if you threaten mayhem, it is a not a "thought crime" to catch you and punish you on that basis
if you threaten mayhem it is a statement of intent, for which you can, and should, be punished
for example, if i were to threaten the life of the president, i would get a visit from the secret service, and i should get such a visit, and i should be punished
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Yes, you would be arrested, but you would not be charged with "terror plot".
if i call my girlfriend and tell her i am going to kill her, she should call the police, and the police should visit me, and they should visit me, and i should be punished
You will find that in many countries, police can't do much, except bring the person who threatens in, talk to him/her, then release him/her. Court could try to prohibit that person from approaching/contacting you, but that is all pointless if person is planning to kill you.
Once that person kills you, then the police can actually do something. Paradoxal, but that's how it is.
this is not rocket science here folks. if you make a statement of intent to do bodily harm, it is going to be taken seriously, and it should be taken seriously
if you threaten to 1% (or the 'president'), then yes - you will suffer some consequences.
If you threaten to me or my neighbour, pretty much nothing will happen.
Are you 12 years old or something?
This person could have been charged according to laws that handle 'threats to president', but charging him with terror plot is beyond ridiculous.
This is just part of the campaign to tar Google with any brush they can. Read this.
You are silly.
This has nothing to do with Google, but with the fact that corporation are somehow allowed to pay incredibly small taxes, while you as a hardworking and honest person have absolutely no way to achieve similar tax rate.
Question is - why is system favouring corporations?
I as an American agree wholeheartedly, but Europe has a longstanding postwar habit of not spending more than â0.17 on defense and relying on the US to cover the rest (witness the Yugoslav Wars).
So, you seem to know everything about everything.
Tell me, which country was supplying most weapons and breaking UN imposed sanctions, during "Yugoslav Wars"?
No idea where you got that name, though, noone who lives here (or was involved in it) ever called it that way.
A "pre-emptive strike" against a defensive system is not justified. The Russians should also consider that any "pre-emtpive strike" will result in retaliation and weigh that before deciding. If the Russians are willing to go to war against the US over and defensive installation that we have offered them unfettered access to, then they really just want war anyway.
Signed, An American Soldier
I can't wait for you to explain me what exactly were strikes against Iraq and Afghanistan about.
Also, would you consider a missile launch silo as an offensive or defensive system?
Where did this come from, Russia is prepared to actually start world war 3 over a missile defence system? I thought the cold war was over? Its a bit more serious than sabre rattling!
Rather, US is prepared to actually start world war 3 over a missile defence system.
You yanks keep ignoring the fact that people in those countries actually don't want your missiles stationed there.
It took many years and many threats (some of which were documented fairly well) to other *friendly nations* in order to finally get "approval" from corrupt governments, to place missiles in their countries. And people don't want that.
For example, since 2007 (earlier, actually), there have been promises and calls for referendum in Poland.
It still didn't happen.
Are you still going to pretend how US government are the "good guys"?
... or is Putin getting crazier as he gets older? Is he heading down the mad old dictator route of many past soviet general secretaries?
Perhaps the west should carry out a pre-emptive strike on all those russian arms shipments to various unpleasent regimes around the planet (yes I know the west is hardly squeeky clean in that regard too but the russians well sell to pretty much anyone with a big enough wallet).
Yeah, it is just you.
If you think what US is doing is ok, then noone can help you.
What people don't understand these days is the importance of enhanced interrogation techniques to winning our war on terror. It's not enough to take low-level fanatics out of commission. The masterminds and planners will always find another volunteer with promises and guarantees. $250000 is a lot of money to most people, and the organization has significant financial resources to expend. But identifying the threat can be difficult due to their secretive nature. It would be negligent for us to withhold any tools at our disposal, including waterboarding, to get Mr. Cromitie to tell us WHO HE IS WORKING FOR. We have to strike at the head of the organization; only then can we win the war on terror.
Hahahahahaha.
It could have been a good troll, but you messed it up.
At the time of 9/11, people criticized the FBI for sitting on its ass and letting Bin Laden get away with it. Call me crazy, but I'm all for jailing and killing people who want to destroy the U.S.
