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Palin was the first of many like-minded souls to write with this news: "On my weekly check of Mozilla's status, I ran into version .8 of Mozilla, which seems to have been released yesterday. What a nice Valentine's day gift that was. :-)" And Alphix points to the thing itself, and suggests some things
to read."
Mozilla is my daily-use,pH-balanced Web browser of late, so I'm glad to see that it can finally allow users to avoid the degrading spectacle of endlessly cycling animated .gifs.
I am using Sylpheed, it's quite a quite good 3 pane gtk mail client, rather stable, handles international character sets.
It does the job rather well for me. (small, fast, user friendly)
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may u!sh 2 sm!le at dz!z bad nn.!m!tat!ion
0.7 is not available via Debian proper, but add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list :
deb http://archive.progeny.com progeny main contrib non-free
I've been running the 0.7-0progeny1 deb from Progeny, a very cool company, for a while now.
Perhaps, I downloaded a nightly build sometime last week (build Id is on laptop at home!) which reported itself as 0.8.
Netscape is a well known brand name, even among non technical people; while Mozilla is pretty much still a best kept secret. To you (and myself) there really is no reason to use Netscape 6.x when the latest Mozilla is just as good if not better. I am really suprise that several people I know who are "brave" enough to install Netscape 6 on their Win98+ have no idea about Mozilla at all.
Now that AOL/TimeWarner own Netscape Corp., it make sense for them to contiue to push this brand name. Not only as a portal but an internet brand that is as famous as Yahoo or AOL itself. Imagine Netscape Chat, Netscape Mail, Netscape Messager; theses are things that will appeal to many AOL users. And this makes good business sense.
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This is at least the fourth time I've seen MozillaQuest information corrected.
;) )
/. has recently, either).
Back before the 0.7 release, it was widely known through newsgroup discussion and public comments that 0.7 was likely to be a hand-picked one of the nightly builds from sometime in December (in the end there was a brief branch for it, but that happened later). MozillaQuest ran a story in late December saying "0.7 is scheduled for the end of December, and seeing as it's December 29th or so today, that must mean that if you pick up a nightly tonight then it'll be more or less identical to 0.7, right?". Of course this was crap - the 0.7 build could have come from Dec 3rd, if that had been the best compromise of features and stability. (Of course, discussing the release process in a reply to Asa means that I'm bound to have got something wrong just by Murphy's Law, so the disclaimer is: if Asa disagrees with anything in this paragraph, then he's right and I'm wrong
Then I read another story on there - I forget the details of this one, but I think it was something to do with skinning, and even a casual observer of the project, such as myself, was able to spot technical mistakes in their comments. And that was intended as a tutorial for new skin creators!
Then there's the other comment in this slashdot article which Asa also corrected.
So far I haven't seen an article on MozillaQuest yet that I've considered up to the lowest standards of research and quality (although they haven't quite sunk to some of the depths
These days I just ignore any MozillaQuest link, despite being very interested in Mozilla info. I don't want to give them the banner ad money. Visit mozillaZine instead if you want accurate Mozilla reporting.
Stuart.
> More like Netscape 6.0 was released a few months too early.
I don't think so. AOL have different needs than mozilla. They needed to get something out, even if it is crappy. Bad press is better than no press. They release bug fixes, and will release a future version based on the mozilla trunk. At the end, they will have a browser as stable as mozilla is, but will have something to show before. Net result will be positive for them *and* for mozilla (if NS6 didn't exist, you would seem hundred of comments explaining why mozilla is a failure because nothing official was released...)
Btw, mozilla is my main browser for the last 3 months. Crashes often, but is better and better.
Cheers,
--fred
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There's all kinds of cool keyboard shortcuts in IE. My favorite is pressing F11 to get full screen mode. Browsing the web in full screen absolutely rocks.
- I don't care if they globalize against free speech. All my best free thoughts are done in my head.
Where did you scrounge that up? Search Bugzilla for "bugs" marked mozilla1.0 that aren't resolved... There's still a lot to go. We're definately going to see 0.9.1 and 0.9.2 before we see 1.0, trust me.
Chris 'coldacid' Charabaruk Meldstar Entertainment
I think he meant the people who actually decided to release the mess that is 6.0. Having said that 6.01 isn't too bad, so I reckon 6.1 will be spot on (at long, long last).
...or at least a better thing than the competition.
Sure, MS may consciously or subconsciously tweak IE to the likes of large corporations and media producers, but that's what they're SUPPOSED to do, at least to make money, and make a better product to boot. The fringe element of users who like to block all ads and save their porn for later is not worth designing a flagship platform for.
Netscape, and to a lesser extent, Mozilla seems to be going the complete opposite direction. If I were an IT admin for a large company, and browser A was plain and corporate, while browser B now includes a Shop button, and an instant messaging client, and the convenient ability to handle multimedia downloads more flexibly (oh, and the ability to turn off porn popups), hmm, which one would I choose?
Possibly the one that doesn't give people so many useless toys to play with, instead of doing their work... not to mention the fact that Netscape has a long list of other faults compared to IE. What's next, an eBay button, or a complimentary copy of Quake 3?
.8 won't even start on my win2k box, yet .7 and everything prior did/does. It just stalls on the splash image. POS.
no, its not at version 3.0, its at version 0.3
What are you talking about? That's already what Mozilla does!!! The browser, the mail/news reader, the ssl system, etc. are all seperate components, of which only the browser is compulsory to install. It has been like this for ages!!! I must admit that the composer is included with the browser, when it should be a seperate component, but apart from that Mozilla is a "component-based application".
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does anyone know when mozilla / netscape 6 will support ldap? does it already?
Yawn, yet another innacurate statement. The Mozilla I'm using doesn't have a mail client. It's a separate plugin package as you will be able to see if you go here. I also wish people would keep up to date with releases before whinging. Yes 6.0 was a mess, but 6.01 isn't and neither is Mozilla 0.7 and 0.8, so use them instead.
Did you know that the library Mozilla uses for animated gifs is in fact called 'libpr0n' ? :)
What's really great about Mozilla is that on the download page it says DON'T PANIC in bold letters.
Under version 5.00.xx (and presumably any later versions)
:) Oh, btw, shame on whoever gave information about it being impossible to turn of animations in IE without clearly exploring the "internet options" section for five minutes.
Tools->Internet Options
Click on the advanced tab.
Under the "multimedia" section, there should be a "play animations" option. Remove the check in the checkbox in front of it.
Viola! No more animations. Although, in retrospect, some slashdot ads don't make a lot of sense now.
Alright man.
That's just about the funniest thing I've seen all week. Someone should keep a database of these things. Actually, I might start one myself.
Crank on.
I dunno - see, I'm using Opera 5.0b6 right now, downloaded 2 days ago or so.
It runs. But the DEB package depends on libqt2.2-gl. I don't have the library installed, but it turns out that everything works for me.
However, it keeps slowing down itself over time until I have to exit the browser and run it again. The feature of "saving windows content" is helpful in this regard.
Well I guess, I'll just run the static version.
Reminds me of the old NCSA-turned proxy server "NoShit", and the Windows proxy "Proxomitron" I used to love before I left the MS world.
While features like disabling animated GIF's and disabling particular sites for popup windows, those nasty evil spamming advertisers are always brilliant at innovating new ways to bypass your filter controls.
Then, what are we to do? To respond to every one of their tricks right in the browser? Or should we separate the job and put it in a proxy server for that purpose?
The way I see it, using a proxy is the way to go. If you've tried Proximitron you'll know why. It's infinitely more configurable - user-configurable. Everyone will has the ability to scratch their own advertiser-induced itches.
Prozilla anyone?
We also know that version numbers are tuples, not fractions, right? Right?
The evaluation of an action as 'practical' . . . depends on what it is that one wishes to practice.
A lot of what you said sounds reasonable, but I don't think getting rid of popup and banner ads is a fringe element thing. I think that almost everyone would prefer to have the ability to turn them off, espeically the ones that flash on and off really quickly like a strobe light. No matter how you slice it, those ads suck.
I don't want to defend Netscape and its shopping buttons. The Mozilla I just dl'd doesn't have them. Most of your comments are about Netscape, so in a sense we're talking past one another. But I'll keep going anyway.j
Corporate IT guys are going to go with IE, at least in the foreseeable future. I wrote a web app for internal use at a real estate support company, and reluctantly had to agree with my boss that going IE only made sense. There are too many differences in DHTML and Javascript across platforms, almost everyone wanted to use IE anyway, and supporting other browsers would have made the project much harder to pull off. XML was a big bonus as well. And we didn't put any animated gifs in our app anyway.
But there's more to life than your cube. People wear bland clothes at work, they sit at ugly desks, and often have uncomfortable chairs. At home we have options, and hopefully we make sure things are better. I don't feel that my work environment ought to dictate how I furnish my apartment. Why should it dictate what kind of software I run?
I want to turn off ads, at least the flashing ones. Maybe that makes me sick and unamerican, but that's how I feel.
do NS6 and all Mozillas INSIST on importing my IE bookmarks every single goddam time I run the app???!
;)
They both nicely import my NS4.7x user profiles, giving me one full set of bookmarks, so why the fuck would I then want another complete copy of the same ones imported from IE? I already synchronize them for the very rare occasion I use IE, and you cannot get rid of the IE ones!
I want to submit this to Bugzilla with many flaming comments, but fear it will be rejected
Pope
Freedom is Slavery! Ignorance is Strength! Monopolies offer Choice!
It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
That was supposed to go under the post from the MIT guy who likes IE.
Time to go to sleep.
In Mozilla builds for Linux for the last several weeks, I've been having problems with the browser freezing, then steadily consuming all my RAM, then my entire swap partition. If I don't kill the browser, within about 45 seconds it will cause my system to lock up. It only seems to happen on certain pages, though. For instance, this page causes the freeze for me 100% of the time. I am considering filing a bug report, but I'd like to find out if it is Mozilla or something with my system. Can anyone reproduce this problem?
