It's really hard sometimes to get a proper picture of someone in your mind from just a few lines on a web message board
I get kicked out of irc channels a lot because people can't tell when I'm 'acting out' or serious about the attitude that I'm portraying:) I don't completely share that 'I'm not paying for it if it's free' attitude, but I think a lot of people do. I do like a good deal though, and like Napster (once again!) Slashdot is (IMHO) the best of it's kind out there, so I support them as much as possible.
...like no ad banners and a little box to track replies to messages...
I have always wondered why Slashdot doesn't incorporate a feature that notifies you via email when someone replies to a posting of yours. This is almost a standard message board feature. As far as paying for these types of features, my personal opinion is that Slashdot would get spotty returns on it, but I couldn't say for sure without some hard-core research into the subject:)
Maybe most people on Slashdot are brainiacs from the planet kryton-7 that need straight info, but the question was whether Flash sucks, which is an opinion rather than a fact, but I'll try to sway your opinion anyway.
Here's my point: Flash may suck for your purpose and may be used improperly by people (developers) that are trying to help you fulfill your info-culling desires, but it does not suck for everyone. Flash may have no value to you if all you want is info, but I enjoy creating animations and looking at other peoples.
I agree with the killer-car analogy though, it *is* misused on some pages, by developers, but by no means does it *suck*. (I just hate when people spew their opinion onto the board without backing it up and I also happened to disagree that Flash sucks because a lot of people love it.:) Personally, I think it's the future of the web because the web is turning into something like TV.
There are some fine lines in my comments that I think you're missing. I did not mention anything about anyone doing me any favors, the subject at hand was the service that Slashdot provides and whether it would be feasible for them to start requiring people to pay for it. I click on Slashdot's banners, I think that's enough in return to the creators for providing the so-called 'blackboard' that the *users* (the people who provide the really interesting stuff) can write on.
Please don't tell me that you're so moral and principled that if some guy was selling pineapples for a buck and a guy acrossed the street was giving them away, you wouldn't walk acrossed the street to get a free one. I click on their banners all the time and I feel that's enough for regurgitated stories and *other* peoples comments on them.
My point was that basic human nature dictates that generally if people can get it for free, they are not going to want to pay for it. My example for that point was Napster. Similar to Napster, Slashdot's *real* value is in what the users provide, not the creators. It's not exactly the same, but the analogy fits.
I personally do agree with you about favors though. If somebody does me a favor, I automatically want to do them a favor back (and I do). The real problem with this world i think is that people are always trying to tell you how they want you to live your life. So please think about it before you start calling people self-centered and calloused. Nobody said anything about favors, I'm not about to try to prove to somebody else who has no right to judge me in the first place that I'm a moral, principled human being. I know I may have come off sounding a little calloused at first, but that's because I started off by pointing out the reality of the idea that people should/could/woud pay for Slashdot, not my moral standpoint.
BTW, Do you click on the banners? Because that's something you can do *now* to help Slashdot. That's something that's based on reality.
...IE tries and often succeeds in rendering completely invalid HTML. It seems to me that it isn't too much to ask that a web developer run his HTML through a validator.
Come on, if that's your only problem with IE, than in my opinion you're being a little too picky. That's not even a fault of IE it's IE trying to make up for something the developers do. Actually, it's not even trying to make up for what developers do as much as be flexible enough *now* for any changes that might be made to standards and the way that people might code.
If you don't have the time to explain yourself, then why do you even bother?
Please while you're at it, tell me why TV, Cartoons, Movies, or crisp illustrations suck too and I'll make everyone stop creating them, because everyone hates them.
Fricking shiny flashing ad-filled fluffy empty bullshit was the other point and niether had anything to do with KDE. (I personally think KDE and Gnome have a decent shot against Windows, especially once consoles (which linux ports easily to) start popping up more and more in conjunction with HDTV and the like:)
As long as Flash keeps working on all platforms (most) though, I won't mind, because personally I think vector layout is the future of the web experience and since it's mostly mathematical, so it's easy to port.
The ideal implementation for this technology would allow scanners to track the id tags from a few feet thereby allowing companies to track you as you walked thru doorways of stores. They could then link the id on the tag on your pair of pants to the credit card used to purchase them and track you anywhere you go.
When you get into your car, it might transmit your whereabouts back to the central nervous system of it's navigational service, and track you that way.
What's the worst they can do with this information? Kill me?
Well, I had fun today anyway so if they kill me, it's okay.
A web page with a video on it and some instructions on how to do something technical. How about video games or movies, do you like those? Because this is the kind of 'fluff' that an idyllic internet of the 21st century could provide.
