A lot of transgender people are that way because of hormonal imbalances.
[Citation Required]
If it was actually that simple, we could easily detect it and treat it. And I think every single transsexual person would far prefer a life without their body and mind in conflict, no matter what gender they ended up.
Hmmm... I suddenly decide I'm a girl and apply. I get the scholarship. play for 4-years and then decide, after graduation, that I was wrong and I'm a boy after all. Nothing to prevent that.
Except for the bit about having to fool multiple doctors and psychologists that you actually have gender dysmorphia, as well as living as a woman for two-ish years before you apply. Also to actually play on the women's team you're going to have to be on hormone treatments for at least a year before you play.
Except the memo (and most laws) consider sex and gender to be the same thing.
If Trump was putting out a memo recognizing they were different you would have a point. He isn't. He's putting out a memo that considers sex and gender to be the same thing, and only recognizing sex.
Having body dysphoria is traumatic, and the fact that the left makes such light of it is almost as sickening
What, exactly, is making light of it?
The suicide rates of such people are high, and I imagine that actual bullying is less of an issue there than not feeling like your body is your own
And their suicide rate goes way down post-transition.....unless you start demanding they be treated as their birth sex.
Also, your pre-pubescent kid is probably not trans and we shouldn't hold a parade for them.
They may or they may not be. Which is why the normal treatment is to block puberty until they are older and able to figure it out for sure. In the meantime, you gender them as they want to be.
the complaints seem to be more from the female persuasion
That's largely because this "dispute" is being amped up for political purposes, and "they're going to hurt your women!!!!" is a tool for that effort.
It's also why the complaints are all about transgender women, and nobody horrified by transgender women in the women's room seem to realize they're asking for transgender men in the women's room. Making it far, far, far easier for the "perverts" to sneak in....said perverts wouldn't even need to cross dress.
Its not like anyone has more/less rights due to their gender.
Except they do. Not necessarily in the letter of the law, but in practice. Women and men are treated significantly different by society, and as long as we have that different treatment we're going to end up labeling genders.
Also, there really wasn't much of a debate about this until Republicans started using it to excite their base. People generally went along with what the science said.
still dont get why they cant just use the handicap washrooms, are handicap washrooms somehow considered shameful?
There generally are not separate handicapped washrooms. Just handicapped stalls inside Men/Women's washrooms. Separate single-person bathrooms are fairly rare.
Obama, without statute, redefined gender to be whatever someone claims it to be
Nope. To legally get anything other than "the big two", you had to go see a hell of a lot of doctors and psychologists. You couldn't just claim it.
Also, this is was all well within statute, since no law explicitly defined gender as something else.
Trump changed that back to an objective standard.
And one that is about as accurate as "there are only black cars and white cars". Objective is not necessarily accurate.
How can you have fairness in Title IX protections when it's not at all clear who they apply to
It's only "confusing" when someone pretends to be dumb for political purposes.
and I can claim that any random thing I don't like was discrimination because I identify as a unicorn and nobody can prove otherwise?
And here would be the pretending to be dumb for political purposes.
Everything in biology is gradients. Nothing is 100%. The best we can do is say that something causes something most of the time. For example, most of the time having a Y chromosome results in a male human. Sometimes, it doesn't. Their testosterone receptors may not work right, so they develop as a woman and only find out about their chromosomal issue when attempting to have their own kids.
Wanna go with external genitalia as your be-all criteria? Ok, there are people born with both. Or neither. Now what?
You want gender to be two simple boxes, and reality isn't that simple. Demanding those boxes anyway is the same as demanding the sun rise in the West - your demands won't change reality.
No, because it would also reduce money for the lawyers. There's only one pool of money at the end, and any amount you require to go to the victims is not available to go to the lawyers.
Maybe the solution is to require the municipalities to create the infrastructure of Layer2 but let independent isp's provide the layer3 on top of it, via tunneling, so that they lack the ability to do any sort of censoring, snooping, or data collection.
Given that there is documented illegal data collection from private ISPs, and those ISPs are now required by law to continue that data collection on behalf of the government, why on Earth do you think private corporations are any safeguard for your rights?