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"Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it."
--Henry David Thoreau
> But even in the latter case, their sole purpose is to provide that sleazy sense of tactless
;-)
> production one comes to expect from all forms of adult entertainment.
I'm not going to defend animated GIFs here--they're annoying as hell, and on a dialup 56k like most people still are using, they're absolutely evil time-wasters. I recall once being SO annoyed that a page was taking so long to load, because the animated GIF banner at the top must have had thirty friggin frames...
But I just had to ask: what do you expect *other* than sleazy, tactless production in adult entertainment? Proper, tactful production? I can see it now, on PBS's Masterporn Theatre: "Oh, Madam Deepthroat, bring forth thy heaving bosoms of delight, that I might feel them up whilst thou tastest of my knightly schlong, bedewed with premature trickles of nectar as sweet as morning dew. Oh, how I have yearned to taste thy tuna steak of love, whilst you get it on with my handmaiden in some hot girl-girl action..."
Personally, I prefer the straightforward smut of a Dark Bros. or Max Hardcore production to the polished coldness of some silly Skinemax-wannabe soft stuff. But, I digress...
"The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."--Tacitus, *The Annals*
I'm actually using a nightly build - 2001021321. Just about to download .8 - only for purity's sake. But man - I was gonna winge (again) about the (lack of) speed in Mozilla before I got this faster blaster going. Not need. Also Windows version is a lot faster. Nice work Mozilla team! This thing's coming together nicely.
It's amazing, actually, how much better Mozilla 0.8 is than Netscape 6.0.
A testament, I guess, either to the power of open-source or to the incompetence of AOL/Time-Warner/Satan/Netscape.
(shrug)
Ah, but the great thing about Mozilla is that you can have different distributions. In fact, people are already working on Beonex, a distribution targeted more at corporate settings. Microsoft is doing a similiar thing by packaging the IE engine in different ways (IE 6.0, MSN Explorer, etc).
Netscape/AOL pays the devlopers who are mostly responsible for BUILDING that great browser. Cut them some slack.
I haven't encountered such a version, and I saw most versions since 4.0. Maybe you've got some weird configuration error, happens all the time. Best strategy is to update or at least reinstall.
Jilles
I'm currently trying Nescape 6 and my main complaint is that it is slow. I haven't downloaded 0.8 yet. Can you tell me if Mozilla is (for sure) faster than NS 6? Since the two browsers only split from each other two minor versions ago, my concern is that mozilla code is just as dirty as NS 6 code.
If you run NS 6 from an xterm, you can even see some diagnostic/debugging printf commands like, "We are now in the SuchAndSuch function!" This is lame... Does Mozilla do a better job of getting rid of these little programmer bookmarks and bulk code?
I know these are all dumb questions, but I can't bring myself to spend the time to download/install another bulky browser to my poor machine if it is not going to be better than what I have.
user@host:/usr/bin$ whatis
java: nothing appropriate.
Mozilla's Unix versions depend on Gtk+. But Mozilla also runs on Win32, MacOS, OS/2, and BeOS. Have you got Konqueror running on all these?
BTW, I think Konqueror is an excellent browser.
You could apply that argument anywhere though. Why buy Windows when Linux is free, why buy Office when StarOffice is free. I'd buy Opera if it was better than what's currently available, which on Linux it isn't really, although it's getting there.
the coolest thing about the new version.
didn't even notice it at first. the right click popup menus actually work right in linux now (meaning they work the same way as every other x11 app). this has been their most reprted bug since at least m13. the fix got pushed back from milestone to milestone, and was eventually closed. i had pretty much given up on ever having a browser again other than ns4 where the right click popups behaved properly.
yay! thank you mozilla team, and whoever finally fixed this!!!
If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
Turning off animated gifs, true, there hasn't been a menu option for it. But, you can patch your netscape (any version) to play animations only once and then stop. I'll attach a little bit of C code I wrote that does the job for you.p
Still, it is nice to see the Mozilla guys including a preference to disable animation. Saddly, it seems that many users will never "find" it, judging from the post above.
* and "ANIMEXTS1.0" with different strings, so that
* netscape will be tricked into thinking all animated
* gifs are not to be looped. This is nice, since those
* annoying ads will play once and then stop.
*
* For more info, see this page:
* http://simmons.starkville.ms.us/tips/081097/
*/
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <string.h>
#include <unistd.h>
#include <sys/types.h>
#include <sys/stat.h>
#include <fcntl.h>
#include <sys/stat.h>
#define NETSCAPE "/usr/lib/netscape/netscape-communicator"
#define STR1 "NETSCAPE2.0"
#define STR2 "ANIMEXTS1.0"
const unsigned char *memstr(const char *haystack, const char *needle, int size);
int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
int fd, r, pos;
struct stat nsstat;
unsigned char *buf, *p;
r = stat(NETSCAPE, &nsstat);
if (r != 0) {
fprintf(stderr, "File %s doesn't exist\n", NETSCAPE);
exit(1);
}
buf = (unsigned char *)malloc(nsstat.st_size);
if (buf == NULL) {
fprintf(stderr, "Unable to allocate %ld bytes of memory\n",
(long)nsstat.st_size);
exit(1);
}
fd = open(NETSCAPE, O_RDWR);
if (fd < 0) {
fprintf(stderr, "Unable to open %s for read/write access\n",
NETSCAPE);
exit(1);
}
r = read(fd, buf, nsstat.st_size);
if (r != nsstat.st_size) {
fprintf(stderr, "Unable to read %ld bytes from %s\n",
(long)nsstat.st_size, NETSCAPE);
exit(1);
}
p = (unsigned char *)memstr(buf, STR1, nsstat.st_size);
if (p == NULL) {
fprintf(stderr, "Didn't find string \"%s\" within %s\n",
STR1, NETSCAPE);
exit(1);
}
pos = (int)(p - buf);
r = lseek(fd, pos, SEEK_SET);
if (r != pos) {
fprintf(stderr, "Unable to seek to offset=%d within %s\n",
pos, NETSCAPE);
exit(1);
}
r = write(fd, "NO_ANIM_GIF", strlen(STR1));
if (r != strlen(STR1)) {
fprintf(stderr, "Error writing to %s at offset %d\n",
NETSCAPE, pos);
exit(1);
}
p = (unsigned char *)memstr(buf, STR2, nsstat.st_size);
if (p == NULL) {
fprintf(stderr, "Didn't find string \"%s\" within %s\n",
STR2, NETSCAPE);
exit(1);
}
pos = (int)(p - buf);
r = lseek(fd, pos, SEEK_SET);
if (r != pos) {
fprintf(stderr, "Unable to seek to offset=%d within %s\n",
pos, NETSCAPE);
exit(1);
}
r = write(fd, "NO_ANIM_GIF", strlen(STR1));
if (r != strlen(STR1)) {
fprintf(stderr, "Error writing to %s at offset %d\n",
NETSCAPE, pos);
exit(1);
}
close(fd);
return 0;
}
const unsigned char *memstr(const char *haystack, const char *needle, int size)
{
const char *p;
int len;
len = strlen(needle);
while (size > 0) {
p = memchr(haystack, *needle, size);
if (p == NULL) return NULL;
size -= (int)(p - haystack);
if (size >= len && memcmp(p, needle, len) == 0) {
return p;
}
p++;
haystack = p;
}
return NULL;
}
PJRC: Electronic Projects, 8051 Microcontroller Tools
I did what they say, and it runs like a charm. You Mac people out there, this build is fine. I have had one crash from subscribing to a news server. I am using it now, and like it very much. I haven't touched my Netscape once today. I don't really need it. Good work guys and gals!
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You can turn off animated gifs in IE. In options, advanced (or somewhere similar), turn off 'play animations'. No more dancing baloney. Javascript can also be controlled from somewhere similar. The functionality is there, but as with most MS products, it's not easy to find.
> Does not crash, no memory leaks, fast, simple
> interface, etc
Nonstandard/buggy rendering, runs only on Windows*, all kinds of security problems, etc.
* MacIE is a completely separate code base.
The closed-source Netscape 4 was complete garbage internally and they had to throw it away. It's taken a few years to recover from that.
it's really annoying at 800x600
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About 0.7 or thereabouts, all my plugins died. No more Flash (no great loss save for losing Thugs On Film), no more Real Audio (NGL except for Car Talk). No plug-ins listed in the about:plugins page. Has this been fixed?
Also, while talking about external programs: how about being able to link to external DOWNLOADERS! I prefer to use NT (the program, not the OS) to do my downloads, and I'd like to plug that into Mozilla. I'd like to see
Plugger style functionality built-in to Mozilla to allow me to point the lizard at my video and audio format players.
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I've become spoiled in netscape 4.x by using fullscreen. It's available here if you still surf oldschool. Probably my favourite NS plugin/app ever.
I started using it because I had a 14" monitor and wanted to see more page, continued using it even on a 21 incher because it was so sweet. Much better in my opinion than IE's fullscreen.
Would love to see a Mozilla version. Mail them at info@inquare.com, pressure will make them comply.
"Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality." -- Dalai Lama
Perhaps you misunderstood the intent of that comment.
I don't want to know how I can turn off whichever preferences in a particular version of netscape; I want to know when browsers like netscape will let a user create my own buttons and customize their actions.
OF COURSE I can go to my preferences, but I can't just have one button that does a frequent task. Similarly, I liked the "Font Size" button they had in IE; in Netscape, that might make up for the lack of a "Zoom" feature (Opera and Galeon did this well).
Also, that code you posted is pretty long and ugly; not only would a link have sufficed, but couldn't someone have neatened up their error handling code? I wrote a function in C just for that, and it has greatly reduced the amount of pointless 'if' statements I have had to write, and improved debugging.
