What about the recent Apple lack of innovation, and the reported lack of staff motivation? As a owner of 2 Macs, 2 iPhones and an iPad, I'm just worrying.
If that's your only skin in the game, i.e. you don't have a butt load of shares, then why should you even care, let alone worry? Enjoy your apple purchases for the next few years and when it's time to upgrade, take your business to the one-true-company that has beaten Apple at its own game.
I personally find it appalling that Apple have not followed the spirit of the EU directive
You owe it to yourself to confirm this opinion that you have stated as fact, for example I read on slashdot that the EU directive explicitly mentions the use of adapters for compliance. Since Im not stating it as fact either way then I'm under no obligation to research this myself - aka I'm too lazy!
Well at least you are trying to engage in the discussion rather than just throw insults around. But the point the parent is trying to make is that on the contrary it's very difficult to determine if the smartphone you have in your hand is ethically sourced. To do the research for yourself you either have to be rich and have a lot of time on your hands, or have a really weird hobby. To rely on the various scare stories, for and against, probably just involves reinforcing the opinions you already have. I know I'm susceptible and tend to look for the argument that puts apple in the best light - it's a hard skill to learn to listen to arguments from the "other side".
Wouldnt it be better to use kinect-like motion sensors for this sort of thing? Seems pretty random to put hype that kind of tech in the carpet. Prone to drinks spillage, animal piss and wear and tear.
You might not agree with my comments and that's fine, but why call me a troll? I took time to craft my arguments (about 20 minutes) and unlike you I definitely have many better things I could be doing. Quite possibly I didn't do a good job, but it's quite sad to come here for reasoned debate and be met with that kind of response just because my opinion happens to deviate from the masses. Sorry, there isn't really any incentive to engage with your post any further.
I agree that apple are assholes for this shit and it highlights the terrible patent system. However I also think that Samsung are the bigger assholes who basically get a free ride by copying competitor products. I don't care what the legal system has to say about it and which team wins in the long run but in my book it's plain wrong.
Apple are guilty of this too of course, but do you want to know the difference? They have the confidence to enter fledgling markets where it's in no way obvious to anybody that there is a golden opportunity to be had and then they bet big. They bet way big, ramping up production, tying up components in mega deals.
Sony on the other hand cherry pick by copying business opportunities that are already successful. That doesn't take balls, it just takes a fucking massive company who can produce a facsimile of a competitors product (maybe sometimes better) and ramp up their machine on a massive scale.
Whoops I picked a bad time to "cheerlead" apple, expect me to be modded down in 3...2...
Wrong on two counts. Pepsi is horribly, sickly sweet to my taste buds - coke is clearly the superior beverage. Maybe you like that but either way there would have to be something wrong with you not to at least tell the difference.
As for shipping iturds, apple could get away with that shit exactly once. Never seems to occur to some people that a brand becomes respected because it's repeatedly associated with good products. Out of all the willful blind spots nurtured here on slashdot I find this one frankly... weird. Totally fucking moronic. Prove me wrong though by citing another brand that thrives despite shit products and customer contempt. And I don't mean one that makes money, I mean an iconic brand that attracts a lot of customer loyalty.
Yes and no. [Nuclear Missiles] are a weapon. Depending on who wields the weapon, it can be disastrous. Legally, [Nuclear Missiles] can be used defensively or offensively. I'd say the offensive users are worse than the defensive users. Overall the system is broken, but how "bad" it is that some company got a [Nuclear Missile] -- well, that time will tell.
I'm not judging you btw, I just thought this is an interesting analogy that might be worth thinking about. In other words it's moral for the world to stock up on nuclear missiles as long as nobody uses them.
However you seem to be beating round the bush and are trying to say Apple are the bad guys because they used them first vs Samsung?? The court case (and inevitable appeal) may give credence to Samsung acting first with their "copycat" weapon, time will tell.
Jesus H, only on slashdot. Yes, if by "piss off" you mean "google attempting to add value to their business to protect future revenues". They are not trying to act out some nerds fantasy battle.
I hate Scientology and all other religious cults (i.e. "religions") as much as the next rational person, but
It's ironic that you have to make slashdots equivalent of the sign of the cross so that you aren't modded down as a heretic for your subsequent words. Slashdot canon if you will.
We are all members of one cult or another as we can't escape indoctrination - except maybe for those dumped in a forest at the age of four and raised by wolves. I know this because most of us slip into the cogs of western society like those that went before us. There is a place in the machine for everyone.
That you proclaim yourself as rational makes me skeptical of you but I could be wrong, maybe I should have taken a chance and read the rest of your post, but I couldn't get past slashdots bigoted received wisdom on this occasion.
