That's not as simple as whether bundling a software is illegal.
Microsoft was extending their monopolization power by setting the price when the vendors wanted to have choice. Say if a vendors chose to bundle non-MS office, then the OEM price of Windows OS would be risen to an extent that using non-MS office was totally unjustified. That could kill the all the competitors making office-suits.
I don't recall the exact legal term, but taking actions to extend your monopolization across other market, e.g. price-setting, is illegal. It's good that the court has recognized OS, browsers and office-suit are of different markets at the very first place, otherwise the lawsuits would be rejected.
There's always cases where most popular hardware aren't the best you can find, e.g. Gameboy, PS1, etc..
I just find the article I quote in sig interesting. I don't think Linux would be obsoleted any time soon. Prof. Tanenbaum just ate the sour grape when his work was being forked without his consent, but his points are still valid today.:)
It doesn't matter. They will find out there are better distro out there and they'd choose wisely on their needs, and they'll soon find that they can keep using the software they are using on Lindows.
Distro doesn't matter, as long as it's Linux. I just quote Alan Cox.
as long as Windows cost essentially the same as Linux (the price of a blank CD-R)
You are being sarcasm, but in fact it's possible. In mass production, the cost of producing a CD with software is much less than a blank CD-R. MS could really do that if they want to. However, that'd be contrary to their strategy "take the most out of each market".:)
It's free to download, but one must pay the royalty to distribute it with your software, can you see the difference? I think I've given an example on mobile jvm above.
I'm hardly a pro-Microsoft, and I'm in fact a hardcore Java developer, but in my opinion the ruling would get out of control if it fell into the wrong hand.
Sun's JVM/JDK is not free. Individual can download it freely but you need to pay for the royalty if you want to distrub it with your product. E.g. mobile vendor must pay SUN royalty for each unit sold which has jvm included, because it's almost impossible for their users to download one by themselves.
If the ruling forced Microsoft to include SUN's Java in XP, Sun could charge whatever amount of royalty fee for each XP sold.
More worse, SUN has exclusive right on the use of the word Java in the software products. If the ruling requires Microsoft to include 'Java' not 'Java-compatible', then Microsoft has to pay extra for the license to use the name 'Java' in their software.
What if SUN decided to charge in total $100,000,000.00 for each XP sold? I would if I had the chance, heh.:)
Unless, of course, the ruling including the maximum amount of royalty that SUN could charge.
(In case that pissed pro-SUN, pro-java - Microsoft sux, XP sux, Java rox. Okay?:)
My nephew really did put 'expected salary: $0' in his resume. He was serious, in view of the high unemployment rate here and he doesn't want to stay home for nothing.
The interviewer really asked him: "Would you consider getting more for this job?" - you dream to hear that in the interview do you? XD
Re:640KB should be enough for anyone
on
AMD's 64-bit Plot
·
· Score: 2
At first they will be expensive, then they will be in the $599 desktops. Why wouldn't you use them?
I don't know. When I asked my gf why didn't she buy AMD for less money, she said she could pay more for extra stability. Then I said AMD run her XP with a glitch, then she said she wouldn't buy from those sub-brand like AMD. Then I asked why didn't she buy IBM desktop, which is traditionally the origianl brand of PC, then she said it's more expensive...
Uhm, no. I know a whole bunch of network security and abuse staff. The response to any complaint with ZoneAlarm, BlackIce etc logfiles in it is to close the ticket, usually with an annotation like 'GWF' (Goober with Firewall). 99% of those reports are frivolous, about normal network traffic.
Some ill-knowledged network admins do produce a lot of such 'frivolous' reports.
I'm not by job a network admin or specialist, but I do a lot of networking stuffs. One day I've got a mail CC to me saying that one of our network was under attack. The alleged 'hacker' was able to go thru their firewall and started scanning the rest of the boxes within.
Though not directly for my action, I took this case seriously, but 7 sec later I found out it's just a false alarm: the 'hacker' address in question is in fact a 169.254.x.x address, the ports the 'hacker' was scanning is 137/139.
169.254.x.x is the 'link local' block, and it could never get pass the firewall from outside(no matter how lame it is) from outside. Also, even a layman know 137/139 are the netbios scanning for windows file sharing. Deeper in the log I found this 'hacker' attempted to access a DNS which is owned by ASL. Then I immediately know that this must be a absent-minded ASL technican who came to perform technical support, carrying a laptop with 169.254.x.x address, and it attempted to re-established windows shared and internet connection when he powered up the laptop.
I told my boss about my foundings, but I'm sure he'd ignore it. The report has already went thru 7 layers of management(forwarded 7 times, some of them are network admin and specialists) and each layer vowed to take serious action. The topest layer already held meeting for further action dealing with this 'most serious security hazard ever'.
It's not really in my position to tell them they are bunch of morons.
Klez and ILOVEYOU all have fixes. A lazy person who doesn't update and patch will have an unsecure system regardless of if it runs Windows, Linux, BSD, Mac OS X, or ANYTHING.
I'm not going to get into pro-some-OS flame war but I'd like to add one thing that you might have missed in the argument.
The OS that was infected with Klez and ILOVEYOU is a production system.
