class) if the students have access to the Internet in general they'll abuse it.

    Freshman will spend all their time AIMing their old high school buddies, checking out those sites that are blocked in the library, or messaging their classmates to do it. These are freshman who are having their first taste of freedom; not maybe motivated post-docs.

    If Internet capabilities are a necessary part of your class, get the sysadmins to put that access at _your_ control. That way you can turn off all Internet access except when you want to illustrate some point.

    Think about ways you can lead the students to see and do what _you_ think is important to the study of English in your class; but give them free rein and the CS majors in class will be re-writing your blog software for you. English will be the last thing they learn.

    The easiest: ask for a room change and give them Internet related assignments.

  187. Computers == Good, OUTSIDE the classroom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've had experience from both sides -- being a college student in a super-rich uni where profs could hire people to write and maintain awesome code, and being a high school teacher in a school that had an internet-wired lab.

    By all means get a bulletin board running (or weblog) to allow students to continue discussions after class.

    But when you're in seminar, or lecturing, keep computers at a distance (perhaps carry a strong magnet?) In the end, the classroom experience is about the unexpected, content-rich nature of face to face human contact, and you want to maximize this as much as possible.

    If students are posting on the web instead of coming to section, or e-mailing instead of forming discussion groups outside of class, you have let computers subtract a huge amount from the educational experience.

    Depending on the maturity of your students, bulletin boards can degenerate. Disallow anonymous posting except perhaps for a day or so at the beginning. If students don't feel "safe" enough to speak up in the classroom, *you*, as a teacher, have failed. There are no technological fixes for difficult students or difficult subject matter; there are powerful tools you can put at your students' disposal -- but they can become overwhelming.

    In the end, the perfect classroom doesn't need computers in the slightest. CPUs are like ballpoint pens and trapper-keepers: useful, enabling, but subsidary to the main duties of the classroom. Keep this in mind when you're trying to "solve" problems using technology.

  188. My experience by KillerHamster · · Score: 1

    My freshman honors English class was held in a computer lab. We were supposed to use the computers for research and writing time in class. We actually did nothing but waste time with them. As much as I love computers (and hate write research papers), I really don't think they have a place in the classroom, and that we would have learned a lot more without the distraction.

  189. Use a Wiki by redog · · Score: 1

    Wiki's are great tools for colaberation.
    You could structure it easly so everyone has there own "Free write" space and project space and mabe add a scratch board that everyone may take part adding to. build in a version tracker and you as well as talented students could be editors for "The project". yadda yadda I hated english, spell check is my freind. =P

  190. Consistency by op00to · · Score: 1

    If you're going to use the weblog for anything, use it for EVERYTHING. To have these sorts of things work, you need to have enough people actually critiquing -- that means everyone's got to be involved. I took an english class very similar to what you want to do. The prof. wasn't very strict about requiring people to use his web app, which led to there being very little content on the site.

    The next thing you need to do is make sure that the page changes with the class. If it's exactly the same as when you handed out the syllabus, no one's going to want to check the page. Make sure you update the syllabus online with what is really going on in class -- your students will thank you for it.

    Either REQUIRE them to use the computer, or don't use it at all. Anything inbetween will seem half-assed and won't yield any results.

  191. Computers by Redbw6 · · Score: 1

    First of all I want to applaude you. We need more teachers like you who are interested in creating a fun yet intellectual classroom. I don't really have any suggestions just make sure that the kids have a good time while learning. Computers are an essential tool now and if you can involve it in a way that the kids enjoy then I say go for it!!!

  192. Didn't work at a highschool by BrianDesmond · · Score: 1

    We had this setup in a highschool - the computers weren't really supposed to be part of hte class - the classroom was needed. The kids spent the class playing on the Internet. There wasn't much that could be done to prevent it, either.

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    --Brian Desmond