...and while I'm being pedantic, why the hell did you put my user name in quotes, "pjrc"?
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I use Blackdown's JRE on Linux with the nightlies, and it works great. I've been doing this since mid December or so
I had great results using junkbuster....before Mozilla came along. Most of the functionality of junkbuster (and then some) is contained in Mozilla.
Of course the large body of IE users means that there will still be a very large need for this product.
One thing i miss in Mozilla is the ability to use regexps to describe sites to block cookies and images from. But this hasn't been too bad and I am sure it will be there eventually.
Works fine for me. What problems are you having?
JWZ wrote part of the bloated Netscape add-ons that nobody wanted (ie, mail and news). AFAIK, he didn't do any work on the core browser itself. For this reason, his comments don't really hold any more weight to me than do any other random (ex-)Mozilla developer.
As long as someone is using Mozilla, then it will never die. I have a feeling that a lot of UNIX systems have Mozilla (or, at least, Netscape) installed as the default (only?) browser. That's a very small minority of web users, of course, but it's probably enough to keep the momentum going.
Maybe Stallman himself will take over writing Mozilla, rather than see it fail. Heh. That would be somewhat amusing.
Just checked, and if I right click on an animated gif in my trusty iCab browser, there is a "Stop Animation" option there. Only on an actually animating gif, of course.
No, JWZ didn't write the bad parts of Mail & News (i.e., 4.0), and he wrote a lot of the core browser; check his page. He also RAN the Mozilla project, as well as having written xscreensaver, xdaliclock, dadadodo, and lots of other cool stuff.
:)
Lots of UNIX systems have Netscape installed; they might also have lynx, and around here possibly a few file browsers that double as web browsers, IE for Solaris or HP/UX, Amaya, and a host of other forgotten browsers.
And, AFAIK, Stallman wouldn't be terribly happy with Mozilla, because it isn't GPL'ed. The MPL ain't bad, but I'm sure he'd find something to object to in there. Now *that* would be somewhat amusing.
In short, reply to someone who knows less about the subject next time, Matt.
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> Changing the skin kills the menus (File and Edit works, everything after View doesn't)
It only kills the current window. Workaround: open another window, switch the skin from it, then close it.
> It'll get better soon, honest
It did get a *hell* better in the last months. Not really usable for general consumpsion, but it is already my default browser.
> Is the emperor wearing clothes?
About the huge amount of bugs you have, you have to admit that they are not in fundamental parts of the browser. You can browse the web with mozilla with a non proprietary software.
This is huge goodness. Let's say that the emperor have bathclothes..
And thanks for supporting this project. *Everybody* will benefit of it.
Cheers,
--fred
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Keep in mind, most of the mozilla source is C++, not C (ike most of FreeBSD. C++ takes longer to compile; it is a more complex language.
Also, there is an additional stage where interface specifications are compiled into header files. The interface specs allow cross language access to components at runtime.
"Just a browser" today means an entire interpreted, garbage collected language (javascript), HTML, XML and XSL rendering and a ton of other stuff. If you want a lightweight browser, get lynx.
Finally, while mozilla is a browser, it is also a platform for developing OS independant applications with web and web-like technologies (see mozdev.org). It has a scope as broad as a OS.
Eventually, it will compile into both the entire mozilla system *AND* a compact embeddable component, but its not quite there yet (but really close!).
I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The site had been slashdotted, complete with a link to the ftp in the story itself, and I DL'ed the Mozilla installer at over 100KB/s. That's a solid megabit, with zero hiccups.
Who's their CIO? I wanna run the iron they're running.
--Blair
it's great to see Mozilla shaping up. i've been trying out Mozilla on a regular basis since M4 (yeah, i'm a glutton for punishment), but it's only recently that i've been able to use it on my Windows machine at work as my primary browser.
at home however, i run the MacOS, and while IE 5.0 on MacOS 9 is still the best browser i've ever tried, i now run a later build of MacOS X for development purposes. IE 5.1 on MacOS X is severely lacking (a very poor carbon port), and i'd really like to make the switch to Mozilla on this platform. does anybody know what's going on with Fizzilla, the MacOS X port of Mozilla? specifically, i'd love to be able to run FizzillaMach that uses the UNIX code as a back end and a carbon port of the Mac code as the interface.
right now the latest build of Fizzilla is based on an early January nightly build, and while that's good, it still has some pretty nasty bugs that keep me from using it on OS X. it's a shame because the recent builds of Mozilla have been so good. does anybody know if there is there active development of Fizzilla? are they planning on releasing a new build, perhaps based off of 0.8? on March 24th a lot of people are going to be looking for a Mac OS X-native web browser, and IE is already going to be included in the dock by default. it's going to be important to have the Mozilla alternative available at that time. :I ..
- j
No GUI yet, just paste the fllowing line in your prefs.js file: // Image animation mode: normal, once, none.
user_pref("image.animation_mode", "once");
It works great.
An exploration of mixology, spirits and bartending.
Opera 5 also has this form of cookie control.
...phil
...phil
"For a list of the ways which technology has failed to improve our quality of life, press 3."
How about:
setenv MAIL "xterm -e mutt"
for example
The difference between Canada and the USA is that in Canada healthcare is a right and gun ownership is a privilege.
Netscape 1.0 was the first version of UNIX, and it started out on UNIX as well; he wasn't "porting" anything. Later on, he ends up architecting as well as coding. This makes him an authority on Netscape and its development, at least IMO.
:)
Also, I took a look at your homepage URL.
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Hey, guys, you know about the Internet Junkbuster, right? It's a proxy server that will filter cookies, ads, referer information, and lots of other stuff. It's incredibly useful if you desire privacy on the net, not to mention saving your eyes from those aforementioned strobe-light ads.
The IJB is available for UNIX, Microsoft Windows, and Linux. Configuration is just a little bit complicated, but no more so than any other standard UNIX daemon.
Alos, there's a truly wonderful program by the name of WebWasher that will do that same thing under Microsoft Windows. It's got a very slick interface, awesome features, and some very friendly guys working on it. If you have any Microsoft Windows clients, I would highly recommend installing WebWasher on them.
Definitely check out Squid as well. It's a caching proxy server that runs under UNIX and Linux. I've used it for years.
Well, these are my every-day problems while browsing with latest Mozilla nightlies. YMMV
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OK, I'm running the 0.8 build now. Now, where is this GUI for turning off animated GIFS?
/usr/local/mozilla, installed the new Mozilla, and I don't have this GUI.
I blew away
www.eFax.com are spammers
$10 or $20 a year from 100 000 users would be more than enough support for a staff of under 10
You misunderstand. I am saying open source is ineffective. Netscape and IE made leaps and bounds, then Netscape wigged out, opened the source, and lost any chance of broswer dominance it has had. With a few exceptions, the closed-source flavor of a given app is more advanced/more stable/more bug-free then a given 'competitor' in the open source world.
The bad news is that NS is no longer the same NS we all wished it had stayed. Instead, some other behemoth owns it and a lot of people despises them. So, what we, the hard NS followers, are supposed to do? Excuse the punn, but I feel like I have been sandwiched.
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alternatively, you can just click on the stop button in IE. This immediately stops animated gifs.
Jilles
For instance, why can't I bind a button to turn off animated gifs...
...JavaScript?
On NS 4.x and IE 5.5 there is such a button, and it's right there on the toolbar! It's the "Stop" button. Once a page has finished loading, press the stop button. This kills all the flashies dead in their tracks. I do this all the time to get away from the distractions of a xmas tree of gifs most sites have turned into.
The nice part about this is that the sites I frequent get the ad hit, which isn't an option with something like junkbuster. I rather like the notion that those sites are getting the revenue from my visit. Might mean they stay around a little longer and all that.
"...cookies..."
Konqueror is the best I've seen in this regard. Each site that asks for a cookie Konq prompts you for. I know other browsers have this option, but in Konq you can specify to allow or deny all future cookies from a specific domain. It is perhaps Konq's best feature yet.
Actually, I personally don't think we need a button to turn it off. Instead, how about simply removing that damn "window.close()" event entirely from the language? Is there any real use for this event besides throwing gobs of advertising at you as you attempt to leave a site? It's not even effective advertising, as the audience in question isn't going to be looking at the message, but instead how to deal with a browser suddenly out of control.
The other annoying aspect to JavaScript are them pop-up windows. Unfortunately, there are a number of legitimate uses for these making it difficult to say we should just get rid of them entirely. If there were some tool on a bar to deal with these that might be worthwhile. Again, I still don't think that totally disabling JS, even as a switch, is a reasonable solution when there are alternatives that haven't yet been explored.
The line must be drawn here. This far. No further.
some history:
On or about september 22 a development branch called MN6 was cut from the Mozilla trunk. This branch was a slower moving branch that resulted a couple months later in the Mozilla code which was at the heart of the Netscape 6 product.
a couple weeks after the MN6 branch was cut there was a Mozilla Milestone made from the trunk. This was M18. The next trunk Milestone was 0.7 in early January and the latest tunk release is 0.8
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thank you, thank you :)
__that really did make my day__
How so? Could you please point me to something (recent) comparing the two? I mean, those are pretty bold words. I've been using Mozilla on my Mac and Linux machines at home and my Windows box at work. It's been very stable and usable for me.
My only real problem has been that you get "Connect refused" errors a lot more than in Communicator 4.X and that it will mess with your back/forward list of sites visited when you do. So, I don't really see it as a "buggy piece of shit," but could you show me something about feature comparisons between the two?
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
Holy shit batman! With this and the filtering of ad banners (I need that bandwidth for gnapster godammit!) the net doesn't look like a salesdroid's free-enterprise capitalist bastard-driven wet dream anymore.
This is such an improvement over previous versions. Well done to everyone involved. The lizard kicks ass!
everyone talsk about this. It appears in NO menu I've found yet. Where the heck is it? I'm definitely running 0.8.