You actually believe that "terrorists" want to "destroy the U.S."?
Even if that is the case, "terrorists" don't really need to do much, you guys are doing just fine on your own.
I feel sorry for the crowd here when someone as sleazy as Kim gets lauded as a hero. The guy is a known crook, despised by everyone with a clue, and he is absolutely not the kind of sleazebag you want to root for. Don't fall into that trap.
I really doubt that millions of people were more than slightly inconvenienced. Smart people didn't put their only copy of any data they thought was important there. A service like that is for backups and exchange with other users. Unless either you were stupid or list your original due to a crash, you can just re-upload to another service.
You are really silly.
I had my whole photo album there (12GB or so of photos), uploaded over a very long period of time. Of course, it was not the only copy, but it was the copy which family/friends could always see.
It did not require me to give any 'identifiable' details when creating an account, it doesn't really know who I am, I haven't been getting spam to email address which I've used for registration, it was extremely fast for everyone, it was much faster than other services I've tried, blah, blah, blah. I still have backups of my photos, but do you realize how long I'll have to upload them, on 512Kbit uplink, to another service? That won't happen.
Can't you just accept that they were providing a good service? I'd rather pay them for premium account, than have it for free and have my data being sold to everyone who asks for it.
There is not such thing as a free lunch.
If you still don't understand what I am talking about, maybe this will help:
While the legality of the move raises questions, I have to admit, there seems something poetic about someone who earned a fortune on ill-gotten, pirated material complaining about having his business trashed and jobs lost.
You really need to stop using that catchphrase.
I think it would be obvious by now that there are many many people who did not use Mega for things you did.
He earned his fortune by providing a really good service to customers. What the customers were doing, you can't know so stop assuming so much.
I did in warrantied repairs for an Apple authorized service provider for two years. I can't tell you how many of these repairs apple picked up the tab on. I have never seen another computer company take as much responsibility as they have on this issue. The repair to replace the logic board that contained the defective GPU was a $1700 repair from a third-party authorized repair center and I did an average of 2 to 3 a week for 2 years.
Try stacking up those numbers against any other computer companies defective products in what they did to fix them
What is your point? That they are great because they repaired some of those broken computers?
And if a terrorist group uses that research to kill thousands or millions? Will you still feel its justified?
First, it's government of the "developed world" that go most of the killing (or turn blind eye when their 'strategic allies' do it). Not the terrorists.
Second, do you hold inventors of gun powder responsible for deaths of thousands or millions?
I am more scared of governments than terrorists. I really am.
Congrats. You saved $99 for your entire company. Get a cert if you allow data you care about to be exposed to the public Internet. Ever hear of man in the middle? Train your users to purposedly accept self signed certs from their personal devices, it's asking for it.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
MiTM is easier to perform if you use 'official' certs (from CAs already in browsers/etc) than self-signed ones. Or to rephrase it - you are less safe when using 'official' certs.
You can rollout your own CA, whether it is to use at home, or in Fortune 100 company.
Why are these simple concepts so hard to understand for most people - I will never understand.
I work for a cloud provider. I have root on all of the servers. I have never, nor have I ever even wanted too, looked at any of our customers data. If fact, I'm not even sure that I could: if I even knew how!
Of course, because you're not doing it - nobody else is.
The issue is, that one would expect a distro specifically built for security and penetration testing would not have a discoverable security flaw. No matter how obscure. It might make one wonder what else has been missed?
No, one would not expect that.
You've probably never done a pen test, nor do you understand how Backtrack works.
If an American company placed a tender, we wouldn't think twice. If a technology branch of the NSA placed a tender, we would, as diplomatically as possible, tell them to shove their tender up their ass despite being our closest ally that we already share intel on our citizens with.
I wonder if we had an open-source, open-specification requirement in the tender if all these companies would still bid.
I would suspect all those, except the ones with something to hide, would.
Haha. So, American companies don't do spying work for the government? Nor would US government do spying work for corporate interests?
I mean, are you insane or what?
Peoples' memory is the shortest living thing on this planet.
...by people who support Huawei, most likely. Unfortunately for Huawei's defenders in Australia (and outside of Australia as evidenced by those), it puts them in the open as standing against their own country and having a greater allegiance for the PRC.