While the kernel which has fs corruption bug is supposed to be used by non-production, testing environment, and for those you like to use bleeding edge release.
Why isn't there a "Cringely" icon for slashdot? It seems that every time he publishes something, it ends up here!
I've been bothering with this for quite some time, and came up with the following 6 reasons to explain this phenomenon:
1) He got a cool name.
2) He writes in tone matches his name - paranoiac, suspicious, and - cringely
3) His look matches his name - that cringely look - the look that can be find in Stephen King
4)/. editors like Stephen King
5)/. editors love any reference to the words 'Startrek', 'cringely' and 'Stephen King'.
6) There's no 6th reason. Move along.
(I'm aware that there's no such word 'cringely', but you got the idea....or not?)
Thank you for giving link to this article and it gives insight to what seems to be an obvious case.
Given that I'm not from US thus my opinion has not been affected much by US' media, I'm still not convinced that, after reading the article, the lady should be awarded that much for her own mistake. Yes, she suffered 3rd burnt and is crippled, but it's all due to her mishandling of a cup of coffee. In retrospective, she shouldn't have put a cup of hot coffee in between her lap.
Though not in sound tone of questioning, aiken does have a point when he pointed out that whether the hardware store should be responsible when someone becomes crippled as a result of mishandling of a hammer. The Shampooo example is far-reach, given the nature of dangerous compounds adding to a product is in itself problematic thus is irrelevent to her case.
like some others in the Australian government, has learned a little about his portfolio during his 7 years at the helm. He responds openly about his censorhip regime, lack of action against spam and his antipathy towards Electronic Frontiers Australia but refuses to get into details on cyberterrorism response and security expenditure.
Out of curiosity, where did you aussies pick up those people to run your Government? Law firms? Car insurance companies?
Slashdot Mirror
That's not as simple as whether bundling a software is illegal.
Microsoft was extending their monopolization power by setting the price when the vendors wanted to have choice. Say if a vendors chose to bundle non-MS office, then the OEM price of Windows OS would be risen to an extent that using non-MS office was totally unjustified. That could kill the all the competitors making office-suits.
I don't recall the exact legal term, but taking actions to extend your monopolization across other market, e.g. price-setting, is illegal. It's good that the court has recognized OS, browsers and office-suit are of different markets at the very first place, otherwise the lawsuits would be rejected.
There's always cases where most popular hardware aren't the best you can find, e.g. Gameboy, PS1, etc..
:)
I just find the article I quote in sig interesting. I don't think Linux would be obsoleted any time soon. Prof. Tanenbaum just ate the sour grape when his work was being forked without his consent, but his points are still valid today.
our kids are safe now, dear Bush?
I'm awaiting next legistration to mandate that those kids are not allowed to access anything other than kids.us.
Thanks a lot, God Bless America.
It doesn't matter. They will find out there are better distro out there and they'd choose wisely on their needs, and they'll soon find that they can keep using the software they are using on Lindows.
Distro doesn't matter, as long as it's Linux. I just quote Alan Cox.
as long as Windows cost essentially the same as Linux (the price of a blank CD-R)
:)
You are being sarcasm, but in fact it's possible. In mass production, the cost of producing a CD with software is much less than a blank CD-R. MS could really do that if they want to. However, that'd be contrary to their strategy "take the most out of each market".
Yeah, according to this, goatse.cx is not blocked, but goatse.tk(whatever is it I wouldn't go check it :) is blocked.
Sun is switching to GNOME is because it is better
:)
that why I duck. Some people don't seem to get it heh.
...but to those who benefit from no Tivo coverage, this guy's work rox.
:)
Of course, neither should Tivo worry losing a penny out of us.
It's free to download, but one must pay the royalty to distribute it with your software, can you see the difference? I think I've given an example on mobile jvm above.
That's one of the revenue source of SUN.
I'm hardly a pro-Microsoft, and I'm in fact a hardcore Java developer, but in my opinion the ruling would get out of control if it fell into the wrong hand.
:)
:)
Sun's JVM/JDK is not free. Individual can download it freely but you need to pay for the royalty if you want to distrub it with your product. E.g. mobile vendor must pay SUN royalty for each unit sold which has jvm included, because it's almost impossible for their users to download one by themselves.
If the ruling forced Microsoft to include SUN's Java in XP, Sun could charge whatever amount of royalty fee for each XP sold.
More worse, SUN has exclusive right on the use of the word Java in the software products. If the ruling requires Microsoft to include 'Java' not 'Java-compatible', then Microsoft has to pay extra for the license to use the name 'Java' in their software.
What if SUN decided to charge in total $100,000,000.00 for each XP sold? I would if I had the chance, heh.
Unless, of course, the ruling including the maximum amount of royalty that SUN could charge.
(In case that pissed pro-SUN, pro-java - Microsoft sux, XP sux, Java rox. Okay?
with CDE theme? :)
*duck*
how badly DRM driven by capitalist proprietory concerns conflicts so inimically with culture, history and knowledge.
You see capitalism is getting out of hand, communism is our savior!
Communism got of hand already?...oh nevermind then.
