1.) You are giving your customers the choice of whether to pay for your product or not. You are telling me that I can buy one CDROM and install it on every one of my 2,000 computers for no extra cost.
2.) The biggest consumers of computer and computer related products are businesses.
3.) Corporations and Business owners are notorious for finding ANY way to save a buck no matter how far in the black they are. We all know this. Look at the RIAA.
4.) Businesses have people like you and I working for them, people who can setup and maintain systems (and read). We don't need to call tech support too often, we are nerds. I work with Microsoft Windows in my professional career, I've never called Microsoft once...ONCE! I don't need tech support and probably neither do you if you're reading this.
5.) Businesses like Microsoft better because that's what the rest of the kids are playing with, it's got more and better business software on it, and it's easier to find people to run the software.
Can you dispute these facts? Am I a troll because I have an OPINION!? Sorry, I'll try not to speak unless spoken to I guess. (NOT!)
I can't believe this has even gone on this long. Can't you people see that alowiches is RIGHT?
Let's look at this logically. The facts please:
1.) You are giving your customers the choice of whether to pay for your product or not. You are telling me that I can buy one CDROM and install it on every one of my 2,000 computers for no extra cost.
2.) The biggest consumers of computer and computer related products are businesses.
3.) Corporations and Business owners are notorious for finding ANY way to save a buck no matter how far in the black they are. We all know this. Look at the RIAA.
4.) Businesses have people like you and I working for them, people who can setup and maintain systems (and read). We don't need to call tech support too often, we are nerds. I work with Microsoft Windows in my professional career, I've never called Microsoft once...ONCE! I don't need tech support and probably neither do you if you're reading this.
5.) Businesses like Microsoft better because that's what the rest of the kids are playing with, it's got more and better business software on it, and it's easier to find people to run the software.
Can you dispute these facts? Am I a troll because I have an OPINION!? Sorry, I'll try not to speak unless spoken to I guess. (NOT!)
I called the number on the site to find out the price because it wasn't listed.
One of the developers picked up the phone and told me all sorts of stuff about the firewall including the price and then, when I told him that his product was on/. he freaked and said "Oh no! Our site is getting/.ed guys!!".
Shutting down bnetd does nothing to prevent piracy of your games. The source code is out there already:) The people who know how to crack your anti-piracy measures are also smart enough to get their own servers running and with the proliferation of broadband there is nothing stopping them from using it.
Shutting down bnetd did nothing but get you bad Press. Instead, you should have made a seperate server product that just stores/checks the CD Keys and require other servers like bnetd to implement this service.
However, I don't think that you really care as much about piracy as you do the loss of advertising revenue on your Blizzard.net service. I don't think you like competition in your own backyard, that is why you're hiding behind the DMCA.
Okay, let me post a reply that is equal in the amount of "Insigtfulness" but opposite in opinion and see what kind of score fucking stupid ass Linux geeks give this:
Linux Sucks
Linux Sucks
Linux Sucks
Linux Sucks
Linux Sucks
Linux Sucks
My point: a "100% office replacement" is not possible, people have been trying for years and Linux just sucks too bad to get it right:)
Would anyone actually recommend one of those Linux based "all-in-one" appliances that you guys love so much? You have to wait for your vendor to patch those too!! Do you hear anyone asking that question?? Nope.
[Mozilla]...is also easier to use, offers more features, and supports plugins into the interface better
Umm, how could you possibly say that Moz is easier to use? Yes, I have installed it...
My first session of use with it the address bar stopped working, not letting me type anything into it, only allowing me to pick from the list of history items.
The wheel button doesn't work to scroll the page when you press it down (it *finally* works when you scroll the wheel though!).
Even with the quick launch enabled it still starts up slower than IE.
Load times are slower than IE.
There's no keyboard shortcut to jump up to the address bar. As a matter of fact the help file has no reference for keyboard shortcuts period (now *that's* ease of use!)
On my 3rd use the Flash plugin and the toolbars stopped working.
There's no obvious way to customize the tool bars, you can't move them around, there's no fullscreen mode.
Shall I go on?
Oh, and to top it off, moz 0.9.4 hasn't crashed (or even glitched) a single time in weeks of use. Not a single time.
Well, if that's how you're measuring the success of Mozilla, then you've just conceded that IE is a much better product!
Oh boy. Have you even installed apache once?