Stand strong Australia, and resist the urge to bend to the will of China. They will do everything to get you to back down - stop only when they give up and lose face.
Are you ok, mate?
I've seen members of various sects being more sane than you.
Here we are, year 2012, and the same people who've been stealing and helping their cronies are still scaring the "free world" in the same way like they've done for past 60 years.
Don't mind them putting the cash in pockets, just please be scared of evil .
Anyone who thinks this has anything to do with 'national security' is incredibly dumb.
This has to do with kickbacks and lobbying.
Oh look - there is a communist hanging off your chandelier!
Personally I think they've been caught red-handed in a high-profile network about 2 years ago and the big guys employ people who know the details about this.
You think "they've been caught red-handed"? I mean, do you have ANY information to share, except what your sixth sense tells you?
Linux does have comparable remote-access protocols to RDP, all of which have had plenty of remote exploits in past. For example have a look at CERT advisories on SSH and X11. Don't even get me started on VNC, which is often not updated automatically because it's an installable add-on instead of a system component.
You didn't get a chance to look at years on those advisories, eh?
In year 2002 everything was vulnerable. Literally.
In year 2012, one would expect that such critical component like RDP would be audited 100 times by Microsoft. Seemingly not.
Yeah, a country run by a theocracy that has announced it wants to annihilate one of its neighbors and is busy getting nuclear weapons, what could possibly go wrong?
Yet, they haven't shot at anyone.
Unlike certain free country which is pillaging and burning things around the world, both militarily and politically.
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if you threaten mayhem, it is a not a "thought crime" to catch you and punish you on that basis
if you threaten mayhem it is a statement of intent, for which you can, and should, be punished
for example, if i were to threaten the life of the president, i would get a visit from the secret service, and i should get such a visit, and i should be punished
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
Yes, you would be arrested, but you would not be charged with "terror plot".
if i call my girlfriend and tell her i am going to kill her, she should call the police, and the police should visit me, and they should visit me, and i should be punished
You will find that in many countries, police can't do much, except bring the person who threatens in, talk to him/her, then release him/her. Court could try to prohibit that person from approaching/contacting you, but that is all pointless if person is planning to kill you.
Once that person kills you, then the police can actually do something. Paradoxal, but that's how it is.
this is not rocket science here folks. if you make a statement of intent to do bodily harm, it is going to be taken seriously, and it should be taken seriously
if you threaten to 1% (or the 'president'), then yes - you will suffer some consequences.
If you threaten to me or my neighbour, pretty much nothing will happen.
Are you 12 years old or something?
This person could have been charged according to laws that handle 'threats to president', but charging him with terror plot is beyond ridiculous.
Thought crime. It is here, finally.
This is just part of the campaign to tar Google with any brush they can. Read this.
You are silly.
This has nothing to do with Google, but with the fact that corporation are somehow allowed to pay incredibly small taxes, while you as a hardworking and honest person have absolutely no way to achieve similar tax rate.
Question is - why is system favouring corporations?
As if we don't know the answer already :(
I as an American agree wholeheartedly, but Europe has a longstanding postwar habit of not spending more than â0.17 on defense and relying on the US to cover the rest (witness the Yugoslav Wars).
So, you seem to know everything about everything.
Tell me, which country was supplying most weapons and breaking UN imposed sanctions, during "Yugoslav Wars"?
No idea where you got that name, though, noone who lives here (or was involved in it) ever called it that way.
A "pre-emptive strike" against a defensive system is not justified. The Russians should also consider that any "pre-emtpive strike" will result in retaliation and weigh that before deciding. If the Russians are willing to go to war against the US over and defensive installation that we have offered them unfettered access to, then they really just want war anyway.
Signed,
An American Soldier
I can't wait for you to explain me what exactly were strikes against Iraq and Afghanistan about.
Also, would you consider a missile launch silo as an offensive or defensive system?
How can you be stupid is beyond me.
Where did this come from, Russia is prepared to actually start world war 3 over a missile defence system? I thought the cold war was over? Its a bit more serious than sabre rattling!