But why should slashdot move on from these submissions when members such as yourself keep swallowing the click bait? If you look at these Apple vs Samsung/google submissions they regularly attract posts in their hundreds.
I often hear Android fans say that they refuse to buy Apple as a sign of disapproval, so how about not clicking on these stories for the same reason?
I love how some slash dotters are so on edge that they end up in comic book guy sarcastic battle mode when answering a simple comment. Anyway I didn't consider your scenario so I guess I do have somewhat of a simple gadget based life. Kids aren't generally allowed to take their gadgets out of the house except on special occasions, wife doesn't work etc. I'm kinda hoping in a few years time when kids are older that induction charging mats will be common place, but whatever, a single standard would be good.
Ok, but why be obtuse about it, it's well documented that Apple have accused Samsung of copying isn't it? So of course that's the weapon I'm talking about. I'm not saying that Apples accusations have any merit because I've not seen any Samsung products to comment, but that would be the "first strike" from _Apples_ point of view. Don't confuse my analysis of what Apple may be thinking with my own personal opinion of the rights and wrongs of it all.
Besides that wasn't event the point I was making: which is that it's just possible that Samsung's invocation of the law has no element of retribution to it, i.e. its just yet more dickish behavior from another mega-cap. I'm making that point because there is a lot of cheerleading of Samsung on slashdot over this action (because it's directed at Apple) when maybe we should be condemning them for going down the same path as Apple.
Just wondered if gadgets mostly come with chargers anyway, in which case how would making them standard help? My last few gadgets purchased have been an iPhone 4s, iPhone 4, iPad, nintendo 3ds, nintendo ds lite and some anonymous Nokia feature phone. Every one has shipped with a charger, so standard or no, I'd still have the same mountain of chargers in my possession. The only possible benefit of having a standard is if one day in the future gadgets started shipping sans charger so that you would have to buy one separately.
Although the other side to that argument is that according to Apple, Samsung has been constantly at their throats only with a different weapon than the courts. And as an Apple fan I would like a bit of convincing that that this latest act of aggression from Samsung is merely retaliation for earlier acts of aggression from Apple - that's if you aren't just preaching to the choir. Citing some timeline of legal action where Apple is plotted first isn't evidence.
You see another theory would be that Samsung are just acting dickishly in the name of their own shareholders regardless of earlier dickish behavior from Apple.
The language used by the AC reply to your post was a little bit blunt, but the point is valid - in Apples opinion Samsung was the party that struck first by their unfair actions and therefore Apple would consider that they are acting in their own defence. What you are implying is that any party that seeks redress via the courts must always be the aggressor.
Maybe you have some argument as to why Apple _should_ be seen as the aggressor, but if so you haven't presented it here, you've merely asserted that it's the case. Then again why should you go to the trouble of presenting an argument, after all there isn't a great deal of that around here:-)
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What about the recent Apple lack of innovation, and the reported lack of staff motivation? As a owner of 2 Macs, 2 iPhones and an iPad, I'm just worrying.
If that's your only skin in the game, i.e. you don't have a butt load of shares, then why should you even care, let alone worry? Enjoy your apple purchases for the next few years and when it's time to upgrade, take your business to the one-true-company that has beaten Apple at its own game.
I personally find it appalling that Apple have not followed the spirit of the EU directive
You owe it to yourself to confirm this opinion that you have stated as fact, for example I read on slashdot that the EU directive explicitly mentions the use of adapters for compliance. Since Im not stating it as fact either way then I'm under no obligation to research this myself - aka I'm too lazy!
I'm not convinced there isn't some profit motive behind all of this
Only on slashdot. Of course there is a profit motive, they are a business out to make money! Jesus.
Well at least you are trying to engage in the discussion rather than just throw insults around. But the point the parent is trying to make is that on the contrary it's very difficult to determine if the smartphone you have in your hand is ethically sourced. To do the research for yourself you either have to be rich and have a lot of time on your hands, or have a really weird hobby. To rely on the various scare stories, for and against, probably just involves reinforcing the opinions you already have. I know I'm susceptible and tend to look for the argument that puts apple in the best light - it's a hard skill to learn to listen to arguments from the "other side".
All companies try to market themselves as different than the competition, that's a given.
Perhaps Microsoft has decided they need to make money instead of doing loss leaders.
Hmm you could be on to something. Perhaps they could price them at $800 and, you know, make even more money.
It's not going to change your life, get you laid
You don't know my wife...
Au contraire. I know your wife very well. Every night!
Wouldnt it be better to use kinect-like motion sensors for this sort of thing? Seems pretty random to put hype that kind of tech in the carpet. Prone to drinks spillage, animal piss and wear and tear.
True but Apple didn't go after that market, they went after the much smaller high end smartphone market.