Think some privacy-centric ISP would appear? Guess what? They're subject to the same laws as Verizon and will be collecting data on you.
Ok, now look at the nearly-identical phrasing in a commercial ISP's contract. And remember that you can't take the commercial ISP to court for first amendment violations.
Actual outcome: Instantly demoted from a Stanford golden child, to a lifelong felon, having served a big chunk of actual jail time (six months in the slammer in the pink petticoat for a socially maladapted Stanford nerd is not small change), whose given name is now synonymous with "dumpster rape" on the Internet for all time, and is barely employable, anywhere, ever (except on false pretenses where he dishonestly conceals his sordid history) because the social media wrath of the Sorority Sisters against any "clean slate" employer who ever associates with this person for all time would be too vituperative to even contemplate. All this for an act committed as a socially mindless young male not yet brutally familiar with neither alcohol nor women.
And if he had been a regular guy instead of that "golden child", he would have gotten 3+ years in prison and everything you list.
Are we equal under the law or not? Because right here, you are arguing that we are not.
have no freaking clue about the brain-cramping rampage of peak TSB in a young man's late teenage years.
They want to express their extreme displeasure that Google decided to cover this up and pay out his golden parachute.
They would have preferred what would have been done to rank-and-file employees who were found to have done the same thing: Being fired for cause, which would not come with a $90M payday.
So it's about pressuring management to do better the next time this happens.
Protest is a TERRIBLE form of change, and never accomplishes much of anything.
You apparently have never spent much time in the vicinity of a history department. Every single civil right we currently enjoy came about due to protests.
Google isn't a court, so it can't convict anyone of anything.
The most they can do is find accusations "credible", which is the corporate equivalent of a conviction. But since it's not a trial, the most the company can do to someone is fire them.
Don't get me wrong if he did it hang him out to dry but unless proven it is still just an allegation he should be afforded any rights he previously had.
Where, exactly, did he lose any rights? You have no Constitutional right to a job at Google.
Nothing in this story has been proven. There's never been a lawsuit. Nothing has officially been revealed.
See the smoking crater that used to be known as Gawker? That's what happened. So now coverage has to be mealy-mouthed.
Including referring to someone as a "convicted " instead of just using the common name for that crime. That way the publication can claim it is just deferring to the courts.
So no, this is not a new creeping SJW witch hunt on totally innocent men. This is a shift in news coverage to add more butt-covering. If this was 10 years ago, "alleged" would not be so liberally used in the article.
but why on Earth [don't] at least a number of rape victims seek legal counsel, press charges and somehow act on the harassment in a provable manner
Let's take the example of Bill Cosby. Lots and lots of victims. Some did attempt to come forward before now. They were met with things like "No way! He's America's dad! You were just a slut and now are trying to cash in". Shockingly enough, there isn't a long line of women who want to line up to be abused again.
The thing to remember is this behavior is not new. It's been going on for a very, very long time. What's new is you are hearing about this behavior instead of the accuser being shoved aside.
Such contracts typically do not require a criminal conviction to fire someone for cause. And typically it's firing for cause that stops golden parachutes.
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A lot of transgender people are that way because of hormonal imbalances.
[Citation Required]
If it was actually that simple, we could easily detect it and treat it. And I think every single transsexual person would far prefer a life without their body and mind in conflict, no matter what gender they ended up.
Hmmm... I suddenly decide I'm a girl and apply. I get the scholarship. play for 4-years and then decide, after graduation, that I was wrong and I'm a boy after all. Nothing to prevent that.
Except for the bit about having to fool multiple doctors and psychologists that you actually have gender dysmorphia, as well as living as a woman for two-ish years before you apply. Also to actually play on the women's team you're going to have to be on hormone treatments for at least a year before you play.
It's not just "imma girl now, gimmie!!"
Except the memo (and most laws) consider sex and gender to be the same thing.
If Trump was putting out a memo recognizing they were different you would have a point. He isn't. He's putting out a memo that considers sex and gender to be the same thing, and only recognizing sex.
Having body dysphoria is traumatic, and the fact that the left makes such light of it is almost as sickening
What, exactly, is making light of it?