Rather, US is prepared to actually start world war 3 over a missile defence system.
See what I did there?
You yanks keep ignoring the fact that people in those countries actually don't want your missiles stationed there.
It took many years and many threats (some of which were documented fairly well) to other *friendly nations* in order to finally get "approval" from corrupt governments, to place missiles in their countries. And people don't want that.
For example, since 2007 (earlier, actually), there have been promises and calls for referendum in Poland.
It still didn't happen.
Are you still going to pretend how US government are the "good guys"?
... or is Putin getting crazier as he gets older? Is he heading down the mad old dictator route of many past soviet general secretaries?
Perhaps the west should carry out a pre-emptive strike on all those russian arms shipments to various unpleasent regimes around the planet (yes I know the west is hardly squeeky clean in that regard too but the russians well sell to pretty much anyone with a big enough wallet).
Yeah, it is just you.
If you think what US is doing is ok, then noone can help you.
What people don't understand these days is the importance of enhanced interrogation techniques to winning our war on terror. It's not enough to take low-level fanatics out of commission. The masterminds and planners will always find another volunteer with promises and guarantees. $250000 is a lot of money to most people, and the organization has significant financial resources to expend. But identifying the threat can be difficult due to their secretive nature. It would be negligent for us to withhold any tools at our disposal, including waterboarding, to get Mr. Cromitie to tell us WHO HE IS WORKING FOR. We have to strike at the head of the organization; only then can we win the war on terror.
Hahahahahaha.
It could have been a good troll, but you messed it up.
At the time of 9/11, people criticized the FBI for sitting on its ass and letting Bin Laden get away with it. Call me crazy, but I'm all for jailing and killing people who want to destroy the U.S.
You actually believe that "terrorists" want to "destroy the U.S."?
Even if that is the case, "terrorists" don't really need to do much, you guys are doing just fine on your own.
I feel sorry for the crowd here when someone as sleazy as Kim gets lauded as a hero. The guy is a known crook, despised by everyone with a clue, and he is absolutely not the kind of sleazebag you want to root for. Don't fall into that trap.
He stole your lunch money once, too?
I really doubt that millions of people were more than slightly inconvenienced. Smart people didn't put their only copy of any data they thought was important there. A service like that is for backups and exchange with other users. Unless either you were stupid or list your original due to a crash, you can just re-upload to another service.
You are really silly.
I had my whole photo album there (12GB or so of photos), uploaded over a very long period of time. Of course, it was not the only copy, but it was the copy which family/friends could always see.
It did not require me to give any 'identifiable' details when creating an account, it doesn't really know who I am, I haven't been getting spam to email address which I've used for registration, it was extremely fast for everyone, it was much faster than other services I've tried, blah, blah, blah. I still have backups of my photos, but do you realize how long I'll have to upload them, on 512Kbit uplink, to another service? That won't happen.
Can't you just accept that they were providing a good service? I'd rather pay them for premium account, than have it for free and have my data being sold to everyone who asks for it.
There is not such thing as a free lunch.
If you still don't understand what I am talking about, maybe this will help:
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/demotivational-posters-facebook-you.jpg
While the legality of the move raises questions, I have to admit, there seems something poetic about someone who earned a fortune on ill-gotten, pirated material complaining about having his business trashed and jobs lost.
You really need to stop using that catchphrase.
I think it would be obvious by now that there are many many people who did not use Mega for things you did.
He earned his fortune by providing a really good service to customers. What the customers were doing, you can't know so stop assuming so much.
I did in warrantied repairs for an Apple authorized service provider for two years. I can't tell you how many of these repairs apple picked up the tab on. I have never seen another computer company take as much responsibility as they have on this issue. The repair to replace the logic board that contained the defective GPU was a $1700 repair from a third-party authorized repair center and I did an average of 2 to 3 a week for 2 years.
Try stacking up those numbers against any other computer companies defective products in what they did to fix them
What is your point? That they are great because they repaired some of those broken computers?
Amusing.
And if a terrorist group uses that research to kill thousands or millions? Will you still feel its justified?
First, it's government of the "developed world" that go most of the killing (or turn blind eye when their 'strategic allies' do it). Not the terrorists.