"that's not encryption - it's a new perl script that I'm working on..." - from some Matrix parody
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If we can support whole distributions and the people behind them with voluntary payments, why not our favorite news site?
Also, it looks like charitable donations will be itemizable in the future, even for people who don't itemize. So if /. became non-profit, you could deduct the 60-120$ each year from your taxes. Hey, every bit helps, no? That's about the best thing about the upcoming tax cut that I like, that and the 'marriage penalty' elimination. I'm iffy about the rest: it all sounds well and good, but we really need to pay off the national debt. The surpluses are all just projections now anyways, and a recession could really hurt us if one appears in the next decade or so.
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Come on, they have recently remodelled their own Webmail, and it sucks big time.
... :-(
I can send cyrillic mail when using IE, but can't do it with Netscape (either 4.76 and Mozilla 0.7). Writing them about the problem has changed nothing.
It looks like their web development team is ignoring their own browser
Tigers respect lions, elephants and hippos. Maggots respect no one. (C) S. Dovlatov
It's this: IE on 90% desktops = All web pages use proprietary MS stuff = we lose. No Mozilla, no KDE browser, no nothing. Everyone will have to use IE to view most of the web pages out there.
Cos Joe web-site-designer will use everything to make his web site 'look cool'. And then nobody except MS wins.
I've got nightly binary tarballs if anyone wants them. No mail or news, so it's a svelt 3MB ;-). Be gentle though, it's a DSL line.
http://groovy.danky.com/mozilla-builds
Any chance of getting support for 'mouse over' expansion of long columns into the thing.
That was my favorite thing about NS4's mail and news app.
Posted from my Android phone. Oh, I can change this? There, that's better...
Personally, I use Galeon at home on my FreeBSD machine and Mozilla at work on my Windows machine. I don't know if anybody else has noticed this, but Mozilla's interfaces feels a lot slower on FreeBSD (and Linux) than it does on Windows. In Windowsland I don't get a 1/2 second delay between clicking on a menu and having it show up (Aagh! Mac LC 8 bit mode flashbacks!) and the selection bar doesn't lag behind my pointer. I thought the code was supposed to be mostly the same?
Down that path lies madness. On the other hand, the road to hell is paved with melting snowballs.
I read the internet for the articles.
Moderate me to Hell and back but folks Mozilla sucks.It's a buggy piece of shit and we all know it.Konqueror has come light years and is already far ahead of the stumbling lizard.
A browser tied to a particular operating system and particular desktop enviroment? No thank you.
Everyone who makes generalizations should be shot.
So would you rather he adapt the content of his postings to please the advertisers?
Let him speak his mind. Give it a rest.
Recently Opera 5.0b6 and NS 6.01 and now mozilla 0.8. Someone compares all of them ?
I was all ready to move to Mozilla, but in our corporate environment we use LDAP as the default directory. None of the Lizard mailers support it for address lookup. As a company we are being driven to that ugly, proprietary platform-specific mailer from MacroFloss.
Will Moz EVER support LDAP??
Experience is what you get when you are expecting something else
"Straddling the sword of technology..."
You could do a lot worse than looking at www.exim.org. Not only does it work as a drop-in sendmail replacement, but the config files are in plain english (more or less), it's very flexible, very fast, and very robust too. Of course, what will help you is that it knows all about LDAP. (and mysql, postgresql, oracle, nis, etc)
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I think it's very dependant on your library versions somewhere along the line - mine crashes constantly, usually when closing a window.
It's a very promising project though, I'd like a stable gtk widget set browser - maybe it'll be happier if I build it from source?
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Konqueror is the best I've seen in this regard. Each site that asks for a cookie Konq prompts you for. I know other browsers have this option, but in Konq you can specify to allow or deny all future cookies from a specific domain. It is perhaps Konq's best feature yet.
Funny thing... IE 5.0 for Mac (yes, the Microsoft product) has this ability too. It can also prevent gifs from animating, plugins from loading, etc. That makes it a much better browser than IE 5.5 Win and Netscape 4.*, in my opinion.
(Please note that this is not a troll!)
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Yet another reason why I prefer Netscape 3.0 (Option--uncheck-image-autoload, Option--uncheck-enable-Java/shit) over Netscape 4.x (Edit-prefs-advanced-click/click/click-ok)
The more inconvenient you can make it for the user to toggle shit like Java, proxying, etc., the more likely they are to see the ads.
Now watch my UNIX port of Netscape 4 take 20 seconds to render a pile of tables where Netscape 3 would have done it in less than one.
When Mozilla shows they want to write a great browser, not a "look at how deep we can bury the features" (NS4) or a "k00l, itz gawt sk1nz!" memory hog (XUL)... oh hell, why bother finishing the sentence. We know they won't.
I agree. The only to delete bookmarks in Win Me was to use the "cut" option, open the clipboard and delete the contents there. It's inability to accept normal pathe for plug-ins, its freezes on right-clicking, its "must stop programme notices for the most basic of functions under Windows, the inability to manage bookmarks and to configure mail correctly are all minor "problems" which together is a BIG FREEZE. If they could get AOL out of there and stop cashing in each time they find something that works half as well as IE5.5, they may be OK. I'd also suggest getting rid of snotty Open Source Charity Hackers who when they are unable to admit a mistake, fall into a sort of literary, technosarcastic "it must be your fault in configuration" attitude.
Rien n'est plus beau que le creux du 0.
You don't need to know c++ do contribute to mozilla. Visit irc.mozilla.org #mozilla and #mozillazine for pointers to non c++ coding (javascript, XUL, CSS, etc).
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Pbbbtt!
Thanks for letting me rant. I feel much better now.
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Ceci n'est pas une pipe.
Well, my Valentine's day happiness was getting laid after a nice and quiet romantic dinner, but hey, I'm glad to hear that Mozilla does the trick for you...
I'm reading this thread using Mozilla 0.8 (2001021502) Wallstreet MacOS 8.6 vga out to a Dell monitor, and the widget works fine. Perhaps it's interacting badly with your video card &/or driver?
if they would just fix Mac IE's stabilityI want to know where the heck IE 5.5 went. It was demoed at MacHack last summer. I can only guess they postponed it until the OS X release party.
I'm personally imagining a button on the toolbat that opens up another panel, with a row of "on/off" style pushbuttons. Have one for each feature that people would want disabled at a given time, so that feature is never more than two clicks away. Make it nice, simple and candylike in it's beauty so that "end users" will grok it right away and begin playing with it. Something like the following:
[on ] javascript.
[off] javascript pop-up windows.
[off] animated gifs.
[on ] customized ad block list [details]
[off] block all ad-banner sized images.
[on ] block cookies from places we don't know.
Not true. Galeon supports cookies with Mozilla 0.7 (when using an additional static library). This additional library is no longer needed with Mozilla 0.8 and CVS versions (as will hopefully ship with GNOME 1.4).
Indeed, Galeon recently acquired a cookie manager every bit as good as the one in Mozilla. This is available in the unstable Galeon branch (CVS HEAD).
http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/modules/libp r0n/
Nice thought, but please verify anti-rumors before spreading them.
Ne Quid Nimis - All things in moderation
I'm Slashdotter... (sung to Eminem's I'm Slim Shady) sil@dont.hate.me.because.im.secksi.com
May I have your attention please
may I have your attention please
will the real slash dotter please stand up
I repeat will the real slashdotter please stand up
we're gonna have a problem here
Ya'll act like you never seen a geeky person before
jaws all on the floor
like Richard Stevens just burst in the door
and started writing some sockets books some more
the day's worse then before
throwing computer furniture (ahhhhh)
It's the return of the
"awww wait, no wait, you're kidding,
he didn't code in perl what I think he did - did he?"
and cmndrtaco said...
nothing you idiots, cmndrtaco's dead
he's locked in my basement
feminist women love slashdotter
tricka tricka tricka trolling blotters,
"I'm sick of him, lookit him coding around
using his you know what flippin' to you know who"
"yeah, but he's so brute though"
yeah, I probably got a couple of screws up in my head loose
but no worse than what's goin on in your parents bedroom (eheheheh)
sometimes, I wanna get on TV and just let loose
but cant, but it's cool for hemos to post some dead news
My packets and my scripts, my packets and my scripts
and if I'm lucky, I might ppp over Linux
and that's the message that we deliver to unix kids
and expect them not to know what a x terminal is
of course they're gonna know what x86 is
by the time they hit 4th grade
they got the Linux running on x86, dont they?
we ain't nothing but mammals
well, some of us crash terminals
running xfree with the wrong servers will
but if we can crash x terminals and servers too
then there's no reason to run xfree on that server fool
but if you feel like I feel, I got the antedote
geeks stop writing code, sing the chorus and it goes
I'm Slahshdotter, yes, I'm the real Dotter
all you other Slashdotter are just posting blotters
so won't the real Slashdotter please stand up - please stand up - please stand up
I'm Slahshdotter, yes, I'm the real Dotter
all you other Slashdotter are just posting blotters
so won't the real Slashdotter please stand up - please stand up - please stand up
micheal and hemos don't got a cuss in their posts to get up mod'ed
well I do so fuck them and fuck you too
you think I give a damn, my posting's funny
half of you critics can't even stomach me, calling me a dummy
"but dotter what if your mod'd 5 wouldn't it be weird"
why so you guys can just cry becuase you fear
so you can post some porn of some britner spears
shit Mr. Moderator better switch me chairs
so I can post next to goatse.cx thers nothing worse
and hear trollers argue over who got to post first
little bitch, mod me down to something under 3
"yeah, he's a geek, but I think he's married to Speedy, hee hee"
I should download an audio on MP3
and show the world how you code in Microsoft VB
I'm sick of you little script kiddie boy groups
all you do is annoy me so I have been sent here to destroy you
and there's a million of us just like me
who code like me, who just don't give a fuck like me
who dress like me, walk, talk and act like me
and just might be the next best thing, but not quite me
I'm Slahshdotter, yes, I'm the real Dotter
all you other Slashdotter are just posting blotters
so won't the real Slashdotter please stand up - please stand up - please stand up
I'm Slahshdotter, yes, I'm the real Dotter
all you other Slashdotter are just posting blotters
so won't the real Slashdotter please stand up - please stand up - please stand up
I'm like a head trip to listen to
cause I'm only givin you things
you joke about with your friends inside you livin' room
the only difference is I got the balls to say it
in front of ya'll and I aint gotta be false or sugar coated at all
I just get on slashdot and spit it
and whether you like to admit it (riiip)
I just shit it better than 90% of you posters out can
then you wonder how can
geeks eat up these posts' like hostess
it's funny cause at the rate I'm going when I'm thirty
I'll be the only person on slashdot posting shit thats dirty
coding code hardcore religiously posting while I'm working
and I'm working but this fscking code just isn't working
in every single geek theres a slashdotter just lurking
he could be coding rewording code up from from dot com king, spittin out some trollings
or in the parking lot, circling, screamin I dont give a fuck
with his windows down and his system up
so will slashdotter please stand up
and put 1 of those fingers on each hand up
and be proud to be using Plan9 and outta control
and 1 more time, loud as you can, how does it go?