Yes, I have on Redhat, NT, and Win2k. It sucked hardcore at all times due to crappy documentation, and lack of a standard interface to administer it (I don't enjoy editing numerous text files spread out around the system to control it!). This is what I was talking about with 'ease of use'. I don't want to hunt around to find a 3rd party gui to interface with it either. The only reason it's faster too is because IIS' default install includes a lot of support for things that most people don't use (index server, com+, etc.), and as for security, IIS default install is at fault too. (I happen to be a good administrator keeping up w/ security patches.)
Basically the only truth you've said to back up your statement of MS being superior in software development to the open source community is that openoffice doesn't do as much as MS office...it doesn't need to offer as much as MS office...most people use only a fraction of the features in Office...Does openoffice 6 do that? I don't know, I don't think so, but it can't be that far off.
Okay, then let me add to my point...since I've taken the opportunity to install OO6 and you obviously haven't.
The MSOffice suite offers more in the way of document formats of all types. This hardly falls under the category of a frilly feature that people don't use.
The MSOffice suite opens things a *lot* faster even *without* preloading it.
MSOffice comes with *more* AND *better looking* programs.
The OO6 install crashed on the first box I installed it on (Not installing that crap on my main workstation!).
Calc 6.0 has numerous calculation defects and has much less support for scripting (gee, nobody uses scripting features of Excel do they?)
Poor documentation compared with MSOffice.
Clipboard support sucks (doesn't work between apps!)
There's A LOT less support for OLE in Windows, a standard windows interface mind you.
It's ugly.
Don't be too hard on yourself for being completely wrong, it's only a beta and cannot be compared to a package that's been so tightly integrated into over 60% of the business in the world. I'm sure when the next release comes out it'll be taking over where MSOffice leaves off (snicker;).
Is there a freedom software distro for Microsoft Windows. Such a thing would be a great boon. They should be everywhere like AOL cd's.
There's not, because there's no money in open source...AOL can do it because they make money...lot's of it.
OpenOffice, Mozilla, Gimp, Apache(not enabled by default), Perl And so on... I mean really how many people would buy office XP if they had a shiny "new" cd sitting around with a free compatible equivilent....
How dare you say that OpenOffice is the equivilent to MSOffice? It's simply not so! Mozilla the equivilent of IE? Ha!! Gimp to Photoshop!? Don't make me smack you! Apache/Perl to IIS/ASP? Well, you may have something there, but not by much and only in the area of security/speed. (There's a lot to be said for ease of use in the corporate world!).
And no most people don't write vbs scripts in word they have enough trouble with fonts and margins.
But what if you did want to? (Obviously *somebody* does otherwise they wouldn't have put it there;)
Do you really think that your plan would work? Why haven't you brought this to IBM? They're big Open Source proponents...ya think they might have thought of that and said to themselves "Nah, we're just gonna sit back and let M$ make all the money!"?? No, IBM and other OpenSource backers (Sun, Apple) *know* that M$ products are currently far more superior than anything available for *nix. Why do you think Apple makes a big deal about MSOffice for the Mac being released?
No, its not your fault. Its the fault of the printer copy
Umm, it doesn't matter whose fault it is...it's a problem that you can't fix without major time invested.
You mean it has almost caught up with Mozilla for standards compliance?
Fuck standards compliance, I'll take slickness anyday. I don't care if the shit out of my dog's ass is standards compliant, it still stinks and that's pretty much on par with the NS/Mozilla experience...for users AND developers (Mozilla is poorly documented for developers and lacks the robust environment that IE provides)
So you seriously think that you could replace Windows with Linux on the desktop right now? Try setting up *any* type of office with just Linux as the OS. I guarantee I'll have a LOT easier time and get a MUCH better response from users using Windows than you would with Linux (and do it more quickly).
<sarcasm>
It's good that this bleeding edge hardware is packaged with only the best browser available today. </sarcasm>
Well, I guess one place I would be using something like this is in the bathroom which is where this crappy browser belongs!:)
Re:Your post is the only thing deluding
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MySQL & Nusphere
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Ummm where does it say that MySQL AB is planning closed-source releases of products with nusphere's gemini code in it?
First and foremost, a quote from a posting of a rep of MySQL AB on this messageboard:
We have not rejected Gemini from our source tree, and we have not asked them to sign over any copyright. InnoDB and BDB are other examples of third-party transaction handlers for the MySQL server.
