by knowing which protein, they can analyse it's shape, once they know the shape, they can look for simularly shaped chemical that would block the recptor sites in the brain without stimulating them. Then they would have a drug that stops or reduces fear, I think it would be very dangerous.
If you think that one person can tell 10, 50, 150 or 500 people armed with rifles, pistols, and grenades to do things that put them in harms way solely through intimidation, you would be in for a rude awakening as a military commander.
That was the first thing i thought too, the fearless mice display a real lack of self-preservation skills. Being fearless because you're invincable is one thing, being fearless because you're fearless is another is another.
We had a sulpher crested cockateel; when let out for exercise the bird would sit on the curtain rod and actually call the cat. When the cat came in the room, the bird would swoop down just above the cat's reach. Eventualy the cat grew tired of being teased and started to reduce the height of his jumps, in return the bird swooped lower untill the cat finaly nailed the bird and sent him sailing across the floor. While the cat's feet flailed to get traction, the bird was getting up and shook the daze out of his head. The cat was now starting to make some progress on the slippery floor, so the bird let out a loud hiss which caused the cat's feet to start spinning in the opposite direction. The whole thing seemed more like something from saturady morning cartoons, than something that would really happen. they continued to do this, but not with the same gusto as before.
My suspicion is they have actually overwrote critical system files with their own versions so deleting a file means a non-op system. If this is true it strongly implies they somebody had the source code so they could recompile a system.dll to include their changes. How they got the code might prove intersting, the company that sold the DRM to sony just doesn't seem to have that kind of horsepower to get a microsoft source license. The cops always say "check the inlaws before the outlaws" who do you know connected with all of this has a microsoft OEM license? Even if Sony wasn't involved in writing the rootkit, the tin-foil hat croud will never believe it.
Are you kidding, those sony execs are rich enough they could charge them room and board on their prison cells! Think about the Fines and Court costs; this thing could be a gold-mine for everybody artists, consumers, attorney generals. The fines for just the copyright infringements could come to $60 million a year for the next millenium.
My best guess is that it overwrites some very critical system file with a new version rather than just adding a seperate file as a.dll. This way the Sony rootkit is installed into the filesystem dll and there is no way arround it. Seems like if they did that then they would have had to had the source code so they could change things. Might be interesting to see if guesses and suspicions pan out, and if Microsoft was duped or assisted.
I always wonder why I couldn't get copies of system files from microsoft incase one got corrupted on the disk, if I can get a sp through update and a web browser why not a system file or two?
It was very hard, even for Microsoft to figure out how to remove the damn thing without disabling the CD/DVD drive entirely I doubt it was that hard for Microsoft, but maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but it just seems easy,
do a clean install, that's easy right
do a crypto hash of the system files
play an Infected Sony disk and let it install the software
re-hash the system files
diff the two hash sets for changes
additionally it seems that Microsoft should have systems that run in a debug mode that lets the engineers look at the windows equivelent of a trace log of everything. Anything that makes low-level filesystem calls would be suspect. I have a rootkit finder on the wife's machine that specifical looks for files that don't appear in the normal system calls but do in low-level calls.
Personally I'd believe that Microsoft is saying it's hard because they finaly realise that it would look like they conspired with Sony and that would hurt the subscription based services they are desperat to launch like anti-virus and anti-spyware such as defender.
Because the IRS dosn't allow criminal procedes to claim standard business expenses deductions so they definatly affect the companies finacials, that's where SOX comes into play plus other SEC goodies. Violations can get C level exec's put in prison.
no that might result in your Attorney General vs. Sony, who if gets a criminal conviction by proving beyond a reasonable doubt, the presidence make your civil suit's preponderence of evidence much easier.
I America, the parole board would view that as not take responsiblity for his crime and delay his release for as long as possible. Additionaly our IRS would take a dim view on his not "paying his fair share" as determined by congress and collected through income tax and do everything they could to correct the situation. Normally our courts add court costs, restition and a healthy payment to the victim's rights fund. If he did achieve parole, he would of course have to pay for the parole officer's supervision. His lawyer if a public defender, would spend his time negotiating a deal with the procescuter rather than actively defending him, if he hired his own lawyer, the lawyer usually demands payment up-front. All considered being convicted of fraud is a costly affair. How are things on your side of the pond?
What gets over looked is that while spamming is reprehensible and illegal, it's normally a means to more nefarious ends. Spammers tend to be highly sociopathic and will rationalize any behaviour that suits them, they only follow the rules of society because we force them to, not because they believe the rule actually apply to them.
That depends, if you buy them from me, and I normaly sell radios, you wouldn't be liable as you would have no resonable expectation that they were stolen. I heard part of a court case where the bank brought suit against a sign company. The sign company bought the sail boat from a boat dealer and paid for through bartering services. The boat dealer neglected to pay the bank for the floor-plan loan on the boat, making it stolen. The judge ruled the sign company isn't expected to suspect that a boat dealer is selling a boat that was stolen from the bank, even if they get a realy good deal because the boat dealer normaly sells boats. Of course IANAL.