I'm Slahshdotter, yes, I'm the real Dotter
all you other Slashdotter are just posting blotters
so won't the real Slashdotter please stand up - please stand up - please stand up
I'm Slahshdotter, yes, I'm the real Dotter
all you other Slashdotter are just posting blotters
so won't the real Slashdotter please stand up - please stand up - please stand up
"When I was a Buddhist, it drove my parents and friends crazy, but when I am buddha, nobody is upset at all"
Getting rid of window.close().... I don't think so. My company writes Web apps that behave like real GUI apps. Getting rid of window.close() would destroy such capabilities. (Note: our sites run in intranet/extranent environments only)
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I think before anyone posts to slashdot, they should read this bug report:
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http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=689
Relating to slashdot's troubles earlier to-day.
lynx and links also have this feature. the options for accepting a cookie from a particular domain are yes, no, always, and never.
With all due respect to a formerly great company, who cares what happens to Netscape? Netscape isn't Netscape anymore, they're AOL with all the trappings that accompany the title. Mozilla is a GREAT browser. Netscape/AOL takes a great browser and buries it in commercial crap. Netscape WAS a groundbreaking company who's time, like many companies in the computer industry, has come and gone.
Chris
Mine is the "disable pop-ups for specified sites" - excellent. All we need now is a frequently updated files on a FTP server with all of the porn/adverts/junk sites listed!
Actually Mozilla is now released under a dual MPL/GPL license. So RMS should be quite happy with it.
Check it out!
> to view a page with PNG's on it and IE doesn't support them
Actually, it does.
Not sure about 5.0, but 5.5 and upward does.
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Ah, but his page lists the following:
:)
Mosaic Netscape Back before you had heard of Netscape, I was responsible for the Unix versions of Netscape Navigator through release 1.1.
Netscape Mail & News Next, I designed, and Terry Weissman and I implemented, the Netscape Mail and News clients, versions 2.0 through 3.0. This was our contribution to the proof of the Law of Software Envelopment:
``Every program attempts to expand until it can read mail. Those programs which cannot so expand are replaced by ones which can.''
Basically, he ported Netscape 1.0 and 1.1 to UNIX, then wrote the Communicator mail and news clients. That's pretty cool and all, but it doesn't make him an authority on anything... at least, in my mind. He's more of the old-guard than anything else, to my way of thinking.
I didn't think I posted enough on Slashdot for anyone to take notice of me, much less my name.
You can turn on the Emacs key stuff on windows using some hidden prefs. But yes, C-home does not work to go to beginning of first line. There is a bug on that that I can't find right now because Bugzilla is doing its daily "I'll be down around 5am EST" thing.
The child window thing is linux-only as far as I know and is driving everyone insane. Top minds are working on it -- it's a strange problem with focus not being set properly. If it is not linux-only (you are seeing it on Windows) please mail me at bz@mit.edu and let me know. That would be much appreciated.
And of course, patches are always welcome.
(see minimum hardware requirements)
Well, if the debugging info bothers you that much, then you can download the 20MB source and compile it without debugging info...
:)
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...Mozilla running on my Win2K box here at work used to turn periods...into copyright symbols. As well as mangling other symbols. ()[]{}|:":>"
Karma: Bored. (Thinking about resurrecting the "Anyone else is an imposter" joke.)
In addition, it doesn't change the tax structure so the government continues collecting the taxes at the same rate and if the projections are wrong, they won't find themselves short. If the projections are right, they can issue another refund.
* Seems faster than the old 0.6 or 0.7 builds. (ie the menus seem zippier).
* Seems to load faster than previous versions.
* Still can't minimize the download window w/o minimizing the entire Mozilla app.... (what gives?)
* Still having trouble installing JRE 1.3
Overall, 0.8 seems to be faster, and generally better than any of the previous builds.
Gururise
Garden Grove Real Estate
Is it going to come back? I have some stuff for the Mac that used LiveConnect to talk between Java applets and JavaScript. It is broken in NS6 (huh, less functionality than the previous release).
Times 365 equals 91.25$ a year maybe, but it's still only 25 cents a day.
/. is easily that nifty, I'd say. It's now as much of a part of my daily routine as the morning paper, and 25c is comparable to what my family pays every morning for the funny papers. (the local paper sucks, and the only reason to buy it is for the extra comics you can read each morning)
Also, /. readers have introduced me to all sorts of cool stuff. Sluggy Freelance. Megatokyo. And I get commentaries from intelligent geeks around the world, introducing me to topics like power generation lines and all sorts of weird, wonderful things. It's easily worth the price of a subscription to magazines like Discover, Scientific American, or the Smithsonian.
In short, you're one cheap bastard if you'd only pay 10$ a yr to feed CmdrTaco and friends. Either that, or your thresholds are too low. I usually go at 3+, nested, highest first.(When I don't have moderator access) It's AMAZING how good the comments are at that level.
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There is a patch for mozilla that provides hooks for a PGP plugin in development right now. I believe Network Associates is working on it. Expect to see it fully operational in 0.9. See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22687 for more info.
I had a great time using Mozilla 0.7; it has gotten a lot better, and so much better than the original Netscape code they were using. However, I don't think that's the issue anymore.
The real issue is, what will happen to Netscape? They aren't losing the browser war now because of Mozilla. Now it's because of AOL, who makes every stable Mozilla release into a horribly patched, rushed Netscape release with extra annoying commercial features and bundling that none of us want or need.
Also, despite the benefits Mozilla has seen due to Open Source development, I doubt it will do as well without Netscape, as gutted as it is. JWZ said that the benefits gained from opening a project like that is about 30%, which means that 70% of the work has to be done by AOL/Netscape/Time Warner, and if AOL loses this war to Microsoft, we might lose a lot of developers.
Also, it sucks seeing a great team of people turn into a large impersonal entity that no one really likes. As the Open Source community is already developing other browsers, it isn't clear how much work will be put into Mozilla, and how much will be spent reinventing the wheel.
I only hope that a truly impressive, usable browser comes out of all this: one that doesn't annoy me and show me ads, but rather lets me tell it what I want it to do. Being able to set a level of HTML compliance would be nice, as well.
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IE is a great browser, but it lacks some important features. It's hard to control javascript, for example, and you can't turn off animated gifs. I don't think that's accidental. If you let people turn off the ads, the advertisers won't be happy, and as a good multi-national corporate citizen, MS probably won't want to do anything to jeopardize the platform's value to advertisers.
Of course if they did, they would be instantly crucified for their anti-competitive action of not letting other companies derive advertising revenue, noting that microsoft derives no revenue from banner ads, yadda yadda yadda.
Go run Proximitron (no link, I'm lazy, use Google. If I could use everything2 links, that'd be nice, but e2 seems to be doing worse than slashdot these days). Don't mind the hideous interface (there's an option to turn it off, then it becomes merely idiosyncratic), it's otherwise a great tool. I use it to look at the various headers when I do server work. It can do all kinds of filtering and transforms on headers and content, which includes blocking sites, cookies, etc. Has built-in filters to animate gifs only once, as well as popup-stoppers that don't turn off all javascript, etc.
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I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
Time to start downloading before Mozilla.org drowns under a Slashdotting.
Seriously, if this fixes some of the bugs I've noted in earlier versions (and if Java'll install right, right off the bat, I'll be more than happy).
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
great "mv" :)
I really like that they have started to track performance. Especially when the numbers for some stuff like Mail & News are pretty bad (but getting better) I applaud their efforts and hope to see those performance metrics improve rapidly!
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How do you disable the floating tips that appear when your mouse strays over the back button too long? Under Netscape 6 for Solaris, I've seen these floating windows remain on the desktop even when Netscape is iconified.
I found a setting for "browser.chrome.toolbar_tips - false" on developer.netscape.com, but this doesn't seem to work.
I'd use Mozilla, but I like to use Solaris x86 at work, and I don't see binaries for this platform. Yes, I know I could build it...
I've watched naive users (e.g. my parents) use a browser. When faced with an agonizing animated GIF, giant blink text, or horrible background, they move the mouse to the offending item, and try to turn it off. This is, of course, in keeping with the GUI concept: select the item, then manipulate it, perhaps with a right mouse click. This corresponds deeply with reality: if a mosquito is biting me, I focus on it and take action.
Browser interfaces are often counter-intuitive because the cure is hidden in deep menu items, e.g. edit->prefs->advanced->.... Users rarely find these things, and if they do, don't know what they do. My dad doesn't want to disable all Java apps, he just wants to stop the pain he is experiencing on the page he is currently visiting. To make a browser great, watch your new users very closely.