The suicide rates of such people are high, and I imagine that actual bullying is less of an issue there than not feeling like your body is your own
And their suicide rate goes way down post-transition.....unless you start demanding they be treated as their birth sex.
Also, your pre-pubescent kid is probably not trans and we shouldn't hold a parade for them.
They may or they may not be. Which is why the normal treatment is to block puberty until they are older and able to figure it out for sure. In the meantime, you gender them as they want to be.
the complaints seem to be more from the female persuasion
That's largely because this "dispute" is being amped up for political purposes, and "they're going to hurt your women!!!!" is a tool for that effort.
It's also why the complaints are all about transgender women, and nobody horrified by transgender women in the women's room seem to realize they're asking for transgender men in the women's room. Making it far, far, far easier for the "perverts" to sneak in....said perverts wouldn't even need to cross dress.
Considering men who claim to be something else are still as strong as men
Nope. Hormone treatments change that pretty quickly.
Its not like anyone has more/less rights due to their gender.
Except they do. Not necessarily in the letter of the law, but in practice. Women and men are treated significantly different by society, and as long as we have that different treatment we're going to end up labeling genders.
Also, there really wasn't much of a debate about this until Republicans started using it to excite their base. People generally went along with what the science said.
There are women who are XY. Things like immunity to testosterone causes them to develop as a woman.
Biology is much more complicated than you'd like. Everything is gradients. Nothing is 100%.
Sex is "what equipment you were born with" (we'll ignore intersex genitalia for now).
Gender is "what your brain thinks you are."
Most of the time, those line up. Sometimes, they don't.
including expecting straight men to be sexually attracted to him
Um....who's doing this? Because exactly no people are demanding anything about changing who you find sexually attractive.
Also note that it's only men who want to be treated as "women." I've never seen a woman demand access to the men's room
That's because transgender men are more difficult for you to spot. Hormones drop their voice and surgically removing breasts works well.
But they're there in the men's room at about the same rate as transgender women are in the women's room. There's even prosthetics for using a urinal.
still dont get why they cant just use the handicap washrooms, are handicap washrooms somehow considered shameful?
There generally are not separate handicapped washrooms. Just handicapped stalls inside Men/Women's washrooms. Separate single-person bathrooms are fairly rare.
Or you could just not care and let them do what their biology is demanding. It's not like you're being forced to change your gender.
Obama, without statute, redefined gender to be whatever someone claims it to be
Nope. To legally get anything other than "the big two", you had to go see a hell of a lot of doctors and psychologists. You couldn't just claim it.
Also, this is was all well within statute, since no law explicitly defined gender as something else.
Trump changed that back to an objective standard.
And one that is about as accurate as "there are only black cars and white cars". Objective is not necessarily accurate.
How can you have fairness in Title IX protections when it's not at all clear who they apply to
It's only "confusing" when someone pretends to be dumb for political purposes.
and I can claim that any random thing I don't like was discrimination because I identify as a unicorn and nobody can prove otherwise?
And here would be the pretending to be dumb for political purposes.
Everything in biology is gradients. Nothing is 100%. The best we can do is say that something causes something most of the time. For example, most of the time having a Y chromosome results in a male human. Sometimes, it doesn't. Their testosterone receptors may not work right, so they develop as a woman and only find out about their chromosomal issue when attempting to have their own kids.
Wanna go with external genitalia as your be-all criteria? Ok, there are people born with both. Or neither. Now what?
You want gender to be two simple boxes, and reality isn't that simple. Demanding those boxes anyway is the same as demanding the sun rise in the West - your demands won't change reality.
You're forgetting that the sun will expand in radius as it goes red giant. The Earth will be inside it....briefly.
No, because it would also reduce money for the lawyers. There's only one pool of money at the end, and any amount you require to go to the victims is not available to go to the lawyers.
There's one pool of money at the end. If you require $$ to go to the people in the class, it's not available to go to the lawyers.
Getting someone to stop engaging in illegal behavior is step one of setting things right
The reason there is a lawsuit to begin with is there is a dispute over whether or not the behavior is bad and/or illegal.