In stead, we suggested to NuSphere a cross-licensing agreement whereby they could sell commercial licences of MySQL with Gemini and we could do the same.
From MySQL AB's reply on the mysql mailing list: Since I and Monty had a commercial business idea when we started MySQL
in 94-95 that was not what we wanted.
And don't be fooled by this little tidbit on the MySQL AB website 'official FAQ' for this little spat:
Does MySQL AB develop non-open source products?
No. All the software we develop is open source / free software. The core MySQL[tm] server is under GPL. Some other modules are under LGPL or some other open source licence. We do sell commercial licences of our own open source software, but that does not limit the availability of the same code under open source.
umm, selling a commercial licence of your open source software that doesn't bind someone to the open source license means non-open source. When Nusphere wouldn't sign over the copyright for Gemini, MySql AB got mad because that meant they couldn't include it in their closed source sales, which is what this whole pissing contest is really about, not some stupid website. MySQL AB wanted to sell closed-source licenses to mySQL with Gemini and they couldn't, now they're mad.
Your post is the only thing deluding
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MySQL & Nusphere
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· Score: 1
umm, nowhere in the quote that you copied from mysql.org does it say anything about the nusphere company or ANYONES responsability for development of the product.
If you'd read the posts that both companies had made on the mysql mailing lists, you would have read that the nusphere rep. stated that "As far as mysql.org goes, what NuSphere would like to see is a
non-profit organization running that site - we have been consistent
in this desire for over a year, but it has been opposed by Monty
and David".
You would have also read the mysql AB rep. conceded to the fact that "We know that MySQL.com is not yet all what it could be. But we have
worked on fixing this and we very recently showed our portals that
will be the basis of much more easily navigable information on MySQL.".
Why do you insist on saying that NuSphere is stealing when nowhere in your post did you provide *ANY* evidence to that effect? Furthermore, the.org name-space was created for non-profit organizations to use and that's precisely what nusphere was trying to develop with mysql.org. MySQL AB OTOH is sitting in the backoffice planning closed-source releases of products with nusphere's gemini code in it... reeks more of opportunism on AB's part methinks.
I've read reviews of the various IE6 betas written by technically inclined windows programmers (read: non-m$ employees) that say the IE6 betas are worse than NS6, which did have it's problems.
You're right, those reviews were written by those guys that have friggin penguins everywhere you look. Oh and are you comparing a public beta of IE6 to the [not list as a beta anymore] Netscape 6.01 that's available for download?
I think most people fail to remember what Mozilla is. It is much more than a browser, it's an application platform
Thanks for the link to mozdev.org, I was actually interested for a second, but most of the applications that are listed there don't even exist yet. Also, here's one project out of the whole 30 that are listed that I'd like to point out:
Recall - Crash recovery system for Mozilla browser. ('nuff said;)
I noticed that you had to install the few beta applications that were available...wtf? Can you say Active-X, Java, or any other number of things that when installed are app. platforms?? Furthermore, speaking from personal experience as a professional web applications developer, I can tell you that IE has been an excellent application platforms ever since version 4, especially on the Intranet level where you're not tied down with cross-browser restrictions.
Personally, I've decided that for public sites, if you really want to do a cross browser application, Java or Flash are the best choice. Internally, they're both fairly pure languages acrossed all platforms, and they each have a lot of capabilities, depending on the task. Other than that, IE has been a dream to develop on, very easy.
Oh, one more thing. Copy/paste is easier in X than in Windows. Don't believe me? Select the text you want to copy. Middle-click where you want to paste. Works every time.
Oh, you're right. In Windows I have to select the text I want to copy AND press Ctrl+C then Ctrl+V where I want to paste. However can you close the program that has the high-lighted text and then paste in X? What if you don't have a middle mouse button? What if you had a two button mouse and then installed a three button mouse just to get said functionality. Would the OS recognize it without asking you about it? These question's and more answered tonite at 11 on 'Why Linux Isn't Ready for the Desktop'.
Let's be honest: by interoperability you mean "apps and OS work together through proprietary, binary format methods that prevent interoperability with the rest of the world."