You might not agree with my comments and that's fine, but why call me a troll? I took time to craft my arguments (about 20 minutes) and unlike you I definitely have many better things I could be doing. Quite possibly I didn't do a good job, but it's quite sad to come here for reasoned debate and be met with that kind of response just because my opinion happens to deviate from the masses. Sorry, there isn't really any incentive to engage with your post any further.
Apple are guilty of this too of course, but do you want to know the difference? They have the confidence to enter fledgling markets where it's in no way obvious to anybody that there is a golden opportunity to be had and then they bet big. They bet way big, ramping up production, tying up components in mega deals.
Sony on the other hand cherry pick by copying business opportunities that are already successful. That doesn't take balls, it just takes a fucking massive company who can produce a facsimile of a competitors product (maybe sometimes better) and ramp up their machine on a massive scale.
Whoops I picked a bad time to "cheerlead" apple, expect me to be modded down in 3...2...
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Too late!
As for shipping iturds, apple could get away with that shit exactly once. Never seems to occur to some people that a brand becomes respected because it's repeatedly associated with good products. Out of all the willful blind spots nurtured here on slashdot I find this one frankly... weird. Totally fucking moronic. Prove me wrong though by citing another brand that thrives despite shit products and customer contempt. And I don't mean one that makes money, I mean an iconic brand that attracts a lot of customer loyalty.
Yup, it's called the morality distortion field. Slashdot seems particularly susceptible.
Yes and no. [Nuclear Missiles] are a weapon. Depending on who wields the weapon, it can be disastrous. Legally, [Nuclear Missiles] can be used defensively or offensively. I'd say the offensive users are worse than the defensive users. Overall the system is broken, but how "bad" it is that some company got a [Nuclear Missile] -- well, that time will tell.
I'm not judging you btw, I just thought this is an interesting analogy that might be worth thinking about. In other words it's moral for the world to stock up on nuclear missiles as long as nobody uses them.
However you seem to be beating round the bush and are trying to say Apple are the bad guys because they used them first vs Samsung?? The court case (and inevitable appeal) may give credence to Samsung acting first with their "copycat" weapon, time will tell.
Jesus H, only on slashdot. Yes, if by "piss off" you mean "google attempting to add value to their business to protect future revenues". They are not trying to act out some nerds fantasy battle.
Yep, because that's the story here, right?
My stance is anti bigotry, not pro Christianity. But that would be lost on cowards such as yourself.
I hate Scientology and all other religious cults (i.e. "religions") as much as the next rational person, but
It's ironic that you have to make slashdots equivalent of the sign of the cross so that you aren't modded down as a heretic for your subsequent words. Slashdot canon if you will.
We are all members of one cult or another as we can't escape indoctrination - except maybe for those dumped in a forest at the age of four and raised by wolves. I know this because most of us slip into the cogs of western society like those that went before us. There is a place in the machine for everyone.
That you proclaim yourself as rational makes me skeptical of you but I could be wrong, maybe I should have taken a chance and read the rest of your post, but I couldn't get past slashdots bigoted received wisdom on this occasion.
I often hear Android fans say that they refuse to buy Apple as a sign of disapproval, so how about not clicking on these stories for the same reason?
I love how some slash dotters are so on edge that they end up in comic book guy sarcastic battle mode when answering a simple comment. Anyway I didn't consider your scenario so I guess I do have somewhat of a simple gadget based life. Kids aren't generally allowed to take their gadgets out of the house except on special occasions, wife doesn't work etc. I'm kinda hoping in a few years time when kids are older that induction charging mats will be common place, but whatever, a single standard would be good.
Besides that wasn't event the point I was making: which is that it's just possible that Samsung's invocation of the law has no element of retribution to it, i.e. its just yet more dickish behavior from another mega-cap. I'm making that point because there is a lot of cheerleading of Samsung on slashdot over this action (because it's directed at Apple) when maybe we should be condemning them for going down the same path as Apple.
Just wondered if gadgets mostly come with chargers anyway, in which case how would making them standard help? My last few gadgets purchased have been an iPhone 4s, iPhone 4, iPad, nintendo 3ds, nintendo ds lite and some anonymous Nokia feature phone. Every one has shipped with a charger, so standard or no, I'd still have the same mountain of chargers in my possession. The only possible benefit of having a standard is if one day in the future gadgets started shipping sans charger so that you would have to buy one separately.
You see another theory would be that Samsung are just acting dickishly in the name of their own shareholders regardless of earlier dickish behavior from Apple.
Maybe you have some argument as to why Apple _should_ be seen as the aggressor, but if so you haven't presented it here, you've merely asserted that it's the case. Then again why should you go to the trouble of presenting an argument, after all there isn't a great deal of that around here :-)