Maybe you've decided that accepting contradiction is the best course of action because it's a tactic you've chosen before... not because you've discovered it to be the best tactic....I'm just sayin' is all...
See, this is why people find geeks so wierd. How do you explain to your Dad, upon finally getting him to agree to rid his system of Windows XP, and install a flashy new bug and virus free Ubuntu that the numbers "5.1" and "5.10" mean TOTALLY different things? My Dad would just stand there and shake his head at me: "We came to this country for you to get an education...".... At least it's better than having to explain to my Mom that Microsoft Office isn't "where Google is". Or where all the "sexy pictures" come from on his computer. Shudder.
Maybe people will finally understand the implications of this DRM crap. At the very least people everywhere will think twice before endorsing a method used by greedy fat cats to impose their assy will on others.
It's a good question. I've thought about it alot. In essence, you could write an abstraction layer that does most of the stuff through PHP... That task wouldn't be EASY, but it could happen in a relatively short amount of time.
As for a Java implementation... One of the strengths of CF is its awesome Java support... very cross-platform, very clusterable, very standard, very extensible. This would all have to happen before anyone could take it seriously.
I'm actually kinda scared... but CF is big, and it's quite old. It was kinda popular even 10 years ago (among lazy web coders, hehe).
Now that many CMS people and others wanting RAD are using it more and more, Adobe won't mess with it (If they know what's good for em).
Also, CF7 has some wicked pdf exporting & reporting support. I can only hope this will improve once Adobe gets their shitty fingers all over it.
My gut instince is that the biggest victim will be Dreamweaver here. I used to develop with Homesite back in the day. It's only disadvantage was its lack of a Mac port..hehe. Anyway, When Allaire (the guys who put out ColdFusion initially) got bought by Macromedia and Homesite was but on the backburner in favour of Dreamweaver, there was period of instability for CF developers who were told to use the new buggy CF features in DW. Even though DW is improving its CF support, I don't want this to happen again.
I agree with you 100%. The cost does suck. hard. However, you can develop for free to get acquainted to it.
It's great when my company pays for the licence.
In all seriousness, my company feels as though the time saved on actual coding is the driving benefit. This offsets the cost of additional developers and as such, the initially high price is cushioned.
It'd be great if someone wrote a CF -> PHP compatibility layer so that firms can migrate from the expensive CF servers. (actually an open CF server running on J2EE would be better, since it would support clustering properly... as php+clustering sucks ass).
I'm seriously not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought I'd recommend ColdFusion for anyone wanting to do quick J2EE stuff. Taking into Account that ColdFusion might not be some developers' favourite choice (due to cost, it not really being Java, fear, penis envy, etc), I think it's important to understand its strengths.
Using CF, you can develop quick & dirty web apps & webservices, talk directly to Java objects, and (starting in CF7) make your own EAR package and deploy it under any J2EE compliant server.
CF can run under most J2EE servers and as such supports advanced clustering, load balancing and the like.
Again, i know CF isn't for everyone, but I've found a real use for it at our shop. It's possible to deploy quickly, perform quick maintenance, etc.
NO, I do not work for Macromedia nor am I a fanboy. I'm just touting.:)
I'd' normally agree with you on this one, but you have to ask yourself why Google would do it the Javascript way. Speed. No, this isn't a "Java is slow" troll. I see this Javascript clientside stuff as exciting, because we're using the clientside scripting strengths of the browser, which, even though they differ slightly from browser to browser, offer much in terms of execution speed.
Also, many people are used to the concept of a "web-application" by now (CSS, tables, fun JS stuff, whatever). Being able to extend this now familiar interface by making it look like what the user's used to (for example, a web-driven mail inbox) and add the facility to be able to change these familiar looking pages and make things appear and disappear and load and unload, etc etc etc all without a page reload or launching a VM is very enticing to many web developers.
One last note: Your point about Java is good. However, not all JVMs run EXACTLY as they should on all platforms. Today I had to upgrade my JVM because our corporate site needed something juuuuust slightly different. yuck.
After painstaking years of testing and research, Scientists have found the source of the problem with malfunctioning Firestone tires: THEY WEREN'T BUILT PROPERLY.
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Maybe you've decided that accepting contradiction is the best course of action because it's a tactic you've chosen before... not because you've discovered it to be the best tactic. ...I'm just sayin' is all...
No shit!
That's like saying a snail can't play the violin.
There's alot of things snails don't have a grasp on.
Snails and Politicians.
But I don't have anything against snails... yet.
Excellent reply.
:)
Kudos, friend.
I don't care who flames me for this
I don't even know what to say to that one.
Guys, If you want to be taken seriously, take the time to correct stupid mistakes such as this.
*Rubs eyes in disbelief*
See, this is why people find geeks so wierd. How do you explain to your Dad, upon finally getting him to agree to rid his system of Windows XP, and install a flashy new bug and virus free Ubuntu that the numbers "5.1" and "5.10" mean TOTALLY different things? My Dad would just stand there and shake his head at me: "We came to this country for you to get an education...". ... At least it's better than having to explain to my Mom that Microsoft Office isn't "where Google is". Or where all the "sexy pictures" come from on his computer. Shudder.