MCSE Certified
:)
At least you are honest in the last line. This is more or less telling them "the line and above cannot be trust".
I saw a sample resume like that in some funny resume site.
:)
That dude was hired, he applied for Mcdonald. They want some people with lively spirit as such.
My nephew really did put 'expected salary: $0' in his resume. He was serious, in view of the high unemployment rate here and he doesn't want to stay home for nothing.
The interviewer really asked him: "Would you consider getting more for this job?" - you dream to hear that in the interview do you? XD
At first they will be expensive, then they will be in the $599 desktops. Why wouldn't you use them?
I don't know. When I asked my gf why didn't she buy AMD for less money, she said she could pay more for extra stability. Then I said AMD run her XP with a glitch, then she said she wouldn't buy from those sub-brand like AMD. Then I asked why didn't she buy IBM desktop, which is traditionally the origianl brand of PC, then she said it's more expensive...
Things go downhill from here...
Uhm, no. I know a whole bunch of network security and abuse staff. The response to any complaint with ZoneAlarm, BlackIce etc logfiles in it is to close the ticket, usually with an annotation like 'GWF' (Goober with Firewall). 99% of those reports are frivolous, about normal network traffic.
Some ill-knowledged network admins do produce a lot of such 'frivolous' reports.
I'm not by job a network admin or specialist, but I do a lot of networking stuffs. One day I've got a mail CC to me saying that one of our network was under attack. The alleged 'hacker' was able to go thru their firewall and started scanning the rest of the boxes within.
Though not directly for my action, I took this case seriously, but 7 sec later I found out it's just a false alarm: the 'hacker' address in question is in fact a 169.254.x.x address, the ports the 'hacker' was scanning is 137/139.
169.254.x.x is the 'link local' block, and it could never get pass the firewall from outside(no matter how lame it is) from outside. Also, even a layman know 137/139 are the netbios scanning for windows file sharing. Deeper in the log I found this 'hacker' attempted to access a DNS which is owned by ASL. Then I immediately know that this must be a absent-minded ASL technican who came to perform technical support, carrying a laptop with 169.254.x.x address, and it attempted to re-established windows shared and internet connection when he powered up the laptop.
I told my boss about my foundings, but I'm sure he'd ignore it. The report has already went thru 7 layers of management(forwarded 7 times, some of them are network admin and specialists) and each layer vowed to take serious action. The topest layer already held meeting for further action dealing with this 'most serious security hazard ever'.
It's not really in my position to tell them they are bunch of morons.
It's just like shutting one off of Matrix, and find out what a naked slimy creature oneself is.
"What happen, Johnny"
"We lost Google0781"
"It crashed?"
"Nope, it's functioning and still serving, but..."
"But what?"
"We just couldn't find it"
Klez and ILOVEYOU all have fixes. A lazy person who doesn't update and patch will have an unsecure system regardless of if it runs Windows, Linux, BSD, Mac OS X, or ANYTHING.
I'm not going to get into pro-some-OS flame war but I'd like to add one thing that you might have missed in the argument.
The OS that was infected with Klez and ILOVEYOU is a production system.
While the kernel which has fs corruption bug is supposed to be used by non-production, testing environment, and for those you like to use bleeding edge release.
Why isn't there a "Cringely" icon for slashdot? It seems that every time he publishes something, it ends up here!
/. editors like Stephen King /. editors love any reference to the words 'Startrek', 'cringely' and 'Stephen King'.
I've been bothering with this for quite some time, and came up with the following 6 reasons to explain this phenomenon:
1) He got a cool name.
2) He writes in tone matches his name - paranoiac, suspicious, and - cringely
3) His look matches his name - that cringely look - the look that can be find in Stephen King
4)
5)
6) There's no 6th reason. Move along.
(I'm aware that there's no such word 'cringely', but you got the idea....or not?)
Unless they could block all the ports, one can always find way out.
:)
I'm tunnelling thru the corporate firewall at time of browsing and posting, thru port 443, via their proxy 8088.
At least we've learnt a good lesson to stay with the fact where majority reporters nowaday don't. :)
Thank you for giving link to this article and it gives insight to what seems to be an obvious case.
Given that I'm not from US thus my opinion has not been affected much by US' media, I'm still not convinced that, after reading the article, the lady should be awarded that much for her own mistake. Yes, she suffered 3rd burnt and is crippled, but it's all due to her mishandling of a cup of coffee. In retrospective, she shouldn't have put a cup of hot coffee in between her lap.
Though not in sound tone of questioning, aiken does have a point when he pointed out that whether the hardware store should be responsible when someone becomes crippled as a result of mishandling of a hammer. The Shampooo example is far-reach, given the nature of dangerous compounds adding to a product is in itself problematic thus is irrelevent to her case.
I do feel sympathy to the victim, nevertheless.
like some others in the Australian government, has learned a little about his portfolio during his 7 years at the helm. He responds openly about his censorhip regime, lack of action against spam and his antipathy towards Electronic Frontiers Australia but refuses to get into details on cyberterrorism response and security expenditure.
Out of curiosity, where did you aussies pick up those people to run your Government? Law firms? Car insurance companies?
Microsoft?