I bet your character coding is set wrong. Look in the View menu, under Character Coding, and make sure it is not set to something strange.
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I have never seen a buggiest software like mozilla ever !! The number of pending bugs in mozilla have grown up that mozilla cannot even load the list of bugs ...
There is a bug in loading list of bugs
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44961
I guess if they plugged the Windows version into .Net it can run VBScripts and other languages? But then it would be hard to port that code. Better stick to general, open source solutions for now.
But I would like to see it get the NT Challenge Response Domain Login support so that it can be used on Corp Intranets that use IIS and NT/W2K with login security. Then it can be a browser Intranets can use, and then eventually they can ween themselves off IIS and NT/W2K for another solution. IE is only used by our Intranets because of the NT Domain login stuff and the ActiveX support because we use ActiveX objects on our web pages (Because a PHB told us to, not because we deicided to).
My only complaint about Mozilla, is the frequent updates and me with my 56K modem and ISP that gives me 16.8K bandwidth. It makes getting updates very slow. But if my local phone company would get off their *ss and get me DSL support in my area, I'd be a happy camper.
are being packaged by Christoper Blizzard and can be found here. As of right now, the binary RPMs are not around, but the 0.8 SRPM for Redhat 7 is there now. Build it yourself if you're in a hurry -- the source is a smaller download than the binaries anyway. :)
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No it isn't. The current image library is called imglib, but it's sequel is currently called libpr0n, yes. :)
-Håkan
Jesus Fucking Christ, the source tree is 150M large. I left it building overnight, running under time(1), and when I woke up, I found out that it took 58 minutes to build. 58 minutes! That's just a hair shorter than it takes to build my base FreeBSD system from scratch! I thought Mozilla was supposted to be a browser, for Christ's sake!
So after balking at the exceptionally long build time, I ran du to find out just how large this pile of shit is... with object files, binaries, and source (remember, 150M), the tree was 1.4G. That's very close to the the size of my /usr...
Not to mention the fact that it still doesn't render pages right, it takes a while to render widgets, and it crashes.
The team ought to focus on making a lean, fast, quality browser... every time I try to build this thing, it gets bigger... and for what?
A new year calls for a new signature.
I have a script that gets the nightly build of Mozilla for me every day, so I've seen it get better and better. It's starting improve and be very usable performance wise. But...lately I've been using Opera v5.0b6 and the more I use it the more I like it. Very fast with few rendering problems. Well worth checking out!
Konqueror doesn't understand the tag
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Yup. Actually, I was the one whom fixed it. :)
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Change my name to yours, the senators names to your own, email them, and tell the rest of us what state you're from. That last part is so that the senators don't catch on to the fact that you're just cutting and pasting someone else's words, though the sentiment may be your own. Let's get them all to embrace the idea of a refund over a cut!
Oh, and here's the Senate's web page so you can look up your senators yourself. You know, /. has made me a lot more politically active, you know?
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Only Linux truly loves you. Human beings just can't grep all the processes you're going through.
emacs with vm, bbdb, w3, and mailvrypt all the way. :-)
My rationale? Yeah, the gui is nice, but I can make it work the way I want it to with a few lines of lisp. Plus, I needed a mail client that works for both windows and linux, since I dual boot. So I have vm running in both, and I create a symlink to my mail directory in windows so I use the same mailfiles and configuration files...works great! In addition, I set it up so that bbdb uses the same address file in both operating systems...
admittedly, this might be a little much for some people.... the interface to vm and bbdb takes some getting used to...
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Yowza. I need to turn this into a proposal for Andover, and then turn this into the greatest, cheapest national and global newspaper on the Web. And it might be feasible even without patenting it as a business model or closing off slashcode to public review. If I got involved with this, I could do more good for the world than going into public office as an educated, intelligent, honest individual. Hold on a sec while I review my life's plans...
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yes, thats right... I guess switching operating systems and donating a couple hundred dollars to corporate whores isn't the easier solution, after all. You could use KDE instead.
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The other annoying aspect to JavaScript are them pop-up windows. Unfortunately, there are a number of legitimate uses for these making it difficult to say we should just get rid of them entirely.
One option would be site-level permissions for whether the browser runs the JavaScript of a particular site, and further, whether pop-up windows can be created.
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
the library Mozilla uses for animated gifs is in fact called 'libpr0n'
[gjw@snoopy mozilla]$ find . -name '*pr0n*' -print[gjw@snoopy mozilla]$ find . -name '*pron*' -print
[gjw@snoopy mozilla]$ find . -name '*porn*' -print
[gjw@snoopy mozilla]$ find . -name '*p0rn*' -print
[gjw@snoopy mozilla]$
Nice thought, but please verify rumors before spreading them.
First of all, animated gifs... People started to talk about Internet advertising is dieing, CNET switched to "giga" flash advertising right at the middle of the page, Yahoo calls people to calm down... Than, "plop", a browser branded AOL/Netscape (don't hide from it, don't close your eyes) will ship and will have a option for disabling animated gifs which occupies %90 of Internet advertising... ...."...
So, lets go back to real world. While I am posting this, a "rack space managed hosting" advert flashes right at the top of the page... Well, I admit I looked to it right now, I saw it because it was animated. So, I don't think Slashdot is a animated gif hater, advanced coders like them could purge whole animated gifs in matter of seconds.
The second thing... Performance... It has REALLY long way to go. They admit it while "fanatics" even argue it is near fast as IE, talking about Windows kernel (yea, I was thinking that too, disappointed when heard Linux version is slower)...
So, performance is what kills mozilla... Plugins.. Was too hard to import windows filetype list to Mozilla? So at least we could select damn "always open that file with
well, everytime I download and run Mozilla, Netscape 6.x updates, I get more disappointed.
Is it dead?
> Netscape for my mail client for many years now...
> that it can display HTML mail), but Mozilla just
> doesn't cut it for me
I browse with Moz day, and email with Communicator 4.7 because Moz can't give me HTML free, plain text email. YMOV
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"Hit any user to continue."
Web apps that behave like real GUI apps. Getting rid of window.close() would destroy such capabilities. (Note: our sites run in intranet/extranent environments only)
Just curious here, but I'm left wondering what kinds of things you do at the triggering of a window.close() event? It seems to me to be pretty rare for even GUI apps to need this unless they're doing some kind of memory clean up. Browser based apps generally don't need this kind of thing, so I'm just left here curious as to the need still yet.
The line must be drawn here. This far. No further.
I'm totally psyched about the prospect of killing the animated gifs. They're a serious hassle whenever I'm SSHed(Or whatever the hell I'm supposed to call it now... I use OpenSSH) into some box running mozilla remotely. They're a pointless waste of bandwidth for remote X login and not pretty enough to be useful in any cases I can think of other than, just possibly, porn. But even in the latter case, their sole purpose is to provide that sleazy sense of tactless production one comes to expect from all forms of adult entertainment.
Good riddance and good night.
Since Galeon is entirely dependent on Mozilla for its browsing engine, and Mozilla was largely created by Netscape, I'm afraid you're not Netscape-free at all.
Am I the only person who things SSL is the most screwed up thing about this program?
No, you're not. Take a look at bug #60912 and bug #31174, for starters.
setenv MAIL "xterm -e mutt"
Nice thought, but $MAIL is already used to point to your mailbox -- /var/spool/mail/username or /home/username/Maildir/ or what have you.
How about using $MUA for text MUAs like mutt, or... hmm... maybe $X11_MUA for X11-based MUAs like "xterm -e mutt"?
perl -pi.bak -0777 -e 's/NETSCAPE2.0/NO_ANIM_GIF/; s/ANIMEXTS1.0/NO_ANIM_GIF/;' \
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A backup file will be created with .bak appended.
I'm about ready to post a message akin to JWZ's high profile departure from Mozilla, but from a users perspective. I snatched Mozilla before it was posted on slashdot, put it on Linux (Mandrake 7.2 and a Celeron 466) and Windows (98SE with a PIII/500).
It's still got so many bugs. The text entry widget is broken. It kills Windows dead (real hard, I know). Changing the skin kills the menus (File and Edit works, everything after View doesn't). It crashed getting my POP email. On and on and on.
Did I get a bad build (build ID 2001021503)? Is my machine misconfigured? What the hell is going on?
I don't want to make this sound like a troll or flamebait. Its really not, in my mind. Its the plaintive wail of someone who has spent the past year or so trying to tell his co-workers, friends, and random people on the street to support this project, "It'll get better soon, honest". It is better now, to be sure. It hasn't crashed in the last 8 minutes or so its been running on this machine. Joy. It hasn't finished rendering the submit page, and for that matter it never seems to finish (looking at the stdout in the xterm above for the past few pages I've loaded).
Will 1.0 actually work? Is the emperor wearing clothes?
ZOMG I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS ON MACINTOSH VERSUS WINDOWS, VI VERSUS EMACS, AND HOW YOU'RE NOT A DORK
"In the meantime, if you want to test drive the brand new Mozilla 0.8 builds now, we recommend that you install Mozilla 0.8 in its own directory, that you do not get rid of your current browser(s), and that you do not set Mozilla 0.8 as your default browser -- yet."
">Mozilla is my daily-use,pH-balanced web browser of late
Of course, the people at Mozilla were just saying don't set the version 0.8 as the default browser - perhaps they're simply recommending waiting a few builds for more bug fixes.
On another note, I was encouraged by this:
"Mozilla development work now is focused on bug squashing, improved stability, and better performance."
Nice to see that performance is being worked on - that is my main critism of most browsers for Linux (Konqueror is fast, but it wouldn't properly display a few pages for me in KDE 2.0.1, so I'll wait a few versions). For me, I'm still stuck with Netscrape 4.7 on both my Win comp and my Linux comp, because I want the same browser for both, yet reasonably full featured and psuedo-reliable (Netscape crashes maybe once every two weeks of hard use, not too bad for me).