This has all been possible for some time, now we just need the bandwidth:)
Umm have you ever been to www.flashkit.com or any of the other flash sites? They have a huge community built up around the idea that artistic design is actually worth something and actually conveys some kind of information to the end user. Without artistic design, all web pages would look and act the same. Pictures illustrate ideas.
A tree menu for instance is the perfect illustration of heiarchically organized information material, but we still don't have one that works really well on all browsers. I'm now learning Flash because it runs on IE and Netscape, Windows, Mac, and Linux AND it supports XML data and *sockets with events* to and from the server. I wish I had started learning it a long time ago. My first real project in flash was to make a dynamic tree menu that populates itself with xml from the server. This will be really useful to me and people coming to my site when I finish it (there is a lot to learn). I will be able to do things like have a message board system with thousands of nodes on it, or a categoricaly organization of coding snippets and techniques, links or ideas that are available to anyone.
If you use IE and an Intellimouse on Windows, you can press and hold Ctrl and scroll the wheel to resize all of the fonts on a page. Hell, it can't get much easier than that. You can also apply your own style sheets to every page you go to. Gee, I guess I should give up on Javascript though, it just doesn't have any place in this 'web' world.
Well, you can't control everything in the world, why not just turn yourself off?
Javascript is not going to do evil things to your computer, just to the objects on the page. You can't get to Alt-F4 or (whatever window closing keyboard shortcut you use) to close a pop-up window? Please, what's the worst that javascript can do to you? Steal your email address? I can see turning off unsigned Active-X or Java applets, but Javascript? Please get real!
You probably use Netscrape on Losix anyway, which has an absolutely horrible to code for document object model compared to that of Microsoft's, so you probably get errors and strange behavior all the time anyway:)
Maybe a donation system could generate some cash-flow for Slashdot, but not much. Slashdot mostly reports on stuff that you can find on the net and in other publications for free anyway, so what are we going to pay for? The message board system? I can use NNTP and get the same thing for free. It's the same reason why nobody will buy music online when they can get it from Napster. If I can get it for free, I'm not paying for it.
Didja ever think that people want to do less work than more? I couldn't give a fuck less if you visit my site if you want to browse the web in some beatup piece of shit browser, you're not the guy I'm looking for. Why should I work extra hard (&& code in an OUTMODED javascript object model that doesn't make sense like M$'s does!) to get you onto my site?? Why?
The guy I want on my site is the one who wants to get work done and communicate with the rest of the world with a minimal amount of fuss, not the freakboy 'XML hacker' (ooh, there it is again, it's sooo sexy!) who uses linux to get his nads off and who has a personal agenda to try to convince the rest of the world that his way is better! Fuck you, I won't it.
I already know that IE and Windows is better, and you can't say a god damned thing to convince me or the rest of the world that are using it and developing exclusively for it otherwise. Go ahead, try it:) (oh, I guess the *knowledge* of a website that will work with every crap browser that's out there is too good for me mister daily XML hacker? Well, I can read too buddy, how about that!)
If you want to do business with *my* company, you'd better have a computer with fucking IE 5+, Adobe Acrobat, and Flash on it, or you're not doing bussiness with us, period. If you're business is institutionalized on Linux (which there is none of anyway), then you're shit out of luck asshole.
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Look, nobody's gonna pay for slashdot. (that's how you puncuate it fool)
Let's face reality here, please be honest with yourself. People complain about NYTimes *FREE* registration and all they want is your stupid fake email address!
(Comments that have to be made before somebody comes out with a totally unrelated anti-microsoft comment)
Do you people *really* have nothing better to do? Does Microsoft really hurt you that much? Do you really think that the world is meant to be perfect and the software industry owes you something? What? Oh, you're thirteen! Of course...
Paranoid? Just because some company doesn't want to support Linux makes them an MS Lackey? Please explain to me the great injustice that has happened here, because if this is news so is every piece of software that comes out for an MS platform and not Linux.
"CPRM (Content Protection for Recordable Media) technology was developed jointly by IBM, Intel,
Matsushita, and Toshiba ("4C"), and was designed to meet the requirements of SDMI. This
proposal extends CPRM and similar content protection schemes to ATA devices and is strictly
optional. This type of content protection is primarily useful in portable, removable, devices that
need to interchange with different hosts or consumer electronics players/recorders."
Read the proposal found at the address below.
The second paragraph in the thing clearly states that inclusion of the protection schemes is STRICTLY OPTIONAL and is PRIMARILY useful in portable, removable, devices that need to interchange with different hosts, players/recorders etc. Am I missing something here?
Slashdot Mirror
It's really hard sometimes to get a proper picture of someone in your mind from just a few lines on a web message board
I get kicked out of irc channels a lot because people can't tell when I'm 'acting out' or serious about the attitude that I'm portraying :) I don't completely share that 'I'm not paying for it if it's free' attitude, but I think a lot of people do. I do like a good deal though, and like Napster (once again!) Slashdot is (IMHO) the best of it's kind out there, so I support them as much as possible.