I meant two things by interoperability. 1.) For programmers, there's a standard set of widgets that have a standard set of behaviors. These widgets rely on the proprietary, binary format methods that you are describing. 2.) When I'm in any program in Windows, rest assured 9 times out of 10 I can press Ctrl+A,Z,C,X,V and they'll all do the same thing in each program. I can right-click on any text almost anywhere in the OS and get some options to copy or print. It's not just the small amount of shortcuts that I can list here, but so much more (File menus, File formats, Icons, etc.) and some things I couldn't list because they're so transparent to the user. I don't care HOW this is accomplished, but things like that are why Windows is so ubiquitous. I realize that linux COULD have all of these things, but it doesn't unless I want to build them myself. I think that is worth a lot to your average user.
And I have no problem managing signatures in KMail or Mutt...
I'm not debating that Linux in general and Linux apps in general aren't more flexible than Windows. They are! (There, I'm not a troll or a marketroid:) Linux is the OS that you can build yourself, and a lot of programs for Linux are programs that people can get the source for and make all the modifications they want. This is not what the average desktop user wants, they want what I described above.
Seriously, I'm a fairly intelligent guy and I still can't figure out how to change the Display resolution in KDE without doing it through a bunch of config files. Linux on the desktop behaves like it was built by a bunch of disparate programmers not working together because it was. This doesn't matter so much for the command line because all you have to deal with there is TEXT. On the desktop there's a lot more to deal with. Therefore, I think that until IBM or Apple (or a large group of very dedicated programmers that can organize themselves without having the project split 50 ways) decides to go head to head with Microsoft, I don't think Linux will be ready for the desktop.
Give me a break, you're going to compare ANY versions of NS/Mozilla, Word Perfect, and GIMP that you can get on Linux to IE 5.5, Word 2000, and Photoshop for Windows 2000!?
I'm sorry, but apps that you can get for Linux, that your average desktop user are going to WANT to use are about 5 years behind the ease of use and interoperability that Windows 2000 has to offer.
OOOH, you can get Quake & Civ geee, that really makes up for the other 90% of the games that only get released for Windows!
Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or a wuss.
Yeah, good one. "My OPINION is right, so that makes you wrong and therefore a liar and a weakling!". Go back to elementary school buddy, you're not ready for the real world yet.
I can break into your car, your house, tap your phone, look through your trash to get info about you. I can kill you in your sleep.
This is off the top of my head but I'm sure the list could be added to:) Just because I can doesn't mean I will though, just as most people woudn't.
Computers and the Internet mirror our individual lives and our lives as a society (respectively) and as they guy from CDC said once (Rob something, I forget his name...) "Life is messy, so's the Internet". Say, since I have like 6 or so computers does that mean I have multiple personalities?
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I can't believe this has even gone on this long.
Let's look at this logically. The facts please:
1.) You are giving your customers the choice of whether to pay for your product or not. You are telling me that I can buy one CDROM and install it on every one of my 2,000 computers for no extra cost.
2.) The biggest consumers of computer and computer related products are businesses.
3.) Corporations and Business owners are notorious for finding ANY way to save a buck no matter how far in the black they are. We all know this. Look at the RIAA.
4.) Businesses have people like you and I working for them, people who can setup and maintain systems (and read). We don't need to call tech support too often, we are nerds. I work with Microsoft Windows in my professional career, I've never called Microsoft once...ONCE! I don't need tech support and probably neither do you if you're reading this.
5.) Businesses like Microsoft better because that's what the rest of the kids are playing with, it's got more and better business software on it, and it's easier to find people to run the software.
Can you dispute these facts? Am I a troll because I have an OPINION!? Sorry, I'll try not to speak unless spoken to I guess. (NOT!)
I can't believe this has even gone on this long. Can't you people see that alowiches is RIGHT?
Let's look at this logically. The facts please:
1.) You are giving your customers the choice of whether to pay for your product or not. You are telling me that I can buy one CDROM and install it on every one of my 2,000 computers for no extra cost.
2.) The biggest consumers of computer and computer related products are businesses.
3.) Corporations and Business owners are notorious for finding ANY way to save a buck no matter how far in the black they are. We all know this. Look at the RIAA.
4.) Businesses have people like you and I working for them, people who can setup and maintain systems (and read). We don't need to call tech support too often, we are nerds. I work with Microsoft Windows in my professional career, I've never called Microsoft once...ONCE! I don't need tech support and probably neither do you if you're reading this.
5.) Businesses like Microsoft better because that's what the rest of the kids are playing with, it's got more and better business software on it, and it's easier to find people to run the software.