Anyway, it's promising to see Mozilla and Konqueror coming along nicely. Good work.
"The universe seems neither benign nor hostile, merely indifferent." --Carl Sagan
This always happens. I think the site admins hate me. Why was the story rejected when _I_ submitted it two weeks ago?
J.
And no, you don't have to pay 90$ a year for /. .(how do you punctuate around /.'s name? :) My point was that there would be enough Karma whores and bored introverted geeks like me to support /. totally through voluntary donations.
The amount is debatable; in fact, I just came up with a goofball idea for a slashcode derived page with enough different topics and articles to draw in a huge mainstream crowd. If all articles were user-selected, it would be like a custom-designed national personalized newspaper. Sick of hearing about California's power problems? Disable the topic.
And if you drew in those huge mainstream crowds, you might be able to sell this service (accounts, moderator privilages, etc.) for less than 12$ a year. So the amount is unimportant- the real idea is that /. provides enough service to their customers that they will never have to sell out to make money. I mean, I haven't heard much criticism of Andover or VA Linux, but they haven't become incredibly effusive with their praise, either.
Oh, and you're absolutely right. Sluggy does rock. But I first heard about them through someone's sig here, so I owe /. (or its readers) something. Yeah, if I was as cool as you, (sub 30K id! woohoo! I had a sub 80K id, but lost my password and email account...:( ) I would of heard about them earlier through someone else, but I'm not ;)
And finally, what websites do you think are better? If someone has a better comment rating system, I'd love to hear of it.
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5000 lines is pretty good...
:P
Probably it could be done in less. Depends on how minimal you want to be. Most people would want it to have all the fancy do-dads like being able to download stuff.
Also the other poster is right when he says that gtk-mozembed doesn't have cookie support.
Now how do we get those in power to consider it?
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> I want to know when browsers like netscape will
... "View | Text Size".
> let a user create my own buttons and customize
> their actions.
If you don't mind hacking XML/Javascript it's dead easy to do this in Mozilla right now, without having to recompile anything. Take a peek inside the JAR files you downloaded. (They're just ZIP files by another name.)
> Similarly, I liked the "Font Size" button they
> had in IE
There's a menu item
Then why is practically every Slashdot page equipped with one?
Sorta funny to slam one of Slashdot's only revenue streams...
That should be an integral part of the new outliner widget.
... and needless to say, so does Mozilla.
"just connect this to..."
BZZT.
Liberty.
Well, formally it's a control-click, but if you have a 2 button mouse, the right button is customarily mapped to control-click. In practice it works just like a PC mouse.
The Microsoft optical 2 button + wheel mose is the only good M$ product I've ever encounterd. If they only made it in mac colors...
Get IE 5.5 on Windows 2000, it's the best!
Of course, the people at Mozilla were just saying don't set the version 0.8 as the default browser - perhaps they're simply recommending waiting a few builds for more bug fixes.
um. no the people at Mozilla did not say that. a guy from the webpages mozillaquest.com said that.
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I have to ask what people who use Netscape for mail have been doing now that Mozilla is shaping up. I've used Netscape for my mail client for many years now (only for the facts that it is firstly a decent GUI client, as far as Unix clients go, and that it can display HTML mail), but Mozilla just doesn't cut it for me.
The widgets for lists and trees are terrible in Mozilla (at least on Unix), and it really makes me wish that the Moz folks had decided to stay with Gtk+ for the toolkit, rather than rolling their own for the sake of portability.. I'm not sure they knew what they were getting into with a new toolkit, especially since they'll probably have to deal with the same things that the Pango folks are..
Anyway, back to my initial query -- what are people using instead? There have been a number of clients based on toolkits like Tk (blech) and even straight Athena widgets (triple blech). The nicer-looking clients (IMHO) seem to be all glam and no substance.. What's up with that?
If someone can find me a 3-pane Gtk+ or Gnome GUI client that is stable and that can handle PGP/GPG, I'd be forever grateful.
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Yum!
Didja ever think that people want to do less work than more? I couldn't give a fuck less if you visit my site if you want to browse the web in some beatup piece of shit browser, you're not the guy I'm looking for. Why should I work extra hard (&& code in an OUTMODED javascript object model that doesn't make sense like M$'s does!) to get you onto my site?? Why?
:) (oh, I guess the *knowledge* of a website that will work with every crap browser that's out there is too good for me mister daily XML hacker? Well, I can read too buddy, how about that!)
The guy I want on my site is the one who wants to get work done and communicate with the rest of the world with a minimal amount of fuss, not the freakboy 'XML hacker' (ooh, there it is again, it's sooo sexy!) who uses linux to get his nads off and who has a personal agenda to try to convince the rest of the world that his way is better! Fuck you, I won't it.
I already know that IE and Windows is better, and you can't say a god damned thing to convince me or the rest of the world that are using it and developing exclusively for it otherwise. Go ahead, try it
If you want to do business with *my* company, you'd better have a computer with fucking IE 5+, Adobe Acrobat, and Flash on it, or you're not doing bussiness with us, period. If you're business is institutionalized on Linux (which there is none of anyway), then you're shit out of luck asshole.
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It should be noted that the way opera stays "free" is by putting banner ads in the browser itself, much like Eudora started doing and several other newer online only applications. There is the option to purchase an ad-free version I believe.
What I'm wondering though, is, does anyone think this will work? We tried it on the web and everyone realised that you don't get out of the red with banner ads, but is it going to make a difference when they are embedded in the app with the option to purchase ad-free software? I like opera, I think it's fast and I especially like the idea of using MDI instead of new top-level windows for every page, but I don't think the ad thing is going to make any significant difference in revenue for them.
Thoughts?
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Of all those, the only one I'm somewhat good at is CSS. I'm still learning XUL, and I need a book on JavaScript (next paycheck means visit to ORA's store...)
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My homepage
If you would like to see the real roadmap go to http://mozilla.org/roadmap.html
The roadmap you pointed to was a table on a webpage called mozillaquest.com.
--Asa
when used in conjunction with sleezeball - squid does a redirect and sleezeball filters anything you like to an invisible gif somewhere. squid itself does the caching and web access for the entire network.
very neat set up.
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A new release to play with well I hope it better than the last one.
Maybe I'm more of an optimist about human nature than you are. Maybe I'm naive for believing that voluntary payments can support a lot of people who 'only' provide a service. Maybe I am a fool for these beliefs.
But I'm a happy fool :P
Prepare for the worst, hope and pray for the best, and expect something between the two. Is that an unreasonable approach to life?
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Am I the only person who things SSL is the most screwed up thing about this program? I love Mozilla (actually, the concept behind Mozilla) but if you can't shop, it's pretty pointless.
I haven't even tried mail yet. Still sticking with 4.x for that.
And you're right, there probably are enough interesting moderated message boards out there that you feel you can get the same thing for free, but I am disappointed by your attitude: "If I can get it for free, I'm not paying for it."
Well, that may fall within the bounds of ethical behavior, but it doesn't fall within the bounds of principled behavior. It is a slightly calloused, self-centered behavior: "If someone does me a favor, I'm not obligated to repay or even thank them, monetarily or otherwise." Not enough people learn the art of living morally these days. We need to start teaching some form of ethics in school soon. Church and State need to be seperated, but State and Ethics need to be integrated.
OTOH, you may be a poor college student, and your attitude may change when you have an abundance of disposable income. If that's the case, I apologize and hope that your attitude does, in fact, improve as you have more money.
Please learn the Art of being a highly moral human being. It's tough, but rewarding...
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I was happily chugging along on the daily builds until sometime around the first of the month. Apparently, they decided to stop asking what color preferences you want and instead use the colors associated with your gtk theme as the default colors for text/background for the displayed pages. Sites like appwatch are unreadable because they chose to use the secondary foreground color so I'm still using a build from about a month ago. The bug's been in bugzilla since Feb 2nd along with a patch and they still haven't bothered to check it in. I thought they were supposed to be in the process of fixing the bugs right now rather than adding "features". The other thing that sucks is I had to fire up Netscape 4.7 to post this because the text entry seems to break at every line so when you insert long URLs, it chops them up so they don't work. I'm still trying to find that one in bugzilla...
Don't leave your mind so open that your brain falls out. Don't close it so much that you cut off the blood.
Check out this bug report and series of discussions. What kind of development process is this? I've never seen something so chaotic with a product as complex as Mozilla. People are making minor changes breaking entire other parts of the program. Fundamental errors are going unseen for ages. Do they really expect to get a working browser out of this insane process?
I don't think they can support it with ads. I may buy the ad free version soon, and I hope others would too. I hate to pay $39 for my web browser but there aren't many other GOOD options right now. I figure it is at least a solution until Mozilla gets really good.
My main complaint about mozilla right now is speed. It's much better than it was, but going back to IE and Opera for somethings shows how slow it still is.
Come on, if that's your only problem with IE, than in my opinion you're being a little too picky. That's not even a fault of IE it's IE trying to make up for something the developers do. Actually, it's not even trying to make up for what developers do as much as be flexible enough *now* for any changes that might be made to standards and the way that people might code.
There are some fine lines in my comments that I think you're missing. I did not mention anything about anyone doing me any favors, the subject at hand was the service that Slashdot provides and whether it would be feasible for them to start requiring people to pay for it. I click on Slashdot's banners, I think that's enough in return to the creators for providing the so-called 'blackboard' that the *users* (the people who provide the really interesting stuff) can write on.
Please don't tell me that you're so moral and principled that if some guy was selling pineapples for a buck and a guy acrossed the street was giving them away, you wouldn't walk acrossed the street to get a free one. I click on their banners all the time and I feel that's enough for regurgitated stories and *other* peoples comments on them.