I have always wondered why Slashdot doesn't incorporate a feature that notifies you via email when someone replies to a posting of yours. This is almost a standard message board feature. As far as paying for these types of features, my personal opinion is that Slashdot would get spotty returns on it, but I couldn't say for sure without some hard-core research into the subject :)
Well, I'll see ya on the boards!
Maybe most people on Slashdot are brainiacs from the planet kryton-7 that need straight info, but the question was whether Flash sucks, which is an opinion rather than a fact, but I'll try to sway your opinion anyway.
Here's my point: Flash may suck for your purpose and may be used improperly by people (developers) that are trying to help you fulfill your info-culling desires, but it does not suck for everyone. Flash may have no value to you if all you want is info, but I enjoy creating animations and looking at other peoples.
I agree with the killer-car analogy though, it *is* misused on some pages, by developers, but by no means does it *suck*. (I just hate when people spew their opinion onto the board without backing it up and I also happened to disagree that Flash sucks because a lot of people love it. :) Personally, I think it's the future of the web because the web is turning into something like TV.
There are some fine lines in my comments that I think you're missing. I did not mention anything about anyone doing me any favors, the subject at hand was the service that Slashdot provides and whether it would be feasible for them to start requiring people to pay for it. I click on Slashdot's banners, I think that's enough in return to the creators for providing the so-called 'blackboard' that the *users* (the people who provide the really interesting stuff) can write on.
Please don't tell me that you're so moral and principled that if some guy was selling pineapples for a buck and a guy acrossed the street was giving them away, you wouldn't walk acrossed the street to get a free one. I click on their banners all the time and I feel that's enough for regurgitated stories and *other* peoples comments on them.
My point was that basic human nature dictates that generally if people can get it for free, they are not going to want to pay for it. My example for that point was Napster. Similar to Napster, Slashdot's *real* value is in what the users provide, not the creators. It's not exactly the same, but the analogy fits.
I personally do agree with you about favors though. If somebody does me a favor, I automatically want to do them a favor back (and I do). The real problem with this world i think is that people are always trying to tell you how they want you to live your life. So please think about it before you start calling people self-centered and calloused. Nobody said anything about favors, I'm not about to try to prove to somebody else who has no right to judge me in the first place that I'm a moral, principled human being. I know I may have come off sounding a little calloused at first, but that's because I started off by pointing out the reality of the idea that people should/could/woud pay for Slashdot, not my moral standpoint.
BTW, Do you click on the banners? Because that's something you can do *now* to help Slashdot. That's something that's based on reality.
Come on, if that's your only problem with IE, than in my opinion you're being a little too picky. That's not even a fault of IE it's IE trying to make up for something the developers do. Actually, it's not even trying to make up for what developers do as much as be flexible enough *now* for any changes that might be made to standards and the way that people might code.
If you don't have the time to explain yourself, then why do you even bother?
Please while you're at it, tell me why TV, Cartoons, Movies, or crisp illustrations suck too and I'll make everyone stop creating them, because everyone hates them.
Fricking shiny flashing ad-filled fluffy empty bullshit was the other point and niether had anything to do with KDE. (I personally think KDE and Gnome have a decent shot against Windows, especially once consoles (which linux ports easily to) start popping up more and more in conjunction with HDTV and the like
As long as Flash keeps working on all platforms (most) though, I won't mind, because personally I think vector layout is the future of the web experience and since it's mostly mathematical, so it's easy to port.
The ideal implementation for this technology would allow scanners to track the id tags from a few feet thereby allowing companies to track you as you walked thru doorways of stores. They could then link the id on the tag on your pair of pants to the credit card used to purchase them and track you anywhere you go.
When you get into your car, it might transmit your whereabouts back to the central nervous system of it's navigational service, and track you that way.
What's the worst they can do with this information? Kill me?
Well, I had fun today anyway so if they kill me, it's okay.
A web page with a video on it and some instructions on how to do something technical. How about video games or movies, do you like those? Because this is the kind of 'fluff' that an idyllic internet of the 21st century could provide.
This has all been possible for some time, now we just need the bandwidth :)
The web never was about artistic design
Umm have you ever been to www.flashkit.com or any of the other flash sites? They have a huge community built up around the idea that artistic design is actually worth something and actually conveys some kind of information to the end user. Without artistic design, all web pages would look and act the same. Pictures illustrate ideas.
A tree menu for instance is the perfect illustration of heiarchically organized information material, but we still don't have one that works really well on all browsers. I'm now learning Flash because it runs on IE and Netscape, Windows, Mac, and Linux AND it supports XML data and *sockets with events* to and from the server. I wish I had started learning it a long time ago. My first real project in flash was to make a dynamic tree menu that populates itself with xml from the server. This will be really useful to me and people coming to my site when I finish it (there is a lot to learn). I will be able to do things like have a message board system with thousands of nodes on it, or a categoricaly organization of coding snippets and techniques, links or ideas that are available to anyone.