So yes, getting a particular behavior declared "bad" is a win.
Maybe the solution is to require the municipalities to create the infrastructure of Layer2 but let independent isp's provide the layer3 on top of it, via tunneling, so that they lack the ability to do any sort of censoring, snooping, or data collection.
Given that there is documented illegal data collection from private ISPs, and those ISPs are now required by law to continue that data collection on behalf of the government, why on Earth do you think private corporations are any safeguard for your rights?
Think some privacy-centric ISP would appear? Guess what? They're subject to the same laws as Verizon and will be collecting data on you.
Ok, now look at the nearly-identical phrasing in a commercial ISP's contract. And remember that you can't take the commercial ISP to court for first amendment violations.
Actual outcome: Instantly demoted from a Stanford golden child, to a lifelong felon, having served a big chunk of actual jail time (six months in the slammer in the pink petticoat for a socially maladapted Stanford nerd is not small change), whose given name is now synonymous with "dumpster rape" on the Internet for all time, and is barely employable, anywhere, ever (except on false pretenses where he dishonestly conceals his sordid history) because the social media wrath of the Sorority Sisters against any "clean slate" employer who ever associates with this person for all time would be too vituperative to even contemplate. All this for an act committed as a socially mindless young male not yet brutally familiar with neither alcohol nor women.
And if he had been a regular guy instead of that "golden child", he would have gotten 3+ years in prison and everything you list.
Are we equal under the law or not? Because right here, you are arguing that we are not.
have no freaking clue about the brain-cramping rampage of peak TSB in a young man's late teenage years.
Hey look! Incel bullshit. How surprising.
They want to express their extreme displeasure that Google decided to cover this up and pay out his golden parachute.
They would have preferred what would have been done to rank-and-file employees who were found to have done the same thing: Being fired for cause, which would not come with a $90M payday.
So it's about pressuring management to do better the next time this happens.
Protest is a TERRIBLE form of change, and never accomplishes much of anything.
You apparently have never spent much time in the vicinity of a history department. Every single civil right we currently enjoy came about due to protests.
I'm sorry, I seem to have missed the part where he was incarcerated for this. Could you point it out to me?
Oh wait...he wasn't.
Well, then perhaps you could point out the part where he was forced to pay restitution.
Oh wait...he wasn't.
Huh....it turns out this isn't a trial at all, and it also turns out there is no Constitutional right to a job at Google.
Google isn't a court, so it can't convict anyone of anything.
The most they can do is find accusations "credible", which is the corporate equivalent of a conviction. But since it's not a trial, the most the company can do to someone is fire them.
Don't get me wrong if he did it hang him out to dry but unless proven it is still just an allegation he should be afforded any rights he previously had.
Where, exactly, did he lose any rights? You have no Constitutional right to a job at Google.
Nothing in this story has been proven. There's never been a lawsuit. Nothing has officially been revealed.
See the smoking crater that used to be known as Gawker? That's what happened. So now coverage has to be mealy-mouthed.
Including referring to someone as a "convicted " instead of just using the common name for that crime. That way the publication can claim it is just deferring to the courts.
So no, this is not a new creeping SJW witch hunt on totally innocent men. This is a shift in news coverage to add more butt-covering. If this was 10 years ago, "alleged" would not be so liberally used in the article.
but why on Earth [don't] at least a number of rape victims seek legal counsel, press charges and somehow act on the harassment in a provable manner
Let's take the example of Bill Cosby. Lots and lots of victims. Some did attempt to come forward before now. They were met with things like "No way! He's America's dad! You were just a slut and now are trying to cash in". Shockingly enough, there isn't a long line of women who want to line up to be abused again.
The thing to remember is this behavior is not new. It's been going on for a very, very long time. What's new is you are hearing about this behavior instead of the accuser being shoved aside.
Such contracts typically do not require a criminal conviction to fire someone for cause. And typically it's firing for cause that stops golden parachutes.
It's not the same cloud as we mortals can reach by going to AWS or Azure.
It's to use their cloud platform to manage datacenters that are not on the regular Internet.