If I was tempted to distribute software, that significantly altered the function of a computer and it's EULA specificaly understated the extent of the installation and the intended function of the software, due diligence would include outside opinions about the legality, and third party testing of the software. This not only violates civil law but very probably criminal law, somebody could go to prison.
In some circles in the company's home country, an appology for an mistake of this magnitude would include sacrifice of a body part or even life.
Not necessarily, copyright violations revolve around several issues, like how much of the copyrighted code was used. Everything varies by country and the lawyer's arguements. one court might decide that 25 lines copied into a 1000 line program is insignificant; another might decide that the program has 3 many functions and the 25 lines do one function are are substantial and comprise a thrid of the work. This is definately get a lawyer type of stuff. Personaly, I'm glad I'm not the one at SonyBMG that made the decission.
Besides, has Sony ever released a list of all affected CDs yet? why maybe Sony is the first one caught, could be others didn't even ask permission. In reality this makes a strong case for not running with admin priveleges on your windowsXP computer and not running with less than winXP.
They were running SuSE Enterprise 8.0 no emerge or pacman or apt-get that I know of, might be in there but SuSE and Redhat are RPM based. A SRPM might have been used but still installing a new glibc can cause a lot of system problems, just about everything links against it; not wise to attempt without a bootable rescue cd. The other thing is it forces your system out of vendor supported configuration, so now the admins are responsible for all of the updates.
Actualy they had to upgrade MySQL and install a new glibc
In the case of Milestone 2 on Linux, the search component required a more recent version of the glibc module on Linux. Each of the three administrators pursued vastly different paths to resolve this dependency with Administrator 3 ending after 10 hours in an unbootable system and administrator 1 running into a cascading sea of broken dependencies and a non-functional solution after 10 hours.
For you Windosers, that would be equivalent to recompiling every piece of software on your computer except the actual kernel. The Admin that actualy did it in less than 10 hrs. must be awesome.
OK I found the ringer, they made them upgrade glibc. No system admin would ever try to upgrade glibc from a non-distro source on a production machine. Even a distro rpm is scary and not attempted on a production machine first; if you need a new glibc, it's better to upgrade the whole distro.
They also made them upgrade MySQL from vers 3.23 to 4.1 from the MySQL site, again that not something anyone would do with out considerable testing in a production enviroment.
Probably was hardware, I've seen hardware just quit working, Windows would say "hardware not found" all of a sudden, put the device in My Linux box and works find. I assume its a detection problem, new OS has improved detection and looks for different things. Of course the tin-foil hat explaination is the software self-destructed because it knew it wasn't the current version of windows so you would have to upgrade.
It's probably easier to tell them that the US is like the EU, most Europeans would then be able to visualise the sovergnity issues in the US a bit better. It follows that if the US is like the EU then our states would be like their countries.
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by knowing which protein, they can analyse it's shape, once they know the shape, they can look for simularly shaped chemical that would block the recptor sites in the brain without stimulating them. Then they would have a drug that stops or reduces fear, I think it would be very dangerous.
If you think that one person can tell 10, 50, 150 or 500 people armed with rifles, pistols, and grenades to do things that put them in harms way solely through intimidation, you would be in for a rude awakening as a military commander.
That was the first thing i thought too, the fearless mice display a real lack of self-preservation skills. Being fearless because you're invincable is one thing, being fearless because you're fearless is another is another.
We had a sulpher crested cockateel; when let out for exercise the bird would sit on the curtain rod and actually call the cat. When the cat came in the room, the bird would swoop down just above the cat's reach. Eventualy the cat grew tired of being teased and started to reduce the height of his jumps, in return the bird swooped lower untill the cat finaly nailed the bird and sent him sailing across the floor. While the cat's feet flailed to get traction, the bird was getting up and shook the daze out of his head. The cat was now starting to make some progress on the slippery floor, so the bird let out a loud hiss which caused the cat's feet to start spinning in the opposite direction.
The whole thing seemed more like something from saturady morning cartoons, than something that would really happen. they continued to do this, but not with the same gusto as before.
My suspicion is they have actually overwrote critical system files with their own versions so deleting a file means a non-op system. If this is true it strongly implies they somebody had the source code so they could recompile a system .dll to include their changes. How they got the code might prove intersting, the company that sold the DRM to sony just doesn't seem to have that kind of horsepower to get a microsoft source license. The cops always say "check the inlaws before the outlaws" who do you know connected with all of this has a microsoft OEM license? Even if Sony wasn't involved in writing the rootkit, the tin-foil hat croud will never believe it.
Are you kidding, those sony execs are rich enough they could charge them room and board on their prison cells! Think about the Fines and Court costs; this thing could be a gold-mine for everybody artists, consumers, attorney generals. The fines for just the copyright infringements could come to $60 million a year for the next millenium.
My best guess is that it overwrites some very critical system file with a new version rather than just adding a seperate file as a .dll. This way the Sony rootkit is installed into the filesystem dll and there is no way arround it. Seems like if they did that then they would have had to had the source code so they could change things. Might be interesting to see if guesses and suspicions pan out, and if Microsoft was duped or assisted.
I always wonder why I couldn't get copies of system files from microsoft incase one got corrupted on the disk, if I can get a sp through update and a web browser why not a system file or two?