Maybe people will finally understand the implications of this DRM crap. At the very least people everywhere will think twice before endorsing a method used by greedy fat cats to impose their assy will on others.
[/Rage]
"You'd think journalists would be more careful, this soon after the single-use DVD hoax"
Oh yeah, I'm sure every "journalist" in the country did alot of soul-searching after that.
Yeah I read that one too. Clever.
... With that many quips, your quip-o-meter might explode.
"I've moved onto freeBSD because somewhere I saw a quip that went..."
You changed your OS due to a quip you read on a website?
If I were you, I'd stay away from sco.com
Figures... someone going for an MCSE doesn't know how to spell appropriate. I'm shocked. Really. ;)
"let's use redhat as our base distro from now on!"
(DUCKS)
a linux box.
"If Al Gore invented the internet, I invented spell check." :)
-Dan Quayle
go ahead and explain to me how exactly you plan on clustering a mono deployment.
try.
please.
exactly.
It's a good question. I've thought about it alot. In essence, you could write an abstraction layer that does most of the stuff through PHP... That task wouldn't be EASY, but it could happen in a relatively short amount of time.
As for a Java implementation... One of the strengths of CF is its awesome Java support... very cross-platform, very clusterable, very standard, very extensible. This would all have to happen before anyone could take it seriously.
to answer your question... err... i dunno.
ha
then Colour me FANBOY!
:P
haha
in hex it's #FA6B01
I agree. Adobe has nothing to offer in terms of a server side application development environment.
yet.
I'm actually kinda scared... but CF is big, and it's quite old. It was kinda popular even 10 years ago (among lazy web coders, hehe).
Now that many CMS people and others wanting RAD are using it more and more, Adobe won't mess with it (If they know what's good for em).
Also, CF7 has some wicked pdf exporting & reporting support. I can only hope this will improve once Adobe gets their shitty fingers all over it.
My gut instince is that the biggest victim will be Dreamweaver here. I used to develop with Homesite back in the day. It's only disadvantage was its lack of a Mac port..hehe. Anyway, When Allaire (the guys who put out ColdFusion initially) got bought by Macromedia and Homesite was but on the backburner in favour of Dreamweaver, there was period of instability for CF developers who were told to use the new buggy CF features in DW. Even though DW is improving its CF support, I don't want this to happen again.
Awesome post :)
I'd mod ya up, if i could.
hehe.
I agree with you 100%. The cost does suck. hard. However, you can develop for free to get acquainted to it.
It's great when my company pays for the licence.
In all seriousness, my company feels as though the time saved on actual coding is the driving benefit. This offsets the cost of additional developers and as such, the initially high price is cushioned.
It'd be great if someone wrote a CF -> PHP compatibility layer so that firms can migrate from the expensive CF servers. (actually an open CF server running on J2EE would be better, since it would support clustering properly... as php+clustering sucks ass).
I'm seriously not trying to start a flame war here, but I thought I'd recommend ColdFusion for anyone wanting to do quick J2EE stuff. Taking into Account that ColdFusion might not be some developers' favourite choice (due to cost, it not really being Java, fear, penis envy, etc), I think it's important to understand its strengths.
:)
Using CF, you can develop quick & dirty web apps & webservices, talk directly to Java objects, and (starting in CF7) make your own EAR package and deploy it under any J2EE compliant server.
CF can run under most J2EE servers and as such supports advanced clustering, load balancing and the like.
Again, i know CF isn't for everyone, but I've found a real use for it at our shop. It's possible to deploy quickly, perform quick maintenance, etc.
NO, I do not work for Macromedia nor am I a fanboy. I'm just touting.
Gentlemen, start your flame engines.
I'd' normally agree with you on this one, but you have to ask yourself why Google would do it the Javascript way. Speed. No, this isn't a "Java is slow" troll. I see this Javascript clientside stuff as exciting, because we're using the clientside scripting strengths of the browser, which, even though they differ slightly from browser to browser, offer much in terms of execution speed.
Also, many people are used to the concept of a "web-application" by now (CSS, tables, fun JS stuff, whatever). Being able to extend this now familiar interface by making it look like what the user's used to (for example, a web-driven mail inbox) and add the facility to be able to change these familiar looking pages and make things appear and disappear and load and unload, etc etc etc all without a page reload or launching a VM is very enticing to many web developers.
One last note: Your point about Java is good. However, not all JVMs run EXACTLY as they should on all platforms. Today I had to upgrade my JVM because our corporate site needed something juuuuust slightly different. yuck.
After painstaking years of testing and research, Scientists have found the source of the problem with malfunctioning Firestone tires: THEY WEREN'T BUILT PROPERLY.
:)
Film at eleven.
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Seriously, this is verbatim's website. Awesome.
I was thinking: "How many bags of pork rinds do we have in the kitchen?"