Can you dispute these facts? Am I a troll because I have an OPINION!? Sorry, I'll try not to speak unless spoken to I guess. (NOT!)
College kids are sick of being broke and want to make some money when they graduate!
I called the number on the site to find out the price because it wasn't listed.
/. he freaked and said "Oh no! Our site is getting /.ed guys!!".
/.ers!
One of the developers picked up the phone and told me all sorts of stuff about the firewall including the price and then, when I told him that his product was on
Way to go
Dear Blizzard,
:) The people who know how to crack your anti-piracy measures are also smart enough to get their own servers running and with the proliferation of broadband there is nothing stopping them from using it.
.02.
Shutting down bnetd does nothing to prevent piracy of your games. The source code is out there already
Shutting down bnetd did nothing but get you bad Press. Instead, you should have made a seperate server product that just stores/checks the CD Keys and require other servers like bnetd to implement this service.
However, I don't think that you really care as much about piracy as you do the loss of advertising revenue on your Blizzard.net service. I don't think you like competition in your own backyard, that is why you're hiding behind the DMCA.
Just my
Wayne
Okay, let me post a reply that is equal in the amount of "Insigtfulness" but opposite in opinion and see what kind of score fucking stupid ass Linux geeks give this:
My point: a "100% office replacement" is not possible, people have been trying for years and Linux just sucks too bad to get it right :)
Would anyone actually recommend one of those Linux based "all-in-one" appliances that you guys love so much? You have to wait for your vendor to patch those too!! Do you hear anyone asking that question?? Nope.
Oh yeah, but when someone is arguing against M$ they're not a troll? At least I have a f*cking account on /. you Anonymous Coward!
You can't even spell required you idiot!
Umm, how could you possibly say that Moz is easier to use? Yes, I have installed it...
Oh, and to top it off, moz 0.9.4 hasn't crashed (or even glitched) a single time in weeks of use. Not a single time.
Well, if that's how you're measuring the success of Mozilla, then you've just conceded that IE is a much better product!
Oh boy. Have you even installed apache once?
Yes, I have on Redhat, NT, and Win2k. It sucked hardcore at all times due to crappy documentation, and lack of a standard interface to administer it (I don't enjoy editing numerous text files spread out around the system to control it!). This is what I was talking about with 'ease of use'. I don't want to hunt around to find a 3rd party gui to interface with it either. The only reason it's faster too is because IIS' default install includes a lot of support for things that most people don't use (index server, com+, etc.), and as for security, IIS default install is at fault too. (I happen to be a good administrator keeping up w/ security patches.)
Basically the only truth you've said to back up your statement of MS being superior in software development to the open source community is that openoffice doesn't do as much as MS office...it doesn't need to offer as much as MS office...most people use only a fraction of the features in Office...Does openoffice 6 do that? I don't know, I don't think so, but it can't be that far off.
Okay, then let me add to my point...since I've taken the opportunity to install OO6 and you obviously haven't.
Don't be too hard on yourself for being completely wrong, it's only a beta and cannot be compared to a package that's been so tightly integrated into over 60% of the business in the world. I'm sure when the next release comes out it'll be taking over where MSOffice leaves off (snicker ;).
No it's not...
Is there a freedom software distro for Microsoft Windows. Such a thing would be a great boon. They should be everywhere like AOL cd's.There's not, because there's no money in open source...AOL can do it because they make money...lot's of it.
OpenOffice, Mozilla, Gimp, Apache(not enabled by default), Perl And so on... I mean really how many people would buy office XP if they had a shiny "new" cd sitting around with a free compatible equivilent....How dare you say that OpenOffice is the equivilent to MSOffice? It's simply not so! Mozilla the equivilent of IE? Ha!! Gimp to Photoshop!? Don't make me smack you! Apache/Perl to IIS/ASP? Well, you may have something there, but not by much and only in the area of security/speed. (There's a lot to be said for ease of use in the corporate world!).
And no most people don't write vbs scripts in word they have enough trouble with fonts and margins.But what if you did want to? (Obviously *somebody* does otherwise they wouldn't have put it there ;)
Do you really think that your plan would work? Why haven't you brought this to IBM? They're big Open Source proponents...ya think they might have thought of that and said to themselves "Nah, we're just gonna sit back and let M$ make all the money!"?? No, IBM and other OpenSource backers (Sun, Apple) *know* that M$ products are currently far more superior than anything available for *nix. Why do you think Apple makes a big deal about MSOffice for the Mac being released?