Oh yeah, Flash SUCKS too! (can you sense the sarcasm?)
If you use IE and an Intellimouse on Windows, you can press and hold Ctrl and scroll the wheel to resize all of the fonts on a page. Hell, it can't get much easier than that. You can also apply your own style sheets to every page you go to. Gee, I guess I should give up on Javascript though, it just doesn't have any place in this 'web' world.
Well, you can't control everything in the world, why not just turn yourself off?
:)
Javascript is not going to do evil things to your computer, just to the objects on the page. You can't get to Alt-F4 or (whatever window closing keyboard shortcut you use) to close a pop-up window? Please, what's the worst that javascript can do to you? Steal your email address? I can see turning off unsigned Active-X or Java applets, but Javascript? Please get real!
You probably use Netscrape on Losix anyway, which has an absolutely horrible to code for document object model compared to that of Microsoft's, so you probably get errors and strange behavior all the time anyway
Maybe a donation system could generate some cash-flow for Slashdot, but not much. Slashdot mostly reports on stuff that you can find on the net and in other publications for free anyway, so what are we going to pay for? The message board system? I can use NNTP and get the same thing for free. It's the same reason why nobody will buy music online when they can get it from Napster. If I can get it for free, I'm not paying for it.
Didja ever think that people want to do less work than more? I couldn't give a fuck less if you visit my site if you want to browse the web in some beatup piece of shit browser, you're not the guy I'm looking for. Why should I work extra hard (&& code in an OUTMODED javascript object model that doesn't make sense like M$'s does!) to get you onto my site?? Why?
:) (oh, I guess the *knowledge* of a website that will work with every crap browser that's out there is too good for me mister daily XML hacker? Well, I can read too buddy, how about that!)
The guy I want on my site is the one who wants to get work done and communicate with the rest of the world with a minimal amount of fuss, not the freakboy 'XML hacker' (ooh, there it is again, it's sooo sexy!) who uses linux to get his nads off and who has a personal agenda to try to convince the rest of the world that his way is better! Fuck you, I won't it.
I already know that IE and Windows is better, and you can't say a god damned thing to convince me or the rest of the world that are using it and developing exclusively for it otherwise. Go ahead, try it
If you want to do business with *my* company, you'd better have a computer with fucking IE 5+, Adobe Acrobat, and Flash on it, or you're not doing bussiness with us, period. If you're business is institutionalized on Linux (which there is none of anyway), then you're shit out of luck asshole.
this message brought to you by the letters *F* *U* *C* & *K* and additionally by the letters *Y* & *O*.
Look, nobody's gonna pay for slashdot. (that's how you puncuate it fool)
Let's face reality here, please be honest with yourself. People complain about NYTimes *FREE* registration and all they want is your stupid fake email address!
Get IE 5.5 on Windows 2000, it's the best!
You are truly a douche bag troll.
Okay ya freakin commies!
I almost want to learn Perl just to understand some of the comments on Slashdot!
Is this what we're destined to become?
(Comments that have to be made before somebody comes out with a totally unrelated anti-microsoft comment)
Do you people *really* have nothing better to do? Does Microsoft really hurt you that much? Do you really think that the world is meant to be perfect and the software industry owes you something? What? Oh, you're thirteen! Of course...
Don't the commercial industries OWN the government? Sure, they don't come out and say that but come on, we know who's running the show.
If this were regulated, it still wouldn't matter.
Paranoid? Just because some company doesn't want to support Linux makes them an MS Lackey? Please explain to me the great injustice that has happened here, because if this is news so is every piece of software that comes out for an MS platform and not Linux.
"CPRM (Content Protection for Recordable Media) technology was developed jointly by IBM, Intel, Matsushita, and Toshiba ("4C"), and was designed to meet the requirements of SDMI. This proposal extends CPRM and similar content protection schemes to ATA devices and is strictly optional. This type of content protection is primarily useful in portable, removable, devices that need to interchange with different hosts or consumer electronics players/recorders."
n ical/e00148r2.pdf
Read the proposal found at the address below.
The second paragraph in the thing clearly states that inclusion of the protection schemes is STRICTLY OPTIONAL and is PRIMARILY useful in portable, removable, devices that need to interchange with different hosts, players/recorders etc. Am I missing something here?
ftp://fission.dt.wdc.com/pub/standards/x3t13/tech
Linux Sucks. - g_byte
Sure, but the guy above who agreed (with everyone else on this site) that Win2k sucks isn't. Gimme a break.