My point was that basic human nature dictates that generally if people can get it for free, they are not going to want to pay for it. My example for that point was Napster. Similar to Napster, Slashdot's *real* value is in what the users provide, not the creators. It's not exactly the same, but the analogy fits.
I personally do agree with you about favors though. If somebody does me a favor, I automatically want to do them a favor back (and I do). The real problem with this world i think is that people are always trying to tell you how they want you to live your life. So please think about it before you start calling people self-centered and calloused. Nobody said anything about favors, I'm not about to try to prove to somebody else who has no right to judge me in the first place that I'm a moral, principled human being. I know I may have come off sounding a little calloused at first, but that's because I started off by pointing out the reality of the idea that people should/could/woud pay for Slashdot, not my moral standpoint.
BTW, Do you click on the banners? Because that's something you can do *now* to help Slashdot. That's something that's based on reality.
I am sorry that I called you self-centered and calloused, but I got the wrong impression of you from your post. It's really hard sometimes to get a proper picture of someone in your mind from just a few lines on a web message board...
Sorry to return to the subject of 'paying for/helping slashdot', but I have one last question. Namely, do you think people might pay a nominal fee (say, 5$ a yr.) to get a version of /. with extra little bells and whistles, like no ad banners and a little box to track replies to messages? That last little feature I might be willing to pay for, or even go as far as learn enough perl to help add that to slashcode myself... oh well, it's good enough as is and the price is already alright...:)
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I too think reducing the national debt does take priority, but the mood on the hill is for some tax relief/reduction. I'm just trying to make sure the government doesn't give away all of our surpluses in their enthusiasm, that's all. Feel free to add comments about the national debt to my letter, if you even use it in talking to your Senators. (instead of drafting your own from scratch, that is)
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Drawbacks? It places a monetary burden, however small, on those people who really add the value to /., the brave moderators. Those that brave the gut-wrenching levels of -1, clicking on goatse.cx links to check for moderation abuse. They that wade through the piles of first posts and penis birds, looking for those gems like the classics penned by our own /. bard, Trollmastah, may his name live on in the land of the (5, funny). Or maybe I'm romanticizing the moderators. Some days it feels like they're reading at 2+, highest first, and ignoring the reformed bitchslapped and others posting at 1 or 0 or lower. I dunno.
Finally, if we go with your plan, there oughta be a limit to how much karma you can buy, or else some rich, bored trolls will be posting at 2 and using metamod to punish moderators who give em negative moderations. On the other hand, it would make negative moderation more fun: "You lose 15$ for trolling, suckah!"
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It's really hard sometimes to get a proper picture of someone in your mind from just a few lines on a web message board
I get kicked out of irc channels a lot because people can't tell when I'm 'acting out' or serious about the attitude that I'm portraying :) I don't completely share that 'I'm not paying for it if it's free' attitude, but I think a lot of people do. I do like a good deal though, and like Napster (once again!) Slashdot is (IMHO) the best of it's kind out there, so I support them as much as possible.
I have always wondered why Slashdot doesn't incorporate a feature that notifies you via email when someone replies to a posting of yours. This is almost a standard message board feature. As far as paying for these types of features, my personal opinion is that Slashdot would get spotty returns on it, but I couldn't say for sure without some hard-core research into the subject :)
Well, I'll see ya on the boards!
Yes. Galeon has been my primary browser for a couple of months, and I find that it rarely crashes (especially since the 0.9pre? series).
First posting isn't trolling. It's...first posting.
As a web developer (i download builds weekly and use them heavily), 0.8 is still having tons of problems - Can't control language charset within an individual frame; - hitting reload will cause all POST variables lost; - view source / change language charset cause a reload; which also cause loss of POST variables; - can't even open the DOM viewer; - visiting zdnet cause all browser window freezes; - stability becomes worse than 0.7... just tried to read documentation inside php.net, crash twice there this morning. frankly speaking, increasing disappointing, even I still bother to sent in bug reports..
That said, you are not the only one who wants this functionality. See http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11459.
The discussion on that bug includes a way to fix it using Protozoilla. This fix is currently being considered for inclusion in the main source tree.
That said, a full install without java (but with irc client, mailnews, etc) is about 30 megs...
I've been waiting since Monday, because that's when the roadmap said that 0.8 would be out. Does this mean I should adjust all the days to two days later?
And it seems that we aren't going to make 1.0 anytime soon. With all the bugs, features, etc. that are supposed to be in 1.0, we'll be lucky to see it before mid to late Q4. =(
Still, that's no reason to give up. If I could code reasonably good C++ I'd be helping, but since I can't, I'll be keeping up the advocacy. So could anyone suggest any good cheap books that could help me do C++ well enough to help with Mozilla development?
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They're problem is that they're trying to sell people something they already get for free. Even if I were going to buy a browser, I wouldn't pay $39 for it.
Having said that I have to say that Opera is the best browser I've ever used. If they keep the free version around, then lots of people are going to switch.
But Yogi, the RIAA won't like that.
It acts as a proxy on localhost can can modify headers (my useragent is MinitaureGiantSpaceHamsterBrowser, or I could tell it to say that my mozilla is IE5) and you can program your own filters to match/modify any html/javascript.
It's extremely useful with Mozilla (or any other browser) because I can eliminate specific ad-frames, web-branding, popups, halt animated GIFS and other nastiness on the page before it loads.
O'Toole's Commentary on Murphy's Law:
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why on earth does mozilla not let me link my <a href="mailto:blah"> to another app? this just seems absolutely stupid!
cause honestly, who would want to use mozilla mail when you could use something like pronto.
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im refering to the linux version, havent tried any other os's in a few years
"Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk ?"
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Well, I've been using Mozilla as my main browser for quite some time. Ok, ok... Just for the past month! And I like it.
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I just hope this version won't have the memory leaks of the past version. 0.7 managed to crash my box about 4 times. I mean _really_ crash it. 4.something CPU usage, 247Mb of RAM and 127Mb of swap used (that is all the memory in my box). The only remedy was a hard reset (none of the usual Ctrl+Alt+... keystrokes, kill -9, nothing else would work).
Well, there's always hope.
If they could put an option to disable those !"/$£@23$ javascript popup windows without disabling javascript. I mean come on just try this site then wait 5 seconds and count how many windows you have to close! Nuts! ;-)
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I think it's really important to keep other options alive.
IE is a great browser, but it lacks some important features. It's hard to control javascript, for example, and you can't turn off animated gifs. I don't think that's accidental. If you let people turn off the ads, the advertisers won't be happy, and as a good multi-national corporate citizen, MS probably won't want to do anything to jeopardize the platform's value to advertisers.
There's no way (at least no easy way) to convert a real video file into something you can edit or recompress. Why? It's a feature that content providers want. To me it's a bug. I can understand Real doing that, and having a proprietary data format comes in handy.
More and more I think we're going to see these large companies deliberately crippling our tools for the benefit of content providers. But that only works with proprietary data formats and protocols. The web is still open.
The big story in advertising is pop-up windows. If Mozilla bills itself as the browser that helps you defeat that annoying ads, a lot of people will respond to it. And a lot of people will put up with annoying little errors as they get worked out, because the pop-up windows are incredibly annoying. MS isn't going to do that. They'll never side with their users over the content providers. That leaves a niche.
As for me, the ability to turn off animated gifs will be enough to make me switch. Those things really bug me.
All of these ads are going to get worse and worse. Mozilla should bill itself as the answer. It is the answer. And we need it.
While you have a good point, not everything about UI design is 'pain'. There are times when you want to do the inverse and turn javascript back on, go to another page, etc. Your idea is only good in your narrow explanation of the problem. The internet is much more complex than a mosquito.
Actually, mozilla does not depend on gtk... there are fairly functional qt and pure xlib versions. In addition to which, does Konqueror run on useful things like OS2?
you can't turn off animated gifs. I don't think that's accidental
Actually you can, I mostly don't bother - because I use my own modified version of Junkbuster - which filters out JavaScript popups too.
Still here's how you do it:
Steve
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Not exactly what you asked for but pressing escape stops animations in most browsers. I find it handy to reduce the annoyance of animated banners.
no sig.
Thank you for the correction (although tone down the aggression next time please ;), it seems indeed that I had got some misinformation. I'll give it a try, maybe even this weekend. I guess it can't hurt, anyway.
Everyone who makes generalizations should be shot.
I think browsers should be more customizable with what they allow the users to do.
For instance, why can't I bind a button to turn off animated gifs, cookies, and JavaScript? Microsoft considered making a similar button in IE, but stopped when people started calling it "The Porn Button". But if that's what users want, they should be able to do it.
The web is becoming overrun with proprietary data formats and protocols, but at least the open ones do get more popular. Notice the popularity of mp3's, Shockwave Flash, DivX-encoded movies, and mpegs. That's because there are at least players out there for everyone, and the tools aren't too hard to find.
Pop-up windows and banners don't necessarily work; web advertising needs a different model that doesn't involve annoying the consumer. Maybe product placement would work somewhat better, or text ads like Google, or little "sponsored by" buttons.
Personally, I use junkbuster to get rid of ads; it's also cross-platform, and cross-browser compatible, and works rather well.
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Well, then it's time to switch to Moz. Quoting the 0.8 release notes:
There are several new hidden prefs (UI will be added eventually) to turn off various annoying features on web pages:
user_pref("capability.policy.popupsites.sites", "http://www.annoyingsite1.com http://www.popupsite2.com");e rnal.open","noAccess");
user_pref("capability.policy.popupsites.windowint
user_pref("capability.policy.default.windowintern
user_pref("browser.target_new_blocked", true);
Cheers,
-j.
blech, anitmated gifs behaving isnt a story.
But stoping the popup bombs, let me be the first to say Thank you Jesus You can now stop popups, the one and only hack that I wanted to see come from open source mozilla and its finally in the tree. Kick Ass, read about it at Here