Okay, first MSOffice only loads a piece of itself if the "Office Startup" link is left in the Startup folder on the Start menu or in the registry.
I don't have MSOffice preloading itself on my 500Mhz PIII/128Mb machine and Word 2000 opens in 5 seconds.
Could you people get a clue before you spew your bullshit onto the web?
I would just like to take this opportunity to say that linux really sucks hardcore for many reasons.
This is for all the times I had to read m$ sucks when it had nothing to do with the article...
So there.
This is the first thing that I found on something that sounds similar to it:
http://www.delphion.com/details?pn=US06097591__
Well, hopefully Apple doesn't own a patent on the case, they don't like to share :(
Umm, it doesn't matter whose fault it is...it's a problem that you can't fix without major time invested.
You mean it has almost caught up with Mozilla for standards compliance?
Fuck standards compliance, I'll take slickness anyday. I don't care if the shit out of my dog's ass is standards compliant, it still stinks and that's pretty much on par with the NS/Mozilla experience...for users AND developers (Mozilla is poorly documented for developers and lacks the robust environment that IE provides)
So you seriously think that you could replace Windows with Linux on the desktop right now? Try setting up *any* type of office with just Linux as the OS. I guarantee I'll have a LOT easier time and get a MUCH better response from users using Windows than you would with Linux (and do it more quickly).
<sarcasm>
It's good that this bleeding edge hardware is packaged with only the best browser available today.
</sarcasm>
Well, I guess one place I would be using something like this is in the bathroom which is where this crappy browser belongs! :)
First and foremost, a quote from a posting of a rep of MySQL AB on this messageboard:
We have not rejected Gemini from our source tree, and we have not asked them to sign over any copyright. InnoDB and BDB are other examples of third-party transaction handlers for the MySQL server.
In stead, we suggested to NuSphere a cross-licensing agreement whereby they could sell commercial licences of MySQL with Gemini and we could do the same.
From MySQL AB's reply on the mysql mailing list: Since I and Monty had a commercial business idea when we started MySQL in 94-95 that was not what we wanted.
And don't be fooled by this little tidbit on the MySQL AB website 'official FAQ' for this little spat:
Does MySQL AB develop non-open source products?No. All the software we develop is open source / free software. The core MySQL[tm] server is under GPL. Some other modules are under LGPL or some other open source licence. We do sell commercial licences of our own open source software, but that does not limit the availability of the same code under open source.
umm, selling a commercial licence of your open source software that doesn't bind someone to the open source license means non-open source. When Nusphere wouldn't sign over the copyright for Gemini, MySql AB got mad because that meant they couldn't include it in their closed source sales, which is what this whole pissing contest is really about, not some stupid website. MySQL AB wanted to sell closed-source licenses to mySQL with Gemini and they couldn't, now they're mad.
umm, nowhere in the quote that you copied from mysql.org does it say anything about the nusphere company or ANYONES responsability for development of the product.
If you'd read the posts that both companies had made on the mysql mailing lists, you would have read that the nusphere rep. stated that "As far as mysql.org goes, what NuSphere would like to see is a non-profit organization running that site - we have been consistent in this desire for over a year, but it has been opposed by Monty and David".
You would have also read the mysql AB rep. conceded to the fact that "We know that MySQL.com is not yet all what it could be. But we have worked on fixing this and we very recently showed our portals that will be the basis of much more easily navigable information on MySQL.".
Why do you insist on saying that NuSphere is stealing when nowhere in your post did you provide *ANY* evidence to that effect? Furthermore, the .org name-space was created for non-profit organizations to use and that's precisely what nusphere was trying to develop with mysql.org. MySQL AB OTOH is sitting in the backoffice planning closed-source releases of products with nusphere's gemini code in it... reeks more of opportunism on AB's part methinks.
That should be enough said, but I know that next week someone will get something similar posted.
Go get your shopping advice somewhere else, having a rack in your house is NOT a new idea, or even an interesting one.
You're right, those reviews were written by those guys that have friggin penguins everywhere you look. Oh and are you comparing a public beta of IE6 to the [not list as a beta anymore] Netscape 6.01 that's available for download?