Second, do you hold inventors of gun powder responsible for deaths of thousands or millions?
I am more scared of governments than terrorists. I really am.
Congrats. You saved $99 for your entire company. Get a cert if you allow data you care about to be exposed to the public Internet. Ever hear of man in the middle? Train your users to purposedly accept self signed certs from their personal devices, it's asking for it.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
MiTM is easier to perform if you use 'official' certs (from CAs already in browsers/etc) than self-signed ones. Or to rephrase it - you are less safe when using 'official' certs.
You can rollout your own CA, whether it is to use at home, or in Fortune 100 company.
Why are these simple concepts so hard to understand for most people - I will never understand.
5 of those 6 apps listed give you a warning and/or choice before they touch your contacts. Path is the only one that does it without your consent.
Android asks you for permission when you're installing the application.
Is it Android's fault that users are stupid and give permission, then yell "MALWARE!!!"?
I work for a cloud provider. I have root on all of the servers. I have never, nor have I ever even wanted too, looked at any of our customers data. If fact, I'm not even sure that I could: if I even knew how!
Of course, because you're not doing it - nobody else is.
Sound logic.
The issue is, that one would expect a distro specifically built for security and penetration testing would not have a discoverable security flaw. No matter how obscure.
It might make one wonder what else has been missed?
No, one would not expect that.
You've probably never done a pen test, nor do you understand how Backtrack works.
If an American company placed a tender, we wouldn't think twice. If a technology branch of the NSA placed a tender, we would, as diplomatically as possible, tell them to shove their tender up their ass despite being our closest ally that we already share intel on our citizens with.
I wonder if we had an open-source, open-specification requirement in the tender if all these companies would still bid.
I would suspect all those, except the ones with something to hide, would.
Haha. So, American companies don't do spying work for the government? Nor would US government do spying work for corporate interests?
I mean, are you insane or what?
Peoples' memory is the shortest living thing on this planet.
...by people who support Huawei, most likely. Unfortunately for Huawei's defenders in Australia (and outside of Australia as evidenced by those), it puts them in the open as standing against their own country and having a greater allegiance for the PRC.
Stand strong Australia, and resist the urge to bend to the will of China. They will do everything to get you to back down - stop only when they give up and lose face.
Are you ok, mate?
I've seen members of various sects being more sane than you.
Here we are, year 2012, and the same people who've been stealing and helping their cronies are still scaring the "free world" in the same way like they've done for past 60 years.
Don't mind them putting the cash in pockets, just please be scared of evil .
Anyone who thinks this has anything to do with 'national security' is incredibly dumb.
This has to do with kickbacks and lobbying.
Oh look - there is a communist hanging off your chandelier!
Personally I think they've been caught red-handed in a high-profile network about 2 years ago and the big guys employ people who know the details about this.
You think "they've been caught red-handed"? I mean, do you have ANY information to share, except what your sixth sense tells you?
They copied that phony practice from Google: if you want to get uncensored results you have to "log in" which means give up your privacy/anonymity.
I am not quite sure why you'd spew nonsense like that.
Open private tab/window, to go Google, search for "blowjob", click "Images", set "SafeSearch" to "Off" - and you're done.
No need to log in.
Linux does have comparable remote-access protocols to RDP, all of which have had plenty of remote exploits in past. For example have a look at CERT advisories on SSH and X11. Don't even get me started on VNC, which is often not updated automatically because it's an installable add-on instead of a system component.
You didn't get a chance to look at years on those advisories, eh?
In year 2002 everything was vulnerable. Literally.
In year 2012, one would expect that such critical component like RDP would be audited 100 times by Microsoft. Seemingly not.
Yeah, a country run by a theocracy that has announced it wants to annihilate one of its neighbors and is busy getting nuclear weapons, what could possibly go wrong?
Yet, they haven't shot at anyone.
Unlike certain free country which is pillaging and burning things around the world, both militarily and politically.
Stop that fucking nonsense, ok?
If they are as exciting as the Manning leaks, I'll pass.
So, you can't read, or you just didn't want to read it?
Which one is it?