I doubt it was that hard for Microsoft, but maybe I'm giving them too much credit, but it just seems easy,
additionally it seems that Microsoft should have systems that run in a debug mode that lets the engineers look at the windows equivelent of a trace log of everything. Anything that makes low-level filesystem calls would be suspect. I have a rootkit finder on the wife's machine that specifical looks for files that don't appear in the normal system calls but do in low-level calls.
Personally I'd believe that Microsoft is saying it's hard because they finaly realise that it would look like they conspired with Sony and that would hurt the subscription based services they are desperat to launch like anti-virus and anti-spyware such as defender.
Because the IRS dosn't allow criminal procedes to claim standard business expenses deductions so they definatly affect the companies finacials, that's where SOX comes into play plus other SEC goodies. Violations can get C level exec's put in prison.
no that might result in your Attorney General vs. Sony, who if gets a criminal conviction by proving beyond a reasonable doubt, the presidence make your civil suit's preponderence of evidence much easier.
I America, the parole board would view that as not take responsiblity for his crime and delay his release for as long as possible. Additionaly our IRS would take a dim view on his not "paying his fair share" as determined by congress and collected through income tax and do everything they could to correct the situation. Normally our courts add court costs, restition and a healthy payment to the victim's rights fund. If he did achieve parole, he would of course have to pay for the parole officer's supervision. His lawyer if a public defender, would spend his time negotiating a deal with the procescuter rather than actively defending him, if he hired his own lawyer, the lawyer usually demands payment up-front. All considered being convicted of fraud is a costly affair.
How are things on your side of the pond?
What gets over looked is that while spamming is reprehensible and illegal, it's normally a means to more nefarious ends. Spammers tend to be highly sociopathic and will rationalize any behaviour that suits them, they only follow the rules of society because we force them to, not because they believe the rule actually apply to them.
I'm sure the lawyers could work something out that would allow Sony to survive, $60 Million a year for the next millenium would do it
That depends, if you buy them from me, and I normaly sell radios, you wouldn't be liable as you would have no resonable expectation that they were stolen. I heard part of a court case where the bank brought suit against a sign company. The sign company bought the sail boat from a boat dealer and paid for through bartering services. The boat dealer neglected to pay the bank for the floor-plan loan on the boat, making it stolen. The judge ruled the sign company isn't expected to suspect that a boat dealer is selling a boat that was stolen from the bank, even if they get a realy good deal because the boat dealer normaly sells boats. Of course IANAL.
a Very high up Sony technicrat "retire" early, as in Seppuku ?
If I was tempted to distribute software, that significantly altered the function of a computer and it's EULA specificaly understated the extent of the installation and the intended function of the software, due diligence would include outside opinions about the legality, and third party testing of the software. This not only violates civil law but very probably criminal law, somebody could go to prison.
In some circles in the company's home country, an appology for an mistake of this magnitude would include sacrifice of a body part or even life.
Not necessarily, copyright violations revolve around several issues, like how much of the copyrighted code was used. Everything varies by country and the lawyer's arguements.
one court might decide that 25 lines copied into a 1000 line program is insignificant; another might decide that the program has 3 many functions and the 25 lines do one function are are substantial and comprise a thrid of the work. This is definately get a lawyer type of stuff. Personaly, I'm glad I'm not the one at SonyBMG that made the decission.
Besides, has Sony ever released a list of all affected CDs yet?
why maybe Sony is the first one caught, could be others didn't even ask permission. In reality this makes a strong case for not running with admin priveleges on your windowsXP computer and not running with less than winXP.
They were running SuSE Enterprise 8.0 no emerge or pacman or apt-get that I know of, might be in there but SuSE and Redhat are RPM based. A SRPM might have been used but still installing a new glibc can cause a lot of system problems, just about everything links against it; not wise to attempt without a bootable rescue cd. The other thing is it forces your system out of vendor supported configuration, so now the admins are responsible for all of the updates.
For you Windosers, that would be equivalent to recompiling every piece of software on your computer except the actual kernel. The Admin that actualy did it in less than 10 hrs. must be awesome.
OK I found the ringer, they made them upgrade glibc. No system admin would ever try to upgrade glibc from a non-distro source on a production machine. Even a distro rpm is scary and not attempted on a production machine first; if you need a new glibc, it's better to upgrade the whole distro.
They also made them upgrade MySQL from vers 3.23 to 4.1 from the MySQL site, again that not something anyone would do with out considerable testing in a production enviroment.
Probably was hardware, I've seen hardware just quit working, Windows would say "hardware not found" all of a sudden, put the device in My Linux box and works find. I assume its a detection problem, new OS has improved detection and looks for different things. Of course the tin-foil hat explaination is the software self-destructed because it knew it wasn't the current version of windows so you would have to upgrade.
there is no such thing as too much hops.
Yes there is, keep brewing, one day you'll find your perfect balance
even without virtual hosting it would break cookies without a workaround
It's probably easier to tell them that the US is like the EU, most Europeans would then be able to visualise the sovergnity issues in the US a bit better. It follows that if the US is like the EU then our states would be like their countries.