I think most people fail to remember what Mozilla is. It is much more than a browser, it's an application platformThanks for the link to mozdev.org, I was actually interested for a second, but most of the applications that are listed there don't even exist yet. Also, here's one project out of the whole 30 that are listed that I'd like to point out:
Recall - Crash recovery system for Mozilla browser. ('nuff said ;)
I noticed that you had to install the few beta applications that were available...wtf? Can you say Active-X, Java, or any other number of things that when installed are app. platforms?? Furthermore, speaking from personal experience as a professional web applications developer, I can tell you that IE has been an excellent application platforms ever since version 4, especially on the Intranet level where you're not tied down with cross-browser restrictions.
Personally, I've decided that for public sites, if you really want to do a cross browser application, Java or Flash are the best choice. Internally, they're both fairly pure languages acrossed all platforms, and they each have a lot of capabilities, depending on the task. Other than that, IE has been a dream to develop on, very easy.
Oh, you're right. In Windows I have to select the text I want to copy AND press Ctrl+C then Ctrl+V where I want to paste. However can you close the program that has the high-lighted text and then paste in X? What if you don't have a middle mouse button? What if you had a two button mouse and then installed a three button mouse just to get said functionality. Would the OS recognize it without asking you about it? These question's and more answered tonite at 11 on 'Why Linux Isn't Ready for the Desktop'.
Umm, in 5 years win2k will be Windows 2006. So if Linux will just be catching up to win2k in 5 years, I'll probably still be using Windows.
As for Macs, being tied to a proprietary OS is one thing, being tied to a proprietary OS AND hardware is just too much.
I meant two things by interoperability. 1.) For programmers, there's a standard set of widgets that have a standard set of behaviors. These widgets rely on the proprietary, binary format methods that you are describing. 2.) When I'm in any program in Windows, rest assured 9 times out of 10 I can press Ctrl+A,Z,C,X,V and they'll all do the same thing in each program. I can right-click on any text almost anywhere in the OS and get some options to copy or print. It's not just the small amount of shortcuts that I can list here, but so much more (File menus, File formats, Icons, etc.) and some things I couldn't list because they're so transparent to the user. I don't care HOW this is accomplished, but things like that are why Windows is so ubiquitous. I realize that linux COULD have all of these things, but it doesn't unless I want to build them myself. I think that is worth a lot to your average user.
And I have no problem managing signatures in KMail or Mutt...I'm not debating that Linux in general and Linux apps in general aren't more flexible than Windows. They are! (There, I'm not a troll or a marketroid :) Linux is the OS that you can build yourself, and a lot of programs for Linux are programs that people can get the source for and make all the modifications they want. This is not what the average desktop user wants, they want what I described above.
Seriously, I'm a fairly intelligent guy and I still can't figure out how to change the Display resolution in KDE without doing it through a bunch of config files. Linux on the desktop behaves like it was built by a bunch of disparate programmers not working together because it was. This doesn't matter so much for the command line because all you have to deal with there is TEXT. On the desktop there's a lot more to deal with. Therefore, I think that until IBM or Apple (or a large group of very dedicated programmers that can organize themselves without having the project split 50 ways) decides to go head to head with Microsoft, I don't think Linux will be ready for the desktop.
Give me a break, you're going to compare ANY versions of NS/Mozilla, Word Perfect, and GIMP that you can get on Linux to IE 5.5, Word 2000, and Photoshop for Windows 2000!?
I'm sorry, but apps that you can get for Linux, that your average desktop user are going to WANT to use are about 5 years behind the ease of use and interoperability that Windows 2000 has to offer.
OOOH, you can get Quake & Civ geee, that really makes up for the other 90% of the games that only get released for Windows!
Anyone who says otherwise is a liar or a wuss.
Yeah, good one. "My OPINION is right, so that makes you wrong and therefore a liar and a weakling!". Go back to elementary school buddy, you're not ready for the real world yet.
I can break into your car, your house, tap your phone, look through your trash to get info about you. I can kill you in your sleep.
:) Just because I can doesn't mean I will though, just as most people woudn't.
This is off the top of my head but I'm sure the list could be added to
Computers and the Internet mirror our individual lives and our lives as a society (respectively) and as they guy from CDC said once (Rob something, I forget his name...) "Life is messy, so's the Internet". Say, since I have like 6 or so computers does that mean I have multiple personalities?
God I hate that.